More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

I was astonished to learn that 1 in 8 people have a brain injury and that this rises to 1 in 2 for victims of domestic violence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vcd8

The effects of a brain injury vary enormously with some people experiencing cognitive thinking and expression issues, some starting to have epilepsy, some no longer being able to control their emotions and some people go on to develop a different personality altogether!

If you come across someone who has had a brain injury, please try and be kind & understanding. There's a wealth of information out there to find support and education about the subject.

#Hidden disabilities

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Is it hidden if they talk about it all the time?

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Some people are extremely embarrassed about it so choose not to mention it, whilst others find it helpful for others to understand what's going on.

I don't know of anybody who talks about it all the time, just when it's relevant or helpful to.

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Yeah because it is not apparent from just looking at them.

Talking about issues with people you know or on a forum is one thing but unless you wear a banner saying "I have a brain injury" strangers will have no idea.

I know you were just poking at Richard but I have a brain injury so I take umbridge at your comment

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I know someone with a brain injury, and I'm polite and courteous towards this person. Just like I would be to anyone who doesn't have a brain injury.

Now this person isn't my friend and never will be, due to his injury no one can ever be. As this person will not know or remember who I am a couple of hours after I've spoken to this person. Quite an eye opener and very sad.

If it is one in eight, then for some as you say it is hidden, probably means I wouldn't notice so therefore unless I was told I'd treat whoever as I would normally.

I have multiple invisible illnesses. In real life I strive to make sure it stays that way to those that doesn't matter to me. Not because I'm embarrassed, but because it's no one else's concern and I don't want to be treated any differently. But to those that do know me in real life, they have to make allowances for me as I or anyone would expect. But most importantly sometimes the allowances can mean make or break for some people (friends & those close to me) that is something I have accepted. That's life.

If a person with a brain injury posts something on a forum then can't handle the response, then who's problem is it?

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This is a very sensitive subject to me as I am currently dealing with someone who has epilepsy and also most likely a brain injury.

They can be perfectly fine one moment but then be completely different the next, often believing things that are not true or that never happened.

Mental health is a very tricky subject to deal with and it can cause huge problems for not only the person affected but those around them too.

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Sadly, everyone has a limit.

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Can I ask where the "1 in 8" figure came from, please?

I can find links to 1 in 8 children (aged 5 - 19) have had mental health issues, but nothing for "1 in 8 people have had a brain injury".

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The link goes to those that are victims of domestic abuse. 3m.15sec in on his link. Not the general public by the sounds of it.

https://brainkind.org/news/too-many-to-count-report/

Brain injury such as concussion etc I suspect.

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It does say 1 in 2 domestic abuse survivors compared with 1 in 8 of the general UK population.

Personally I have two. Does that count double? (Both from ice-related falls incidentally. Go careful out there)

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Maybe Richard should have put 'have had' rather than just 'have'. That does change everything.

spiderplant, maybe you should learn how to waddle like a penguin. :erm:

https://www.nhsggc.scot/walk-like-a-...ing-cold-snap/
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...icy-conditions


I just can't imagine people doing that but would be funny to watch. But falling on ice and hitting your head is no laughing matter, I've done it myself.

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By being open about it it allows other people to make allowances for things like mood swings or not understanding things that others find easy to follow.

Of course, an individual is free to keep it private, but then they have to accept the risk that others might think they are being deliberately obtuse or being sensitive/emotional for no good reason.

This applies to both online & offline.

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Whilst not caused by a brain injury in tje conventional sense, dementia affects people in different ways too.

I was in the company of a woman recently who kept shouting, swearing & being aggressive.

Apparently, dementia had affected the part of her brain that deals with reasoning & self control, so in order to communicate her brain was using the part where bad language, aggressive emotion is processed. You never know why someone is behaving in the way that they are so it's a lesson to us all to be tolerant and kind instead of assuming that they are just rude and unpleasant people.

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Whilst not caused by a brain injury in tje conventional sense, dementia affects people in different ways too.

I was in the company of a woman recently who kept shouting, swearing & being aggressive.

Apparently, dementia had affected the part of her brain that deals with reasoning & self control, so in order to communicate her brain was using the part where bad language, aggressive emotion etc are processed. You never know why someone is behaving in the way that they are so it's a lesson to us all to be tolerant and kind instead of assuming that they are just rude and unpleasant people.

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Well there's a difference with being polite and courteous to being tolerant and realistic.

