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peanut 04-11-2023 11:28
Fireworks / Bonfire night
 
There seems to be more and more articles now about resigning bonfire night to just fizzle out.

It does hold a bit of weight. Should it be just organised displays only? Or let people hold their own which can be a week before and week after the 5th depending on what day it falls on.

I've noticed it has died down a lot, cost of living etc. Then there's now fireworks that are sold as silent for wildlife and pets etc. Is this the change of how things are now? To me fireworks are all about the big bangs but it does feel like it's a dying out spectacle.

I'm happy for it to be just be an organised displays but I remember buying them on the way to school and the fun we had with them and penny for the guy etc. But times have changed a lot since.

Jaymoss 04-11-2023 12:15
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The sale of Fireworks to the public in my opinion should be banned because people take the mick nowadays and spread it over 2 months.

Had 10 years of hell over November and December with my dog being terrified and once the season started he would go into panic every night whether there were bangs or not. Horrid time. He is pretty much deaf now and hardly notices shame he had to get old to be able to stay settled

Ms NTL 04-11-2023 12:56
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36163319)
The sale of Fireworks to the public in my opinion should be banned because people take the mick nowadays and spread it over 2 months.

Had 10 years of hell over November and December with my dog being terrified and once the season started he would go into panic every night whether there were bangs or not. Horrid time. He is pretty much deaf now and hardly notices shame he had to get old to be able to stay settled
my scared cat is on top of me for several weeks.......

Taf 04-11-2023 13:21
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We have had the usual post-dusk and midnight fireworks for a couple of weeks now. Our cats have learned that this time of year it's best to stay indoors after dark. Next doors' yappy dogs haven't.

denphone 04-11-2023 14:24
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36163323)
We have had the usual post-dusk and midnight fireworks for a couple of weeks now. Our cats have learned that this time of year it's best to stay indoors after dark. Next doors' yappy dogs haven't.
Strangly the usual build up of firework noise up to Bonfire Night has not happened this year in our area.

Paul 04-11-2023 18:31
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36163319)
..because people take the mick nowadays and spread it over 2 months.
Maybe you need to move to a better area, they sure as hell dont spread over 2 months here. :erm:

Still, lets spoil it for everyone because there are a few morons. :rolleyes:

I bought my own and we had a family party with them for 30+ years.
Now my kids are all grown up, and I'm a little too old for all the preperation and bending required.

Jaymoss 04-11-2023 18:43
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36163340)
Maybe you need to move to a better area, they sure as hell dont spread over 2 months here. :erm:

Still, lets spoil it for everyone because there are a few morons. :rolleyes:

I bought my own and we had a family party with them for 30+ years.
Now my kids are all grown up, and I'm a little too old for all the preperation and bending required.
If it was just the weekend of Bonfire Night, Diwala and New Years Eve it would be ok but it simply isn't anymore. When I was younger it was always the weekend and when my daughter was little we went to an organized display with a fair

I do live on a council estate in an old mining town and do not have the resources to move unfortunately as a single man the council would dump me in a little box

Tinky 05-11-2023 09:58
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Many years ago we used to build a bonfire at the end of our street, we spent days collecting wood etc which rival 'gangs' used to try and steal from us. Didn't harm the road which was cobbled, often the fire brigade was called to put it out, but it was great fun. Few of us could afford to buy fireworks back then.

Inactive Digital 05-11-2023 10:10
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There have definitely been fewer in our so far area this year. Even last night there weren't that many, though I'm sure tonight will be different. Maybe it's a combination of cost of living, shops not making such a fuss of it and the 5th being on a weekend, rather than midweek.

Our dog doesn't react well either. He's not been as scared as when he was a pup last year (a firework went off right above us when I was trying to sneak in a quick toilet break). But our local organised big display is always a week later, so we still have that one to get through and we literally live across the road from it, so it'll be full blast EDM to hide the bangs!

Taf 05-11-2023 10:32
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The show at the castle went ahead, despite it raining at the same time. We could hear the BOOMS! and the eerie coloured glows, but all the airbursts were hidden in cloud.

A couple of local set theirs off during a lull in the poor weather after 11pm.

peanut 05-11-2023 10:58
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I expected a lot more going on last night but was really quiet - 2 or 3 bangs was we heard. Maybe as it's on a weekend night it'll all be tonight.

