What do you think happens when we die?
 

Right, a nice jolly subject to begin Tuesday morning lol...

So, what do you think happens to us when we die?


Do you think you just break down and become compost for the trees growing next to your gravestone?


Do you think you climb those stairs to the gates of heaven as a human being? Or are you transformed into something else when you enter heaven?


Maybe you believe you come back as an animal or are reborn as another baby?


Or possibly you are following in AC/DC footsteps and taking the highway to hell? What do you do in hell and where is it?
And no, your place of work does not count!


Do you think we really have an afterlife?


Let's hear what you think.... Go!

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When I die I will not exist in any form apart from ashes, in my opinion there is no afterlife when I'm gone, dead means dead.

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I will become worm food.

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I have had cause to think what will happen after I die several times over the last few years, accepting that I am not an immortal was quite a sobering experience.

Though I may wish that it will be a case of closing one door and going into another room I do find it hard to believe in any form of an afterlife. What I really hope is that I will be remembered kindly, that my ashes will be scattered in my favorite place where, like compost, they can help something grow.

I certainly do not want to be buried leaving any form of memorial that people will feel obliged to visit. Nor do I want my ashes to be be kept in an urn on someones mantlepiece. <<shudder>>

I think my signature just about sums up my feelings. :D

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I can't find the quote but I think Lucretius said "Life is a passage between two darknesses - the darkness before our coming into the world and the darkness after our passing out of it. The darkness after gives me no more consternation than the darkness before."

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When I look at the infinity and wonder of the universe I struggle to accept the scientific theories on reality, I can not accept that life just happened by pure chance. A single cell splits and becomes 2 cells and so on till eventually as if by magic a heart starts to beat.

I am a Christian although some fellow Christians will not accept me as one but that is a debate I do not want to have on this forum

My belief is that there will be a great tribulation where only true Christians will be left after Armageddon they will be tasked with rebuilding the Earth to an Eden like state while the dead are resurrected and are taught to love God. After 1000 years those who do not accept God along with Satan will cease to exist. There is no Hell in my beliefs

I know most of you will see this as a fairy tale but as I said previously my lack of faith in science pushes me to believe in creation or in the very least intelligent design.

On top of that even if I am wrong and science is right we are energy our body is full of electricity and science tells us energy does not die it simple changes form

If I am wrong then I will never know I am wrong but if I am right I can go ner ner ner to all those who think I am wrong hahaha

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Things happen when you die and after, but you won't be around to experience them.

Religion is just a way of people of coping with mortality. Also gives them an excuse not to make the most out of the life they have.

This is why dogs are so happy. They live in the moment and aren't aware of death. They don't need religion/belief.

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Although brought up as a Christian I have wondered whether there really is an afterlife or if indeed religion is just a way of following rules and being a good citizen with good morals and values with no afterlife at all.


I'd like to know I am close to my family and somewhere that I've always enjoyed.


If there is a heaven, what do we do there? Why has science not told us where it is or more information about it?


I feel as human beings with feelings we need that reassurance that there is somewhere safe and happy to go to. But is it really there!?

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I am a Christian and when I die I will go to spend eternity with Jesus. The specifics, paradise, heaven, new earth are secondary to being with Jesus. My salvation isn't dependant on me but on God's grace. Christ's righteousness is imputed to me and my sin is dealt with by His death and resurrection. Imputed means that God declares me righteous not that I am righteous but He can do that because Jesus has removed my sin onto Himself.


Because of my relationship with Christ I can enjoy the life I live here. I want to please Him so I do the things He wants me to do - love others, do good to others and so on so it's not a dead faith. But my salvation isn't dependent on me doing good, I do good because I am saved. So I do make the most of this life but this life isn't my goal.

I will have a new body, this one isn't worth keeping. But my new body will be recognisably me. There is debate about what age we will be but the Bible doesn't tell us that so best not speculate.

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No it's not there. But it helps many to pretend there is. You aren't in any danger when you're dead, so in that sense you're safe

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Very good points from everyone here.