The truth is that if I met you and you kept saying you have a brain injury and continuously say things that annoy me, then realistically I would be polite but I would just avoid you and if that doesn't work I'd tell you straight. It might take a while but that's being realistic to the level my tolerance.

That also applies to both online and offline.

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You would have to ensure that you're reactions didn't fall foul of the Equality Act.

There should only be the need for the other party to mention that they have a disability that affects them once. If their behaviour towards them warranted it or it was clear that their disability wasn't being taken into account, further reminders may have to be made.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

Oooooffff :D:D

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You've lost me now. It's responses like that that doesn't do you any favors, it can also make you a liability. But I'm sure you will not accept that.

Everyone here knows about your brain injury, but if you're not a nice person then you're not a nice person. For all I know you might not have been a nice person before your brain injury. Having a disability isn't a get out of jail free card when things don't go your way. But it seems you hide it behind it and use it as a tool. You need to take some responsibility for your own actions and also give allowances to others but obviously you don't and won't.

Anyway, I think we're off topic, it's just another thread for you to reinstate your own problems and agendas.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

So what part of the Equality Act has anything to do with how one would react to someone with a brain injury?

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I simply responded to your post, but unfortunately it hasn't taken long for you to turn a reasonable discussion into a personal attack.

The vast majority of members do not know about the brain injuries of others on the forum.

So, do you think that the lady I mentioned who was shouting & swearing was using her dementia as a 'get out of jail card' and should take responsibility for her actions or that I should do the same regarding my cognitive issues? How about someone who develops epilepsy?

If you are saying that your own injury affects how you interact, think etc then if you clearly state this then of course I will take this into account.

Finally, this thread is not about me, but about the prevelance of brain injury survivors in existence today so yes, let's get back on topic.

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The law requires disabled people covered under the Equality Act to be trrated with kindness and respect, not to treat them less favourably than others, taunt them, mock them, make upsetting remarks or harrass them in any way.

A lot of it is common sense really and down to what decent people would do. For example, if you had a class and one member had a brain injury, you wouldn't allow another member of the class to bully, mock or continually harass them in everything they did for their own pleasure or entertainment.

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It wasn't a personal attack and had I no intent, just stating a fact. Not my problem if you don't like what you hear.

You've made a rod for your own back and you have to live with that in your own way.

As for the rest. All just noise as it doesn't mean anything to me. You're impossible to converse with so therefore on that basis I'm out.

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Assuming peanut is neither an employer, a public authority and isn't a service provider as defined in the Act - what parts are they actually bound by?

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:rofl:

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100% I understand the challenges - a family member has been diagnosed with dementia and wishes to keep it from friends and wider family. It’s not good.

You were correct in your assessment of my initial comment.

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What has the equality act got to do with people posting on a forum or chatting in the street etc?

They aren't an employer or business or public sector. Also people want just shout about the act because they don't like what they here. If you annoy someone or act like a fool then that's not anything to do with a disability.

I have a number of health conditions that would enable me to be classed as disabled. However aside from claiming ADP and getting aids and tools when at work to help me I would never shout about them or claim discrimination because someone responded to me in a manner I didn't like.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

Are you discriminating against people with memory issues (possibly due to a brain injury). :nono:

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No, if the person let it be known that they had such a problem then I would take this into consideration.

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It's sometimes possible to get hold of the wrong end of the stick when communicating in written form. It's also possible that brain injuries contribute to this due to cognitive issues, it's not clear if you are affected in this way, so I agree that it's best if we leave it there.

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No I do not have a brain injury of any kind. As for 'consideration' what does that even mean? Does it mean I've taken your injury into consideration but you're still not a nice person? Does that mean I still have to make allowances for you? No I don't. You need to be a lot clearer.

We're still waiting on a response for your threat of using the equality act if we treat you differently.

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There was no threat, this was advice for you to take into account anti discrimination laws when speaking to a disabled person. You are free to ignore it, but you run the risk of police action.

You keep stating things about 'Not very nice' people. This is a very immature outlook, but if you feel this way it's probably best to avoid people you feel this way about, particularly if they are in a protected group. The defence of 'I don't think that they're a nice person' (particularly where their behaviour is a result of a disability) would only serve to help the prosecution.

Not liking someone or forming the view that they are 'not a very nice person' doesn't give anybody the right to treat people badly and could be against the law.

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I'm not talking about 'people' as I'm talking directly to you.

