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TheDaddy 27-07-2023 14:11
Season 2023/2024
 
Two weeks till the start of the season and the hammers have built on last seasons success of staying in the league by signing no one, lost one of the worlds best players in his position and are close to signing no one, actually that's not true, someone from Man City youth team is pretty close apparently, long hard season ahead as anyone who does come in won't have had a preseason with their new teammates

Mr K 27-07-2023 14:50
Re: Season 23/24
 
The Premiership is still a big yawn for me. More entertainment and better value in the lower and non leagues.

Be interesting to see if the cost of living, makes people review if they can afford to give their money to multi millionaires every week, with owners/players who have no connection to the team or cities they represent.

Support your local team at whatever level they are at.

TheDaddy 27-07-2023 14:57
Re: Season 23/24
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157348)
The Premiership is still a big yawn for me. More entertainment and better value in the lower and non leagues.

Be interesting to see if the cost of living, makes people review if they can afford to give their money to multi millionaires every week, with owners/players who have no connection to the team or cities they represent.

Support your local team at whatever level they are at.
I do support my local team, I have fallen out of love with the game over recent years though and I can't see that trend reversing

denphone 27-07-2023 15:00
Re: Season 23/24
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157348)
The Premiership is still a big yawn for me. More entertainment and better value in the lower and non leagues.

Be interesting to see if the cost of living, makes people review if they can afford to give their money to multi millionaires every week, with owners/players who have no connection to the team or cities they represent.

Support your local team at whatever level they are at.
My local team went up as champions last year.:D

Paul 27-07-2023 21:00
Re: Season 23/24
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157348)
Support your local team at whatever level they are at.
I do, since the mid 1970's when they were in (the old) Div 2.

Since then Ive actually moved house a number of times, so technically, they are not my nearest team anymore, but I dont swap teams everytime I move ;)

TheDaddy 08-08-2023 17:41
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Getting a tiny bit concerned now, still no signings and the club is short of coaches too, boarderline negligent to leave things this late, basically days before kick off :shocked:

denphone 08-08-2023 18:47
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36158142)
Getting a tiny bit concerned now, still no signings and the club is short of coaches too, boarderline negligent to leave things this late, basically days before kick off :shocked:
l hear they are after two Man Utd players.

Mr K 08-08-2023 19:05
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36158144)
l hear they are after two Man Utd players.
Unbelievably I still haven't been signed yet. True I last played 30 years ago, we lost 11-0 , and I tweaked that pesky hamstring injury. But I'm still available for the right price of course, via one's agent naturally :)

telegramsam 14-08-2023 20:39
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Watched TNT'S first Premier League offering on Saturday,and was delighted to see the logo at the top of the screen,but was quickly dismayed to see the score and time at the bottom of the screen! This is worse than it all being at the bottom of the screen. Anyone else agree or is it just me?

Paul 14-08-2023 21:16
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Cant say I even noticed TBH.

nffc 14-08-2023 22:55
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
VAR rules this season


https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/08/3.jpg

jfman 14-08-2023 23:46
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
It’s always been the same. Needs binned.

Paul 15-08-2023 04:21
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36158629)
It’s always been the same.
Yep, some like it, some dont. Its not going to go away, so you may as well get used to it.

jfman 15-08-2023 12:52
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
First apology of the season to Wolves. Ref and VARs dropped for next weekend.

Farcical.

telegramsam 15-08-2023 17:26
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36158613)
Cant say I even noticed TBH.
Really?

jfman 30-09-2023 18:44
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Another VAR success story.

denphone 30-09-2023 19:52
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
:(:(

TheDaddy 30-09-2023 20:18
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161003)
Another VAR success story.
What is the point of it :mad:

Mr K 30-09-2023 21:24
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161012)
What is the point of it :mad:
In the 'littler' leagues, the refs have to take responsibility for mistakes like the players and managers have to, they're all human and it's part of the game. Usually evens out over a season.