So, my question to christians and others who believe there is a heaven..... Does everyone go to heaven? What happens to murderers or someone who has been having an affair yet they are married?
Do they get forgivven, go to hell?

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You turn to compost . Just depends on how you are disposed off, as to what type!

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My faith has most staying on Paradise Earth "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven"

Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous"

Both will get the chances to learn and show repentance. I am sure plenty will not of course and they will then simply no longer exist. In my faith there is no eternal damnation or burning in hellfire. Personally I would not want to worship a God who would allow for such a thing

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You get made into compost

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Also Ricky Gervais:



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But how do you get to be so selective?

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If you cannot understand or comprehend how something works, evolved, etc. this does not mean you have to then impose a deific origin. It just means that you do are not able to comprehend the solution. It does not means there isn't one.

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This thread is about opinions not a debate thread. I have learned my lesson before. I am secure in my faith I do not need to justify it or debate it here :)

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No comments on opinions, got it.

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You can do what you want I was simply telling you I am not prepared to debate my faith on this forum.

I wonder why you have to try and make everything a fight. Not a question an observation

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BTW, it is probably the OP's place to decide that "this thread is about opinions not a debate". He may well agree with you but shouldn't he be the one saying this?

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Not quite true, you say this thread is not a debate.

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I'm not fighting. I thought this is a forum where you can debate people's arguments, opinions and statements. If the OP doesn't want this here then fair enough. If you do not want to respond to my questions then, again fair enough.

You said:

which does not directly address the OP's question so I was felt it was appropriate to reply to this statement.

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complete quote of what I actually said as it all follows on from the start to complete my view

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Does this by the OP not invite debate?

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I would tend to agree

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but does it say interrogate posters about their opinion/faith? anyway as I say I am not prepared to debate my faith others may well be willing you should wait for them

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Seems a bit harsh

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It was a thread to find out mostly what people thought happens when we die and if we do believe in something what that something actually is and how we get or do not get there.

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Stop posting in the topic then.

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Commenting to subscribe … having a busy day running a church, but will be along to offer opinions later, or tomorrow if I’m too whacked from being a Christian today :D

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I'm busy revising for an exam on Church History so am looking at theology that covers this topic including Luther, Calvin and many, many others. It really is the fundamental question even if your answer is that you just stop and that's it.
Where too many people who do believe in an afterlife miss is that it's not just about eternity but also how you live here and now.

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I agree.

Maybe I'm going off topic and for that I applogise.

My Father always said "it was better to be a virtuous unbeliever who does no harm, tries to be charitable and careing than be a pious Sunday Christian who thinks his misdoings for the rest of the week don't matter." His words not mine but I have always understood his message. I no longer believe in an all seeing entity, or that repenting one's sins some how gives you some kind of free pass into any form of glorious existance after I die.

How I conduct myself every day, the legacy I leave behind and the memories of me held by the people I leave when I die are what counts to me.

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Hey I'm trying to be one of the good guys in this life!!!!
:D

However it's not not too bad a look for an 74 year old lady. I wonder what shoes I could get to go with that outfit? I don't think Jimmy Choo does High heeled gold Bover boots. :D :D :D

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Someone else will have to do the washing up, shopping and cooking.

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When you die if buried you decompose, and you become a memory, until those people also die.

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When l die they will have to open me up to take the metal objects out of me before l am cremated.

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But your CF posts will live on forever :angel:

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I think that....

When we die, the neurons stop firing, synapse break down and 'consciousness' ceases to be. At that point, 'you' as the reactive meatbag of chemical reactions and electrical impulses is no more. Our consciousness is then as it was before conception - it simply does not exist. Our experiences gone. Our unique perspective lost (not that this is any different to when we are alive, as only we can relate to our own perspective).

As Roy Batty put it, "...all those moments lost in time, like tears in the rain."

Then our corpse decays, people might mourn, and unless we have acheived an outstanding feat that marked history, we will be out of living memory within 2 to 3 generations.

