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The 100k threshold is a very arbitrary one. The threshold is very punitive when you just go over it so it is not really fit for purpose. It is part of the narrative that the only taxation that should be discussed is Income when so much is gained (by so few) through non-Income sources e.g. asset appreciation, dividends, etc.

Taxation of the ultra-wealthy is one of the things that Labour should consider to fund the required public sector investment but I suspect that, for now, they are too scared viz. not dropping the Ming vase.

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There was some chat on the BBC Electioncast podcast last week about the difference between Labour in 1997 and now. In 1997 Labour pledged to stick to Tory tax/spend plans for 2 years. In 2024 their position amounts to basically the same. The problem is in 1997 the economy was good, and improving. Now, it’s in the toilet. Not changing anything now risks everything still being in the toilet midway through their first term. But as you say, they don’t want to risk dropping the Ming vase.

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Not much change in the Cable Forum opinion polling as we go into the second week of the election campaign.;)

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I wonder if people will spoil their ballot paper, as far as I see it's better than not voting.

Mind you it did backfire on one voter.

He drew a phallic in the box of one of the candidates, they did consider it a spoilt ballot, but it was drawn inside the box, so gave it to that candidate.

Myself and my father will again do the postal vote.

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I'll vote for the only candidate that'll beat the SNP who have een an abject failure for Scotland. I wouldn't normally vote Lib Dem but needs must to get rid of the cancer that's the SNP

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Oddly enough when I moved house in 2022 I had to come to terms with the fact I’d have to vote Labour for the first time in my life, in order to get the Nat out. Little did I realise the clown car that is the present Tory government was already conspiring to be so utterly awful I would be actively wanting to see the back of them just 2 years later. I notice Jo Swinson’s not having another go in your neck of the woods though, which is a pity.

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Rushi - the gift that keeps on giving. Has there ever been a more gaff-filled election campaign before? Even BS’ing Boris couldn’t manage all this.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...paign=sharebar

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Former Conservative MP Mark Logan has said he is backing Labour at the next general election, saying the party could "bring back optimism into British life".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd11kvk1je4o

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Former Tory MP backs Labour at general election

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11kvk1je4o

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'Logan's Run'. What a great film :)

Deeply suspicious of these baddies who suddenly decide they're goodies when doomsday comes.

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Scotland In Union, a pro-UK campaigning organisation set up after the 2014 referendum to ensure there is always a baseline of co-ordinated public advocacy for Scotland’s place in the UK, has launched its 2024 tactical voting website. If your priority is to ‘get the Nat out’ then they can tell you who you should vote for in your constituency to have the best chance.

https://tacticalvotescotland.uk/

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ory-candidate/


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Julian Knight standing as an Independent in Solihull, and Aaron Bell not standing again in Newcastle-under-Lyme.

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That's a classic! You think someone in the media would be aware of what he had previously said.

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Saw something earlier where he was facing the wrong way to the crowd he was supposed to be addressing!

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Yes, although the instructions are to vote with a cross in pencil, in practice any clear indication of who a person is voting for as deemed by election staff is accepted as a vote.

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Come on be fair, Disney are backing Rishi...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1717165605

Mod Edit - image resized to fit page.

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The poll refers to Plains Cymru...is that a new Party then? :rolleyes:

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Yes, they’re a splinter faction, standing in the constituency of Autocorrect-gone-South :D

(Poll edited)

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Ta Kris :D

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Seems a bit "iffy"…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1717251102

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1717251102

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Well it makes a bit more sense if you actually post it in context ....

Twitter {x} link[ https://x.com/robertlargan/status/1796819961194627547 ]

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The large-scale MRP polling, published by Electoral Calculus and Find Out Now, predicted that the Conservatives will be reduced to just 66 seats, compared to Labour with 476. Wow

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l don't think its going to be that bad as l think it will be more like the 1997 election outcome.

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A Rishi Sunak moment in Richmond would be worth waiting up for :) Not impossible either.

