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cupcakes aka dd 27-06-2023 17:39

Digital landline
 
So if VM are getting everyone to plug their landlines into the hub how does that work if it’s in modem mode. Will it still work?

BenMcr 27-06-2023 20:05

Re: Digital landline
 
Simple answer, yes.

cupcakes aka dd 28-06-2023 10:03

Re: Digital landline
 
Thanks

Itshim 19-07-2023 17:18

Re: Digital landline
 
Been advised of switch in Oct , note on letter.can cancel without charge if I don't want it.

peanut 19-07-2023 17:20

Re: Digital landline
 
What are the benefits for going digital and do you still have to pay line rental if choose to go digital?

Mr K 19-07-2023 17:37

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36156599)
What are the benefits for going digital and do you still have to pay line rental if choose to go digital?

No benefits, just cons, if your BB/hub is down so will the phone be. Having a separate independent phone connection is better.

Yes, they'll still charge the same.

peanut 19-07-2023 17:40

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36156601)
No benefits, just cons, if your BB/hub is down so will the phone be. Having a separate independent phone connection is better.

Yes, they'll still charge the same.

Sod that then, will try and decline as well.

Thanks.

Mr K 19-07-2023 17:46

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36156602)
Sod that then, will try and decline as well.

Thanks.

You can try but think they are steamrolling it through whatever. However if you have an SH2 they can't do it , so holding onto mine ;)

pip08456 19-07-2023 20:47

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36156598)
Been advised of switch in Oct , note on letter.can cancel without charge if I don't want it.

If you cancel but where are you going to? Openreach are in the process of swtcihing everyone to digital phone connections. It will all end in 2025.

You cannot cling onto something that willl no longer exist no matter what hub you have.

Worthy of note. BT and some other suppliers force you to use there own routers to take advantage of their digital phone offerings, best to port your number to a third party one if you need to keep your number and use your own equioment.

Mr_K can keep his SH2 but won't keep his phone line.

Peanut can decline but will end up not having a phone service. Good result!

peanut 19-07-2023 21:14

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36156629)
If you cancel but where are you going to? Openreach are in the process of swtcihing everyone to digital phone connections. It will all end in 2025.

You cannot cling onto something that willl no longer exist no matter what hub you have.

Worthy of note. BT and some other suppliers force you to use there own routers to take advantage of their digital phone offerings, best to port your number to a third party one if you need to keep your number and use your own equioment.

Mr_K can keep his SH2 but won't keep his phone line.

Peanut can decline but will end up not having a phone service. Good result!

Seems like we won't have a choice then. Saying that, I only use the landline to call 150 once every 18 months. I'm old and I don't like change.

Halcyon 20-07-2023 09:49

Re: Digital landline
 
Do people even use a land line still? I just use my mobile.

Chris 20-07-2023 10:28

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36156675)
Do people even use a land line still? I just use my mobile.

Yes, but only because I work from home and need a public landline number for ‘business’ purposes. And also because my mother in law is still averse to calling mobile numbers if she can possibly help it. We have a digital landline from BT on our FTTH for something like an extra £5 a month, which work pays for.

Mr K 20-07-2023 13:06

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36156675)
Do people even use a land line still? I just use my mobile.

An emergency and your mobile is out of battery, no signal or credit or you cant find the thing ?
Always wise to have a landline, if only as a back up.

Chris 20-07-2023 13:15

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36156708)
An emergency and your mobile is out of battery, no signal or credit or you cant find the thing ?
Always wise to have a landline, if only as a back up.

Digital landlines don’t work that way, because they require the router to be powered. There’s no current flowing in a fibre-optic line. If you’re a vulnerable person you can apply to have a battery backup installed on the router. If you’re not you can buy one. I imagine very few people do.

Mr K 20-07-2023 15:05

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36156712)
Digital landlines don’t work that way, because they require the router to be powered. There’s no current flowing in a fibre-optic line. If you’re a vulnerable person you can apply to have a battery backup installed on the router. If you’re not you can buy one. I imagine very few people do.

