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1andrew1

03-03-2023 16:54

Boris misled just about everyone.

Surely not!

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Johnson may have misled Parliament over parties, say the Priviliges Committee

Boris Johnson may have misled Parliament over Partygate on four occasions, MPs investigating his conduct say.

Evidence strongly suggests breaches of coronavirus rules would have been "obvious" to Mr Johnson, the privileges committee said in an update.

On Friday, the committee published its initial report, including some previously unseen photos of Downing Street parties and a number of WhatsApp messages from officials.

The report highlighted four occasions where Mr Johnson may have misled parliament:

When he told the Commons on 8 December 2021 no rules or guidance had been broken in Number 10, after Ms Gray and the Met Police had "already come to the conclusion that was not correct"
When, in the same statement, he relied upon statements from his advisers that the rules had not been broken instead of using other evidence available to him
When he failed to tell the Commons about his own "personal knowledge" of the gatherings where the rules or guidance had been broken
When he gave the impression that there needed to be an investigation by Ms Gray to establish whether any rules had been broken

The report says Mr Johnson "did not correct" misleading statements he made in the Commons at the "earliest opportunity", as would have been expected from an MP.

The report found "evidence strongly suggests that breaches of guidance would have been obvious to Mr Johnson at the time he was at the gatherings".

It also said there was "evidence that those who were advising Mr Johnson about what to say to the press and in the House were themselves struggling to contend that some gatherings were within the rules".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64836425

Mr K	03-03-2023 17:11

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And this is from a committee where Conservatives are in the majority.

He's an habitual liar, he knows it ,we know it , MPs know it.

1andrew1

03-03-2023 17:23

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147374)

And this is from a committee where Conservatives are in the majority.

He's an habitual liar, he knows it ,we know it , MPs know it.

His modus operandi, as he might say. ;)

Paul	03-03-2023 17:49

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Old News. :sleep:

1andrew1

03-03-2023 18:15

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147383)

Old News. :sleep:

Report only published this afternoon.

papa smurf

03-03-2023 18:18

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based on the labour insider report.

Paul	04-03-2023 01:33

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147389)

Report only published this afternoon.

Im sure you can work this one out, but since you pretend to be so dense, "parties" are old news, no one except the press cares anymore.

Maggy

04-03-2023 09:32

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May have? May have?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hugh	04-03-2023 10:18

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https://apple.news/AMZAdmy3rQr6jpojl1AJtTw

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The document published yesterday by the privileges committee was not its final report into Boris Johnson’s conduct, but a summary of the issues that the MPs intend to raise with him in a public hearing this month.

Their document began by restating the context for the investigation. In April last year, the Commons voted to commission the committee to investigate whether Johnson was in contempt of the House when answering questions from MPs about lockdown rule-breaking.

They said they were considering four overarching matters: “What Mr Johnson said to the House; whether what he said was correct or whether it was misleading; how quickly and comprehensively any misleading statement to the House was corrected; and if it is established that the House was misled, whether this actually constituted a contempt of the House by impeding the functions of the House”.

If the committee finds that any of Johnson’s statements were misleading, it will then “consider whether that was inadvertent, reckless or intentional”.

The committee said: “We are not conducting an investigation into ‘partygate’ or the culture and behaviour of No 10 and officials who worked there over the relevant period. While we are concerned to establish the facts of what occurred in No 10 for the purpose of discharging our obligation . . . we are not repeating the inquiry which was conducted by the Metropolitan Police or the investigation conducted by [Sue Gray] . . . Our inquiry has not considered the conduct of any individual other than Mr Johnson because our mandate from the House is to look specifically at Mr Johnson’s conduct.

Mr K	04-03-2023 10:45

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Tbh he's hated by Tories, hated by Labour, hated by the public. Suspect his wife and his ex' s aren't that keen.
The only person that loves Boris, is Boris.

Anonymouse

04-03-2023 12:59

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He's a politician. Max Headroom said it best:
How do you know a politician's lying?
His lips move.

