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I’d be more worried about the Tories doing parents for child abuse if they don’t pay for them to undergo unproven and irreversible medical treatments to “transition”.

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Then you are blind. Sep imo is 100% correct. I have seen it coming a long time. I think it is inevitable and we are far to soft in this country to deal with it.

Crime in my area is increasing and they are becoming more and more brazen

As a Christian I struggle to come to terms with my thoughts on this on one side I be tolerant but on my other shoulder is the Devil and evidence shows me the Devil is winning and not only in my mind on subjects like this

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All I see is scapegoating of minorities.

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You do seem to obsess a bit about this sort of thing. Let's face it, it's not the first time you've told us we're all doomed yet here we still are listening to you going over the same old Conservative scare tactics.

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Yeah the same old Conservative scare tactics probably because they are 20-25 points behind in the polls and because Sunak is actually more unpopular then Boris.

Then add on that nothing is working anymore in this country is it any surprise that they are adopting these type of politically extreme tactics.

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Underfunding public services is dangerous.

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Definite whiff of the Great Replacement Theory here. Lovely

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Ever since 2010 and onwards.

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But we're a lovely country who have a proud history of welcoming productive migrants, ever since the Windrush boat in 1948. Never seen any problem myself, most bother coming from the far right populace.

Anyway if you don't want Europeans then we need migrants from somewhere as we're an increasingly old and non productive nation, who arent having enough kids. You get what you vote for.

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I’ll worry about France when Andrew Neil comes back.

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It's everything to do with the Conservatives and their fortunes, all they've got left is the war on woke and stopping the boats

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What’s dangerous is the sheep that fall for this messaging every single time. This country is being mugged but it’s energy companies, water companies, banks and everyone else that ploughs money into both major parties to look the other way.

Even the Conservatives have proven, time and again, that they’re not serious about stopping migration. It’s just a useful dog whistle so people look the other way while they plunder the states coffers.

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100% Correct imo , Seph, well said.

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Well that's the kiss of death to your theory Seph! :D

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The French police kill an Algerian kid and the North Africans/multiculturalism is dangerous?

Did the policeman admit that killed the kid because it was Algerian?

Will the UK police start killing Arab (pick an ethnic group) kids and that will lead to riots/civil war here?

????

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Perhaps you need an eye test ;)

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Well they've ignored Stephen Lawrence being murdered and others no doubt so are effectively guilty of that

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:tu:

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We're not the same as France. We don't have these completely separate communities tucked away in poverty-stricken suburbs. You find areas of London where one demographic is more prominent but they are otherwise in the same London, mixing with the rest of the city and the city mixing with them. They are not in long-ignored tower blocks on the outskirts of London. Poor quality housing exists across London and not exclusively in one area that is inhabited by any one demographic. We simply do not have the same tensions bubbling under the surface.

We also have a much less militaristic police so these flash points are not only less likely to occur but also don't have the same level of resentment to build up.

Disenfranchisement is far more dangerous. If people don't feel they have any future or any stake in society then don't be surprised if they don't care for it.

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Nor do we have recent memories of a very dirty war to hold against people

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I spent a lot of time over the years in France, most of it was in the missus' hometown of Argenteuil, a Paris suburb.

It was a quiet place with a mix of French, Algerians and smaller numbers of Polish and Portuguese. There was the very occasional police presence when drugs started to be sold, but generally it was a low crime area.

Then the Sub-Saharan and Middle East types started to arrive. The legal migrants were in the most part well-integrated as they came from French Overseas Territories, and had the legal right to live and work in France.

But the illegal arrivals soon started to break the community spirit. I saw shops turning islamic as the original owners were forced out by threats and attacks. Within about 5 years, the demographics of the whole town had flipped to a majority muslim, and they were not playing by French society's rules and laws. Even the muslim Algerians started to move out.

My brother-in-law followed many others who had moved away

Arrests were made after the Bataclan terrorist attack in Paris. The raid was 150m from where my BIL and future wife had lived in Argenteuil.

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Can we not just get the Polish construction workers (that are presumably beyond critical mass some fifteen years later) to sort them out if they kick off?

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It's not talking around the problem, it's saying why riots are much more common in France.

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People just don’t seem to be able to draw lessons from the mistakes of others, do they? You rightly pointed out that if we get to the same critical mass, our country could go the same way, and the response is we’re different - we’re not there yet.

Unbelievable.

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For someone who over indulges in the soup of British exceptionalism on a regular basis, I’m surprised at your approach here.

