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jfman 25-07-2023 18:28

When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?

Jaymoss 25-07-2023 19:20

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
About 5 years ago

This story isn't woke though. The BBC were just stupid asking them questions

Paul 25-07-2023 19:21

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
It went to far about 25 years ago, and is still going.

The rise of [anti] social media sent it full speed off the rails.

1andrew1 25-07-2023 19:21

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157117)
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?

Utterly inappropriate questions and as you pertinently say, would the journalist concerned want to be asked such a question? Suspect it might be trying to fill the time due to a lack of knowledge of women's football.

Hugh 25-07-2023 20:02

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157117)
Another day, another BBC apology.

Embarrassing scenes from the BBC at the Women’s World Cup as they have to apologise to the Morocco team for asking their captain if there are any lesbians in the team and how they feel living in a country where homosexuality is a crime.

They obviously wouldn’t ask all the (male) Premier League captain to out their team-mates when statistically there must be dozens of players who are gay. Similarly they wouldn’t ask them to incriminate themselves in any other crime.

This comes after a summer confusing Russians and Belorussian tennis players asking them to condemn the regimes there and risk their families at home.

When will the western liberal elite realise it’s not their job to co-opt others, risking their jobs, reputations and at worst their lives for ideals they may not hold and if they do may not seek to verbalise. Would the journalists be willing to swap places?

What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?

Taf 25-07-2023 20:07

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"Woke": to be aware of situations, conditions or history of someone or something that YOU now deem to be wrong.

The BBC news has become very female-orientated in its reporting over the past few months, so maybe they want to keep "on topic" by asking all the "woke" questions?

jfman 25-07-2023 20:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157125)
What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?

It’s clear that the BBC were trying to reflect (and impose) values in the line of questioning.

All meaningless virtue signalling unless they will apply the same principles without fear or favour. And we all know they wouldn’t ask an English footballer to put homosexuals in their dressing rooms.

Hugh 25-07-2023 21:18

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Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".

Sephiroth 25-07-2023 21:56

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157142)
Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".

"Woke" has compartments much like the "left wing" and the "right wing" does.

A common thread in "wokery" is virtue signalling of whatever part of the spectrum floats their boat.

"Values", trans-gender, diversity, inclusiveness are commonly perceived attributes in wokery.

Then, of course, there's Hugh, who likes posting meaningless large pictures that vaguely play to his rank in the "Wokerati".

What have they all in common in addition to virtue signalling? They're seriously annoying.

Good thread/topic, John.

jfman 25-07-2023 22:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157142)
Clear to you, perhaps…

Not sure how asking Russian & Belorussian players idiotic questions is "woke".

You say they ask idiotic questions as if they just chanced upon a press conference and at a few seconds notice thought “I’m out of ideas I’ll ask about the war”. These aren’t hapless local radio hacks, they’re accredited journalists for our state broadcaster. In the current example a journalist has been flown around the world to virtue signal without due regard for the situation the Morocco captain is in.

At best she says nothing and avoids the trap. At worst she sets herself and teammates up for invasive scrutiny once they return home. Somewhere in the middle is a sitting on the fence answer viewed with suspicion at home and offends gays and lesbians because she can’t unequivocally stick up for their right to live and love as they please under the media spotlight.

All for a journalist who is happy to sacrifice a North African woman to virtue signal to people in London

Sephiroth 25-07-2023 22:25

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Hugh hasn't grasped (or so pretends) that the LGBTQ+ABCDEFG stuff is the wokery that's being projected onto the poor Moroccan ladies.

Your point, John, is 100% correct.

Anyway, I think we're just past peak woke and the light is beginning to fade - by popular demand somewhere near HUGH.


Pierre 25-07-2023 23:26

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157125)
What have these inappropriate questions have to do with "woke"?

Because woke is evil and must challenged and destroyed wherever and whenever we encounter it. Your days are numbered. Watch the skies.

Hugh 25-07-2023 23:35

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157152)

Hugh hasn't grasped (or so pretends) that the LGBTQ+ABCDEFG stuff is the wokery that's being projected onto the poor Moroccan ladies.

Your point, John, is 100% correct.

Anyway, I think we're just past peak woke and the light is beginning to fade - by popular demand somewhere near HUGH.


I would refer you to Godwin’s Second Law…

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36157165)
Because woke is evil and must challenged and destroyed wherever and whenever we encounter it. Your days are numbered. Watch the skies.

;)

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Maggy 26-07-2023 08:22

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Hmm! One step forward,then two steps back?
I'm for equality for everyone.I may not understand the labels but I think everyone is entitled to use whatever term they like about themselves and yes they may have to put up with other peoples opposing views but let's be polite about it.Let's be adults.

Sephiroth 26-07-2023 09:21

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36157182)
Hmm! One step forward,then two steps back?
I'm for equality for everyone.I may not understand the labels but I think everyone is entitled to use whatever term they like about themselves and yes they may have to put up with other peoples opposing views but let's be polite about it.Let's be adults.

That's the problem: when you dig into it, the cracks in the floor emerge.

Take the gender issue: should biological males who take female gender (!!) be able to use the ladies' WC?

"Equality for everyone" is obviously right where natural borders apply. The woke agenda, in part, introduces un-natural borders and hence normal people (there's a word for you to pick on, "normal") push back.