1andrew1

04-03-2023 18:46

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147415)

Im sure you can work this one out, but since you pretend to be so dense, "parties" are old news, no one except the press cares anymore.

The importance of the story is that if Johnson is found to have misled Parliament by the Committee, then he will be suspended and a by-election called.

TheDaddy

04-03-2023 19:33

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147465)

The importance of the story is that if Johnson is found to have misled Parliament by the Committee, then he will be suspended and a by-election called.

Isn't that if 10% of his constituents demand it there will be a by election. I suspect they might, doubt he's spent 10% of his time in his constituency since he was forced out of office in disgrace

1andrew1

04-03-2023 21:14

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36147466)

Isn't that if 10% of his constituents demand it there will be a by election. I suspect they might, doubt he's spent 10% of his time in his constituency since he was forced out of office in disgrace

I'm not an expert on this but this is where I think I read that information.

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If Mr Johnson is found to have misled Parliament, he could be suspended as MP or expelled, creating a by-election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64836425

Paul	04-03-2023 22:43

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147465)

The importance of the story is that if Johnson is found to have misled Parliament by the Committee, then he will be suspended and a by-election called.

Read the whole article, its not quite as simple as that.

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But the committee's findings, and any sanction on Mr Johnson, would have to be approved by a vote in parliament.

Russ	05-03-2023 07:50

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Oh, so Bullshitting Boris “may have misled” parliament?

In other news bear “may’ s**t in the woods and the Pope “may”’be Catholic.

Honestly BB has normalised lying so much that allot of people’s attitude is now “so what”.

The fat **** needs to be booted out of politics for good. Yep most (if not all) politicians will lie but he’s no longer even bothering pretending to be telling the truth.

Maggy

05-03-2023 10:32

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36147481)

:tu:

Hugh	05-03-2023 11:55

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36147481)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1678017230

1andrew1

05-03-2023 12:04

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If there is the potential of a Commons vote on whether Johnson misled the House, I suspect he may dial down his his whingeing on Sunak's NI Brexit deal and quietly vote for it. Now is not the time for him to lose favour with MPs, it's a time to be winning their hearts and minds.

We'll see.

peanut

21-03-2023 13:44

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"Boris Johnson: I misled MPs, but not intentionally or recklessly" = "I'm just really stupid".... What a plank.

Damien

21-03-2023 14:21

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That was his original defence, that no one told him it was against the rules.

peanut

21-03-2023 14:28

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36148562)

That was his original defence, that no one told him it was against the rules.

How can that wash, when he was probably the most informed person in the country and the most responsible at the time. Unless he think we're all far far more stupid than he is.. But comes down to do what I say not as I do.

1andrew1

21-03-2023 15:12

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147415)

Im sure you can work this one out, but since you pretend to be so dense, "parties" are old news, no one except the press cares anymore.

Quite a few posts after mine today suggest this is not the case.

Paul	21-03-2023 15:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148567)

Quite a few posts after mine today suggest this is not the case.

No it doesnt, a few posts from anti tory posters means nothing.

I actually talk to (lots) of people outside of this forum, they care about inflation, energy costs and other things that directly affect them, not some party two+ years ago.

Hugh	21-03-2023 16:00

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36148561)

"Boris Johnson: I misled MPs, but not intentionally or recklessly" = "I'm just really stupid".... What a plank.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36148562)

That was his original defence, that no one told him it was against the rules.

So his Partygate defence seems to be that even though he was on TV every night repeatedly telling the country what the rules were and how important it was that those rules should be followed, he himself was unaware of what those rules were, because he wasn't listening to what he himself was actually saying all the times he said them?

denphone

21-03-2023 16:39

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It was not me Guv, honestly...

Hugh	21-03-2023 16:56

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Johnson’s case for the defence…

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...te-allegations

1andrew1

21-03-2023 18:53

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148568)

Peanut, Damien, Hugh and Denphone are not anti-Tory last time I checked.