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So he claims....

The alternative view is he is trying to mislead people into think he is Labour's candidate.

The Electoral Commission will look into this. Very dodgy.

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And the Derbyshire police.

Largan has form on this sort of behaviour - from last year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66742672

https://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/n...oto-id-4144515

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Some dates to avoid UK TV :sleep:

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Spain v Italy an easy pick as an alternative to the middle one.

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Farage posted this on Twitter this morning

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The Tory grandees have offered him a place in the Lords if he pulls Reform from the GE?

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Apparently he's flip-flopped and plans to stand in Clacton.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ce14b533&ei=10

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https://jlpartners.co.uk/polling-results

In the latest poll of GBNews viewers, the majority (42%) would vote Labour…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1717422531

16% would vote Reform, 23% Conservative…

If you scroll down the tables in the link, there are questions on how people are viewed by the GBNews viewers polled - some interesting figures…

Viewed favourably/unfavourably

Keir Starmer 49/46
Rishi Sunak 40/56
Nigel Farage 46/46
Boris Johnson 41/55

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So Nige has decided he’s the leader of Reform UK and he’s standing in Clacton. Makes things a bit more interesting I guess. He has to have a better chance this time than at any other. I wonder whether the Donald’s woes in America have helped persuade him to stay here. :rofl:

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The trouble is if you don't want KS to be PM then any vote other than Tory puts KS into No 10 and back into the EU in some form

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Is that a bad thing? Brexit hasn't really made anything better. It was either based on lies or el gov just never had the balls to change things for the better. Should there be another referendum? How do you think that'll go?

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1717430292

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Eighth time lucky…

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The other thing is that after Farage said he wouldn't stand the Tories based their campaign on winning back the core vote from them. Not only has that not worked but now Farage is going after them, and some of those currently voting Tory, too.

The Tories intentionality alienated voters under 65. What do they do now? They're running the worst possible campaign for where they may get some votes not already going to Reform.

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Abolish inheritance tax
Poorhouses
The mill - employment opportunities coming to your town soon
National service to include chimney sweeping.

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I’ve been playing darts down my local on and off for about 18 years. I’m crap at it. We’ve had tournaments where I’ve had to stand in for people who couldn’t make it on the day. This has happened 8 times.

Each time I played I was crap and we went out at the first round at each tournament.

I wonder if Farage could learn something from this.

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I dunno Russ, what can one of the most influential politicians of our time learn from the fact that despite years of practice you are still crap at darts and you bottle it on the big occasions? :D

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Oh no, I bottle it on every occasion. Just like Farage…

Just the thought of having something in common with him makes me want to scrub my skin with bleach

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Brexit has made things better for small boat people as we can't return them back to France.

Most people know we were sold a dud but no one's in the mood for another divisive referendum at the moment.

I don't see Starmer taking us back into Europe but there's obvious things we can do to reduce Brexit red tape and increase exports which I believe he will look at.

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He does love himself a lot, how many political parties has he been in? Cons, UKIP, Brexit Reform i might have missed one.....
Why not change the name of the Party to 'Nigel' too. Hopefully the more decent people of Clacton will tactically vote against him. Always worked before.

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It did seem a reaction to the lady who asked him about why he wasn't standing on Question Time and the goading he got from Piers Morgan. (from 14:47 here).

But it might be more strategic - if he wins he will be on the Opposition benches and is perhaps dreaming of orchestrating a merger with the Conservative Party and becoming its next leader.

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According to this site, Labour is tipped to win Clacton. It will be interesting to see if there's sufficient protest votes out there to elect Farage.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...y?seat=Clacton

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What on earth makes anyone think the EU would let us back. If the UK did it would HAVE to adopt the euro .don't see that being that popular. Really think that such a move is a pipedream for at least my life time.

