BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Good heavens, it's never ending with this idiot.

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It won't be PartyGate 2 as he isn't relevant any longer and no one is surprised. His few remaining disciples will go to their grave defending his right to impose restrictions on the public that he didn't follow but that's it.

Pretty stupid though. He gave this evidence himself to the lawyers.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Rolf Harris has a better chance of a comeback now.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

even the defenders of him must see the light now surely

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

More oxygen for the reasons to remove the Party of sleaze & corruption.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Let's see what Old Boy has to say on the matter.

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It's more sleaze around the Party, a perception which Sunak hoped to move away from. And it might mean a by election...though I'm aware this has been said before and has not happened.

Braverman and Partygate II. The popcorn makers are going to be busy over the next few weeks! :D

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

And he would of got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky civil servants in the Cabinet Office and their blatant left wing agenda.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Meanwhile my city mayor ignored covid rules and just got elected again.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Which one?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

There seems to be plenty of of people with the attitude of “it was years ago, let it go”.

No, let’s not let it go. He won’t ever get prosecuted for spaffing billions to his mates, he won’t get prosecuted for lying to the Queen, selling us his “oven ready deal” based on complete horseshit so let’s get him for whatever we can get on him.

I’ve never been a Tory fan but I have never detested them more than I did during his reign of terror.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Hopefully, Johnson did not break the rules again. But as he's a sitting MP, it's still relevant. Expect questions in the Commons today about this and the Braverman story. And the more frequent use of the sleaze adjective in connection with the Conservative Party, potentially increasing the Party's losses at the next election.

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https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...67658396794880

I don't think Johnson has enough allies to make this work and even amongst the few he has I doubt they will go to the bat for him on this issue now. I suspect this 'allies' consist of him and Nadine Dorris.

Still it shows how for Boris Johnson it's always about, and was always about, Johnson's ego.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

There is an interesting theory running around that says that had Johnson paid for his own legal defence, he could not have reported to the Police due to client confidentiality rules. As the state paid for the legal defence, these rights were not in place. Does this make sense?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Surely, they'd still be with holding evidence if they did not pass the information to the Police, whoever paid the bill?

If I was an unscrupulous lawyer looking for future work from Johnson, I might be tempted to say that the handwriting on page ZZ was a bit unclear, hint, hint, and he might wish to rewrite it again.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

That’s right. The legal team for Boris Johnson was hired by the Cabinet Office which is a Civil Service function. Once the legal team found evidence of these new events, they passed this on to their client as the defence and accused has a right to know all evidence against them. The Civil Service code says that they must report all instances of suspected law breaking which is what they did.

If Boris Johnson hired his own legal team, we would know about the case against him but could keep schtum about it.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Yeah, he didn't have confidentiality as the Cabinet Office were the clients apparently so they had the right to see all submissions. Some Tory MPs are upset about the fact the Cabinet Office reported him but there is no suggestion the lawyers have broken client confidentiality.

Personally, I am not sure the police will investigate this. They've said before they don't retrospectively investigate lockdown breaches but Johnson and Starmer were investigated due to the public interest of them being senior politicians accused of breaking those rules. However, Johnson isn't PM anymore and the police probably don't want to have to keep going back to investigate other politicians should more come out.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Couldn't agree more or say it better.

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I don't think lawyers are allowed to break confidentiality unless someone is at harm and/or it's evidence that has to be disclosed to the other side in a legal dispute.

So if you told your lawyer "Yeah mate, I robbed that store. LOL!" they aren't allowed to tell anyone. If you said you planned to murder someone they can tell the police. If you documents that were evidence as part of a case then all parties in the case can see the evidence. I think.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Not exactly Stalin is he?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Maybe the Armando Iannucci version

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Soulsby in Leicester.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

It's a witch hunt.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Perhaps if he had been less of a witch, there would be less hunting going on?

Or are we saying that if Government lawyers find evidence of a potentially criminal activity, they should ignore it?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Tell that to those who all followed the lockdown rules and those who could not even say their proper goodbyes to their loved ones.

Rules are for "all of us" to abide by.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

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I know the govt made the rules but I'll bet thousands didn't follow them, time to move on old chap.:)

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

That's not the point old chap. Hundreds of people were prosecuted throughout lockdown for far less and the rule makers need to set the bar high, not duck and dive under it.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I am sure Sunak is deeply worried about losing three MPs who want him gone

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

were you not one of the ones that supporting the right wing media witch hunt of Starmer when he had a curry lunch break done nothing wrong

but Johnson breaking rules all fine as rules dont apply to tories right ?

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exactly let them go and lose the tories the 3 seats ;)

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

A great bit of whataboutery MM.

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:D:D

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No idea what you're on about, or was that the one where he had a beer?

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I’m no fan of Johnson, but a witch hunt is exactly what it is.

