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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ring-rcna96476

Former military officials made a series of mystifying claims about unidentified aerial phenomena under oath at Wednesday's congressional hearing.

Three former military officials told Congress Wednesday that they believe the government knows much more about UFOs than it is telling the public.

I'm guessing most has seen this stuff floating around the internet?

How true do you guys think this is? papers seem to be dumbing it down but if this is real then why hasn't the internet exploded?

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The internet has been exploding about UFOs and alleged extraterrestrial objects for years….

It’s never talked about publicly at a government level as people would (understandably) demand answers, something officials would naturally be unable to give. However there’s no way of knowing if these aircraft are from another world or some secret high-tech weapon from another country, and there’s no way the Yanks would admit to being baffled by the superior technology from another country.

With regards to the “non human” biologics, that just seems to be all very “I’d love to tell you what I know….but unfortunately I can’t”.

People have been using that BS convenient line since time began about agendas they may be wanting to push.

My feeling is these are all diversionary tactics - I once read that the Yanks use the whole “aliens” gimmick at Area 51 to distract people from whatever other top secret work goes on there

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It was all going good till they say..."they believe" and "absolutely certain"...

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I have 90 books on the subject, 11 A4 lever arch files slowly filling up put 7 days worth of videos downloaded from YT.

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Good grief Hom3r you must be nigh an expert on the subject, do you believe we are not alone after studying the subject so intensely?

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When I hear about UFO sightings I always think of this map:

https://i.imgur.com/fSRClmB.jpg

The visitors from another galaxy aren't exactly well-traveled, they seem to only speak English.

Joking aside I think the vastness of space makes such visits very unlikely and especially so many that people report. We might expect some evidence of life but signals, light, or debris spotted out to space, not dozens upon dozens of trips in spaceships.

The idea that we haven't found evidence of life elsewhere is more interesting to me. What that means about the universe and our place in it. Things like the Femi Paradox and the Great Filter.

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Although I’m similarly fascinated by the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter/Drake Equation stuff I think that map relies on US data which could explain some of the bias.

Growing up looking up at the vastness of the sky would make you wonder that there must be something out there. What’s similarly odd is that more people then ever before are walking around all day with a camera and nobody can get a decent picture ;)

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:Yikes:

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They all have Babelfish in their ears and a universal translator stolen from a timelord

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The Drake Equation give an answer to the possibility to life out there

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More a best guess than an answer.

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During the meeting, Grusch said that whilst he is unable to answer those questions in an open forum, he would happily supply the names and evidence he had in a SCIF (a private meeting with the congress representatives) to give full disclosure. The reason all 3 could not give full disclosure is due to a mix of Non-Disclosure agreements and National Security (the reason that this has come to congress in the first place).

This 'sighting' map was generated by NUFORC, which is a US based (thus English speaking) non-profit. It will be heavily weighted towards American and 'English Speaking' nations when people search for where to report something. Also remember that they likely do not filter out sightings that could be explained away, so might seem heavier than otherwise it would be if it were only showing geuine (for want of a better term) UAP sightings scrutinised and obtained using military level sensors, cameras, vehicles and personnel.


In terms of the witness statement meeting with congress, I think it's very interesting. the fact it has become an officially and openly raised subject in the interests of National Security in the US means this will get attention, and the more attention it gets, the more people will demand answers and evidence. At which point, it can become hard to hide when there are respectable and professional people providing what they claim are the names of people, programmes, locations and evidence that support said claims. If anyone thought the open meeting was interesting, imagine the info that will be passed over in the SCIF meeting!

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The problem with this is we have a sample size of precisely one when estimating life in the universe. It's all pretty speculative.

We have no idea of how common or uncommon life actually might be, we can assume it's relatively rare because if the universe was teaming with the life you think we could have more evidence of that now than random unsubstantiated sightings.

I think there is life out there but it's rare and intelligent life is rarer still. Intelligent life then can develop technologies to travel the universe and/or communicate with us extremely rare.

The sheer size of the universe means that odds could still be met but, in my opinion, so rare would these civilisations would exist hundreds of millions or billions of light years away making any contact impossible under our current understanding of the laws of physics. It might be they existed billions of years ago in a galaxy billions of light years away, they might have formed, developed, and died before life even started here.

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It’s also difficult for us the imagine technologies based on physics, build with materials or using concepts we don’t understand. We can’t imagine them. but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or is impossible. People used to worship Gods to to ensure rainfall and rising suns because they didn’t understand celestial complexities. As a species we have so much to learn still. To think we know it all is absurdly naive.

In terms of life, I agree. But again, rare does not mean impossible. Mathematically, these is always a chance we are not alone and that another life form could get to us.

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I agree but there isn't much evidence of those concepts allowing them to reach us.

It could be we're dealing with billions of light years. Maybe one day we'll receive a signal from a long-dead civilisation, or one on their way. Maybe life self-terminates after a certain point, i.e not long after they split the atom (:erm:). Maybe it isn't the case that intelligent life ever developed anywhere but here.

I find all of these topics far more interesting that the idea of a Government cover-up. The idea that we might be alone, or that we weren't alone but something happened to other life, or the implications of what it means if we find out we're not alone and receive a signal one day are all so much more interesting. Imagine the consequences of receiving such a message from civilisation millions of lights years away, hopefully, they write something more than 'hello?'.

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I think this is the point of bringing it to congress. There might actually be evidence, but it’s being kept from the public domain.

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It doesn't seem very likely though. Leaving aside the remote possibility that they've reached us it's then further unlikely the US Government could easily cover it up.

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Agreed, if we only go by our current knowledge and understanding around the laws of physics, propulsion systems, automated drones, long distance comms and length of lifetimes.

We only have our own experience as a gauge. What if our knowledge is just too limited to explain things? This is the exciting part it true. Imagine what we might learn.

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They've been talking about wormholes pretty often in season 4 of The Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch

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I have an open mind. However, in this age of total surveillance and that everyone now has an hd camera in their pocket.

Likewise, in regards to ghosts and other supernatural phenomena.

I would just think, if it all existed. We’d have a decent photo, or video by now, and we don’t.

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