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Aren't UKIP brexit and reform the same parties with different names :erm:

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Nope…

https://www.ukip.org/

https://www.reformparty.uk/

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It's a pipedream for at least 15 years. But we could probably find a way not to adopt the Euro.

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Same horse different jockey. :cool:

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Different horses, same jockey…

Farage left UKIP late 2018.

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You might be surprised to learn that *if* we were ever to rejoin, I’d argue that we must adopt the Euro. A bit like the Scottish devolution referendum of 1997, which recognised the possibility of a Scottish parliament with or without ‘tax varying powers’ (it was a two-part question), most voters who believed there should be a Scottish parliament also believed that if there was one, it was logical for it to have some level of financial authority for it to be credible. Likewise, we would have to decide whether we were going to try to go back to something like the membership we had before, or if we were going to see if we could have more success with a different sort of engagement with the institution, namely full commitment to the acquis, the currency and the principle of ‘ever closer union’.

As you say however, it isn’t going to become an issue at any point in this election campaign or the next, if Labour gets anything like the majority it is presently heading for. The campaign for a third term might however be a bit more lively and I wouldn’t be surprised if EU membership was a campaign issue by then.

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I think it would happen with slower reintegration with parts of the single market until we're in a customs union-type scenario.

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So what you're saying is that Brexit was a mistake, that has caused this country immense everlasting damage, and that those that voted for it must take some responsibility?

However it can't be admitted to being a mistake, by any of the main parties, for fear of pointing out to the electorate what idiots they've been ? (never a vote winner)

Just reading between the lines a little ;)

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:)I'm not surprised. :)

I would predict that any remaining (;)) Brexiteers in 15 years' time would be keen to make rejoining the EU seem as far from where we are at the moment as possible by arguing for everything except the kitchen sink to be thrown in! So think an EU army, Shengen and adopting the Euro to be presented as inevitable consequences of rejoining.

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Actually, I’m not offering it as a strategy to ensure we stay out. There’s no need, because we are staying out for the foreseeable future. With that being the case there’s space to speculate freely. I think we have to be either fully in or fully out. I’d have thought you would acknowledge that the UK’s semi-detached status within the EU helped create the space in which Euroscepticism could dwell and grow for many years prior to the Brexit referendum being called and, especially with regards the currency, made it even possible for us to leave.

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Not to play darts ? :angel:

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Actually, I dont think as many as you think will care too much.

I imagine many people already spend Euro's every year with trips and/or holidays.
I have them in my wallet right now, from my last holiday, ready to spend later this year.

The euro works pretty much the same - 100 cents/pence makes 1 Euro/Pound, so not hard to understand.

Of course, we'd all need new keyboards, with a Euro symbol on Shift+3 :D

My fear would be how much people would use it as a 'rip off' excuse to hide price rises by converting at inflated rates. Something that happened (I believe) the last time we changed currency in 1971. I have no desire to be back in the EU, but conversion to Euros would not be a stopper (and never was).


I also found out today that one British Territory actually uses the Euro as its currency (Akrotiri and Dhekelia).

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Back then everything was rounded up to the nearest half new penny or penny, very annoying when I was trying to buy my weekly supply of mojos.
I agree there would probably be a straight swap price wise for "simplicity", pounds prices would become euros prices but at least you'd save on currency conversion charges when going abroad.

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Yes always round up not down, I'd imagine there were corner shop half penny millionaires of the back of that and this time round the only difference would be instead of mojos it'd be mojitos :)

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I don't see things as such a black and white choice. Eurosceptisism in 2016 was more driven on the back of large scale immigration and communities suffering from post-recession austerity.

The Euro's proven to be a robust currency that has weathered economic storms successfully and is not the weak currency that Eurosceptics used to pretend it was but I can see the benefits of having our own currency. Would it make it harder to leave if we had the Euro? Probably but I see rejoining as inevitable as Brexit is proving damaging to the UK in many ways, but as I said, certainly not within the next 15 years.

