The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 4
 

Here we are again, happy as can be, all good friends and jolly good company … :D

So, you know the drill by now. Continue election-related discussion here, vote again in our fresh poll, and let’s see how the campaign is shaping voting intentions in the fictional constituency of Cable Forum Central.

For reference, weeks 1-3 polls are here:

Week 1: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33712705

Week 2: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33712720

Week 3: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33712736

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Labour and Plaid both published their manifestos today. Anyone got any thoughts about that … ?

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l thought The Labour manifesto was sober and safe which given they have a huge polling lead is not surprising.

After many years of terrible Conservative governance what voters don't want are political parties who have totally forgotten how to govern for the whole country rather then just governing for themselves and their own vested interests.

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On the Sky News leaders debate last night one member of the audience accused Keir Starmer of being like a robot. I have to say I quite like the idea of having some boring politicians for a while. We don’t need clowns, contrarians or cocksure banksters. Just a considered, steady hand. Please!

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Yeah l watched that last night and l echo the same sentiments as yourself as looking back at some political history many thought the same of Clement Attlee in many saw him as a very boring politician.

But given the very grave state this country was in after WW2 he did a pretty good job.

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A robot would be a vast improvement over what we've had for 14 years. People are too obsessed with personality, this isn't celebrity x factor come dancing on ice... Otherwise you end up with ******s like Boris.

Like any job, competency should be the main issue.

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Not often l agree with you Mr K.

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Cobblers, we always agree Den ;)

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The swivel eyed loons are now in 2nd :D

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3 weeks to go to the end of the worst ever government

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No way people get into the booth and vote in those numbers for them.

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You heard it here first … have a look how Reform has jumped in our own poll from the first fortnight up to the end of last week. :D

Pundits have been predicting there was bound to be a poll putting Ref ahead of Con sooner or later. The interesting question now is where that vote is likely to fall - is it evenly spread, or is it efficiently concentrated in winnable seats?

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I blame our ageing increasingly demented population. The Tories may regret running down mental healthcare. Whether they can make their way out of the home, with their id, to a polling station remains to be seen....

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Didn't know we in Wales were voting on the Senedd, 14 years of labour misrule :mad:just be careful what you wish for

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A certain David Cameron I believe held a similar position to yours a few years ago, and look where that ended

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Who sets the budget for Wales? Not Labour.

If I were Celtic, I'd kick the invading Anglo Saxons (aka English) out of the UK. Take your country back, its the in thing to do ;)

I'm OK, I have Welsh parents :)

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I'm wishing foremost for the Tories to be consigned to the history books. Anything else will be a bonus.

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I accept the point but electing your own MP against a range of choices available, about who governs you day to day, is different from a binary referendum.

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So who is the 1 person who clicked Conservative? Put your hand up now....

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Strictly speaking, it ended at the end of May when parliament was disolved. There are no MPs at this time.

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The Government and Ministers stay in place (and working) until the Election.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/...l/dissolution/

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Thank you mr smarty, again.

Dave was clearly referring to the Conservatives, and they have already gone, as have all MPs.

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Still up in the air for me.

Do I give Reform a free hit, but they're not a serious alternative. Even if they realise what they're polling at, will still only return one, maybe three at the very best, MP's.

The Tories are going to take a massive kicking anyway, Sunak will resign anyway. Do I vote for them, My MP may still win their seat. Either way, the Tories will have to spend the next five years re-finding their identity, hopefully maybe even a right wing Tory party may emerge from the wreckage.

They'll need to get their act together quick because Labour could well be there for the taking in five years. New Labour 2.0 they are not.

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24 years of Labour misrule, because even though they have done a deal with the Lib Dems and Plaid, they have always had the most seats.

They just let the Lib Dems and Plaid have some of their loony policies implemented as a sweetener for the deal. Plaid as always are untrustworthy, once they get their demands implemented they look for the first opportunity to break the agreement.

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I think the problem is less their identity and more their competence. If you look at what people care about it's not the party isn't right-wing enough, it's that their cost of living is up, their mortgage is up, NHS waiting lists are up and they can't find a dentist.

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I actually agree with Pierre that the Conservatives do need to rediscover an identity. As well as incompetence, there’s generally populist BS that has been a staple of the Johnson and post Johnson governments.

What principles does a Conservative Party stand for? In the last 5 years I’m not so sure. Other than plundering the state’s wealth with their cronyism.

