TV360
 

Recently updated from TiVo.
Deleted recordings - on my TiVo I could access these to recover any if required.
On TV360 I cannot see this feature - is it present ? If so, how do I get it ?

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The 360 does not have that feature for recordings, Beaker. So if you’ve deleted it by accident, take a look at the availability of the programme on demand.

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Some TiVO features were exclusive to the platform, so VM cannot replicate them on LGs Horizon platform without coming up against TiVO patents.
Wishlists is another thing you won't be getting.

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Not exactly the 'upgrade' VM claim is it? Quite the opposite

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You are able to Undelete recordings on Sky Q though , It isn't a TiVo exclusive feature.

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Nope, it's why I don't ever want one. The only positive thing that is useful for partially sighted people especially is the voice control function, bur you can get that with Sky Q as well as other useful features missing from the 360.

There are lots of people on various forums who regretted changing over and, despite initially being told that they couldn't, some have managed to change back to the V6.

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You can even restore deleted recordings on our Sky HD+ box.

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But it seems recordings are not going to be available in the future.

Sky Stream does not do any recordings and you have to hope the programme will be on Catch-Up.

I guess VM Stream is the same?

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That is the way l see it.

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Not quite, Richard. I am pleased with the 360 because it allows me to select programmes on my watchlist with profiles. So I can separate my programmes from my wife's and also have a separate list for shared viewing. If you live on your own, you can separate genres by the same method, to make your programmes easier to find.

While I agree that it is a shame there is not a 'recently deleted' folder on the 360, it's not the end of the world and you can normally get your programme back on demand.

I have never used the TIVO's 'wishlist' function except when I tried it out initially to see how it worked, so I don't miss that at all, but I know some people do value it.

It's horses for courses really, some will love it while others want to hang on to what they've got.

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Thank you all for those interesting comments.

TV360 is quite good, but IMO not as good as TiVo - I wish I had never changed.
It came with a new computer hub 3.0.
The TiVo handset was much better, it was larger, in white with protruding shaped buttons, easy to partially see and feel in a dark room.
The TV360 handset is useless in such a case.
Also I used to use the Favourites feature all the time with TiVo, TV360 does not have this feature.

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Do you mean Favourite channels or Wishlists?

360 has profiles which you can use to customise your channel list to only show your channel favourites.

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Thanks - I will investigate that.

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Ben, having created my profile of favourite channels for normal use, am I then also able to see the total channel list like on TiVo ?

All readers - the voice command feature is absolutely fabulous ! It actions any command given, even go forward or backward.

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Once you have your own profile, you can simply switch to the Shared profile, using the button on the right of the remote, to see all the channels.

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Absolutely. Skip four minutes on ITV and skip five minutes on sky channels are the most common phrases in our house lol

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�� ROFL - the terribly long adverts. Same here. 4 minutes every 15 minutes !!

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When the ability to record is finally discontinued, they will have even more control over what we can watch than ever

I can even see a time where it won't be possible to skip the adverts to appease the advertisets, this is already the case with some streaming services. Must hunt out my old VCR :D

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Never watch anything live even if start 30 minutes from start , skip a lot of gibbish that way:erm:

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Disbanding the facility to record is a technology reversal of over 70 years, my compliments to the brainless morons who utter such tripe.

Re: TV360
 

There will still be options to save shows and watch them back later, it'll just not be done as a copy of a linear broadcast stream.

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Guess that reads, suck with adverts and long car drives ( also known as filler) netflix is looking better all the time.

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Same here.

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The drawbacks to this are that not everything gets put onto VOD, some don't have subtitles, there is a limited window in which to watch things (could be wrong, but I don't think that we even get a warning when a bookmarked programme is about to expire) and you can't use QuickView to save time.

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To eliminate recordings is to deprive the user of an integrated technological feature that is vitally essential to modern day viewing - back to the Stone Age.
My hope is that the misguided advocates of this crazy idea soon become extinct.

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Well, it's the way Virgin seems to be heading.