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Surely it’s the Conservatives open door policy on immigration that’s the problem?

Illegal immigration barely touches the sides of our population growth, let along the headline population figure as a whole.

With the best will in the world they are playing you both like a fiddle.

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Do change the record, jfman.

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The only records round here is the broken records of failed Conservative policy.

Multiculturalism is here and irreversible. This Government isn’t going to change that.

The birth rate where at least one parent wasn’t born in the UK is disproportionately higher than those that where both were. Poland, Pakistan, Romania, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Somalia accounting for the most (by nationality of mother).

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Multiple cultures are here and are irreversible.

Multiculturalism, where these disparate cultures all get along together under the umbrella of a nation state?……………………not so much.

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I stand corrected.

I was not aware that the Algerian kid was a "criminal". The kid had no criminal record because the police did not prosecute him for umpteen crimes.

Also, I was not aware that the kid started the engine and tried to hit the cop (maybe, maybe not). The kid's friend, sitting in the back said that the kid's foot slipped on the gas petal accidently, because the second policeman was hitting him.....
Self-defence ? I dunno.

But, I am concerned of this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk

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I'm confused by bewildered Brexiters on this thread bemoaning the increase in multi-culturalism since Brexit. :confused:

If you want the UK to be able to recruit the best talent from around the world and not just from the EU, then this is a natural consequence of deploying our Brexit freedoms.

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As I pointed out over two years ago, when you previously started a thread about the same subject…

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What religion are Algerians?

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Sunni Muslims apparently (over 99%).

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I’ve done my best to STFU in this thread but reading through it I just can’t hold it in anymore.

Multiculturalism is not a bad thing. Neither is it a good thing.

It is simply a “thing”. It happens. It goes on and pretty much always has done in this country to varying degrees but of course it only becomes a ‘problem’ when those pesky brown people ‘come over here and cause problems’.

Firstly multiculturalism has been part of the UK for centuries. For example if you’re a big-city dweller and you went and lived in the mountains and valleys of deepest darkest mid-Wales you’d experience some real cultural shifts. Someone going the opposite direct would too.

This knife culture by certain urban chavs is virtually unheard of where I live (near Swansea).

Imagine someone who had lived in the Shetland isles all their life moving to Peckham. Or Soho. Or Knightsbridge. Or vice versa.

Multiculturalism has happens in this country probably ever since the Romans turned up. Maybe even before.

It really grinds my gears when someone from a culturally-different country to the UK gets arrested/prosecuted and people comment on his/her heritage. What’s the problem, do you demand ALL criminals in the UK be white and third-generation British only?? You get crime gangs in just about every city in the work, here included.

And if you’re one of the types who has particular vitriol saved especially for those who come from “brown” countries then you and I have a BIG problem.

Do I expect you to care? Course not, block me on here, job done.

And no, I’m no virtue signalling hand-wringing lefty. As some of you know my son is half Indian so is clearly not white. I don’t get along with his British Indian mother anymore (other than cordial discussions about our son) but I would defend her to the death if she was getting crap off people due to her perceived ‘culture’ (for the record she doesn’t even consider herself Indian. Sure she has the skin tone and features but feels about as Indian as I do).

Her parents however were immigrants, worked hard all their lives and paid their taxes, my son’s maternal grandfather only recently having to need to call on the NHS. In their home they maintain Indian culture just as they should be allowed to.

But have they, or any of their children/grandchildren caused any ‘multicultural’ problem? A big ‘eff no’. And during the 4/5 years I lived in Leicester with her did I ever encounter any problems caused by multiculturalism? NO.

Am I suggesting that all those coming to this country are angels? Of course not. But would stopping them coming seriously reduce crime? Saying yes to that is about as believable as anything that comes from Boris’ gob.

Rant over.

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The "umpteen crimes" were ‘failing to comply with traffic stop orders’…

https://news.sky.com/story/he-didnt-...rance-12912081

But, tbf, the French Police have form on this…

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...431.00)%20fine.

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:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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I already knew (thank you Paul for trying to be helpful though)

I'm no expert on the matter but rather than it being North African cultural differences causing riots I'd say it's more to do with a very dirty war fought for independence within a sizeable chunk of the French populations living memory and the conditions immigrant Algerians live in, segregated & to a degree persecuted, it's to easy to blame multiculturalism, it saves you having to look in the mirror and deal with the real underlying issues, certainly in this specific case

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Maybe...