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Certainly a bit of price inflation when Croatia joined the Euro. But I don't think it's a one to one at the moment - the Pound is worth about 15% more than the Euro so a Euro's only worth about 87p. So Poundland would have to become Euro-15 cents-land. Although a lot of their stuff is no longer £1 anyway! :D

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:D Absolutely. Black Jack inflation was an early lesson in how things are.

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Any idea where the die hard CF Tory supporters have gone? Seems very one-sided here

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OB’s still out there howling at the moon about the all streaming future if only, ironically, the Government would intervene to make it so.

Slightly worried (sincerely) about Seph tho he’s not been online since 13 April.

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Have you heard of shy Tory voters.;)

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I voted Conservative last week, and would have done so this week before the news yesterday.

This week I have changed to Reform, as I believe they will now get more votes than the Conservatives in my area. We will never get rid of the Labour MP, as my area has voted in Labour MPs and Labour councils for over a hundred years. There's a cycle, vote them in, spend the next 4 years complaining about them and then vote them in again.

As long as Reform gets more votes in my area than the nasty Plaid Cymru party I'll be happy.

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You will have a chance to reflect your change of heart in next week’s poll thread, coming to a forum near you this Thursday …

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Off to see Geoff Norcott tonight - be interesting to hear his views on what’s happening during this election time.

(he’s a right-leaning comedian)

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I cast my vote today, so it reflects my change of heart yesterday.

I do wonder though about the value of polls (Not knocking this one), as all I hear in my area from people I know, and hearing random conversations are people saying they won't be voting for Labour. But I have heard that for local and general elections in this area for as long as I remember!

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I think they're understandably bored shitless.

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Too depressed to get out of bed let alone post on here! ;)

But, like jfman, I am a little concerned by Seph's absence.

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I'm more worried about Papa Smurf, not seen since he vowed to vote Labour a year ago.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...3&postcount=41
Hope he's ok.

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Probably still attending a candle lit vigil for the Vulcan

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Seph, Old Boy and others deserve their thoughtful and intelligent contributions to be debated. Opposing opinions enrich discussion. There's only so much negativity a person can put up with.

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Thought that in bed last night !

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No one's saying their contributions should not be debated. We're discussing their non-participation with particular regard to some names who have been absent for longer than is usual.

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I can read. Oh, forget it. :dozey:

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Yes you are so right you could put up a donkey , a crook , or con artist.
Stick a labour badge on them and the people that spent four years moaning about them will vote them in again. Complaining about what was in local manifesto and then activated ,yet come next election will vote them in again. Becareful what you wish for:cool:

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Unfortunately our long standing Tory MP Tim Loughton, who I voted for, is standing down as MP. He seems to have kept his nose clean and done good for the constituents.

I may sit on my hands this time.

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Not very often I agree with Torygraph columnists, but this one's bang on.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnis...g-for-clacton/

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Tory press knocking the one guy that could unseat them there
, what a surprise :shocked:

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While I welcome Nigel’s undoubted assistance in crushing the Conservative party into the ground so much you could hand it’s corpse over to Thatcher herself, I dunno how much I care for 5 years of hearing about immigration while vulture capitalists asset strip the entire country.

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Andrew Neil's SCATHING predictions for the general election

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Not exactly a groundbreaking prediction is it? The bookies are giving odds 1/20 of Sir K being the next PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics

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My thoughts exactly Andrew.

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I also wonder if this was purposely done this way to catch the Tories off guard.

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It was done as he's a 'populist', who knows he'll never be in power and have to deliver anything. He can just say popular soundbites, to promote his goodself. The gullible, short of memory, reality TV mugs will fall for it.
Hopefully there's not enough of those, but they voted for liar Boris and Brexit, so who can say? We really do need to improve education in this country.

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Well that debate was terrible. If I hear 'We have a plan' one more time... :mad:

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I dont miss the blue text he always used, its harder to read (and quote).
He went off sulking after being told to stop acting like a child all the time.
(claiming everything/everyone was "nasty" when people disagreed with him).