Have I mocked you? Been untruthful? Have I treated you badly? As for the rest... I rest my case.

If you want to call the police because I called you unpleasant, go ahead.

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This is not based on fact - there has to be verbal abuse for it even to be considered to be against the law, and disagreeing with someone isn’t verbal abuse.

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:shocked:You are correct in saying that the Equality Act is intended to deal with companies etc.

If an individual is causing problems it would be dealt with by the police as a hate crime.

You are incorrect with your comment 'If someone annoys you or acts like a fool it's nothing to do with disability.

If someone annoys you because they are walking slow due to having a new prosthetic leg fitted, that is related to disability. If someone, like the woman I met recently, shouts & swears in public due to dementia, is she acting like a fool according to you?

If innapropriate comments (or actions) were made to either of the above examples or to someone whose thinking skills & ability to express themselves are affected by disability (be it a brain injury, dementia or anything else) then one of my facilitators has outlined the behaviour expected:

It is disability discrimination if someone is harassing you because of your disability. You can take action about this.

Someone is harassing you if you find their behaviour towards you offensive, frightening, degrading, humiliating or in any way distressing. Examples of harassment could involve nicknames, teasing, name-calling, pulling faces, jokes, pranks or any other behaviour which you find upsetting because of your disability. Even if this behaviour is not deliberately meant to hurt you, it may still count as discrimination if you find it upsetting.

This would be logged and treated as a hate crime.

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See my reply to Stephen, though of course you are correct if verbal abuse takes place.

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Can you please state exactly what you mean by the comment that I have 'created a rod for my own back'?

I don't understand what you mean.

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Thank you for making this clear.

Can you please state why you are calling me 'unpleasant' as this has upset me.

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I'm sorry if you feel upset, it wasn't my intention to upset nor was it to provoke you either.

Just accept that there's no malice towards you on my part.

I think I better not respond or go further as you could falsely imply or use it against me in some way. (Then where would it end)?

I hope that helps you.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

Or some people easily upset or offended by anything could just grow a thicker skin and just brush it off. Not everything said is a hate crime or discrimination.

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Agreed!There comes a time when you have to realise that you cannot legislate for every human vice,emotion etc,etc. Perhaps if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.If you can't interact with people without shouting foul at every comment you don't agree with as a means of winning every argument then discussion becomes meaningless.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

It is for some and then they wonder why they're called unpleasant :shrug:

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The law is clear in that if someone gets upset by your comments, then they must stop. It matters not if they were genuinely not meant to be offensive.

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I don't know anyone who does that, I certainly don't.

I hope that you're not suggesting that people in the protected groups should withdraw from society unless they allow people to make innapropriate remarks about/to them.

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I refer you to my responses to Stephen.& Maggy.

To clarify, are you saying that you believe that I am 'unpleasant'? If so, please state your reasons why you are being so insulting

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

:doh: :eeek: :tiptoe:

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You need to be more clear about what that means. Neuro diverse people don't understand hints, riddles etc.

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Maybe you're waiting for a response in black and white so you can take some kind of legal action. I certainly don't trust you. And you're not going to get that kind of response from me.

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protected, like Pandas and such :D I'm suggesting that people don't take everything as an insult or discriminatory remark. It's sometimes just banter and some people take thing too seriously.

Though as you mentioned earlier about people advising other of brain injuries etc that just not always possible especially with dementia as in all likely hood they won't actually be aware or remember that. I've known many families members having had it and they certainly couldn't tell anyone. None of them were shouting or aggressive. However my mum in her early stages would always pass remarks and comments about people when out. I never got embarrassed or felt I had to apologise orinform them that she was unwell. It is what it is.

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The only thing I'll clarify for you is a long while ago you asked me to put you on ignore and in that time you've replied to my posts repeatedly without response, I'm not interested in interacting with you in anyway, answering your inane questions, clarifying anything for you or to put it more succinctly having anything to do with you full stop and if you infer from that it's because I find you deeply unpleasant then that's your lookout

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

I wonder how many versions of this thread we've had over the years? They seem to keep popping up with depressing regularity.

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Always seems to be the same author as well.

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I can't say I'd noticed ;)

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The reasons why I need a clear response were clearly explained to you. I suspect that you are now deliberately trying to confuse me and are being deliberately unhelpful.

You keep saying you'll stop responding to my posts, yet continue to do so. Why is that?