When the V6 is eventually retired in favour of the 360 I will be cancelling the TV side, even if I am unable to dump their broadband offering.

Most PVR's seem to fail due to the HDD used for recording.. Maybe it's being done to make the boxes last longer??

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Think you hit the nail on the head with advertising. Easier to inflict with streamed programmes. Also BB isn't infallible as VM have proved over the last few weeks, so no streaming then. Recorded programmes are more reliable and give more control to the viewer Streamed stuff, to me, the PQ a lot of the time isn't as good.

Upgrade for VMs profits to knock these cheaper boxes out too, not for the customer. A flashy epg and a remote you can talk to are just gimmicks, plus the latter might get you locked up ! ;)

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If Virgin are hell bent on committing market suicide by deleting recording, how about this -

Keep Virgin broadband and phone, dump Virgin TV and just have aerial Freeview.
If a broadband and phone package is not possible with Virgin, go to another provider like BT
and get recordings back with their TV package or stay Freeview.

Re: TV360
 

No-one has said that you won't be able to save shows on Virgin TV in the future. You're making assumptions about plans that don't exist.

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I was going on the comments made on this thread.

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Could you expand looks as if you can pick out a show and stream it. Like others that would be the killer for me.:dozey:

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My viewing is almost 100% recorded documentaries.
I understand that TV360 records 6 programs at the same time. TiVo did 3 at the same time.

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Yes, you can. My 360 gives me an option to pick a show from the EPG and then either record or add to the streaming watchlist. Alternatively, you can use the search facility and do the same.

IIRC, the TiVo and V6 enable you to create a bookmark from a search, which is the same thing.

Re: TV360
 

Ok seems the same way record and watch later. So what does benmc mean I 🤔

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This Liberty Global provider in Switzerland uses the version of the Horizon/360 hardware without the hard drive due to different content rights there. Recordings are stored in the cloud.

https://www.sunrise.ch/en/internet-tv/tv-subscription

So if / when the UK moves to cloud recordings it doesn't mean you don't still have the option to do so, but it won't be done in the same way as now.

Re: TV360
 

:confused: When is the target year for this change ?

Re: TV360
 

There isn't one, I'm just pointing out that 'recordings' can still exist as the technology changes.

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Thank you - :D

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Cloud recordings and VOD catch up are the same thing with all the earlier outlined disadvantages that this entails.

The only people who can still record on a 360 are those that converted their old V6 boxes with a software download.

New customers can only have a 360 box that does not have a recording facility, so it's inevitable that, as these boxes fail due to age, they will be replaced with a box that cannot record.

Just because a switchover date hasn't been announced doesn't mean that it won't be happening in due course.

It's obvious that a switchover is starting to be phased in, in exactly the same way as was done for SD boxes, TiVo boxes, V boxes and the V+ ie not giving new customers the option but to have anything else but the 360.

Going by previous changeover programmes, the next stage will probably be to stop replacing legacy boxes with like for like replacements, but with a non recordable 360.

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All new customers receive a main 360 box which has the hard drive. Any additional 360's are mini boxes.

Anybody regrading from either a Tivo or V6 box will also receive a main 360 box.

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What does ' regrading' mean ? Is it VM admitting it's not an 'upgrade' anymore? Tbh if they gave me one of these it would be bye bye.

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Sorry, yes, I was getting confused with the streaming box. It's those with more than one box who can no longer increase their recording capacity. When those with 2+ recording boxes experiencea box failure, I think that they will receive non recording 360 boxes as replacement(s) until they are down to only one box with the ability to record.

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Let's hope that any attempt to force people onto them doesn't happen for a few more years

Re: TV360
 

Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it, Mr K!

The 360 was definitely a good move in my house. Sorry, though, it doesn’t have a Scart socket! 🤭

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Where are you getting that from? BenMcr has already given us a link to another LG cable service with cloud recording which is different from VOD.

Another error in your post.

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You've always been jealous of my scart OB ;)
Once they've sucked you into 360 there's no going back, which is strange given its name ....

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Problem with clouds/streaming is that they cease to exist if your interweb fails, which VMs has been doing a bit lately.