Killing_of_Nahel_Merzouk

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https://www.nouvelobs.com/faits-dive...des-faits.html

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There's an interesting article in the FT talking about the similarities between Britain and France. One thing it mentions is how good the statistical data is in the UK so that we can target spend appropriately whereas in France it's open to more anecdotal direction.

The article concludes
Google: "When it comes to counting, Britain is number one"
https://www.ft.com/content/e276e8aa-...3-17fc62cca79e

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Good article that!

There are some fundamental differences between France and the UK that also come in to play here. Modern France was born of revolution of course and the French culture stems from this. There are two guiding principles from post-revolution times that have the potential to cause conflict. First is that France and the French are one and the same - the country was born from the people. This works both ways so if you are born in France, you are expected to act ‘French’ with no excuses or leeway. Questioning the accepted and expected behaviours is questioning the country itself. This leads to tensions where freedom to act and express yourself in a ‘non French’ way is regarded as a direct affront on the country. It’s not just race and religion here - see how vigorously the French work to defend themselves against the influence of the anglosphere.

The second strand is France being an extremely secular country. Expression of religion is not encouraged. Compare this with the US for example where you would never see an atheist president. In France, an overtly religious president would be very unlikely. Following on from my first point, being openly religious is just not French. This is what lead to the burqa ban in France as the burqa is a clear symbol of religious affiliation. Due to secularism, the state does not fund religious institutions of course. However, there is funding for the grand cathedrals of France for preservation so there is a kind of funding for Christian places of worship through the back door.

Secularism is all well and good (I am very much atheist so have no skin in the game) but if it impacts some religious groups more than others, those groups will feel unfairly marginalised.

France is an unusual country where equality but on French terms stokes division rather than bringing people together. You could indeed argue that not enough multiculturalism is causing the problems in France rather than too much.

Sorry, long post! I find the French culture and attitudes fascinating since I read ‘Sixty Million Frenchmen Can’t Be Wrong: What Make the French So French’ by Jean-Benoit Nadeau 20 years ago

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Multiculturalism largely works in the UK amd has done for hundreds of years. The question is can it work in France?

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It worked, by and large, because the influx of immigrants was low and steady.

The levels now are too high. We, literally, have nowhere to put them.

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My feeling is that the UK is relatively tolerant as we tend to be a private group of people. The phrase ‘an Englishman’s home is his castle’ looms large. What we do in our private lives is private and, as long as no one gets hurt, we all respect this. This even extends to how we interact with each other. We are much more likely to meet each other in public than in each others homes. I love the saying that the pub is Englands front room.

We are all individuals with less of a sense of belonging to a group than some other countries. Interestingly, some of our most celebrated events in history are ones where we did all come together - two world wars and one World Cup and so on…

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Not sure i agree with you on that statement, certain areas of the UK have high population density, overall though, the country i don't believe is 'full'.

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Spoken like a true pound shop Enoch Powell

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Population density wasn't my point, we don't have the actual physical buildings to put them in. We already have shortage of housing.

We are spending £6.8 Million per day on hotel rooms for migrants.

https://www.ein.org.uk/news/one-thir...fewer%20people.

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Then there's obviously room as you've just admitted, it's just the way/price that they're being housed that you don't like?

Perhaps the archaic planning laws or regulations should be reviewed ?

Also, it's 5.6 million per day on hotels & a further £1.2 million spent on bridging accommodation for Afghan refugees which is via legal resettlement.

^^ according to full fact.org

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100%

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They’ll never solve housing in this country because it’s a commodity people borrow against, so there’s significant interest in keeping supply low and prices high.

If there was scope for temporary housing for refugees we’d only privatise it anyway and pay more to a landlord than we do for hotels. Probably sell it off to a a party donor and rent it back like they do with those shiny Government hubs going up everywhere.

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Since your original post stated that North African culture (and it’s, in your eyes, antipathy to British culture (whatever that is)) is the problem, what is the number of North Africans in this country that you estimate to be a "critical mass"?

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Could you define exactly what 'our culture' is?

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If by "them", you mean North African migrants, what number do you believe to be a critical mass?

For instance, in France, the number is around 10% of the population originated in, or are descended from people from, North Africa.

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But this is Government policy, I thought you would understand this. They have effectively closed down the processing system so that this scenario will happen and, by design, generate the "red meat" to those who find helping asylum seekers unpalatable.

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It’s a mish mash going all the way back to the Romans,Vikings and Normans just for starters.

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Indeed as you can add the Anglo Saxons to that mish mash as well.