It's also possible for people to care both about the cost of living and whether they feel a recent PM has operated one rule for him, one rule for everyone else.

Paul	21-03-2023 23:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36148584)

It's also possible for people to care both about the cost of living and whether they feel a recent PM has operated one rule for him, one rule for everyone else.

Its also possible, and considerably more common, for them not to care.

This story is only news because the press (and of course, other politicians who love to attack Boris or the Govt) want to keep making a fuss about it, not becasue Joe public suddenly decided to care. (Yes, Im sure the usual twit crowd will be "outraged" as they are about ... well everything).

Even this topic is pretty low in the forum activity list, in 3 weeks, just 27 posts, and aside from you, only 5 other people have cared to post more than once, and one of those (me) has only posted more than once to keep replying to you - something I dont intend to keep doing as I also have far bigger things to care about.

Boris is a total plonker, we all know that already, its a surprise to no one, people have moved on. You should try it.

1andrew1

21-03-2023 23:55

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36148589)

As a rule, the media avoids topics that won't be of interest to their readers and viewers. Knowing your readers' interests is what made editors like Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail and Kelvin MacKenzie of The Sun highly successful.

In terms of what's happening, I think it's less about looking backwards and more about looking forwards to tomorrow's hearing. That's when Johnson faces potential suspension from Parliament. It's political history in the making and knowing Johnson's speaking skills, will make for a good show as well.

Regarding today's coverage, it's being more driven by Johnson sharing his defence in advance. And less by the media and anti-Tory politicians trying to dredge an old story up.

So, why not pull up a pew tomorrow and watch British history in the making? But I'll understand if you don't. We're all different and life would be less interesting if we weren't. ;)

Maggy

22-03-2023 11:39

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Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares..

ianch99

22-03-2023 12:46

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As Paul, and others, have said: Johnson is a moron. The only important thing is that he never holds office again.

Hugh	23-03-2023 09:41

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Today’s Metro front page…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1679564456

ianch99

23-03-2023 19:31

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Johnson is toast

daveeb

23-03-2023 20:41

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148664)

Johnson is toast

Let's just hope he falls buttered side down and is burnt to the point where it's inedible.

RichardCoulter

23-03-2023 22:28

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He could lose his seat over this. I do hope so as he isn't fit to be part of our political system in any capacity.

Ms NTL

23-03-2023 23:12

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36148665)

Let's just hope he falls buttered side down and is burnt to the point where it's inedible.

Pierre

26-03-2023 20:23

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36148600)

Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares..

+ 1

ianch99

27-03-2023 14:38

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36148600)

Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares..

Why don't you care that the ex-PM lied to Parliament?

Pierre

27-03-2023 19:38

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148806)

Why don't you care that the ex-PM lied to Parliament?

Because in the great scheme of things it’s Westminster naval gazing looking for belly button fluff.

Johnson, has gone. It’s been dealt with.

Can we focus on trying to improve the economy, reducing inflation and helping people improve their lot. Which going after Boris, when he’s now just an irrelevance, doesn’t do.

Maggy

27-03-2023 22:40

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148806)

Why don't you care that the ex-PM lied to Parliament?

Did I say that? No I didn't.Try actually READING what I said.:rolleyes:

ianch99

27-03-2023 23:24

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36148843)

Did I say that? No I didn't.Try actually READING what I said.:rolleyes:

I did, you said:

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Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares.

So, do you care?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36148833)

So you think it is acceptable that PM's can lie to Parliament. Strange ...

I personally think that this relates to trust. Trust in who we elect, what they say and, when in the next serious national crisis, whether we believe them do that they ask.

Sephiroth

28-03-2023 00:09

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148850)

I did, you said:

So, do you care?

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So you think it is acceptable that PM's can lie to Parliament. Strange ...

I personally think that this relates to trust. Trust in who we elect, what they say and, when in the next serious national crisis, whether we believe them do that they ask.

Ooh er: Trust! Which politician has ever been trustworthy apart from Churchill? Maggie was the next closest followed by John Redwood, of course.