Re: TV360
 

What error beyond what's already been corrected?

Tell me the difference between them then? Last time me and Spiderplant discussed this, we couldn't see any difference between bookmarking a VOD programme and selecting a 'cloud recording' of a programme.

Re: TV360
 

If your internet fails, you can’t access recordings on your VM V6, so no worse off…

Re: TV360
 

The Swiss cable system offer...Up to 2,000 hours of recordings
Record up to 2,000 hours of your favorite shows – simultaneously, as a series recording and up to seven days after they aired. All recordings are stored for one year.


Doesn't look the same as our vod system at all.

Re: TV360
 

The way that they are presenting it (as a personal video recorder in the cloud wwould be better than the current system if it had all the same features like QuockView.

It won't be personalised recordings though. If 1,000 people 'record' (I say bookmark) Eastenders they will all be viewing the same stream. Those who choose to watch it via VOD will also be watching the same stream.

Attempts to introduce this system in the UK have been tried and failed due to objections from rights holders in the past, which is why we have to carry out local recordings ourselves.

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In my experience, you can (as long as you don't attempt to reboot the box).

Re: TV360
 

I'm struggling to understand that. On my 360, I can select 'add to watchlist' and instead of recording the programme or series onto my hard drive, I am selecting programmes from the 'on demand' system. And that, for all intents and purposes means 'the cloud'.

Similarly, on the V6, you can 'bookmark' the programme with the same result.

I haven't yet come across any limitation on the number of hours of programming I can access in this way, but apart from that, I don't see any difference between the watchlist/bookmarking system and recording to the cloud. So I think Richard is right on that.

What is the difference you perceive?

Re: TV360
 

RECORD up to 2000 hours.... Recordings are stored for a year.

I perceive that I would have RECORDINGS .... The difference is where they are.

You know how long you have to watch etc whereas shows often disappear from streaming sites or change location etc m

Re: TV360
 

Nonsense - my 360 has a perfect recording facility- almost exactly the same as TiVo and it records 6 programs at the same time instead of 3.

Re: TV360
 

That's great,: never found 3 shows that NEED to be recorded at the same time never mind 6. Sounds like marketing BS to me but each to there own:)

Re: TV360
 

The voice control of TV360 is more than brilliant.
It does almost everything you command, doing away with the need for other buttons and "forward 5 minutes" sees the adverts gone in a split second.

Re: TV360
 

You will have have an ability to record on your main box. Extra boxes won't be abe to record, unless you previously had V6(s) that were updated to the 360 software.

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They may use the term 'record', but in essence it will be a VOD stream with an expiry date of one year from when an individual (and others) bookmarked the programme.

I too can't understand why there is a cap on the number of hours. Maybe it's an attempt to limit the number of programmes in tje system to save on capacity??

Re: TV360
 

I recall reading suggestions a while ago that, underneath the hood, the V6 was in fact a 'V8'. I'm assuming that was an unfounded rumour though, as no software update ever transpired.

Re: TV360
 

What's your source that it's not recordings?

Re: TV360
 

Well, it’s not a recording in the true sense. It is bookmarking. Your ‘record’ button is pressed, and the box bookmarks the programme that’s sitting there in the ‘cloud’ for all to access as they want it. It’s basically just an on demand system.

Re: TV360
 

It does have eight tuners though the V6 software only uses six of them. I suspect 360 software does use all eight (ever noticed how quickly you can channel surf on it?)

Re: TV360
 

You really have to laugh at Richard who, from a position of no knowledge, makes poor guesses of functionality simply so he can have a go at an organisation that he hates for some unreasonable reason.

Re: TV360
 

What is your source of information?

If it was this system then why would there be a limit on recordable hours?

Neither you or Richard have any legitimate source m. Why don't you just say that it's a best guess rather than implying fact?

Re: TV360
 

After a week playing with TV360 and getting used to the handset and screen navigation, I find TV360 the best innovation since sliced bread and highly recommend it.