Paul 06-11-2023 02:31
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I went to a display in Mansfield, it was good, and loud.
My grandaughter isnt a fan though, she doesnt like loud bangs in general (whatever the cause).

Dude111 06-11-2023 04:28
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Originally Posted by Paul
Maybe you need to move to a better area, they sure as hell dont spread over 2 months here. :erm:
No mate they spend the littliest time!!

Halcyon 06-11-2023 09:08
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I do love a good fireworks display but any real big fireworks should really be kept to professional displays.
My kids love doing sparklers in the garden.

peanut 06-11-2023 09:17
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It was noticeably quieter this year where I live. A few went off around 7pm, but then really nothing at all after that. A big difference from the last and previous years.

Taf 06-11-2023 09:17
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It sounded like someone dropped 4 Bunker Busters at the end of the street. And it was pouring down at the time!

It all fizzled-out before 10pm.

Hom3r 06-11-2023 09:22
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I in some part blame the pet owners.


Let me explain, our pooch (Back in the 80s) was a bit unhappy with the bangs.


So my mum sat with him and spoke to him calmly and watched the fireworks, he eventually just slept in front of the fire snoozing.


I think that is the owners vibes that its pick up and thats why they are unhappy.

peanut 06-11-2023 10:01
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Times have changed a lot. In the early 80's I used to buy bangers, mini rockets, air bombs and air bomb repeaters etc with pocket money and money from 'penny for the guy'ing' which (the guy) went on the local bonfire. Those fireworks were really cheap to buy at that time. Also remember buying them on the way to school as there wasn't an age limit back then.

Bonfires luckily have died out which is no bad thing. Some bonfires back then were huge too. Also gone are the public service announcement on the safety of fireworks as that used to be a big thing in the past, probably due to banning most of the fireworks we could buy in those times.

I do think pets and cost of living has a lot to do with it dying down quite a bit, that and people tend to just go to organised displays now.

Chris 06-11-2023 11:47
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36163471)
It was noticeably quieter this year where I live. A few went off around 7pm, but then really nothing at all after that. A big difference from the last and previous years.
Same here. I guess it helps when it’s on a weekend as it is less of an incentive for people to shift it to whichever evening is more convenient, however I fully expected Friday and Saturday to be loud in our neighbourhood, especially as Sunday is a ‘school night’. However there was next to nothing until around 6pm last night, and then it was like the Somme for about an hour. A lull, then those who clearly were planning on a 7.30 start all got going and it was noisy, though less so, for another half hour or so. After that, just a sporadic bang or whoosh here or there. But all together, definitely a lot less. I wonder whether everyone’s too broke to want to spend 10 minutes burning £100 in their back yard.

Rillington 10-11-2023 14:07
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36163319)
The sale of Fireworks to the public in my opinion should be banned because people take the mick nowadays and spread it over 2 months.

Had 10 years of hell over November and December with my dog being terrified and once the season started he would go into panic every night whether there were bangs or not. Horrid time. He is pretty much deaf now and hardly notices shame he had to get old to be able to stay settled
Agreed.

I think the only reason that the month-long fireworks season exists is so that major supermarkets can make serious profit from their sale.

In the world of health and safety it is genuinely beyond comprehension when anyone can buy something which causes life changing injuries.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36163341)
If it was just the weekend of Bonfire Night, Diwala and New Years Eve it would be ok but it simply isn't anymore. When I was younger it was always the weekend and when my daughter was little we went to an organized display with a fair
That was the very same for where I used to live as a child. The town's sports club organised an event which saw many people from the town. This took place on the Saturday nearest to 5th November. And on the 5th, the actual village had a private, but still organised, event which was attended by those who were part of village life and held on private property. Many brought a box of fireworks and they were let off by adults standing behind a rope to ensure nothing could go wrong. That was it. Now it's a month-long season for what is supposed to be a one-night thing and the only beneficiaries are the big supermarkets who make serious profit out of selling them.

Mythica 10-11-2023 14:18
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Banned and for only organised displays. Though this year wasn't so bad, usually in this area it starts around August/September time. I love fireworks, so it does pain me to say it but they are getting into the wrong hands far too easily and are being used to terrorise estates. Aimed at people, pushed in letter boxes, aimed at cars including Police vans which I witnessed with my own eyes to which they just drove off (don't blame in in reality). Heard them go of in daylight hours. Until someone does something about the anti social behaviour, they are far too dangerous in the hands of those people.