The sanctimonious garbage you've just put out is a trifle worrying. Well not really - who cares about your beliefs in this direction?

We elect the politicians because someone has to govern. The basis for selection is nearly 100% grounded in prejudice and fickleness (as in the Red Wall).

Which leads me to Boris. He is only fit for politics, yet, as a chronic liar, totally unfit to successfully lead a country such as ours. Although that committee is unfairly biased, it's about time something unfair happens to him and their decision, if it goes against him, needs to be cleared through Parliament. I just hope that the red hot poker goes straight up his rear fundamental - so to speak.

1andrew1

28-03-2023 07:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36148833)

Johnson is still an MP picking up an MP's salary so not gone in the conventional use of the term.

We will align closer with our major trading partner to improve the economy, reduce inflation and help people improve their lot in due course.

Pierre

28-03-2023 07:22

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148850)

As I said, It’s been dealt with.

jonbxx

28-03-2023 08:52

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148850)

Exactly this. The legislative body of the United Kingdom can only act properly if the facts presented to it are correct. Acting on incorrect information is how bad laws are made.

Of course mistakes can be made which is why, by convention, members of Parliament are required to correct statements which might mislead the house as soon as possible. It seems that, at best, Boris Johnson has not done this and, at worst, hid the truth from the house.

It could be argued that his statements did not have anything to do with legislation but statements to the house should be true (as known at the time) in all cases or the house cannot work in good faith

TheDaddy

28-03-2023 13:50

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148855)

Ooh er: Trust! Which politician has ever been trustworthy apart from Churchill? Maggie was the next closest followed by John Redwood, of course.

Redwood of course, who said amongst other things if we leave the EU there will be more growth in the economy, food will be cheaper, power will be cheaper and there will be fewer unhelpful regulations, you know like the ones which prevented the wholesale dumping of sewage into rivers, deadwood is as full of shit as those waterways and so is the rest of the party for that matter

daveeb

28-03-2023 14:23

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148875)

Rees Smugg did clarify this nonsense with a 50 year timeline to see it kick in. The sunlit uplands could be a mere handful of generations away. Hoorah :rolleyes:

ianch99

28-03-2023 14:31

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36148843)

Did I say that? No I didn't.Try actually READING what I said.:rolleyes:

So my facts aren't right? Why don't you explain your remark then:

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Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares

You think that the nation i.e. you included, will say "so what who cares" implies you don't care.

Care to elaborate? I am not a mind reader

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36148863)

Thank you, some sanity around here

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148855)

The sanctimonious garbage you've just put out is a trifle worrying. Well not really - who cares about your beliefs in this direction?

Why are you making this so personal? Are you saying I should not express my opinion on this forum?

Itshim

28-03-2023 17:14

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Why are you making this so personal? Are you saying I should not express my opinion on this forum?

Why should you be the exception :confused:

ianch99

28-03-2023 18:33

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36148894)

Why should you be the exception :confused:

Explain?

Sephiroth

28-03-2023 22:47

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148875)

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

The UK will forge its own path - dips have occurred first (mainly due to Covid and now Ukraine), then rising because British business will want to thrive - despite a useless government.

I was amused by your "full of shit" remark, though in total disagreement on the Redwood element of it. The rivers are "full of shit" because of greedy water companies taking advantage of lax laws (nothing to do with Brexit).

ianch99

28-03-2023 23:33

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148905)

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

The UK will forge its own path - dips have occurred first (mainly due to Covid and now Ukraine), then rising because British business will want to thrive - despite a useless government.

I was amused by your "full of shit" remark, though in total disagreement on the Redwood element of it. The rivers are "full of shit" because of greedy water companies taking advantage of lax laws (nothing to do with Brexit).

So full of shit.

‘Brexit to blame’ for UK’s sewage problems

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The prime minister’s own father has said Brexit is to blame for the UK’s current sewage predicament.