Re: TV360
 

There is nothing particularly wrong with what it actually does for the most part, it's what it doesn't do that's the problem. The series links are terrible though.

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TV360 records series perfectly, books them a week or so ahead, see nothing wrong at all.

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There is loads wrong with it. There is no real series link home page to see what series links you have and change options for each series. You can't also set a series link for something that isn't planned in the guide. For instance, on the V6, you can search The Apprentice and set a series link and then it will record whenever it's on, be that in 9 months. On the 360, you simply can't do that, which means you have to wait till you know its on, which is sometimes too late.

The above is even more annoying when you've transferred from the V6 to the 360 and have lost 100+ series links. Even if only 50 of them are shows that are ongoing series, that's 50 series links you're missing until you've realised it's too late and it's already started the series.

Re: TV360
 

Exactly, it's bound to be. Why would they actually record thousands of copies of the same programme when they could all simply access the one copy?

It's as ridiculous as suggesting that we should/would all have our own private on demand stream for Eastenders!!

It's all rather acedemic though as it's not available in the UK and won't ever be unless the rights owners change their minds over the issue. .

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I refer you to my previous response where you spoke such nonsense in order to be deliberately vexatious, whilst adding nothing of value to the conversation..

Re: TV360
 

Richard, in your opinion, I am talking nonsense.
You are talking a load of rubbish from a position where you know nothing about TV 360 or its future.
I am allowed my opinion on you and your opinions.

Re: TV360
 

Then play the ball and not the man.

Re: TV360
 

So there's no source. Just a guess.

Why do you post as fact when you don't KNOW?

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If this ever came to the UK, do you really think that every person who wants to 'record' Eastenders will have numerous separate personalised recordings made for them?

They are obviously going to use the VOD stream, at best they may record one for everyone to access if the VOD stream expires before the year is up if they cannot get it extended.

I wouldn't get too upset about it as it's not available in the UK and, going by previous attempts, isn't likely to be.

Re: TV360
 

Who has done it previously?

Re: TV360
 

The rest of the Liberty Global companies have had the cloud facility getting for 5 years now. The number of broadcasters blocking it has reduced to the extent that some functionality is now available in Sky Stream. But with broadcast services diminishing the market for will also shrink. The “hybrid” model Sky have introduced is likely what will happen on VM eventually.

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-st...ing-explained/

Re: TV360
 

Er, row your neck back in, old chap. Can we not have a sensible discussion without you making presumptions about what I know and what I have researched?

You may like to read this, which supports what I have said.

https://www.dignited.com/104225/cloud-dvr/

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Basically, programmes ‘recorded’ (bookmarked) are drawn from a bank of on demand programmes from different sources (eg the provider’s own on demand system, the internet, the AVOD or SVOD provider, etc). When you watching a recording, you are basically drawing on one of these on demand systems.

Of course, if you want to search for a link that you can use to disprove this for me, feel free to knock yourself out.

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No, they are not recordings. The number of hours is a limitation imposed either by the provider or by an industry standard.

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Richard is right when he says that ‘recordings to the cloud’ are not ‘recordings’ in the true sense. You are simply bookmarking programmes that are on demand for your watchlist.

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We already have it on the 360 and V6 boxes, but we also have real recordings to the hard drive as well.

Re: TV360
 

We have on demand with V6 & V360.

However, Horizon (V360) is a cloud recording platform, & the backend systems operate in that way even on Virgin, where the hard disks are causing no end of issues, notably the current CPE IP unknown failures where the cloud server can’t find your hard disk on the network.

Re: TV360
 

Same here as we have been Virgin customers in all its forms for over 25 years

Re: TV360
 

Richard play the ball not the man...... A nice opinion piece you sourced.

Let's see what the future actually holds without spouting opinion as fact.

Re: TV360
 

In my post #72 above, the quote did not come out for some reason. My extract from the article should have read:

A key factor that makes Cloud DVRs easy to deploy is that the operator can store a single copy of each show and stream it to all subscribers who recorded the show. This saves a lot on storage costs and resources of the service provider.