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Who had a plan ?

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Sunak, trouble is he never says what the plan is other than if we don't stick with the plan we'll go back to square one with labour, trouble for titchy is square one sounds just fine to most of us

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If his plans are anything like the nonsense of the last week, its probably better if he says nothing. Hes lost anyway, so any plans are irrelevant.

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These American style TV debates are stupid. They're too frustrating. Even more so with the 45 seconds to answer format that just doesn't work. You can't base anything on them and they're just too chaotic, it's all about point scoring against each other and nothing else. No one really wins. You have to wait for everything to be fact checked but they end up with everyone wanting to vote for 'none of the above'.

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Pointless except for viewing figures, which I guess is why the have such farces on. Describe a complicated policy in 20 seconds whilst being interrupted by an opponent with a non-fact-checked allegation. Washed down with a question that sidelines Scotland in the Euros for good measure.

Better an in-depth grilling of the leaders individually with strong follow-up questions.

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Pretty much the argument for not doing these TV debates at all, that held sway for many years. They face off weekly at PMQs. Facing off in a TV studio doesn’t add anything, especially when you encourage interruptions by leaving the politicians standing, miked up, at their podiums when it’s not their turn to speak (which doesn’t happen in the Commons, they have to sit down and the broadcasters are not allowed to whack the gain up to catch any of the barracking they might do).

Next week will be worse because it is the left of UK politics that’s most fractured, so in a 7-way debate the voices are overwhelmingly stacked to one side. You don’t have to be a fan of Sunak or this present Tory government to appreciate that’s just a recipe for a pile-on, not a fair or illuminating debate.

An intense one-on-one at the hands of Andrew Neil or similar is what we need.

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What a rambling bore. Take up gardening or knitting Andrew, please.

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Perhaps he could start up a News Channel?

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From the Spectator, that well-known tree-hugging Guardianista left-leaning woke magazine.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...per-household/

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Rishi Sunak said he he would lead a government of “integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level”.

l rest my case!!!!

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There is an interesting discussion that Starmer only contested this lie late on in the debate and so looked potentially weak. However, some (online KC's) point out that this was deliberate to allow the "defendant" to repeat, over and over again, the lie i.e. to let Sunak hang himself. Nice if true ... :)

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Unlikely to be true, given how long he allowed the Diane Abbot nonsense to go on before making a slightly less than equivocal statement about it. There is a pattern here and it’s not good.

For whatever reason he seems to have a problem with speaking quickly and clearly. His instincts are to stop, chew things over, and then form carefully worded sentences. He is going to be PM, no doubt about that, so he is going to have to learn PDQ that sometimes you need to stand up and speak clearly and forcefully. You don’t always get to chew it over for a week. He might as well learn that now, rather than the next time we face a national disaster.

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I'm with Chris on this one. Unlike Trump, Sunak's not going on trial for presenting false numbers. ;)

There was no advantage for Starmer in letting him repeat the £2k figure unchallenged, so many times. A viewer who didn't watch to the end could have concluded that Starmer accepted the figure as he didn't challenge it.

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That's why he deserves your vote! He's not done it so far, so he needs another chance to do so! :D

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He did the same in Rochdale. It was clear to everyone that the candidate needed to be dropped; instead, it took two days. It's probably his biggest weakness but thankfully for him, it's not an especially easy one for the Tories to attack. Indecisive would cut though as a term for him I think.

The debate I don't think is the same thing. It's a piece of theatre that doesn't represent the job. In PMQs, he isn't as bad. He also did pick up on it but wasn't forceful enough to press it when the moderator cut him off. He took the tact of not interrupting her to forcefully hit back.

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I'm coming round to the idea that the £2k tax hit statement is this elections equivalent of the £350k a week on the Brexit bus. Both are made up figures but end up successfully putting the opponent on the back foot.