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You are correct about those with dementia, but the fact that there is
something wrong soon becomes apparent. Not all people with dementia shout/swear as it depends upon the type/severity etc.

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Attention from you, direct or indirect, is not welcome as it upsets me.

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Let's have a list then.

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Getting back on topic and away from individuals, I can't understand why I was so surprised to learn that 1 in 12 were affected by a brain injury.

When you think about it people get into physical fights, have car accidents, trip and fall, fall down stairs etc, so it's no wonder that it's so high.

Of course, people can also get a brain injury from things such as a lack of oxygen

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And I've made myself clear too. For all I know, as I said in my post is that you want something in black and white to make a claim. That's what you do isn't it? Isn't that why you continuously state laws etcs as in threats. Now see why people consider you as a liability and unpleasant as well as for other reasons stated.

So for my last time, understand that multiple people here have stated that you're unpleasant so please accept and let that sink in. Ask your facilitator if you don't understand. Then maybe you can change your ways to be more acceptable. Win win don't you think....

Please don't quote anymore from here on in as I really don't give a .....

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It seems that you having nothing to contribute to the subject under discussion other than nonsense and repeated personal insults that are upsetting. Please desist.

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You keep quoting so I'll keep posting. You couldn't dispute what I said. Says it all doesn't it.

Get a life you joke.

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I have asked you to leave me alone, yet you continue. Any more of these insults and I will make a complaint about you.

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Go for it. I asked you to stop quoting me. I hope they close this thread down as it's pointless.

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

Some good news regarding Alzheimers Disease:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...rs-experts-say

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In the space of about 3 posts you have moaned about two members replying.
This is a forum, anyone can reply to anyone, if you dont like that, this is the wrong place for you.

No its not, and no, its not being closed.

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Source ?

Or, are you just being an odious little twonk again & showcasing your complete lack of knowledge on the subject yet still trying to twist to suit your own agenda.

There are, I suspect many people (myself included) who have what could be classed as a hidden disability, but people generally don’t need to bang on about it over and over and over and over again. We just get on with life I don’t expect people to make allowances for me and I’m not going to take offence if someone whom I’ve never met nor am I likely to meet says something knowingly or unknowingly about it.

You need a waaaambulance

Re: More people with brain injuries than I thought.
 

Presumably Richard can point to the sections of the relevant laws and prosecutions of individuals or companies that have caused mere “offence” to a single individual?

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Guys, you're upsetting him :erm:

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Have anyone seen second part of this week's silent witness, didn't think BBC would let the " prof" make such a lecture. Not disagreeing with it mine you

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Why not? They generally are quite balanced. Leave it to the viewers to decide if he's talking from his backside or not.

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Sorry just expressing my thought, it's down to perception I guess , and I havent agreed more with what was presented since I read the comments on drug use by the actor from csi , sorry don't re call whom it was , but it was about people being attacked with needles forcing them etc . Head down for flack :shocked:

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Fair comment

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As I don't watch silent witness on BBC would you care to expand on what it has to do with this tread and the point you wish to make?

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From what I can glean from it, it's about herd mentality, social media, the easily offended and being triggered. It's a good speech I must admit, one I do agree with. But it ends with a couple of young women saying 'What a load of crap'. (Obviously stated there that helps to be impartial due to being the BBC perhaps).

So who's being 'triggered' and who's 'offended' here? Do I class people here in the same light as the 'social media' type of groups? No but that's just my opinion. So pretty much it really.

The speech is here https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...culture-part-2

1min41 to 3m40secs.

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Thanks peanut.

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well that’s just factually incorrect, as well as juvenile.

That’s not an insult but an observation.

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Some marvellous news for those who will develop Alzheimers as they age:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct5hvs

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For anyone who wants to read an article rather than listen to a pod cast about the possibility that Alzheimer's drugs might get into the brain faster with new ultrasound tool.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-...ltrasound.html

Here's a link a Scientific review published back in 2018 which is about the possible use of Ultrasound to use focused ultrasound associated with microbubbles for opening the blood-brain barrier and subsequent administration of drugs or antibodies have shown promise as a possible treatment for AD

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6289486/

Certainly sounds like something that could prove advantageous and maybe something that could be effective.

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Thank you for providing an alternative way to access this wonderful news. Due to sight loss I prefer to listen to news, but of course some people will prefer to read things.

It's certainly looking promising isn't it, fingers crossed.