None of us are special. We are so small and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Our place in this universe means nothing. We may affect those around us for the very short time we roam our little towns, but we exist for such a short amount of time in comparison to cosmic entropy, we really are nothing.

Chance brought us here, nature will take us back. Eventually, the composites and compounds that make each of us who we are will degrade and decompose and will be recycled into the universe.

And you know what? That's absolutely fine. The universe is an incredible thing. Events, scales, chemistries and all the other amazing things we cannot even get our heads around because they are so complex and fantastic. It's a privilege being a part of it all for our little moment. We should each embrace that chance. We should enjoy it. And we should help others feel the same way whenever we can. Not because we think there will be some reward at the end of it, because there won't be. But because life can be hard. We could say life is cruel or nature is an unforgiving beast, but it's just nature doing natures thing. It favours nothing and no one and to think it does, especially us, would be foolish. Nature doesn't care. The universe doesn't care. We attribute our own standards and emotions to things we cannot control, but it just doesn't work that way.

It's not a supernatural power working in mysterious ways. There's no ultimate plan. We are here by combination of time and fluke through trial and error. Amazing as it is, and against all odds it may be. But it is so none the less.

So, when we die, we won't know. We won't remember. We won't remain floating about in the sky watching others. We simply won't be.

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I think there is a difference between debating someone's faith in itself, and how someone might implement that faith. Jaymoss has every right to have the faith he/she has, no matter how far fetched or difficult to comprehend it may be for others (and I include myself in that).

Jaymoss' faith itself is not there for debate. How Jaymoss my manifest that faith is a different story. For example, were that faith to be forced on others, or were that faith to deny others not of that faith the ability to express or do things that did not 'fall in line', then we have an issue and we can debate and argue.

So we may not agree about faith, but that alone is and should be fine. Jaymoss is not telling us we are wrong for not believing the same, and at no stage has Jaymoss tried enforcing that faith on us. Let's repay that respect by doing the same back.

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The weird thing about being dead is you will never know, or even know you dont know ..... Its a hard concept to get your head around, the closest people get to how it will be is sleep, you dont know you are asleep until you wake up again, but with dying, you never wake up again.

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You could become the first Cyberman Den and never die. It"s definitely the way forward. Don't know what that Time Lord is whinging about. ;)

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A strange statement. As I mentioned before, as this is a public forum I had assumed that if someone make a statement, you could respond with a counter argument. I am not "enforcing" anything here. Your position here is slightly sinister: do not ask questions or you may offend someone. Sound's familiar?

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It is sad if there is nothing left to hang on to. We live our lives gathering memories, building relationships, having children, experiencing moments that in the end will just be forgotten.


I'd like to hope there is a place that we can live on and enjoy life even though it may no longer be on earth.

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I made it perfectly clear from the start I did not want to discuss my faith further but you went on and on and on when simply you could have just left it. I wasn't offended I was just pissed off you would not drop it

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I recommend you revisit the thread. You made two statements that I responded to in a single post. That's it. Get a grip man ..

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My very first statement included

So you trying to draw me into a debate in the first place was disrespectful so you get some manners and I will get a grip. Deal?

I will just ignore you from this point forward :)

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Sorry I’ve not been back into this thread until now. I promised I’d give my :2cents: what with me having been the forum Christian since day one (and now officially doing ‘Christian’ for a day job too) :D

A couple of side observations first; the main one being that it will never be possible to prove with science what happens after you die. The scientific method was designed to observe and understand the material universe. What we’re discussing here is by definition outside of the material universe and therefore beyond science. I should also add that the scientific method was devised by European medieval monks who wanted to better understand God’s creation in order to deepen their worship of him.

It’s also worth noting that almost 350 years after the start of the Enlightenment, religious faith is alive and well and in fact thriving. Science has described the mechanics of the observable universe in sometimes exquisite detail but it is unable to answer the question ‘why?’ Human beings are hard-wired to search for meaning. Science cannot provide it (and humanists, for this reason, have tended to double down and insist there is no meaning, and explain away the human desire for meaning as an artefact of the way we’re constructed by the blind watchmaker of evolution).

