July 4th changes
 

Virgin Media has reveal on "What's on Virgin TV" on Channel 998 that FROM July 4th 2023 the following will happen:

*Some Entertainment channels will be move to new home to bring them all together.
*ALL Entertainment +1 hour channels will be easier to find.
*Music channels will be move to new homes.

NOTE: At time of posting I have seen no info on list of channel changes.

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So two posts with non news

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More information on what will happen on July 4th on Virgin Media UK will start to come out tomorrow as all TV Books for next week are out.

I hope things dont get worse......

Please keep us informed :)

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UPDATE:

*UKTV has reveal that Ailbi HD will move to Channel 114.
*UKTV has reveal that Drama HD will move to Channel 116.

*UKTV has reveal that Eden HD will move to Channel 176.
*Virgin Media is set to merge Factual and Lifestyle into Entertainment from July 4th.

*The majority of Documentaries and Lifestyle channels will be in the range of Channels 176 to 200.
*Music channels will be moved to channels 280 to 300.

*E4 Extra will still grouped in the Music genre.
*Plus 1 channels will have their own section from channel 301 to 399.

*Virgin Ultra HD will move from channel 228 to 175.

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Received email from VM. 86 channels are changing.

Doesn't look like they've updated the channel list in the link they gave.

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Here is the list of confirmed changes that I can reveal as of today.

Entertainment:
100. Virgin Media Showcase
101. BBC ONE HD
102. BBC TWO HD
103. ITV1 HD
103. STV HD
103. UTV HD
104. Channel 4 HD (Not in Wales)
104. S4C HD (Wales only)
105. Channel 5 HD
114. Ailbi HD
116. Drama HD
175. Virgin Media UHD
176. Eden HD

Entertainment (+1 Hour):
303. ITV1 +1
303. STV +1
303. UTV +1
304. Channel 4 +1 (Not in Wales)
305. Channel 5 +1
308. Channel 4 +1 (Wales only)
314. Ailbi +1
316. Drama +1
376. Eden +1

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Email from vm

We just wanted to let you know that on 4th July, we’re updating the numbers of 86 channels on all our TV boxes.

We’ll be moving our best-loved entertainment and music channels further up the TV guide, and grouping +1 channels together, so they’re all easier to find.

These changes will happen automatically, so you don’t need to do anything. And don’t worry – none of this will affect your recordings or Series Link+.

From the 4th July make sure to check out the complete list of changes to your channel guide here.

Happy watching,
The Virgin Media team

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To be clear, this is the contents of an email ?

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I got that email just after 6.

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Everyone did…

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Has anyone got a screenshot of next week’s EPG changes? A few friends have VM, but struggle with emails. I’ve also got Sky, so will struggle to help them.

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I do but I am not allow to post in full.

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I can now reveal that all of the folllowing will stay on their EPG numbers after July 4th:

100. Virgin Media Showcase
101. BBC ONE HD
102. BBC TWO HD
103. ITV1 HD
103. STV HD
103. UTV HD
104. Channel 4 HD (Not in Wales)
104. S4C HD (Wales only)
105. Channel 5 HD
106. E4 HD
107. BBC THREE HD (England and Northern Ireland only)
107. BBC FOUR HD (Scotland and Wales only)
108. BBC FOUR HD (England and Northern Ireland only)
108. BBC Scotland HD (Scotland only)
108. Channel 4 HD (Wales only)
109. Sky Showcase HD
110. Sky Witness HD
111. Sky Max HD
112. Sky Comedy HD
113. BBC THREE HD (Scotland and Wales only)
115. ITV2 HD
117. ITV3 HD
118. ITV4 HD
119. ITVBe HD
120. BBC ALBA HD (Scotland only)
121. Sky Crime HD
122. Sky Sci-Fi HD
123. Sky Arts HD
124. GOLD HD
125. W HD
127. Dave HD
128. Really
129. YESTERDAY HD
132. Comedy Central HD
134. MTV HD
135. Pick
139. Challenge
140. Sky Arts
147. More4 HD
148. CBS Reality
149. Legend
154. Comedy Central Extra
156. Sky Replay
159. Local TV Channels (Not in Scotland)
160. E! HD
161. BBC ALBA HD (England, Wales and Northern Ireland only)
162. BBC Scotland HD (England, Wales and Northern Ireland only)

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I find it incredibly hard to imagine there’s any commercial sensitivity in this.