The italicised part of the post #72 were, in fact, my own words.

I apologise for any confusion.

Re: TV360
 

Handy hint - to quote from an article, place the text you want to quote in between the "begin quote" and "end quote" commands (see attachments).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1682255852

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1682256028

Re: TV360
 

Thanks, Hugh.

Re: TV360
 

It's more a case of common sense. I can't prove that the moon isn't made of cheese, but I shouldn't really be being asked to do so.

You have yout belief about how it's done and others have theirs. We're not going to agree and are now going round in circles, so let's leave it there so that what the 360 can/can't & does/doesn't contemporarily do can be discussed.

Re: TV360
 

I have not stated any belief on what will happen. I've just pointed out the fantastical musings put out as facts . All without ignorant. " row your neck back in, old chap." comments

Re: TV360
 

I have never said anything like that.

Re: TV360
 

Ah it was the other one Oldboy.

Re: TV360
 

That was me, and I was correct in what I said. You are questioning what I said without providing evidence to the contrary. I provided you with one of the links that supports what I wrote.

Re: TV360
 

So you were asking me to provide evidence to disprove what you were stating as fact when at that stage you had not posted any links?
Then you come up with an opinion piece. Nice.
Anyway I'll believe the link to an actual cable company over a commentary piece.

Re: TV360
 

I didn't post a link until you challenged me. I am simply pointing out that I have provided you with evidence of what 'recording to the cloud' means.

If you disagree, fine, but without back up of your own, your argument falls a bit flat.

Re: TV360
 

I am amazed at the adverse posts outlining problems which I am not aware of.
In conclusion, I would highly emphasise that my experience with TV360 has been superb and unblemished.

TV360 does everything I need to absolute perfection - high quality vision, superb program guidance, navigation and guidance, perfect recording of individual programs or series and the voice control is fantastic.
I would highly recommend TV360.

It is due to this amazing technology by Virgin that I am able to record that unmissable "must see" mega-series "Keeping Up with the Kardashians"
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/04/1.gif

Re: TV360
 

:D:D:D

Re: TV360
 

It's horses for courses. Whilst the majority of experiences that i've read about it have been negative (with some customers changing back to the V6, despite being initially told that this wasnt possible. This is the reason why I think that they will eventually want everyone to have the 360) If it does everything that you require, that's a good thing.and i'm pleased that you're happy with it.

For me personally, the loss of TiVo features eg QuickView etc outweighs the only benefit to me which is voice control, though your post is so pver the top that it looks like one of those paid for fake reviews you see on places like Amazon!

There's no reason to doubt either opinion.

Re: TV360
 

The reason I suspect they want everyone on Horizon software is so they don't have to pay any license fees to TiVo anymore.

Re: TV360
 

ISTR Virgin buying part of the TiVo company. I remember thinking that they'd done that to save on paying the licence fees. Can anyone remember what it was that they bought (or maybe it's a false nemory)?

Re: TV360
 

Virgin/Liberty Global never bought any part of TiVo company

Re: TV360
 

Just a quick question -
Can TV360 record on standby ?

Re: TV360
 

Yes

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Thanks :D

Re: TV360
 

No they didn't. However, Liberty Global did licence certain TiVo patents and technology for use in their own operating system, Horizon, as did BSkyB for use in their own Sky+/Q, DirectTV in the US as well as various other PVR operators and manufacturers such as the then original Thomson PVR. All under licence from TiVo.

Re: TV360
 

Rovi ended up buying TiVo which was a little ironic for Virgin Media (and pre-sale TiVo) after this - https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015...patent-battle/

Re: TV360
 

Silly question ? Not to me, we all have to live and learn.
When watching a recorded program on TV360, what do I do on the remote control to simply stop watching it, so that next time it plays from the point I left off ?

Re: TV360
 

I press the reverse arrow.. above the volume control.

Re: TV360
 

Or the PLAY/PAUSE button then switch back to live TV.

Re: TV360
 

FWIW, my boxes have been updated to software version 5.02. Still no undelete feature that I can find.