Speaking on LBC, Stanley Johnson said Britain was known as the “dirty man of Europe” before joining the European Economic Community, now the EU, in 1973.

Stanley said European regulations, which he was involved in writing, had transformed the quality of bathing water around the whole of Europe”, adding the UK “really did get a cleanup”.

Pressed on the subject this morning, Feargal Sharkey confirmed the PM’s dad’s analysis, saying you have to blame the government for this “whole sorry mess”.

1andrew1

28-03-2023 23:52

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148907)

So full of shit.

‘Brexit to blame’ for UK’s sewage problems

We're now a Third Country to the EU. Best not get someone with an Irish accent to say that. Then again that would probably be correct as well. :D

TheDaddy

30-03-2023 12:33

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36148876)

Rees Smugg did clarify this nonsense with a 50 year timeline to see it kick in. The sunlit uplands could be a mere handful of generations away. Hoorah :rolleyes:

When you're from Victorian times 50 years is nothing

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148905)

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

I'm not blinded by anything other than wanting people to be held accountable for what they've said

1andrew1

30-03-2023 12:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148971)

When you're from Victorian times 50 years is nothing

:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36148971)

I'm not blinded by anything other than wanting people to be held accountable for what they've said

Exactly. Because someone has the gift of the gab shouldn't make them unaccountable.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36148905)

The rivers are full of brown cod partly because the UK is over influenced by lobbyists and MPs readily in their pockets. They can't easily be voted out due to our electoral system. We've swapped blue flags for blue passports.

Chris

15-06-2023 09:23

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The Partygate report is out, and Boris has received quite a shoeing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-65876914

jfman

15-06-2023 09:25

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Do we need to change the thread title because he’s been found to have deliberately misled Parliament?

(And as if by magic) :D

Chris

15-06-2023 09:26

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:angel:

GrimUpNorth

15-06-2023 09:29

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And when you read his reply he's showing his true colours. Pathetic man.

ianch99

15-06-2023 09:42

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36148664)

Johnson is toast

Delicious ... :D

1andrew1

15-06-2023 09:50

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90 days' suspension merited!

I remember when many of us thought that 10 days' suspension was pushing it!

I hope that those ultra Johnson supporters on fact-free diets get time to read and reflect on the report.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36153813)

And when you read his reply he's showing his true colours. Pathetic man.

The report is some comfort to the bereaved families but Johnson's contempt for British democracy is deeply unpleasant.

Kursk

15-06-2023 09:54

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Remoaner stitch up.

Mr K	15-06-2023 10:18

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A liar?! Well that is a surprise....

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153819)

Remoaner stitch up.

2 leading Brexiteers on the Conservative dominated comittee.

denphone

15-06-2023 10:23

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153819)

Remoaner stitch up.

Given the Privileges Committee has a Conservative majority, l think not.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36153824)

A liar?! Well that is a surprise....

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2 leading Brexiteers on the Conservative dominated comittee.

Max Hastings and Matthew Parris two prominent Conservative supporting journalists worked that out a long time ago.

Damien

15-06-2023 10:39

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It's interesting how invincible some politicians are, until they aren't. Tony Blair used to be called Teflon Tony because scandal didn't stick to him until after a certain amount of time it did.

Boris Johnson was the same. No matter what he did, what he said, how often what he said wasn't true it just never seemed to dent him that much. 'It's Just Boris!' as the stumbled this way through another screw-up or getting caught in a lie until Partygate when he could no longer get away with it. Now (almost) everyone suddenly grew tired of him and instead of being the entertaining clown he was just a clown you couldn't trust.

Kursk

15-06-2023 10:46

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The Great Remoaner Sandwich Stitch up committee. Pitiful.

Dave42

15-06-2023 11:24

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153829)

The Great Remoaner Sandwich Stitch up committee. Pitiful.

enjoy living on fantasy island that be why the vote was unanimous and it had brexit supporters on it

1andrew1

15-06-2023 11:52

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153819)

Remoaner stitch up.