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Here is the list of channels that are set to move from July 4th:

https://mediaboyukblog.blogspot.com/...nges-what.html

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Quite but the fact is that Virgin have gone to the trouble of e-mailing everyone about the changes without providing a list of the changes. The only guidance being to check the online guide on July 4th, which won't really be necessary as the changes will be available for all to see on the EPG by that point. Says it all really...

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Due to the information being reported on DS Forum I can now confirmed that S4C HD (Outside Wales) will move to Channel 164 on July 4th.

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This is certainly going to revolutionise my life.

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Due to the information being reported on Clean Feed I can now confirmed that PBS America will move to Channel 187 on July 4th.

https://cleanfeed.thetvroom.com/1807...ges-next-week/

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I must admit, I don’t get this obsession with channel numbers.

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Due to Cleanfeed and Digital Spy posting new channel numbers for PBS America and S4C UK wide I will reveal Entertainment or Music or Entertainment +1 at 4pm today on my blog @ https://mediaboyukblog.blogspot.com/

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Virgin are certainly spoiling us all at the moment :rolleyes:

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People will remember the channel number rather than plough through the EPG searching for it. At least if the +1 channels are to be grouped together, it will make it easier to find a +1 channel using the EPG.

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More July 4th changes confirmed:

*5USA moved to channel 120/320 outside Scotland^
*5STAR moved to channel 126/326
*5ACTION HD moved to channel 130
*Crime & Investigation HD moved to channel 131/331
*Sky HISTORY HD moved to channel 133/333
*Together TV moved to channel 136
*Quest HD moved to channel 137/337
*5SELECT moved to channel 138
*TLC HD moved to channel 165/365
*ID moved to channel 166/366
*Quest Red moved to channel 168/368
*DMAX moved to channel 169/369
*GREAT! tv moved to channel 170
*Horror Xtra moved to channel 171/371
*Reality Xtra moved to channel 172
*Blaze moved to channel 174

^5USA and 5USA +1's Channel numbers in Scotland is unknown at time of posting.

I haven't been given pemission yet to post a new channel numbers from July 4th in full but I will reveal the Documentaries numbers from Saturday at 4pm than the rest on Sunday at 4pm unless I am permitted to publish the full list before times given.

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This is the complete list. You will also find information on Virgin channel 998.