Premiership refs should be paid less if they won't take such responsibility.
E.g. Offside shouldn't be offside unless itss really obvious. All this his nose hair or laces might be offside after consulting an electron microscope and delaying the game for 10 mins is a farce.

TheDaddy 01-10-2023 00:51
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161024)
In the 'littler' leagues, the refs have to take responsibility for mistakes like the players and managers have to, they're all human and it's part of the game. Usually evens out over a season.

Premiership refs should be paid less if they won't take such responsibility.
E.g. Offside shouldn't be offside unless itss really obvious. All this his nose hair or laces might be offside after consulting an electron microscope and delaying the game for 10 mins is a farce.
It's not what offside was invented for either, it's to stop someone having an unfair advantage, not because his foot is in front of someone elses

Paul 01-10-2023 02:06
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161003)
Another VAR success story.
I assume you are being sarcastic, but yes, there are a lot of VAR success stories. ;)

telegramsam 01-10-2023 13:30
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Thought both ref and VAR were a disgrace yesterday. None are fit to referee. How can they possibly get it so wrong? Unless...�� is involved!

daveeb 01-10-2023 14:38
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36161090)
Thought both ref and VAR were a disgrace yesterday. None are fit to referee. How can they possibly get it so wrong? Unless...�� is involved!
The ref and VAR officials need an urgent specsavers appointment after that one. Wasn't even that close and obviously onside watching in real time. :mad:

TheDaddy 01-10-2023 14:41
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36161094)
The ref and VAR officials need an urgent specsavers appointment after that one. Wasn't even that close and obviously onside watching in real time. :mad:
Another week and another VAR apology, it's okay though, the perpetrators have been given the rest of the weekend off to think about what they've done

telegramsam 01-10-2023 14:45
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161095)
Another week and another VAR apology, it's okay though, the perpetrators have been given the rest of the weekend off to think about what they've done
Yeah,a slap on the wrist and told not to be naughty boys again

Paul 01-10-2023 23:17
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36161090)
Thought both ref and VAR were a disgrace yesterday. None are fit to referee. How can they possibly get it so wrong?
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36161094)
The ref and VAR officials need an urgent specsavers appointment after that one. Wasn't even that close and obviously onside watching in real time. :mad:
Perhaps read up on what happened instead of just mindlessly ranting ...
VAR did not get the offside wrong, they concluded (correctly) that the goal was on side.

The error was about how this was communicated back to the referee.
The VAR officials apparently believed the goal had been given, so they sent a "check completed" message, rather than a "change the decision, its onside" message.

The ref, having got a simple 'complete' message, had no reason to change anything, and thus confirmed the on pitch decision [offside].

Its called "Human Error".
I dont know why some people think VAR is somehow magically exempt from occasional errors.
When humans are involved, human error will always happen.

The point of VAR is it corrects more errors than it makes.

daveeb 03-10-2023 13:29
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161122)
Perhaps read up on what happened instead of just mindlessly ranting ...
VAR did not get the offside wrong, they concluded (correctly) that the goal was on side.

The error was about how this was communicated back to the referee.
The VAR officials apparently believed the goal had been given, so they sent a "check completed" message, rather than a "change the decision, its onside" message.

The ref, having got a simple 'complete' message, had no reason to change anything, and thus confirmed the on pitch decision [offside].

Its called "Human Error".
I dont know why some people think VAR is somehow magically exempt from occasional errors.
When humans are involved, human error will always happen.

The point of VAR is it corrects more errors than it makes.
Not a mindless rant, at the time of TS and myself posting those facts weren't publicised and weren't by any stretch a plausible reason for it happening. For them to have messed it up in the way they did is almost unbelievable, almost like they hadn't had enough sleep or something :rolleyes:

Paul 03-10-2023 18:52
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36161184)
at the time of TS and myself posting those facts weren't publicised
They were.

Even better, if VAR did not exist, the goal would still have been disallowed, and people would still be moaning about it (and asking why we dont use VAR ...).

