Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66831593

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In a horrible story, there are some even more sickening parts:



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GB News seem to be willing to defend him: https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/s...37915481858403

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There’s some harrowing stuff in there. I’ll be watching Dispatches tonight to see what else they’ve got. What I want to know now is, where does it go from here? Do they have actionable material that could result in criminal proceedings?

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So when did any detail of any ALLEGATIONS, come out, in relation to any comments? Look at the timings. The comment was before 8am, the "details" a lot later.

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Do they have actual proof or evidence.
Atm, it appears to be just "accused" or "alleged".
Despite how some would like it, we still work on innocent until proven guilty.

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100% I will have no opinion until solid evidence

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No evidence required these days, along with the constant misuse of language and terms.

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As of right now (about 45 minutes through the documentary) they have detailed descriptions of lurid sexual behaviour that’s distasteful, controlling and coercive but probably not actually illegal (though in certain specific circumstances sex between an adult and a child aged 16 or 17 actually is illegal), plus at least one allegation of rape, in LA, which was reported to a support service but not pursued with the police.

They haven’t claimed his behaviour is criminal except where his victim has done. In that case I suspect they know there’s little chance of Brand suing them because there is contemporaneous evidence, held by the rape support service the woman went to. They have alleged he breached his contract with Big Brother by having sex with multiple members of the production team but that’s a civil matter.

I find it highly compelling that all these women, who don’t know each other, are all independently describing their encounters with Brand in the same terms. Channel 4 and the Times have built a compelling picture of outrageous, predatory behaviour that any woman coming into his orbit needs to be aware of.

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In ant criminal or civil court, independent witnesses consistently describing the same pattern of behaviour is evidence.

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https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status...891261952?s=61

Ahead of his time.

For those not on Twitter it’s Trump from 2014.

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And an hour and 10 minutes in, an allegation of sexual assault with witnesses outside the building hearing screams. Again, maybe it’ll now go to a criminal trial, maybe it won’t. But the chances of Brand taking Channel 4 to court to sue them are minuscule. There’s little doubt that Dispatches could prove, on the balance of probabilities, that these things happened.

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Who has more authority than Supreme Justice Rachel Riley? She "hanged" Greenwood and Antony, and now it is Brand's turn. Who needs courts and trials, when we have Rachel and the media to pass judgments....

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If has done anything illegal, he should be charged.

It’s difficult to de-platform him, as he uses an independent media outlet for his podcast.

I haven’t watched the expose yet, so can’t really comment on it. Though reading through the comments I find the Saville connection a bit far fetched……..but who knows?!

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The Dispatches programme played a recording of the phone call between Saville and Brand from Brand’s radio show)

The recording is below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/cul...-b2412999.html

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Not a fan of her tbh, prefer Carol, my own view for what little it's worth is that most of this stuff probably happened and it could have been avoided if someone in authority just told him no once in a while early on

Exactly, the connection is far fetched

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Just looked at Riley’s timeline, and can’t see what you mean?

She has posted four likes, and two posts/replies in the subject, none of which seem reflect what you posit?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1694949298

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1694949298

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1694949446

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There’s an entertaining point in his defence video where if you look carefully there’s a cut before the word “consensual”. Presumably to edit out the word “mostly”.

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Well, it’s unlikely he’ll face criminal proceedings. Unless his accusers make official complaints to the police and there is an investigation, and actual evidence of his sexual attacks is found.

It’s unlikely he will be cancelled, or remove himself from broadcasting for the sake of his “mental health”. Because he is independent and cannot be silenced. If he wishes he can refute all this via his channel.

Given the nature of all this, it will degenerate into he said, she said allegations, and nothing happens.

……….so nothing happens. Yeah he’ll be smeared and probably not asked on as a guest on some tv shows. But that’s all.

It won’t be career ending for Brand as he doesn’t rely on the MSM or establishment outlets for his career. It may even increase his numbers.

Personally, I’ve never liked him. I have a passing interest about whether this is a MSM hit piece for some reason, but given what I have said above, if it is, I don’t understand the reasoning behind it.

And if it is a good faith investigative journalism piece, I would expect legal actions to follow, otherwise, what’s the point?

Can you imagine, looking back, if there was a Saville expose, while he was alive …..…..and nothing happened afterwards?

If he has done what he is accused of……….there has to be an investigation……………there has to be.

If his accusers refuse to be part of that, then we draw our own conclusions.

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Well, the point would be to expose him. The newspapers can't bring criminal cases but there is still a public interest in reporting the story so long as they're confident they can stand it up if he sues them.

What happens now probably depends on more people coming forward. You're not going to get a smoking gun bit of evidence so any realistic criminal investigation will require loads of independent testimonies. At the moment The Times has several women plus a text message from Brand saying he was sorry, but that last one occurred in the United States so the Met probably can't use that.

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There is some curious defending of Brand from some of the GBNews brigade, I guess to defend their own man (Wootton) in some bizarre way

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The Times has said they have more allegations and are currently investigating them.

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Dispatches flashed an email address at the end of the programme on Saturday night. It’s pretty clear the journalists running this have taken it as far as they can with the information gathered so far and are now hoping for a sort of ‘me too’ response in order to continue.

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I thought that was the police’s job.

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The Met Police have said their in contact with The Times and Channel 4 and I assume the evidence is shared with them.

But the newspapers are also entitled to investigate accusations against public figures. They just have to make sure what they print is watertight.