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Dentists are easy to find ..... they're just all private now. :(

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Thankfully l have had the same dentist on the NHS for 22 years but sadly several of my familly who live up in Hampshire cannot get a dentist for love and money.

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I've had the same dentist for 33 years, but they dropped NHS work at the end of 2023. Its now private only.

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Me always me, I will never vote for KS party, and any vote other than Tory puts him in to no 10.

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Depends which constituency you're in. If you vote for a 3rd placed party you could help the party you least want. Cracking system isn't it?

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I too agree with Pierre and jfman that the Conservative Party needs to find its identity. It's trying to be all things to all people and this is not working out.

Is it pro-business, pro growth in which case it needs to relax planning laws and have closer ties with Europe and easier immigration? Or is it more populist and not pro-business at the expense of growth in which case it needs to do the reverse of the above?

Has it given up on its previous targeting of Metropolitan liberals with what were seen as progressive measures like gay marriage and moved instead to fight culture wars in areas such as gender identity?

Is it the Party that makes the case for law and order or is it the one that does not fund sufficient jail space so shoplifters go free and instead proposes cuts in NI contributions?

Is it the Party that encourages local devolved politics with regional mayors or is it the one that wants to impose central on policies it has ceased to like eg curtaling London's expanded Ulez area?

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Nigel Farage said last night that a vote for the Conservatives will put Sir Keir in Downing Street.

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:shocked: another lie, who'd have thought him, the man of the people capable

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People get what they vote for. Little sympathy for the Brexit mugs if they are taken in again by Nige. They obviously have very short attention spans. He's delivered nothing for anyone except himself.

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Why would a lefty, such as yourself, want to join a Bloc that voted well right of centre, some might even say “far right”, at the recent elections?

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Classic Farage, he is box office though. He gets so much screen time. I haven’t seen Ed Davey anywhere, on tv it’s wall to wall Farage.

If he does manage to get 1-3 MPs inclusive of himself, I think he’d still be more of an opposition that the Tories.

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He was getting more screen time even before he u-turned to become a candidate. The casual observer to Question Time could be forgiven for thinking he worked for the BBC. :D

I think the electoral system is stacked against smaller parties so he won't get any MPs. And he's not shown much appetite to campaign to reform the electoral system but appreciate one big campaign was a lifetime achievement, even if that campaign led to a smaller economy and larger unlawful immigration.

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The portends for the Tories are not looking good.

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The good news for the Conservatives here is they're far ahead of Reform UK.

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exactly he was falling into the tory lies everything is never there fault

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Who spends it , wasted millions upon millions on a by-pass around Newport that was scrapped. building Huge car park in the middle of nowhere for it . Putting green street drains which are now mudflats . NHS makes England's look good, accepting £200,000 from a company for leadership campaign, never mind that they broke the law. Ignored a vote of no confidence in leader . and don't forget buying an airport that no one uses(OK a few do) its a great loss leader for showing off what great judgements they can make :td:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...wsApp_AppShare long read try it , wol is well known labour supporter

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of course the tories never waste millions or billons do they seriously

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So with no coherent ( unsurprisingly ) answer to the comment introduce whataboutery.
Tories are assholes for sure when it comes to spaffing money.
Don’t expect the next government to be any different when they get power.

Both as bad as each other.

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There's no money. We owe a lot to banks. Neither party are being honest. They can't be honest about taxes as the electorate are equally shallow, and want something for nothing.
The last 14 years have seriously screwed the country plus that bloody stupid Brexit thing just to save Dave's bacon (which it didn't and has made us much poorer. Dave's ok though, so thats fine.).
However one small section of society , select Tories and chums have remained unaffected, and indeed profited.
It is time for change the corrupt party need ditching. But this is no 1997 and I'm won't be popping champagne corks this time or expecting miracles. If only Jesus was standing, he could turn water into wine allegedly. But I think he also exaggerated.They all let you down in the end.

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What does that have to do with his points ?

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I made this prediction last year but worryingly, it is now looking a lot more likely. There is a real danger in the Tories being wiped out which would destabilise the two party system our politics is predicated upon. It will then open the door to a very right wing UKIP/Reform/Tory party, headed by Farage which then becomes the de facto opposition, at least in voter numbers, if not seats.