TheDaddy 04-10-2023 02:00
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36161184)
Not a mindless rant, at the time of TS and myself posting those facts weren't publicised and weren't by any stretch a plausible reason for it happening. For them to have messed it up in the way they did is almost unbelievable, almost like they hadn't had enough sleep or something :rolleyes:
Let's hope Liverpool don't lose the title by a point again or worse on goal difference, it's gross incompetence and if I did my job that badly I'd be sacked, these bozos are just given time off, paid presumably also

ozsat 04-10-2023 05:32
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Let's all remember that without VAR the Liverpool goal was given OFFSIDE.
VAR has made several wrong decisions - including giving Man City an offside goal - just as bad as not giving Liverpool a goal yet Fulham are not still complaining.

It has come out that the VAR two were in Saudi doing VAR on Thursday night and arrived back on Friday after several hours in flight.
I though the whole point of VAR was they could have done the Saudi work from the UK as it is done remotely - and they did not need a jolly holiday at the same time?

Mr K 04-10-2023 18:47
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
First World problems really though isn't it? There are worse things going on. People cock up in their jobs every day, including football players/managers/officials.

denphone 04-10-2023 18:50
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161248)
First World problems really though isn't it? There are worse things going on. People cock up in their jobs every day, including football players/managers/officials.
l make mistakes and cocks ups every day, its part of getting older..;)

iadom 08-10-2023 18:06
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Anyone watching the Arsenal v City game. Have you tried the new option on Sky Sports 3 called Game Mode. A different camera angle supposed to make it look like FIFA Pro video games.

iadom 17-10-2023 21:50
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Decent from England tonight, still look a bit shaky at the back at times but Italy are a good side who where well beaten in the end.

telegramsam 18-10-2023 12:16
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36162207)
Decent from England tonight, still look a bit shaky at the back at times but Italy are a good side who where well beaten in the end.
Sadly I missed it as was working and forgot to record it. . Not on catch up either surprisingly?

iadom 18-10-2023 12:30
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36162223)
Sadly I missed it as was working and forgot to record it. . Not on catch up either surprisingly?
Extended match highlights available on the C4 app.;)

In fact it looks like the full broadcast is also available on the C4 app.

telegramsam 18-10-2023 13:23
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36162227)
Extended match highlights available on the C4 app.;)

In fact it looks like the full broadcast is also available on the C4 app.
Ok cheers

denphone 21-10-2023 16:05
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Very sad news that footballing legend Sir Bobby Charlton has died.:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62989801

telegramsam 21-10-2023 18:32
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36162497)
Very sad news that footballing legend Sir Bobby Charlton has died.:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62989801
Yes totally agree,a true gentleman and football legend.

TheDaddy 08-11-2023 01:47
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Apparently VAR has made 17 obvious mistakes so far this season and have affected every single club, at this rate these goons will do themselves out of a job and it'll become automated and that'll open an even bigger can of worms

Paul 08-11-2023 01:55
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
How many errors have they corrected ?

denphone 08-11-2023 06:31
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36163619)
Apparently VAR has made 17 obvious mistakes so far this season and have affected every single club, at this rate these goons will do themselves out of a job and it'll become automated and that'll open an even bigger can of worms
Every week there seems to be 2 or 3 awful VAR decisions.

l would rather go back to the old way apart from over the line decisions.

telegramsam 08-11-2023 12:29
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
It mainly seems to be the English premier league though,doesn't it? If so then the issue is with poor officials on VAR in England?

denphone 08-11-2023 12:34
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36163641)
It mainly seems to be the English premier league though,doesn't it? If so then the issue is with poor officials on VAR in England?
Yeah l have noticed in the foreign leagues they don't have the same problems.

TheDaddy 08-11-2023 12:41
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36163621)
How many errors have they corrected ?
Their whole purpose is to correct errors, they're supposed to sort out clear and obvious errors not create more of them and how long does it take them to make a decision, just listening to it being discussed on the radio right now and they are saying it's going to be like this for 10 more years before it settles down and the question they're asking in response is was football better before VAR

telegramsam 08-11-2023 12:52
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36163643)
Yeah l have noticed in the foreign leagues they don't have the same problems.
Yeah that's what I thought.