The problem with humanism if strictly applied is it results in human relationships that are strictly transactional. There is little, perhaps no, room for selfless behaviour, yet the world, for all its brokenness, is full of examples of extreme love and sacrifice. There is something in the way we are made that I do not believe can adequately be explained away by ‘survival of the fittest’.

I believe we were all created by a God who is the very definition of love and that love is best seen in a period of history when God himself was born as a human being, to spend decades living and growing with us, feeling our brokenness and pain, teaching us there is a way to live, despite all of that, that is able to bring us into the presence of God himself. This Jesus exemplified that different way of living and ultimately proved that selfless love and sacrifice trumps everything else by dying, unjustly, a thief’s death but then beating even death and rising back to life.

While hanging on the cross alongside two thieves, he assured one of them - the one who understood Jesus had come from an eternal kingdom and was returning to it - to remember him. In return, Jesus assured the thief he would be with him in Paradise. And that, to answer the OP’s question, is what I am convinced happens when anyone dies with an appeal for Jesus to remember them. There is an eternal kingdom, and anyone who acknowledges its King may rest there. There is of course the matter of what happens when anyone dies without resting all their hope in Jesus. The best answer I can give to that is based on a work of C S Lewis which is not so well known outside of Christian circles, called ‘The Great Divorce’. In it, Lewis imagines an eternal landscape in which those who have refused to acknowledge the King of Heaven are unable to enter it because they remain preoccupied with all the same things that preoccupied them on earth. They simply can’t enter heaven because their preoccupation with themselves means they are unable to take in the reality of it.

Beyond that, I am convinced, as Jesus promised, that ultimately there is a physical resurrection and life on a new earth in which the material/spiritual bridge between heaven and earth has been re-made. In the end, we were created to be physical beings and that is what we will be. But that’s much further down the line than the question ‘what happens when we die’.

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Very interesting read Chris and I am pleasantly surprised to see this part which to be honest I have never seen or heard another Christian Faith say before

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I suspect it’s because the church has for centuries been mostly preoccupied with the question of what happens immediately upon death, this being the thing that concerns most people. The ‘new heaven and new earth’ spoken of at the very end of the Revelation doesn’t get much of a look-in. But it is very much a part of the less congregation-focused, more academic theological discussion across many Christian denominations, and in fact a few of the more Charismatic churches tend to dwell on it more. I know this ‘ultimate state’ does feature more prominently in the teaching at the Kingdom Hall you’re more used to.

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Very interesting and surprising in a good way :)

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I would like to believe this to. Some great points you have there.

I guess the thing we don't know is in what form do we enter heaven?

Are you in your young twenties, are you entering in the same state as you left earth?
What do you do there? Do you get to see those living on earth?


And those that don't believe....What happens to them? or the ones that have killed someone so therfore have committed awful crimes?
Will the man that cheated on his wife be allowed in heaven even though he was married so committed a sin?
Are child murderers in eternal hell?


So many questions that I don't think we will ever know the answer to.

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Thank you :) Christian faith does propose answers for some of the questions you’ve posed below … I’ll have a go at them one at a time if that’s ok:

Paradise, as promised to the thief on the cross alongside Jesus, was a Hebrew concept. It isn’t the final heaven, but it is a restful, spiritual and heaven-like state. A sort of waiting room if you like. The concept has most likely been borrowed from ancient Persia, as it seems to have come from a root word that basically means ‘game reserve’. Think of it as an immense, lush garden full of fruitful things and animals for the hunt (and imagine how good that would sound if you were a man of the ancient world - I know we don’t go in for hunting much now, but it’s the concept of abundant rest that’s important).

