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I think Labour are scoring an own goal here. Huge extrapolation here and I'm sure most people will see through it. It's reprehensible and deserves an apology from Starmer at the very least. Whoever signed off on this needs to ask themselves some difficult questions. https://news.sky.com/story/keir-star...sunak-12851616

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That’s terrible

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And yet if it was the other way round?

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Would be intrigued to know what the substance is behind the data. Just this week in Scotland we had a case of community service being a sentence provoking - rightly - outrage.

Labour are showing their commitment to fighting on culture wars with the tweet I guess. :erm:

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Does one remember the political slurs aimed at Keir Starmer regarding Jimmy Savile when he was DOTPP.

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Or the pressure they put on the bbc to stop saying bozos claims were false

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Would still be terrible

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Pretty poor taste, but that's what politics has become.

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They’ve doubled down with a second, equally poor, one. In regards to the first, their response to the grooming gangs scandal and the way they treated their own MPs when they spoke out……..doesn’t put them anyway near the moral higher ground.

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The first one is terrible, they really need to withdraw it. Awful statement. You can't use that kind of emotive attack, it injects so much poison into politics. The 2nd one is just standard political attack.

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Shows basic stupidity , last time I checked judges set taliffs, not the government. Perhaps it's time to impose minimum terms for crimes , I vote in this case 99 years :D

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Seems to be par for the course these days, from all sides. Ditto the Tories saying Starmer was somehow responsible for Saville. Must work with the dimwit masses, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

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Judges are limited by the sentences for crimes which are determined by an independent council. That said the Government can set the direction for it. Although it's actually the SNP and Scotland that was the most recent example of a too-lenient sentence for abuse handed out though.

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It would be much better if both sides tried to actually have a proper grown up discussion about the issues. But it never seems to happen. I’m just getting the impression from the current inmates of Parliament are failing to have any sensible plan for any issues at all. That they are just biding time until the next GE.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exual-assaults

No apologies from Sir Keir. He’s whistling to the English dog thinking that’ll get him over the line.

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I read that they go back to 2010, Rishi only became a MP in 2015 and the PM in 2023.

I hope this bite Liebour on the bum and costs them votes.

I for one will never vote for them ever again thanks to Corbyns brexit uturn to remainer.

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Starmer was sitting on the committee that approved the sentencing guidelines he is now objecting about.

https://twitter.com/archrose90/statu...EjG2H-W-Bot21g

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:rofl:

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Whatever, you didn't know what you were voting for anyway, people like you were a godsend and frankly we've heard enough of your nonsense on this subject, couldn't be arsed to acquainte yourself with the facts but that didn't stop you having a strong opinion on it nevertheless

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Oops!

Starmer seems to have gotten away unscathed with the Tweet. Perhaps the drama at the SNP has drawn some of the media's attention away from it. More luck than judgment but that's politics.

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Now we’re talking let’s get this culture war on the road.

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Indeed. I don't think that the Conservatives want to fight on crime or the economy which they may have once favoured.

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This Government is essentially a post truth administration, gaslighting the nation everyday. Labour has a choice: fight in the gutter with the Tories or try and stay aloof and say "Stop lying or we'll say stop lying again".

I guess they are seeing how fighting the Tories with their own tactics gets on.

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I have been conflicted about the adverts since they started coming out. In one side, is this the kind of politics we want? The other side is that I don’t believe for a second that the Conservatives will come flying out with these kinds of adverts when the time comes. Previous electoral adverts show that very clearly.

Note that no conservative politician has come out against these adverts. That kind of tells you what kind of campaigning we can look forward to.

The final thought is that Rishi Sunak currently polls higher than the Conservative Party as a whole so targeting him is an obvious strategy at this point

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With no policies of their own Capt. Hindsight has to resort to smear tactics. :rolleyes:

Forgetting that his own tenure in the CPS was hardly covered in glory.

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You wouldn't be applying smear tactics would you?

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How do you apply a smear? Do you smear it?

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Here's the best parody of the Labour ad I've seen. :D
Credit: https://newsthump.com/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1681247914

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Sky News makes a good point about why Labour might be doing it.
https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-...-know-12855153

Personally, I don't like the inaccuracy of the campaign and I think it's a terrible thing to accuse Sunak of. Some have argued that as BoJo accused Starmer of deciding to not prosecute Saville this campaign is fair game. In my book, two wrongs don't make a right (or left).

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Exactly. In the end it'll the economy, the NHS and crime they'll do it for them. None of which have really improved, a lot of which is now worse.

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First two ads, have had Twitter context labels added on them, which shows them up for what they are, bullshit.

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Whatever Sunak does, this alone will likely prevent him winning the next election:

Living standards set for largest drop since 1950s, says fiscal watchdog

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That doesn't tell us anything we didn't know this time last year.

and as you rightly point out in another adjacent thread

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That link is from this time last year, and those predictions actually happened (in fact, it was worse than those predictions).

They predicted inflation going towards 9% and a decline of 2.2% in living standards this year and next, when in fact inflation reached 11.1% in October 2022, and the decline in living standard is now forecast to be a 5.7% reduction over 2022/23 and 2023/24.

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That's not my argument. My argument is that this is whay will prevent Sunak winning.

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It wont be anything to do with that.

Inflation could go down to 2% Wages could up, immigration could be reduced, small boats stopped.

and it's still highly unlikely he'd win.

This government has run its course.

Labour will win, but not because they offer an exciting vision, or an idea to rally behind.

they'll win because of apathy and i doubt it will be anything like the majority they expect.

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Good, any sort of coalition that gets proportional representation implemented gets my vote

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Agree 100%. Unfortunately as soon as any party is back in power it may not seem such an important issue any more and could go on the back burner.

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Maybe not. Labour needs something like a 10% lead to get a majority. I think if they get under a 5% lead it's even possible for the Tories to be the latest party.

Although if Scotland opens up for them again it might be easier.

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That's a certainty imo.