New number. Channel name. Old number. New number. Channelname. Old number

114 Alibi HD 126 288 Kiss 338
116 Drama HD 130 289 Magic TV 340
120 5 USA 153 290 Kerrang 342
126 5 STAR 151 291 Vevo 344
130 5ACTION HD 150 292 Clubland 345
131 Crime+Inv HD 198 293 Now 70s 346
133 Sky History HD 270 294 Now 80s 347
136 Together TV 269 295 Now Rock 348
137 Quest HD 169 303 ITV +1 114
138 5 Select 152 304 4 +1 Eng 142
164 S4C 166 305 5 +1 155
165 TLC HD 167 306 E4 +1 146
166 ID 168 310 Sky Witness +1 163
168 Quest Red 170 314 Alibi +1 191
169 DMAX 171 315 ITV 2 +1 116
170 Great! TV 189 316 Drama +1 226
171 Horror Xtra 192 317 ITV 3 +1 174
172 Reality Xtra 197 318 ITV 4 +1 175
174 BLAZE 199 319 ITVBe +1 120
175 Virgin Ultra HD 228 320 5 USA +1 185
176 Eden HD 245 321 Sky Crime +1 164
177 Discovery HD 250 324 Gold +1 194
178 Animal Planet HD 251 325 W +1 190
179 Discovery Science 252 326 5 STAR +1 186
180 Discovery Turbo 256 327 Dave Ja Vu 131
181 Discovery History 257 329 Yesterday +1 217
182 Nat Geo Wild HD 265 331 Crime + Investigation +1 222
183 National Geographic HD 266 332 Comedy Central +1 133
186 Sky History 2 HD 272 333 Sky History +1 271
187 PBS America 273 337 Quest +1 213
188 Sky Documentaries HD 277 347 More 4 +1 196
189 Sky Nature HD 278 348 CBS Reality +1 218
190 Food Network 285 365 TLC +1 172
191 HGTV 286 366 ID +1 173
192 God TV 292 369 DMAX +1 214
280 MTV Music 310 371 Horror Xtra +1 219
281 MTV Live HD 311 376 Eden +1 246
282 MTV Hits 312 377 Discovery +1 258
283 MTV 90s 313 378 Animal Planet +1 259
284 MTV 80s 316 379 Discovery Science +1 260
285 The Box 335 381 Discovery History +1 261
286 4Music 336 383 National Geograpic +1 267
287 E4 Extra 337 391 HGTV +1 290

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New channel numbers from July 4th are now on the Virgin Media forum and are as follows;

114 Alibi HD
116 Drama HD
120 5 USA
126 5 STAR
130 5ACTION HD
131 Crime + Investigation HD
133 Sky History HD
136 Together TV
137 Quest HD
138 5 Select
164 S4C
165 TLC HD
166 ID
168 Quest Red
169 DMAX
170 Great! TV
171 Horror Xtra
172 Reality Xtra
174 BLAZE
175 Virgin Ultra HD
176 Eden HD
177 Discovery HD
178 Animal Planet HD
179 Discovery Science
180 Discovery Turbo
181 Discovery History
182 Nat Geo Wild HD
183 National Geographic HD
186 Sky History 2 HD
187 PBS America
188 Sky Documentaries HD
189 Sky Nature HD
190 Food Network
191 HGTV
192 God TV
280 MTV Music
281 MTV Live HD
282 MTV Hits
283 MTV 90s
284 MTV 80s
285 The Box
286 4Music
287 E4 Extra
288 Kiss
289 Magic TV
290 Kerrang
291 Vevo
292 Clubland
293 Now 70s
294 Now 80s
295 Now Rock
303 ITV +1
304 4 +1 England
305 5 +1
306 E4 +1
310 Sky Witness +1
314 Alibi +1
315 ITV 2 +1
316 Drama +1
317 ITV 3 +1
318 ITV 4 +1
319 ITVBe +1
320 5 USA +1
321 Sky Crime +1
324 Gold +1
325 W +1
326 5 STAR +1
327 Dave Ja Vu
329 Yesterday +1
331 Crime + Investigation +1
332 Comedy Central +1
333 Sky History +1
337 Quest +1
347 More 4 +1
348 CBS Reality +1
365 TLC +1
366 ID +1
369 DMAX +1
371 Horror Xtra +1
376 Eden +1
377 Discovery +1
378 Animal Planet +1
379 Discovery Science +1
381 Discovery History +1
383 National Geograpic +1
391 HGTV +1

Some regional variations will continue to apply

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You know that they will have to kill you now :shocked:

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Can you post link for my Twitter feed.

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Looks like A+E Networks/Sky paid extra for better slots for Crime + Investigation and Sky History, with the spaces at 184 and 185

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Why didn't he get the e mail that most of us did.

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Is that the email that Virgin appears to have sent to some customers informing them of changes that took place around 6 months ago? I'm just going by what I've heard on the grapevine and haven't received that email - but informing customers of various changes several months after they happened doesn't seem to be very useful.

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It been confirmed on Cordbusters that 5USA will be on Channel 162 in Scotland from Tuesday.