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So we're all immigrants, and multicultural, apart from the native Celts who should chuck us out ! We have made a mess of the place after all.

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To be a pedant, if you believe in evolution over creation we all evolved from the scientific "Eve" and migrated from Africa and if you believe in Creation again we come from Eve and migrated from Eden (or whatever creationist faith you hold)

however over the millennia those invaded tried to defend their culture so why shouldn't we? and I do believe our culture is being eroded away from the inside. In my lifetime alone the very meaning of Racism has changed to suit now a Caucasian can be racist to another Caucasian apparently and so on

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So that would be multicultural then

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Is it balls as like a good point, the human race has progressed significantly over the millennia and we should know better, perhaps you would still like to live in caves and hunt for your food.

I’d have a lot more time for you and your ilk if you would admit that’s it not multiculturalism that you have an issue with it’s people of varying shades of brown and the religion that you assume comes with those skin tones

But you won’t, as you’re intrinsically cowards at heart

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Except for the small, but extremely relevant, fact we are not being invaded…

Anyway, back to the question I have asked twice, and is the basis for your concerns/fears from your OP - what number do you believe to be a critical mass?

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I suspect more than 5 brown faces in Waitrose Wokingham would do it for the OP.

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So I suppose you should be asking for the thread title to be changed to Multiculturalism might be dangerous or might not.

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There are two f’s in coffee, not one…

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Thank God it is, otherwise public services would collapse. Brits are too busy claiming benefits or taking early retirement to do the essential jobs.
#brokenbritain ( and you know what I blame for that....) .

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Protesting is a Public Service now ? :dozey:

You ? ;)

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There’s no doctors, or other people wanting to do public service jobs coming across on those boats.

All I see is future criminals, benefit claimants and maybe, just maybe the odd taxi driver. If we’re lucky.

I don’t foresee see any of the boat people doing essential jobs, unless running drugs and harassing young girls is classed as an Essential job.

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The thread us about multi culturism, not boat people. It's xenophobia that is causing much of the countries problems. Went have to the Dr's, opticians and hospital this week, all staffed by 'foreigners'. Just aswell really or we'd be truly up sh@t creek. It's due to the 'sunlit uplands' I'm told. You get what you vote for. Enjoy.

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It’s not the boat people causing the problems in this country it’s the yacht people.

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Fantastic mate!

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The yacht people are less inclined to behead me. They may fleece me but I’ll escape with my head intact.

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All vegetables in the same stew.

You’re right, the recent additions seem to hate us.

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I’m not sure beheading is that big a thing in the UK. Or anywhere actually.

My guess, and it’s only that, is the most likely way the head detaches from the body to cause death is an air strike. Again, more common elsewhere than the UK.

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Have there been many decapitations in Halifax?

Let's hope whoever is performing a heart bypass on you one day doesn't know you called them a 'vegetable'... However suspect your heart was bypassed long ago.

The hate seems to be coming from you and the OP....

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Quite big in Gaza, short memories, it’s so popular there they exported it to Israel and insisted they try it.

They recommend it so much , they insist everybody tries it. Men, women, children, babies.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Isis, Taliban, Boko Haram are all fine purveyors of the product, and their local agents will soon be in your area and are willing to meet your needs.

That’s another way, but that’s not deliberate enough. You want to be looking at the baby when you kill it, not from a screen vis a drone air strike.

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I have my doubts the boat people are as deranged as the thinking in this thread tbh.

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Give it time.

Had a wonderful Indian lady consultant perform eye surgery on me a couple of years ago. I don’t know what it was about her but I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be shouting for Jihad any time soon.

I’m 100% in support of anyone of any background coming here the right way legally and making a life here. I’m 100% against the boat people.

The “hate” and we’re it’s coming from, is very evident on these pro-Hamas demonstrations.

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You got that right.

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So multi culturism is a good thing and the OPs assertions are baloney? Glad we sorted that one out. ( mind you what if that Indian lady was Muslim?)

This thread isn't about about boat people , again, btw.... If it is maybe the title should be changed.

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My son is mixed race. His mother is British Indian and her parents are Indian immigrants.

For 4 years I lived in Leicester, one of the most multicultural cities in the UK. No one ever gave me hassle (other than my son’s mother when she’d go off on one of her usual strops).

I’m failing to see which part of this multiculturalism is “bad” or “dangerous”.

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Why are YOU being so obtuse with the title of YOUR thread? You ought to have added ”Some Multiculturalism is dangerous”.

Or does it not work that way?