The reason why this is a problem is that Labour will, in all probability, fail to sufficiently turn around the country in 5 years given their current tax & expenditure position plus the degree of damage done by Tories/Brexit/Austerity/etc. The reason why this is an issue is the country could then lurch to the right falling for the lies of Farage, just like in 2016. This paints an ugly future for the country :(

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Good question. Why do lefty remoaners want to go skiddaddling to the EU where politics are fast becoming Far Right? Our soon to be Labour "leaders" will be out of step won't they? Oh dear.

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I am a 'Remainer' although I don't want to revisit it but if we did I wouldn't base my decision on the current composition of the EU Parliament. That's as short-sighted and reductive as those who argue for Scottish Independence because the Conservatives are in power at Westminster.

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Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest national Westminster voting intention poll.


https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....-17-june-2024/

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Legislation doesn’t originate in the European Parliament, it originates in the Commission.

Westminster has far more power to decimate the lives of people and their communities up and down the UK than the European Parliament ever had.

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To be fair to the Scottish argument, the Conservatives have traditionally been in power in Westminster far more than Labour.

By my calculations, the Conservatives including the Lib Con alliance held power for 63 of the last 100 years and Labour 37 years of the last 100 years.

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Reform are offering and end to Net Zero………. I approve.

In fact, I would say that is the best policy from any of the parties.

They’re also green lighting more North Sea oil & gas, should go down well in Aberdeen.

All they need to do now is promise fracking.

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They can promise anything they like as they know they'll never have to deliver. Sums Nige up really.

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Got my official postal vote approval notification by email this morning. Paper forms go out next week AFAIK, so for the first time in my life I’ll be voting early in an election.

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Oh, the irony…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1718712711

https://vetting.com/en-gb/faq

Also…

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Scottish voters whose priority is to Get The Nat Out may wish to check the tactical voting guide here:

https://tacticalvotescotland.uk/

Thank you Chris for these threads mate,I like to vote in them all :)

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Eh..:confused::confused::confused: :shrug: :nutter:

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It’s a bit, how should we say, ‘watergatey’ but if there was any intelligence on foreign influence on Nigel Farage and Reform, now would be the time it would suddenly leak I would say

(Posted this originally in the Brexit thread, sorry about that!)

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Well worth a leak considering Banks lied about meeting Russians prior to the vote and the we only know of the meetings because of a leak, meetings with the ambassador at the time Alexander Yakovenko who boasted that they'd crushed the British into the ground,

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Not in the conventional sense of the word - 4% intend to vote Reform in Aberdeen South.
https://www.thisvotecounts.co.uk/con...aberdeen-south

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Not seen much before on Reform UK's likely wins so this is interesting. Would Farage continue as a GB News presenter if he became an MP?
https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...b-dem-12593360

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That’s a bit unfair - they’re polling higher in Aberdeen North…

https://www.thisvotecounts.co.uk/con...-north?tactic=

6%…

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There was a theory that this was why he was not previously standing as an MP until Piers Morgan baited him at Question Time and he u-turned.

Will be interesting to see if anything comes out in the Sunday papers. I suspect it won't.

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tbf, his family may not have lived above the shop…

(Excuse me, I have to go have a good scrub down with wire wool and Dettol, having just defended Sunak…)

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We got our postal voting form through the door this morning.

Filled it in so the TOH will be posting it tomorrow morning.

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Does anyone else think that Ed Davey is trying to copy Boris Johnson with his silly antics, thinking well, if it worked for him...

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I don't think copy him, thank goodness, but he's trying to get attention in a crowded market. Not convinced it's working but he's trying.

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I hope you didn't frown too much when placing the X next to Labour! :D

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The actual postal ballot forms don’t come out until next week, so no Xs anywhere yet. When it comes to it, the chance to unseat the Nat will more than compensate for any other discomfort. :D

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Postal ballot forms came out yesterday.

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Ours arrived today.

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A good expose on Keir Starmer from Channel 4 News last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLRN...l=Channel4News

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Do they reveal him as an idiot? After all, his father was a tool maker :)

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So was Farage's, but only metaphorically... ;)

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The Tories campaign director has to take a leave of absence whilst the gambling commission looks into bets he placed on the timing of the election

This is unbelievable, rotten and corrupt to the core, the party needs dismantling and quite a few need a spell in jail

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Just when one thinks it can't get worse for the government in this election campaign, it does.

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:D:D:D

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https://apple.news/ATWCBkJ5HS6qa_nhOJv13jQ

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