Snivel servants need to be sacked, who leak stuff to the pathetic liberal media, like the ultra gutter & lefty rag, guardian.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

The story came from The Times but I think the cabinet office was obligated to refer to the police if they find evidence of a crime?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Boris should have eaten all the cake instead of leaving it behind as evidence. :rolleyes:

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I think it’s the inviting folk who aren’t colleagues round to Chequers that’s the problem this time, OB.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

has nothing to do with the cake as you well know OB it the gatherings that broke the rules

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Are you sure about that, Dave? There are a lot of people who think that eating cake or drinking alcohol are proof of a party.

Clearly, that is not the case, but it appears to have swayed the Met. If there hadn’t been cake, Boris would not have been fined. Ridiculous, I know, but true.

It’s also true that Kier attended a function with curry and alcohol at a party member’s house. Police reaction? Move on, nothing to see here….

The ONLY difference apart from the fact that Kier was at a social event and Boris was at a work event was that Boris had cake.

Think about it. If it wasn’t so glaringly obvious and tragic, it would make a hilarious comedy. How to make something out of nothing, and do it so inconsistently, citing cake as the final arbiter when cake isn’t even mentioned in the rules. Yet a social event is OK, when it really isn’t!

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

No one, except you (repeatedly) is "citing cake"…

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Thank you, Hugh. Glad I nailed that one first. :D

It’s the logical conclusion. If there hadn’t been cake, Boris would not have been fined. Why else was he fined?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

he was fined because of the gathering OB man why do you think he in trouble again he admitted to more gatherings in his diary nothing to do with the cake

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

OB you are even more tiresome than the failed leader, proven liar and soon to be former MP you defend so much.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

They were gathering for a scheduled meeting, remember?

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Johnson disagrees with you…

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...%20June%202020.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

May I commend the Sue Gray Report to you Old Boy?
https://assets.publishing.service.go...GATHERINGS.pdf

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

So the Johnson's interior decorator was formally invited and involved in meetings about running the country?

Hang on, with hindsight, she might have been an imprtant cog in the UK decision making machine all along and without her vital input the country might be even further up the creek than we are now.

I think we've all been a bit harsh on BJ as he was only doing the best for the country with the very best people available.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

But it was the cake what clinched it. ;)

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He probably should have been fined for the other parties too.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-get-one-fine

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

BoJo and the Government are now launching a legal challenge to prevent the Cabinet Office from releasing his WhatsApp messages and diaries to the Covid Enquiry.
https://news.sky.com/story/legal-bat...sages-12892827

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

The police were satisfied that a leaving presentation was a legitimate work activity.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Agreed. The others weren't all leaving-dos so I think you've got a legitimate question in asking why he wasn't fined for the rest.

On another note
Repeating a falsehood does not make it correct. This was post-work food and drinks at a meeting venue. The police reaction was not "nothing to see here" but "we've launched an investigation".

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4...97dcd51b4fb028

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/wp...ry-Notice-.pdf


Apparently, after stating that documents and correspondence are "unambiguously irrelevant", they also state they don’t have the documents and correspondence they refer to - how do they know they are "unambiguously irrelevant", then?

Also, Baroness Hallett requires a signed statement verified by oath to back up the claim that the Cabinet Office does not have copies of Boris Johnson’s WhatsApps or diaries - and a detailed chronology setting out if it had copies and any correspondence with Johnson about it.

About to get very interesting….

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I know what it was, but it was still a social event that went on the the wee small hours, and some were worse for wear when they departed. There was no falsehood in my post.

I don’t see how any of you can view that as not being worse than Boris receiving a cake just as he was assembling for a pre-planned meeting.

But there you go…

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I suppose you could just sum it up as your guy broke the law and the other guy didn't, but there you go....

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It was a falsehood to state the police did nothing about Starmer's meal and drinks. You knew that they investigated and cleared him as being inline with Covid guidance at the time.

It was false to state it was a party at a friend's house. It was held at the Miners Hall where they had worked during the day.

Stating it to be a social event is a loose definition as all events involving people are social! The question is whether it was a work or non-work event. It was found by the police to be a work one.

I doubt your quip about it going onto the wee small hours is anything more than wishful thinking.

It's not what we think about BoJo's birthday party, it's what the police think. they found it was not a work event.

BoJo has moved on. I encourage you to join him.

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Interesting. On what basis did they decide that the WhatsApp messages and diaries were unambiguously irrelevent? Did they just take Johnson's word for that?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

So what they're saying is WhatsApps, texts, emails etc that were not directly related to Covid are irrelevant so should remain private, while they feel it's OK to expect a rape victim to allow the police etc to trawl through their entire digital life to check if they were asking to be raped? Shocking, absolutely shocking and anyone who supports this lot should be ashamed.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Maybe don't conduct Government business on private WhatsApp accounts?

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It's the report OB was urging us to wait for but it appears he may have missed its release.

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Keep repeating the slur, someone might believe you…

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-investigation

The Labour chief of staff vacancy was advertised November 2022, as Starmer had a re-organisation the previous month, and had let the previous CoS (Sam White) go.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

She hadn't spoken to Starmer when her report was writtten.