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Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36163768)
Agreed.

I think the only reason that the month-long fireworks season exists is so that major supermarkets can make serious profit from their sale.

In the world of health and safety it is genuinely beyond comprehension when anyone can buy something which causes life changing injuries.

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That was the very same for where I used to live as a child. The town's sports club organised an event which saw many people from the town. This took place on the Saturday nearest to 5th November. And on the 5th, the actual village had a private, but still organised, event which was attended by those who were part of village life and held on private property. Many brought a box of fireworks and they were let off by adults standing behind a rope to ensure nothing could go wrong. That was it. Now it's a month-long season for what is supposed to be a one-night thing and the only beneficiaries are the big supermarkets who make serious profit out of selling them.
I can't speak for all supermarkets, but Asda started selling them around mid October, so in reality, they aren't really to blame. I believe you get firework shops open all year round.

Rillington 10-11-2023 14:28
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They will have started selling them on 15th October and will continue to sell them until 23.59.59 tonight.

The reason supermarkets are to blame is that whilst you rightly say the fireworks shops can sell fireworks all year round, you have to go out of your way to find them and even in big cities you hardly ever hear a firework. However on 15th October, once the supermarkets put them on sale, it all begins again and everything you describe in your posting happens in cities all across the UK due to them being available in just about every supermarket, apart from the smallest ones.

If fireworks season did not exist and if fireworks were only allowed at properly licensed events, whether it be run by a council, sports club or an event like I described, then all the things you talk about, which happens every fireworks season, would not happen.

Mythica 10-11-2023 16:35
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Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36163777)
They will have started selling them on 15th October and will continue to sell them until 23.59.59 tonight.

The reason supermarkets are to blame is that whilst you rightly say the fireworks shops can sell fireworks all year round, you have to go out of your way to find them and even in big cities you hardly ever hear a firework. However on 15th October, once the supermarkets put them on sale, it all begins again and everything you describe in your posting happens in cities all across the UK due to them being available in just about every supermarket, apart from the smallest ones.

If fireworks season did not exist and if fireworks were only allowed at properly licensed events, whether it be run by a council, sports club or an event like I described, then all the things you talk about, which happens every fireworks season, would not happen.
I'm sorry but you can't blame supermarkets for this. I'd say mid October to start selling fireworks is a realistic time frame for bonfire night on the 5th. It's the government that need a big crackdown on anti social behaviour that is to blame.

Anonymouse 10-11-2023 22:45
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I often wonder if today's kids even know who Guy Fawkes was (Google notwithstanding). There's some debate as to his exact role in the conspiracy, if indeed there was one.

I'm reminded of something I once heard: Guy Fawkes was the only man ever to enter Parliament with honest intent. :p:

I don't know. Some traditions should be put to rest. Maybe this is one of them.

Rillington 14-11-2023 15:48
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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36163786)
I'm sorry but you can't blame supermarkets for this. I'd say mid October to start selling fireworks is a realistic time frame for bonfire night on the 5th. It's the government that need a big crackdown on anti social behaviour that is to blame.
I totally accept the premise of your point. A previous (I think Labour) government chose to create a fireworks season lasting from 15th October until the 10th November and the supermarkets choose to take advantage of this by putting fireworks on sale from when they open on 15th October and market their sale as heavily as possible to maximise their profit. This is why I feel I can blame supermarkets for driving fireworks season due to their desire to profit form it.

tweetiepooh 15-11-2023 09:44
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I would also blame insurance companies that can make displays too expensive to run and councils cancelling displays. If public displays are pulled or made too expensive people will want to set some off at home.

Mythica 15-11-2023 14:30
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Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36164152)
I totally accept the premise of your point. A previous (I think Labour) government chose to create a fireworks season lasting from 15th October until the 10th November and the supermarkets choose to take advantage of this by putting fireworks on sale from when they open on 15th October and market their sale as heavily as possible to maximise their profit. This is why I feel I can blame supermarkets for driving fireworks season due to their desire to profit form it.
Do you blame supermarkets for people getting fat?

Rillington 16-11-2023 13:16
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36164231)
I would also blame insurance companies that can make displays too expensive to run and councils cancelling displays. If public displays are pulled or made too expensive people will want to set some off at home.
Agreed.

My view is that fireworks should only be allowed at a licensed event, whether it be from the council, a community club and if an individual wants to use fireworks, they obtain a permit from the local council.


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