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/virgin...nnels-shakeup/

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So it doesn't stay at Ch153 it gets an even worse position...and yet nothing is earmarked for Ch153. :confused:

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There also more gaps in 140s now aswell.

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Exactly what I was thinking. Unless Cordbusters have just assumed that it will use the same slot as ITVBe +1 used in Scotland. Very strange if they paid more for a better slot only to end up with a worse one in Scotland.

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Virgin do seem to like to keep gaps in the 140s.

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Can a Virgin Media worker confirm where 5USA will be in Scotland from Tuesday?

You can PM me if you do not want your name to be use on this thread.

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Guess it is, would explain so much duff information :(

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Just got word from a very good Media Boy UK source that 5USA WILL be on Channel 162 in Scotland from July 4th.

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:rolleyes: :no:

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I get annoyed when they seem to move your favourite channels every 6 months.

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With TV 360 and a profile, moving the channels around has no effect. Your chosen order stays the same.

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That’s right. If you want sophistication, you need the up to date technology and move on from your old faithful ways of the past.

Some people deal with change better than others. I’ve never looked back with my 360 box. Those initial problems people were talking about have disappeared.

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So it doesn't have those horrid big pictures and heavy reliance on picture tiles on the user interface anymore then OB?

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Can't say it bothers me , favourite channels is all I need couldn't say what most of the numbers are for them .know bbc1 , 2, itv and radio 4 that's it :erm:

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The series links are terrible.

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Why? Do you still have the 360? In the early days, the system was re-recording what you had already watched and could not distinguish between the new and repeated programmes. That has now been fixed.

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can i ask what the disadvantages are of the 360 vs the v6 now. there were a lot of negatives previously

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Yes and because there is no series link management nor can you series link something that's not in the guide. For instance, going from the V6 to the 360 is one utter nightmare. For example, I had over 100 series links on my V6, moving to the 360 means I've lost all of them and have to hope I'm lucky in catching when they are back on TV to set the series link.

If I had a V6 and it broke and got a replacement V6 then it's so much easier. It's a nightmare that the copy options is broke but that's another story, but at least you could search for all the shows you watched and set a series link regardless of if it was due on in 1 week or 6 months.

I'm not sure if this is still an issue or not, but if you are recording a series and it moves channel then the series link on the 360 won't pick it up and you miss it, I believe.

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Still saying no, been called twice saying do I want to change.bdont see any point.
Question fast forward , is it like the V6 etc the picture speeds up or is it a guessing game to skip ads , as in Netflix ( not ads but I rather skip car chases etc) sky go or catch up

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Not took much notice but I believe the picture speeds up, only problem is, it doesn't skip back a few seconds like the V6 when you hit play.

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There is no skip back like the V6 - but most ad breaks are fine on the 360 with a "go forward 4 minutes" - or "go forward 4 minutes 20 seconds" if their are bumpers around the ads.

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It's not, is it? It was broken for a long time, but TiVo fixed it last year.

"skip 4 minutes" also works

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ITV skip 4 minutes
Sky skip 5 minutes works a breeze

FF on the sky on-demand service is excellent. Better than TiVo as you can see where you are going rather than jumping blind

As for jump back, just press left arrow for 10 secs back.

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One of the things that irks me is I can no longer set individual tuners to particular channels and then swap between them and use rewind. I used this when watching multiple live sports and could switch between them and rewind if I’d missed something important.

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I use "go forward ..." as it is the same on SkyQ. :)

I tend to use "go ..." for channel changes too.

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Not too sure, thought it was still broke but maybe wrong.

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So skip is not much good don't like skip guessing. Have use that on sky on demand with the 360, so that sounds better, but on balance not an improvement for me :erm:

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Yes, you can retrieve programmes you have missed and no longer in the guide. Just use the search button, and when you’ve typed it in, select it and add it to your watch list.