Hades, on the other hand, is commonly mistranslated ‘hell’ in many older English translations of the Bible, but in fact it’s important to maintain a distinction. It is a realm of gloom inhabited by disembodied souls after death. Its deep unpleasantness is enhanced by the fact that those within it are on some level aware of paradise in the far distance, but are unable to reach it. It is not anyone’s final resting place but the New Testament states in a number of places that it is where the faithless go immediately after they die.

The New Testament speaks of a physical resurrection and judgment by God for all inhabitants of both realms at a point in the future. This occurs for all at the same time, not immediately on death.

To quote Patrick Moore: we simply don’t know. :D. However, Jesus, once resurrected, had an adult human body and could eat and drink. However his resurrection body was also capable of passing through solid walls and travelling between earth and heaven. That’s what Christian theology teaches is the final state of all the faithful, however as we exist in a spiritual state right after death, I truly don’t know what I’ll look like!

The concept of paradise used by Jesus to describe where he and the thief were about to go is one that is heavy on the idea of rest.

Roman Catholics would say yes, because they believe they can ask the Saints in heaven to pray for them to God (so the saints would have to be able to hear their petitions from down on earth). Personally I don’t see how that’s compatible with the idea of true rest at the end of life, or faith in God who does continue to see and hear everything.

The problem with these questions (and this isn’t a dig at you personally, just the general concept) is that they always assume there is a line between misdemeanours that God doesn’t really worry too much about, and real offensive stinkers for which certain people ‘deserve’ punishment.

The further problem is that people asking such questions almost always see themselves as being on the ‘right’ side of that distinction and certain other people as being on the ‘wrong’ side of it.

Christian belief about sin is that every person, no matter how well intentioned, falls short of perfect holiness (which only God has). So we have messed up, and being imperfect are unable to rectify that ourselves. This is why Christians believe that Jesus, in coming to Earth, living a perfect life, suffering an unjust death, and proving he’s stronger than death by rising again to life, is the only one able to bridge that holy gap between humans and God. Christians believe that *every*single*one* of us, without exception, has committed behaviour that excludes us from eternal life and it is only faith in Jesus, believing and accepting his life within us, that makes it possible for us to attain that eternal life.

Jesus, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, claimed to be the answer to all of those questions, and the peace to accept we won’t apprehend all of those answers in this life.

I think I’ve given rather more than :2cents: now. :D

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Chris, this has been most helpful.


I was born and baptised in a catholic church but then my faith was not a big part of my life.
As I got married and had children I began to attend church again, this time the church of England and would say I believe in the Christian way of life.


I am far from the perfect man and I admit that I am not a regular church goer. We often have very busy weekends as a family, however maybe I should try and place more time for church in our lives.
The idea of there being a place where we can reflect on life and where we want to be next sounds good. A sort of place to decide if we want to better ourselves and join God in paradise.


As for giving your two pence worth, I think you've helped me out many times since 2003 when I first joined. So if I ever bump in to you one day, I owe you a drink or two.

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Yes, you said:

I never challenged you why other Christians will not accept you. This is what you asked not to debate. :dunce:

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I heard someone who had a not near death but actually dead experience who was brought back after quite sometime, he said it fealt like he had no physical form, he seem to know everything, wanted for nothing and was just very relaxed and at peace, that sounded like heaven to me

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Yes, it certainly would. I’m not saying the place where souls rest upon death isn’t really heaven so much as heaven is a more multi-layered place than we perhaps think.

The Greek word for Heaven In the first line of the Lord’s Prayer, ‘Our Father in Heaven’ is ouranous* whereas on the cross Jesus promises the thief “you will be with me in paradise’ - Greek paradeisos.

Both are in the heavens where God dwells but they are different spaces used for different things.

*(Incidentally, the same Greek word as a proper noun is the name of the mythical Greek celestial being we know as Uranus, the personification of heaven)

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"ouranos" is also sky in modern Greek

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My position is in no way sinister. Those who have been members here for a long time will no very well I highly oppose a 'do not ask questions or you may offend someone' stance. I have indeed argued the same point about it being a debate forum and that should we only allow contributions that fell in line with other's views, this would be nothing more than a stale utopia that acheives nothing more than a series of back patting - it would get us nowhere. The moment we stop asking why is the moment we stop progressing. Those same people (and as I'm sure you will also learn if you ever have the time to go through older threads), will also know I am in no way religious and have struggled in the past with understanding why someone would follow any ideaology, faith related or not.