1701-e 08-11-2023 13:53
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36163643)
Yeah l have noticed in the foreign leagues they don't have the same problems.
Even the world cup VAR was far superior to EPL. Champions League too doesn't seem to be that bad

TheDaddy 17-11-2023 12:23
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Everton given 10 point deduction with immediate effect

denphone 17-11-2023 12:26
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164398)
Everton given 10 point deduction with immediate effect
According to the club they never expected this.

Man City could be next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67448714

1701-e 17-11-2023 13:13
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36164399)

Man City could be next.
Man city won't be touched as they are scared to.

TheDaddy 17-11-2023 13:22
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36164406)
Man city won't be touched as they are scared to.
No one thought any team would be deducted points, I bet city are concerned

daveeb 17-11-2023 13:27
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36164406)
Man city won't be touched as they are scared to.
Indeed, I'm sure they'll have the best accountants and lawyers that money can buy.

denphone 17-11-2023 14:14
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36164408)
Indeed, I'm sure they'll have the best accountants and lawyers that money can buy.
Exactly as it will be one rule for the big boys and another for all the other teams l suspect.

telegramsam 17-11-2023 16:26
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
The Premier league won't dare deduct points from Man city.

Paul 17-11-2023 17:53
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36164412)
Exactly as it will be one rule for the big boys and another for all the other teams l suspect.
I thought Everton were considered a big boy ?

---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36164422)
The Premier league won't dare deduct points from Man city.
Pretty sure they would, but time will tell.

TheDaddy 20-11-2023 14:43
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36164406)
Man city won't be touched as they are scared to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36164423)
I thought Everton were considered a big boy ?

---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:53 ----------


Pretty sure they would, but time will tell.
I think they will too, Sheff Utd had a far better case against the Premier league than anyone but guess what, you can't sue them, it's a condition of being a member so the Chelsea and citeh fans digging their heads in the sand thinking the authorities are to scared to act are in for a rude awakening. Lets not forget that Everton and presumably Chelsea are considered to have helped the investigation instead of hindered it at every turn also, that won't help their case

denphone 20-11-2023 20:29
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Good grief as another simply awful VAR decision in the England game.:(

telegramsam 20-11-2023 20:48
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36164620)
Good grief as another simply awful VAR decision in the England game.:(
Totally agree

TheDaddy 26-11-2023 12:14
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Terry Vennables has died :(

Thanks for Euro 96 Tel

denphone 26-11-2023 12:18
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
One of Englands finest.:(

telegramsam 26-11-2023 13:31
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
A fantastic coach and one of England's best by far

Hugh 26-11-2023 13:34
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36165034)
A fantastic coach and one of England's best by far
Unfortunately, not by his win rate…

12th out of 14.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick...uthgate-second

telegramsam 26-11-2023 16:29
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36165035)
Unfortunately, not by his win rate…

12th out of 14.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick...uthgate-second
There's always one!

denphone 09-12-2023 16:36
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Can l apply to become to new Man Utd manager.:D

TheDaddy 11-12-2023 11:47
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36166280)
Can l apply to become to new Man Utd manager.:D
Thought you'd prefer them to carry on as they are

TheDaddy 20-12-2023 17:09
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
New manager in at the tricky trees then, not sure how I'd feel about Nuno tbh, jury is well out on if he's an upgrade or not imo

telegramsam 20-12-2023 17:13
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Interesting choice regarding Nuno as Forest New boss,time will tell U guess.

nffc 20-12-2023 22:22
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Seems a bit silly, but then we shall see...

Paul 20-12-2023 22:43
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Shame about Cooper, but TBH he was surviving on his previous record, not current form, which was poor.

I dont really know much about Nuno, other than he was (initially) successful at Wolves, I guess time will tell.

denphone 08-01-2024 16:38
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Another footballing great sadly passes away.:(

https://www.theguardian.com/football...r-dies-aged-78

Quote:
Franz Beckenbauer, widely regarded as one of the finest footballers of all time, and one of only two men to win the World Cup as a player and manager, has died aged 78.