Changing boxes is always a nightmare. I made a list of the programmes on my recordings and bookmarks before changing to the 360 and simply put the lot on my watchlist when the new software was uploaded.

As for the series link management option on the TiVo, I used to use this to take off the series links I no longer needed, but I realised after a while there was no need to do this. On the 360, if I no longer want to watch a programme I have on a series link, I just go to my recordings and delete the series link (it’s one of the options when pressing ok on the ‘bin’ symbol) or if it’s on the watchlist, just press the ‘…’ button on your remote control when on the picture of the programme you want to discard and choose ‘Remove from Watchlist’.

The specific functionality of the TiVo may not be available on the 360, but you can achieve more or less what you want on the 360, just in a different way.

It’s also worth mentioning that although the ‘wish list’ is not a feature available on the 360, it doesn’t have to be a scheduled programme to flag it up. Most stuff is available on a search, and even if it’s only currently available on the Virgin Media Store, you can still add it and when it comes up on a subscription service you are paying for (or indeed on a free service), that additional option will then show and you can view it by that method.

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I'm talking about actual new series for series links. The watch list won't pick up a new series and record it for you, like the series link did on the V6.

Changing boxes was never a nightmare, it copied your series links over on the website.


There is no way to see what series links you have set or not, were as on the V6, they were all there on one page.

You really can't, the series links is terrible if coming from the V6.

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Series link often seems to fail . doesn't pick up when new season starts not always but enough times.ie bake off professional had to go to catch up , to watch, said it had a link but didn't work:erm:

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I’m not sure I understand. Maybe there was a problem before, but it’s not there now. It picks up new series automatically, whether it’s via recordings or on demand using the watchlist.

Why would you want to gawp at all the series links you’ve set? Why is that important? Surely it’s only so you can see whether you have set a particular programme, but you can do that by selecting the programme and you will see that straight away.

I think there were quite a few niggles for early adopters, but it works very well now. Obviously, it won’t work exactly the same as the TiVos, but it’s a different system with some of the features under copyright. You will get the same problem with any other system.

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Was that recently, Itshim? If so, could there have been a reason for it not recording (eg power cut or someone pulling the plug out when it was starting?). Maybe your box needed a reboot at the time.

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Watchlist isn't series link. You're talking about something totally different. If I want to record Hells Kitchen which isn't scheduled to be on, say till 9 months time, I can do that on the V6 right now and not have to worry about it. With the 360, I can't schedule the recording or series link until its showing in the guide and hope the watchlist reminds me that it's coming up which is surely pot look if you're using the 360 enough to realise its coming on.

So you have full control over your series links and can change options from one page. As it stands, I don't have a clue since moving to the 360 which shows I've series linked unless I'm going to search every show to see if it is or not, which is annoying when you had a lot of series links from the V6.

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I know it’s not the same - watchlist is for the on demand library, and although you might want to set a link for a programme that isn’t scheduled to be on for months ahead, the chances are there is an existing series on the watchlist which you can add and the new series in nine months’ time will appear automatically.

Similarly, if you are watching a programme through series link on a recording, as long as you don’t actually cancel the series link, that programme will automatically appear as well with the next series. And, what is more, you will see those recordings appear on your Home Screen to alert you (under ‘recordings’).

You are used to doing things in a certain way, but I am afraid we all have to adapt with new technology. You can still find what you want when it’s on and you can keep your series links open for every new series that come on. There is a workaround available, but I can see that you just want to carry on doing things the way you have become used to. Fair enough.

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You seem to be comparing something that's not at all the same and then going, there you go, it's basically the same. The whole point about moaning about the series links on the 360 is because its terrible. I want to be able to set a series link and just leave it knowing it will record a new series 9 months later, which if it isn't in the schedule, won't work. The watchlist does not do this and is a terrible workaround if you don't use the homescreen.

I want to adapt to new technology, new technology should be better and easier for the end user and for series links, it simply isn't. It's not about wanting to carry on doing things that I'm used to, it's your workaround isn't doing what I want the series link to do.