And so I agree, we should ask questions in order to better our knowledge, to better understand others and to allow everyone exposure a points of views they may not have considered before. This mindset has allowed me to come the realisation that having a faith and how one expresses that faith are mutually exclusive of one another.

This does not mean one needs to be disrespectful in order to stimulate conversation. As my previous comment said, we should debate and argue the implementation of faith.

However, when it comes to the faith someone holds itself, debating it can be a pointless task. Faith is not something bourne of tactile possessions, of repeatable and measurable testing or any kind of 'proof' that those of us who don't follow faith would accept as enough to convince us it was a real thing.

Belief, Fact and Truth are different things. Sometimes they can be related. Sometimes they are not. For example, if I told you my car was blue, you could take that as the truth because you had belief in what I said. The fact might be my car is red, but until you find out for yourself by seeing it, you have no reason to dimiss your belief my car is blue.

And so religion can be approached by 2 angles;

The first is how I would approach it - I need to see facts that support, without reasonable doubt, there is a God who made and controls everything, before I can believe. Thus I believe the truth is that there is not God because no facts I have seen support the notion of God.

The second would be that until fact are presented that support the notion there is no God, one would choose the believe there is one, because faith has allowed that person to have a God as their truth.

The point is, both of those situations are fine. So long as no harm is done, n one is limited or oppressed due to their belief and no one is forced to believe one thing over the other without the choice being their own, it simply doesn't matter. People should be allowed to believe what they like on the premise no one suffers as a result.

Sometimes though, people may not want to speak about things that are very personal to them. This could be for many reasons. And whilst I too would have many questions for Jaymoss about why they have faith at all and what they believe, there has been a clear request by Jaymoss not to be put in a position where they are questioned about the faith / belief.

Chris here (and Russ if he's still about) know full well I am very vocal and question deeply their expression of faith and the actions they take based on it. And I do this to better understand. I know I can come across as being difficult or a bit of an arse when I do it, but I genuinely want to have a clearer understanding from the perspective of someone who has the capacity to involve and dedicate themselves to something I simply cannot. And whilst I push and debate areas such as making ones children follow an ideaology when they don't have a choice in the matter (which is an implementation of their faith and I feel should be discussed), the point at which anyone would ask me not to question why they have faith or what they believe, just drop it. What does it matter? Whilst it doesn't affect my life, what should I care?

So no, I do not have a position that dictates we should not ask because it might offend someone (people can be as offended as they like - that's up to them and not my problem. There's no rule against offending people as it is very subjective), I do respect a position that when someone says they do not wish to talk about something personal to them, stop pushing.


TL;DR

• I'm not religious
• I have difficulty understanding the mindset of someone who is religious without any proof to back it up
• I absolutely do not think we should not ask questions because it might offend someone - you can be as offended as you like, it doesn't mean I have to find it offensive too
• I absolutely do think that if someone says openly they do not wish to discuss something personal to them, it should be respected
• I'm probably one of the most provocative and questioning people here when it comes to religion, but only whilst others are open to discuss

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Sounds like oxygen starvation of the brain to me that can give a euphoric effect. It is a bit reassuring that at the end of life the human body gives you a natural high.

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Of course it isn’t, and for my part I’ve never taken it as so.

My faith is in Jesus of Nazareth, whom I call saviour (‘Christ’ or ‘Messiah’ simply being Anglicisations of the Greek or Hebrew). Jesus was followed around by crowds of people sometimes well into the thousands. His closest friends and followers were always more than a dozen in number. And they asked him a *lot* of questions. Strangers would seek him out to ask him stuff. Sometimes they had sinister intent but even then he acknowledged and replied (though he could be very sharp tongued when confronted by religious hypocrisy).