That's why this a dowgrade of the phone service. It may save costs for VM, but its not in the customer's interest. 'Digital' doesn't always mean better or more robust.

admars 20-07-2023 15:19

Re: Digital landline
 
my parents had no broadband or tv, just a phone from virgin, (years ago videotron for tv and phone)

as they had no broadband, Virgin came and installed a hub, so they have to use that for phone now.

they took the opportunity to get broadband as well, but they didn't have to.

BenMcr 21-07-2023 13:21

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36156719)
It may save costs for VM, but its not in the customer's interest. 'Digital' doesn't always mean better or more robust.

Kit that runs the analogue phone services for cable isn't made any more. So it's a case of either move customers to digital Hub-based lines or stop offering landline services completely as / when the analogue hardware stops working.

Sirius 21-07-2023 17:57

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36156675)
Do people even use a land line still? I just use my mobile.

I dont and i am debating if i should just unplug the phone and not use it anymore.

Itshim 21-07-2023 18:55

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36156629)
If you cancel but where are you going to? Openreach are in the process of swtcihing everyone to digital phone connections. It will all end in 2025.

You cannot cling onto something that willl no longer exist no matter what hub you have.

Worthy of note. BT and some other suppliers force you to use there own routers to take advantage of their digital phone offerings, best to port your number to a third party one if you need to keep your number and use your own equioment.

Mr_K can keep his SH2 but won't keep his phone line.

Peanut can decline but will end up not having a phone service. Good result!

Firstly I can't recall when I last used a landline. Have stated many times I wish I could get rid of it with a reduction in cost .Just pointing out that " you" can cancel your contract , should you are want for what ever reason to but are tied in . Why someone would is of cause Upto them. ( Cheaper deal else were comes to mind of cause)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36156850)
I dont and i am debating if i should just unplug the phone and not use it anymore.

Pulled mine out, stopped the pests calling.

Mad Max 29-07-2023 19:18

Re: Digital landline
 
Virgin's VoIP service is garbage, I was told that the phone cutting out in mid-call was due to a weak signal coming into our property, this was duly fixed as I was also having pixelation issues on the TV, but it's still doing the same with the phone cutting out after a few minutes and also sounding like there is an echo whilst speaking.

Mr K 29-07-2023 21:13

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36157492)
Virgin's VoIP service is garbage, I was told that the phone cutting out in mid-call was due to a weak signal coming into our property, this was duly fixed as I was also having pixelation issues on the TV, but it's still doing the same with the phone cutting out after a few minutes and also sounding like there is an echo whilst speaking.

It's as I thought. As far as phonelines are concerned, digital/voip is a downgrade.

Frazz 30-07-2023 12:25

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36156599)
What are the benefits for going digital and do you still have to pay line rental if choose to go digital?

Can't think of any benefits other than cutting costs as if your broadband goes down or theirs a power cut you have no phone line

nffc 30-07-2023 13:20

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazz (Post 36157544)
Can't think of any benefits other than cutting costs as if your broadband goes down or theirs a power cut you have no phone line

Well, the times that neither of those happen means that you can get phone connectivity with no additional cabling or kit required anywhere other than in VM's network hubs or the wire plugging your phone into the existing super hubs.


All they'll need is a phone system which supports VOIP connections over the existing data network as opposed to separate phone infrastructure, landline cabling etc into each property.


Much easier to maintain if something goes wrong.


I think part of the solution for power cuts involves giving customers a back up battery like a UPS for their phone or even a backup handset which essentially works as a mobile phone and can be used in events that there is no power, and there's nothing stopping getting the phone and superhub connected via a UPS in the event of shorter outages (though ones lasting several hours will probably exhaust most UPS batteries too).



Broadband being down is different but then there could always be the option via a SIM to switch connectivity to mobile data - more routers should offer this really.

Paul 30-07-2023 13:54

Re: Digital landline
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazz (Post 36157544)
Can't think of any benefits other than cutting costs as if your broadband goes down or theirs a power cut you have no phone line

Thats what mobile phones are for.


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