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Brand retold an old tale: The Pied Piper of Hamelin. This tale has been retold thousands of times over the years. The best retelling was a famous person whom the BBC, Hospitals and other Charity Organisations followed the Pied Piper and gave permission to do what he wanted. They refused every complaint made against this Pied Piper's misogyny and abusive character person. Of course, it had to do with Millions of Pounds they would stop making if the complaint was upheld. These Organisations became wealthy. He died a happy man with a BIG CIGAR between his lips and was buried with it inside his coffin. I wonder who presented him with the BIG Cigar and what colour the cigar was. Now we see another Pied Piper who has a company selling pipes. The company is called Brand, and the tin he packaged the pipes is not of good quality material Rus, sell it onward, if you can, very quickly. Has anyone purchased his pipe and smoked it? I wonder?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-6...ost_type=share

This is not one of the alleged offences previously referred to by the Dispatches/Times investigation.

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This is a risk for Brand. Women don't go to the police because it's their word against his and their worried, but if a slew of allegations come in after they see they're not alone then the police might build a case.

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I am somewhat curious about this, what "Support" do you provide 20 years later ?

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It’s probably just the standard statement but I guess they offer the normal support they do to people who go to them with such allegations

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Having to re-tell traumatic events can trigger PTSD - perhaps the support is for this (i believe the Met (and other Forces) have specially trained Officers for this).

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His live shows aren't proceeding, Channel 4 has removed his old content from its on-demand service and YouTube has demonetised him.

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His main outlet is Rumble & Locals.

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It is interesting to compare this to the Huw Edwards story

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Someone pointed out how low the percentage of rape claims are actually untrue. Found this to illustrate this point:

https://fullfact.org/crime/allegations-rape/

So, on the balance of probability, you can reasonably assume he is in trouble

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That's different to having a good enough case for the CPS to go for a conviction though.

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It is, but libel is judged on the balance of probabilities, which is why Dispatches and the Times have run the story. They are confident that they can defend it in a defamation trial. Brand is not going to sue them because he’d lose.

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BBC just removed his shows off iPlayer.

Rumble and Locals may get his dedicated fans along but YouTube, Channel 4 OD and iPlayer have far wider exposure.

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Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

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Since when did a newspaper investigation have to wait for someone to be convicted? Dispatches and the Times have done what investigative journalists have been doing for as long as the profession has existed. They have researched and published evidence of wrongdoing. The only legal bar they have to clear is to satisfy themselves they could defend a defamation claim if one were to be brought - to do that in these circumstances they would have to show that it is more likely than not that Brand has done the things claimed. They would have no trouble doing that given the number of women independently giving the same details. They have demonstrated a pattern of behaviour.

It is for others to decide what action, if any, to take on the basis of what they have reported. Having read the Times article and watched the Dispatches report, I think platforms that are temporarily removing his content are acting wisely. There’s more than enough evidence out there now to take precautions, especially given recent criminal convictions of other powerful media men who got away with it for years and whose media profile continued to shield them.

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What proof would work for you?

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Precautions ?
How is removing a show from iPlayer helping ?
Is it somehow going to leap out and assult people ?
Is everyone now so dumb they cant actually decide not to watch something if it bothers them.

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An actual conviction.

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Really pleased Rumble has stuck two fingers up at our UK Parliaments, Media Culture & Sports Committee chair request to demonetise Brands channel, he’s not been convicted, he’s not even under any criminal investigation. I am no fan of Lefty Brand but this trial by media, guilt by accusation, it’s got to stop!

Yea they do whats easiest for them and its sick Mick!!

Im glad he stood up against them!!!

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I thought the BBC sacked him along with Jonathan Ross a few years back.

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More allegations received by police: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66918331

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It will be interesting in so far as in the Saville case, all the allegations were after he died and therefore could not be contested. ( I am not inferring in anyway that Saville did not assault many people)

But Brand is alive and well, therefore I would expect all these allegations to at some point turn into charges…………

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Maybe, but they'll have to be pretty certain of a conviction for the CPS to decide to prosecute. Certainly, it's more likely as more people come forward.

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They have to.

They successfully charged Rolf Harris, and Stuart Hall. I don’t know the details of those cases but they must have been “historical” allegations, but still were able to gain two convictions, in crimes much older than Brand’s.

So I would expect if there is a case against, he would face charges.

If not, you would have to question this whole episode.

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I don't know how much evidence they have but certainly, the more people that come forward, the more likely they have a case.

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Considering we’ve had one recent major conviction on circumstantial evidence the likelihood is now - and in numbers - there’s more confidence in the likelihood of a conviction.

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As I think Chris said it'll be about constructing a similar pattern from several independent women. One accusor's word against the accused might not be beyond a reasonable doubt.

Several accusors, unknown to each other, with similar stories/details, may push it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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If he did rape/sexually assault a number of women in the period being discussed and there is now not enough evidence to prosecute, should these women remain silent?

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No - absent a criminal prosecution the laws of defamation exist to restrain egregious lies and give the one accused some remedy. But those who allege things against Brand can keep talking, and the newspapers can keep printing, as long as they’re confident they can meet the lower burden of proof required in a civil court (the balance of probabilities, rather than beyond reasonable doubt). Russel Brand is not without means and can take legal action to silence them if he chooses. I suspect he won’t.

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Without making a judgement on innocence.

I think Brand will be advised to not pursue libel, as that would invite more scrutiny. Whereas, there’s a good chance this will soon run out of oxygen and with his loyal following he will be free to carry on.

With allegations, staying as allegations and not going further, it will soon be yesterdays news.

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GB News could uncancel him with their soon to become available hosting position.