I joined this forum to laugh at how pants NTL was. I stayed because I made friends, realised I could help people with various problems and because I found people who believe different things to me and like talking about it.

I snipped lots of stuff we can talk about some other time when I’m not trying to get ready for Eurovision. :D

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I don't believe in any God or God's, but I try not to offent others who may believe.

I do watch a lot of Ancient Alien type programs and having seen many I can see where a belive in Gods came from.

They say thinks like:

"Fire breathing dragons"
"Flying chariots"

Things they saw we could say sound like planes etc.


they generally used terms to things they knew about.

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The sinister part is this: Jaymos originally posted:

I never questioned him on why some fellow Christians will not accept them. Fact. Yet you mispresent me (again) as "pushing" someone after the fact. I replied once to his original post. I then said:

You need to re-read the thread ... and apologise.

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Actually it’s me that needs to apologise - I think Jay is reticent to discuss faith here because on a recent occasion I was severely lacking in grace when discussing differences between what I call Christianity (as practiced by Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists etc) and what he calls Christianity, (as practiced by Jehovah’s Witnesses). The differences are very real but there’s a right and a wrong way to handle them.

(Sorry Jaymoss)

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The obvious answer is of course you get taken into a side room once you are through the pearly gates and they hand you a single box with all the streaming services in one place, with one search function capturing all the content.

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Mate - seriously?

I’m willing to give credence to the einherjar in Valhalla eating their fill of the beast Sæhrímnir, and drinking mead from the udder of the goat Heiðrún, and I’m more than happy to accede to the possibility of seven samāwāt or Shamayim, or the Svarga being guarded by Airavata, with Kamadhenu, the cow of plenty, as well as Parijata, the tree that grants all wishes…

But all the streaming services in one place with a holistic search function? You stretching the bounds of credibility there… ;)

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Thank you for that Chris I appreciate it. I too apologise for how I reacted, I do tend to go off on one, it is part of my mental health symptoms but that is no excuse.

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A question I was thinking about this morning was...What about animals?


We do share so many similarities with many animals. Do they go to heaven too?





This is a good point. And probably explains the recurring saimilar stories that people talk about when they've been brought back from the brinks of death.

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I don't believe an apology is warranted from myself, nor would serve any positive purpose and would do nothing more than reinforce your psuedo self belief that you have been somehow wronged (which quite frankly, I don't think you believe at all - you're just trying to create an illusion. Poorly). You clearly have an objective in this thread, which is targetted at Jaymoss. Trying to make out you are the victim is not going to work. You are not the victim, you are the antagonist here;

I don't think it's unreasonable that one might read the above quotes, especially in the context of the comments they respond to, as somewhat intentionally antagonising or at the very least 'poking the fire'.

The first quote above is clearly a mis-representation of the point being made, creating a false, hyperbolic misunderstanding that mocks the statement or request it is responding to. Put politely, you're just taking the piss. At which point, you are doing nothing more than trying to draw Jaymoss into the discussion they already said they do not want to have, because you are digging to hit an emotive response. It's a bit Strawman.

The second quote you diverted attention away from your previous comments and behaviours and onto something else. Kind of "It's not my fault I'm saying this - go speak to that guy, he makes the rules.". It's like you're trying to brush your shoulders as you shrug them, turn down the corners of your mouth and throw your hands out to the sides palms up. However, you are in complete control of what you say, it's not someone else's fault, and if you get called out on something, don't try blaming it on others - you are accountable.

The third quote is again an attempt to elicit a emotional response based on a shoulder shrug, and a claim of ignorance to your prior comments. Again, I think you need to realise your accountability here. You shroud the comment of "I thought this is a forum where you can debate people's arguments, opinions and statements." with faux respect and acceptance of Jaymoss' comments and requests not to debate the faith by following up with "If the OP doesn't want this here then fair enough. If you do not want to respond to my questions then, again fair enough." but your intent has already been made clear throughout most of your prior comments in the thread.