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Yes, I get what you are saying. What I said about future recordings not listed in the schedule was that if there have been previous series, you can keep the series link open.

I can’t think of any circumstances under which I would think to set a recording for a programme that’s not been on before nine months before it is aired! But obviously you do, so fair enough.

However, I do think it’s pedantic when there are other much more useful features such as profiles on the 360 that are not available on the TiVos. But again, that’s me and I’m not you.

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I know you can, that wasn't my complaint. My complaint is setting a series link when a programme is not scheduled can't be done like the V6. This problem is worse when you have 100+ series links and have just changed to the 360.

I've already explained why it's bad, moving from the V6 to the 360 you lose all of your series links. While that's a problem, it would be less of a problem if you could just search for the show and set a series link for unscheduled programmes like you can on the V6. Also, friends and family could be talkabout a programme that you sound interested in, so you want to set a series link, but can't because it's not scheduled. Whatever way you want to look at it, it's a step backwards to what we already had.

How is it pedantic? My first post to you was stating the series links are terrible. Series links are surely a major selling point of a recordable box. I think the voice function is amazing, but I didn't comment to talk about the voice part of it.

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You'll have to excuse my ignorance as I'm still on V6 myself but:

If I changed over to 360 today and therefore start with no series links... How would I set a series link for (example) Doctor Who which is due to air later this year?

This may be covered somehow as it is a new series of an existing show. However if I was to hear of a brand new show with amazing reviews over in the US and therefore no UK channel has picked it up yet. Can you set a series link up for when it does air in the UK?

I think that covers two examples.

Also, a question. Any sign of a deleted recordings folder yet? This is another thing holding me back from going to 360

Thanks

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TiVo does have a clearer series link set up.
I switched before Christmas and found that for new series of existing shows e.g. From/ Evil which were not currently showing added them to the watchlist. If repeats were on I set up series links and opted for new only. It works. And for these two examples which I set up months ago the 360 has the new seasons in my planned recordings list.

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Doesn't the 360 only record from the channel the series link is set? So if the old series (repeats) were on Gold and you set a series link, but the new series was on BBC, then the 360 series link won't pick it up?

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Yes that's true. I record EastEnders for the missus. I set a series link when it appeared on BBC Two as well as the existing series link on One. That's it covered.

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Being able to series link across channels is something that would deal with many gripes about the 360 particularly when a channel closes and some of the programming then pops up elsewhere and you end up with a duplicate series if your planning a binge watch. A minor detail I know.

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Two series links because a show can be on more than one channel.
No series link list
No way to pick up brand new shows unless it is in the guide (?)

Feels like poor implementation to me. I'm all for change but progress needs to come with that change otherwise what is the point

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Why would brand new shows not be in the guide?

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Maybe because it's on in 4 weeks time.

But sadly alot of times the older stuff is much better..... (In just about everything)

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Yup. Modern stuff is so obsessed with needlessly flashy bling the core functionality is missing, reduced and regularly inferior.

User interfaces are all wasted screen space, continual scrolling, buttons that are much, much bigger than they need to be, information difficult to read because of the clutter or graphics choices. It just goes on.

Yup.. Dumbed down garbage that doesnt work well.......

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Nope just didn't pick it up at all ,but the box is very flakey, shuts down at least once a day reboot sets it off again ,agent would be more use if he was a chocolate teapot:shocked:

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In other words your box is faulty.



Most of them aren't.

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You'd think, so but not according to agent. :erm:

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Well, I don’t have the figures, Itshim, but I have the 360 on my V6 box and it works perfectly well.

Have you had a technician look at your box? You shouldn’t have to put up with such poor performance.

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Got one coming Tuesday at 3rd attempt. Got confused about box , nothing unusual in that ��asked on other post but why not ask again what the real time process of changeover to 360 looking at needing mini box

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When I upgraded to the 360 software and 1 mini box, I got offered a week late to install the mini box and do the upgrade.