TheDaddy 09-01-2024 01:28
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36167924)
Another footballing great sadly passes away.:(

https://www.theguardian.com/football...r-dies-aged-78
Mario Zagallo died a few days ago too, there have only been three men who have won world cups as players and managers and two of them died within a few days of each other, sad days for the beautiful game :(

TheDaddy 26-01-2024 12:26
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Klopp leaving at end of season then :(

denphone 26-01-2024 13:43
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36168969)
Klopp leaving at end of season then :(
Up there with the great Liverpool managers of the past but l can understand why he wants to leave and have a break from the game.

daveeb 26-01-2024 14:49
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36168969)
Klopp leaving at end of season then :(
I don't remember Shankly leaving too well but this definitely feels worse than Dalglish leaving. That's taken all the gloss off a so far promising looking season :shocked:

---------- Post added at 14:49 ---------- Previous post was at 14:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36168972)
Up there with the great Liverpool managers of the past but l can understand why he wants to leave and have a break from the game.
Just hope he eventually goes to the national team and not a club side. Can't stand the thought of him at Everton :D

Paul 26-01-2024 15:09
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36168976)
Just hope he eventually goes to the national team and not a club side. Can't stand the thought of him at Everton :D
Well, he has stated "I will never, ever manage a different club in England".

daveeb 26-01-2024 15:19
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36168978)
Well, he has stated "I will never, ever manage a different club in England".
I believe him. He might manage Germany or even go back to Mainz in time.

denphone 26-01-2024 15:46
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36168980)
I believe him. He might manage Germany or even go back to Mainz in time.
l would say being German manager might be on his bucket list before he retires.

telegramsam 26-01-2024 20:09
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Was shocked too about Klopp announcement but do understand his reasons. The question now though is who will replace him?

TheDaddy 20-03-2024 14:54
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Forest lose four points then, putting them in the relegation places :eek:

denphone 20-03-2024 15:26
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36172316)
Forrest lose four points then, putting them in the relegation places :eek:
l wonder why we are are still waiting for Man City and Chelsea to come before the independent commission.:(

daveeb 20-03-2024 15:48
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36172317)
l wonder why we are are still waiting for Man City and Chelsea to come before the independent commission.:(
I'd have thought that they could have looked at a few of the (115 in the case of City) charges in isolation and acted accordingly with the same speed they did with Everton and Forest.

TheDaddy 20-03-2024 16:00
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36172317)
l wonder why we are are still waiting for Man City and Chelsea to come before the independent commission.:(
Because Everton and Forest have cooperated, City have obstructed and should pay a heavier price for it eventually

Damien 26-03-2024 22:36
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Wales miss out on the Euros.

iadom 26-03-2024 23:12
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Not the greatest game, Poland possibly shaded it but can't see them progressing far in the Euros.

telegramsam 27-03-2024 10:02
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Cruel way to go out,on penalties,but someone has to loose and miss out.

iadom 09-06-2024 16:55
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Alan Hanson seriously ill in hospital.

denphone 09-06-2024 17:11
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Sadly its not looking great for the Liverpool legend.:(

denphone 15-06-2024 11:39
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Very sad news that Arsenal and Everton legend Kevin Campbell has died after a short illness.:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cqvvyypg33zo

Quote:
Former Arsenal and Everton striker Kevin Campbell has died at the age of 54 after a short illness.

Campbell scored 148 goals in 542 appearances across spells with eight clubs during his career.

He won four major trophies with Arsenal before going on to play for Leyton Orient, Leicester, Nottingham Forest, Trabzonspor, Everton, West Brom and Cardiff.

telegramsam 15-06-2024 12:37
Re: Season 2023/2024
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36177227)
Very sad news that Arsenal and Everton legend Kevin Campbell has died after a short illness.:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cqvvyypg33zo
Very dad news as you say. I remember him at Arsenal but not the other clubs mentioned.


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