She's a strong character, she;s no flunky in search of an easy number and ran a pub near the Northern Irish town of Newry in the troubled 1980s.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Is that not a "guilty unless innocence can be proved" approach?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

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With no respect you don't know anything about it.It's all supposition and innuendo with you.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I don't have an issue with civil servants moving to political parties. I think the timing that Hugh outlined provides us with confidence that her report was not an attempt to curry favour for a job. Besides, her capabilities are well known and respected by government and opposition alike so would get a good role on her own merits.

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I'm sure there're plenty of (Senior) Civil Servants who vote Conservative but put those feelings to one side and got on with the job they were charged with during the last Labour administration. Or are you saying it's only those Civil Servants with left leaning political views that can't be trusted to follow the code?

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I think this quote from that Sky News article provides some useful context.

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As you say "perception is all".

Remember when the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley advised investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frances...h=650cbb7c4c1e

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Politics latest: Johnson hands unredacted WhatsApps to Cabinet Office - urging them to hand details over to inquiry
In a surprise move, the former prime minister gives all of the documents the COVID inquiry wants to the department - now the ball is in the government's court.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...andal-12593360

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I see Mr Movingthegoalposts has arrived, changing the conversation from "perception" to "perception of impropriety"...

He was a lawmaker giving one message to voters (vote for this and you'll be better off) and the opposite message to clients (things will go badly, get your money out of the UK).

Also, at the time he was advising investors to move their money out of the UK, he was pushing in parliament for a Hard Brexit that would see even more investment desert the country.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

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That's just your perception...

If you don't perceive saying one thing to the electorate and another to clients as improper, that's shows your perception of impropriety is improper, in my perception...

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1685552448

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65770586

Who to believe - the Cabinet Office or Johnson?

It's like having to choose between explosive diarrhea and and projectile vomiting...

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I’m tempted to ask you for the logic in your statement, but frankly I have better things to do than keep setting out the obvious.

And just (again) for the record, I don’t think either of them should have been fined as both had excuses which in my opinion were reasonable. But Starmer’s case was still closer to the danger line than Boris was.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Not according to the CPS.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

that is your tory bias OB CPS disagree with you

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Johnson disagrees with him as well, so he appears to be supporting Johnson by calling him a liar...

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

No wonder Johnson couldn't wait to hand over his WhatsApps - they only went back to May 2021!
https://www.ft.com/content/32b70216-...d-f389a48e71fe

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

https://www.imobie.com/iphone-tips/r...lost-phone.htm

I’m pretty sure he knew how to do this, having been given one-on-one "Technology Lessons" costing £126k…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-lessons.html

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

I'm definitely going to book some of those lessons, they sound good :)

Not much use any evidence from liar as they'll all be lies.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Lol. Hands up anyone who believes those messages are still on the Cloud.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Hmm! Boris Johnson being trustworthy? I very much doubt it.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Reminds me of Blackadder "did not shoot this delicious plump breasted pigeon" "did not delete those 2020 WhatsApp messages"

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65787617

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'These messages date back only to April 2021 - more than a year into the pandemic - because Mr Johnson's phone was involved in a security breach and has not been turned on since.

Mr Johnson said he would like to send the inquiry messages pre-dating April 2021, but that he had been told he could no longer "access safely" his old phone'


Bwah ha ha ha, there are readily available commercial tools never mind those used by security/intelligence services to safely recover data from a device involved in a security breach.

'Hide the the stuff that incriminates me, publish the stuff that incriminates everyone else'

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

When something sounds too good to be true
You know there's always a catch.

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Boris Johnson could lose legal funding for Covid inquiry

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1...540ecb9ddb1313

Oh, dear, how sad, never mind…

Mind you, I suppose he could ask one of his mates to pay for it - you know, people who have loaned him money/given him freebies before; his cousin Sam Blyth (who was such"close family" he had to be introduced to him by Richard Sharp), Lord Lebedev of Hampton and Serbia, Lord and Lady Bamford of JCB, Lord Goldsmith, Lord Cruddas, David Ross, Lord Brownlow, Christopher Harborne, Investors in Private Capital Ltd, Keith Rupert Murdoch, UK Office of the Victor Pinchuk Foundation, etc., etc…

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

You missed the bit in your quote that explained:

‘He said he would like to "test" the advice received from the security services and has asked the Cabinet Office for assistance in turning his old phone on securely.’


I’m sure that was just an oversight. :walk:

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You missed it too. How very strange.:o:

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Well, in case you missed it, Boris is actually trying to co-operate with the inquiry. You wouldn’t think it from the tone of your post.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Missed one out…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1685823801

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Bless…

You must be one of the very few people in the World who doesn’t realise Johnson only engages in actions that benefit him, or can weaken others.

Re: BoJo referred to police by the Cabinet Office. Partygate II?
 

Yes, you would say that, wouldn’t you, Hugh?