You have been consistently attempting to provoke and draw into a discussion a person who has already been clear in their wish not to discuss a certain topic. Just leave it.

TL;DR

• Stop trying to provoke Jaymoss
• You are not the victim here
• When you get called out on something, accept it

I'd also like to add that I don't think 'sinister' means whatever you think it means.

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Nothing happens!

When you are gone you are gone, that is the opinion of this Born Again Athiest ;)
I would like to think we meet up with all our deceased relatives and friends but I dont believe we do. When we are gone we are gone thats it!

(PS RIP Andy Rourke Bassist from The Smiths who passed away yesterday)

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For the record, please link to the posts where he:

- requests not to debate the faith
- been clear in their wish not to discuss a certain topic

and then the posts where I am:

- consistently attempting to provoke and draw into a discussion a person who has already been clear in their wish not to discuss a certain topic

Really weird that you deliberately mis-represent the facts repeatedly. You literally did not read the posts I referred to and have decided to go down this rabbit hole of self-righteous indignation.

If that is how you get your kicks then so be it.

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Ian FFS can you not just drop it man. You talk about getting kicks it is plain this is how you get yours

Or Admin any chance you stop this crap that has nowt to do with the topic?

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I'll stick to the topic. I am just defending myself which seems fair to me.

Enough now ...

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I would tend to agree with you here. We grow up making decisions based on the objective evidence before and what we can see, hear, etc. If the apple falls from the tree there is, in all probability, a physical force compelling it. There are a myriad of examples of evidentiary events that help us to understand the world and here's the important point, predict the behaviour of things in the future.

We know that when a plane attempts to take off that it will, in all probability, achieve flight because we understand the physics involved. We have the evidence and the understanding to predict the future of this plane.

We do not have any evidence to predict what we happen when we die so if we apply the evidence-based approach that has guided us through life, we must conclude that nothing will happen.

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Surprised this is been discussed.

When I have thought about this in the past here is my view.

I did read a website someone made who explained before we were born at some point we were nothing, we didnt exist, so the fact we were born from been nothing, and if we do become nothing when we die, it means been reborn is possible, that makes sense to me.

I am not religious, but I am also not close minded, so I believe anything is possible, there is many things scientists cannot explain, and probably will never be able to explain.

I think as an example after the body is declared dead there is a fair chance of still been able to think, that process might be totally out of sync with the time passing by in the outside world.

Also consider during deep sleep we have no recollection of that time, its as if we didnt exist for that time period, same issue with people with memory health problems. But in both cases existence is there, its just not remembered.

I will admit I am scared, partially of the process of death itself but also the thought of simply not existing freaks me out, but luckily I dont think about this all the time.

If you were to ask me if I was to bet on the most likely outcome, it perhaps would be you die, then a second later you waking up as a new born living thing, but not necessarily as a human. Kind of when you fall in and out of deep sleep, all sense of time is lost. However of course as a new born all past is gone. So as who we are now we would be done, but as some kind of living thing, not necessarily.

Near death experiences are all over the place so cant really draw a conclusion from those, some people report everything going off, others report stories like floating in the air, seeing their loved ones etc.

I used to think I would want my brain to be preserved with nutrients and oxygen fed to it, as been able to think means I still exist in some way, but it then was pointed out to me, imagine been able to think but realise you cant wake up, realising you dead. So now I am not so sure, and of course if there is a after life or process of been reborn, been preserved in that way would prevent that.

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I was talking to my sister who as PTSD caused by the death of our mum, and near death of or father, on top of that her daughter has Anorexia and scoliosis.


She told me our mums biggest fear was being buried alive, but we know for a fact she wasn't.

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Everything goes black.

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Isn’t ‘black’ in this context an experience to a lack of stimulus or light? To know something is black implies you have an awareness. Do you believe you will maintain some kind of consciousness or awareness after death?

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With a 1Kh tone.

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I think most people would take OB's remark as a figure of speech

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Guess I'm not 'most people' then! Lucky me! :)

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