Jaymoss 26-07-2023 10:04

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157185)


"Equality for everyone" is obviously right where natural borders apply. The woke agenda, in part, introduces un-natural borders and hence normal people (there's a word for you to pick on, "normal") push back.



That is impossible isn't it.

Biological women for example may well not want trans females in the same changing room but then the trans women will play the discrimination card.

I have always seen the word "Normal" as to mean the majority or the mean or average. Dunno why it can now be seen as an insult if someone is considered as not normal because often by the very definition of the word they are not

Sephiroth 26-07-2023 11:02

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36157192)
That is impossible isn't it.

Biological women for example may well not want trans females in the same changing room but then the trans women will play the discrimination card.

I have always seen the word "Normal" as to mean the majority or the mean or average. Dunno why it can now be seen as an insult if someone is considered as not normal because often by the very definition of the word they are not

I agree with you. On specifics as regards this TRANS stuff, biology must govern for the social conventions. And we should not be signing up to Stonewall programmes that are intent on doing social engineering that runs contrary to normality.

None of the foregoing remarks reduce everyone's obligations to act respectfully in regard to others.

Maggy 26-07-2023 18:31

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As a biological woman I really don’t care what everyone else keeps in their pants. I just don’t need to look or judge in a changing room. I’m too busy trying not to put everything on show to care what anyone else has or doesn’t have.Minding your own business seems a much healthier attitude.

jfman 26-07-2023 18:46

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36157269)
As a biological woman I really don’t care what everyone else keeps in their pants. I just don’t need to look or judge in a changing room. I’m too busy trying not to put everything on show to care what anyone else has or doesn’t have.Minding your own business seems a much healthier attitude.

One could equally think it’s a much healthier attitude for the blokes to undress with the other blokes while minding their own business and women undress with the other women while minding theirs.

Sephiroth 26-07-2023 19:04

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36157269)
As a biological woman I really don’t care what everyone else keeps in their pants. I just don’t need to look or judge in a changing room. I’m too busy trying not to put everything on show to care what anyone else has or doesn’t have.Minding your own business seems a much healthier attitude.

... until the biological male in the ladies changing room .....

Pierre 27-07-2023 08:59

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157270)
One could equally think it’s a much healthier attitude for the blokes to undress with the other blokes while minding their own business and women undress with the other women while minding theirs.

It’s an old fashioned point of view, but I agree.

tweetiepooh 27-07-2023 09:18

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
I worked at a hospital that had access to another hospitals sport and social club. This had sauna's in the changing rooms, one for each. The unit in the ladies often broke so they would come into our changing room to use ours. For most this was no problem but some ladies would complain that there were naked men in the men's changing room. I'd bet that if the men's sauna broke, men would be less welcome in the ladies.

Sephiroth 27-07-2023 11:14

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36157319)
I worked at a hospital that had access to another hospitals sport and social club. This had sauna's in the changing rooms, one for each. The unit in the ladies often broke so they would come into our changing room to use ours. For most this was no problem but some ladies would complain that there were naked men in the men's changing room. I'd bet that if the men's sauna broke, men would be less welcome in the ladies.

Which just proves the point that men and women are biologically different, no matter what the pronoun and they behave as such..

Mr K 27-07-2023 11:39

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157321)
Which just proves the point that men and women are biologically different, no matter what the pronoun and they behave as such..

I don't know, I know dome blokes that behave like women, and vice versa.

We're all different you should value diversity or we'd all be very boring ;)

K (Mr) (he/him)

jfman 27-07-2023 11:48

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157323)
I don't know, I know dome blokes that behave like women, and vice versa.

We're all different you should value diversity or we'd all be very boring ;)

K (Mr) (he/him)

Behaving like a woman doesn’t make you a woman. Just like playing Oppenheimer doesn’t make Cillian Murphy a nuclear physicist.

There’s valuing diversity (if someone wants to wear a dress or trousers who am I to judge?) and streamrollering the rights of biological females to favour a small number of individuals who, based on the limited evidence available at this stage, could merely be mentally ill biological males.

Sephiroth 27-07-2023 11:53

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157323)
I don't know, I know dome blokes that behave like women, and vice versa.

We're all different you should value diversity or we'd all be very boring ;)

K (Mr) (he/him)

... except when using the toilet for #1s.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157324)
Behaving like a woman doesn’t make you a woman. Just like playing Oppenheimer doesn’t make Cillian Murphy a nuclear physicist.

There’s valuing diversity (if someone wants to wear a dress or trousers who am I to judge?) and streamrollering the rights of biological females to favour a small number of individuals who, based on the limited evidence available at this stage, could merely be mentally ill biological males.

Sounds about right.

Mr K 27-07-2023 12:17

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
We always have been too obsessed with toilets in this country.

TheDaddy 27-07-2023 12:26

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36157330)
We always have been too obsessed with toilets in this country.

and rightly so, you don't build an empire the size of ours without setting the threshold high for bum cleanliness

GrimUpNorth 27-07-2023 12:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36157326)
... except when using the toilet for #1s.

You've obviously not been out drinking round here.

Mad Max 27-07-2023 20:52

Re: When does being “woke” go too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36157270)
One could equally think it’s a much healthier attitude for the blokes to undress with the other blokes while minding their own business and women undress with the other women while minding theirs.

spot on.:clap::clap:


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