Except the unanimous committee was full of Brexiters. #FactFreeDiet

Kursk

15-06-2023 13:49

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I’m sure the Sandwich Committee have impeccable qualities and histories :D

Brexit success, war in Europe, Pandemic, NHS crisis etc and a sandwich. It’s a lot to have on your plate. I know, let’s investigate the sandwich.

Remoaners. Gotta love ‘em. Very bitter and very poor losers. But losers nonetheless.

Hugh	15-06-2023 13:52

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153829)

The Great Remoaner Sandwich Stitch up committee. Pitiful.

Four Conservatives out of seven Committee members, and of those -

Sir Bernard Jenkins - Brexiteer & member of ERG (arch-Brexiteers), long-time ally of Johnson
Sir Charles Walker - Brexiteer

The Committee voted unanimously on the measures.

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153837)

I’m sure the Sandwich Committee have impeccable qualities and histories :D

Brexit success, war in Europe, Pandemic, NHS crisis etc and a sandwich. It’s a lot to have on your plate. I know, let’s investigate the sandwich.

Remoaners. Gotta love ‘em. Very bitter and very poor losers. But losers nonetheless.

Oh, the irony…

1andrew1

15-06-2023 14:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153838)

Oh, the irony…

It's pure projectionism isn't it?

Sephiroth

15-06-2023 14:04

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Sanctimonious Toads: Boris is alying toad.

Lying Toad: It was a Kangaroo Court

Kangaroo Court of Sanctimonious Toads: No Parliamentary pass for you, you lying toad.

Here’s the conundrum: everyone knows that he’s a lying toad; many, if not most, hold the MPs in the same contempt as they held Boris. And then thete are the next level of toads who got gongs and the like from Boris and want his babies.

Pot/kettle/Boris.

Kursk

15-06-2023 14:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153838)

Oh, the irony…

Please corroborate that view with one of your 10,000-link specials.
No, please don’t :rolleyes:

The democratically-elected leader of the UK has been supplanted by back-stabbers and remoaners.

jonbxx

15-06-2023 16:22

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153843)

The democratically-elected leader of the UK has been supplanted by back-stabbers and remoaners.

Boris, is that you?

jfman

15-06-2023 16:34

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153843)

Please corroborate that view with one of your 10,000-link specials.
No, please don’t :rolleyes:

The democratically-elected leader of the UK has been supplanted by back-stabbers and remoaners.

I don’t know what remain has to do with it. Backstabbing has been a professional sport for the Tories since forever.

Hugh	15-06-2023 16:42

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153843)

Please corroborate that view with one of your 10,000-link specials.
No, please don’t :rolleyes:

The democratically-elected leader of the UK has been supplanted by back-stabbers and remoaners.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36153847)

Boris, is that you?

Nah, it’s Nads… ;)

mrmistoffelees

15-06-2023 16:55

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153843)

Please corroborate that view with one of your 10,000-link specials.
No, please don’t :rolleyes:

The democratically-elected leader of the UK has been supplanted by back-stabbers and remoaners.

Nobody forced him to quit, in fact isn’t it only his constituents that could get rid of him ?

Hugh	15-06-2023 17:29

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36153851)

Nobody forced him to quit, in fact isn’t it only his constituents that could get rid of him ?

And only if the Sovereign Parliament MPs voted to ratify the Report, which could then, and only then, lead to a Recall Petition signed by 10% of the constituents in his Constituency…

You know, the democratic way, rather than resigning in a huff…

1andrew1

15-06-2023 17:38

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36153849)

I don’t know what remain has to do with it. Backstabbing has been a professional sport for the Tories since forever.

Careful where you go(ve) with that. ;)

A known liar is elected to a position of responsibility and continues to lie. Who'd have thought it?

I think some of the hard-of-thinking are still playing catch-up with reality.

Monday's vote should prove interesting. Will Conservative MPs support the condemned liar whom some believe helped get them elected? Or do they support the decision of the democratically-convened committee?

Kursk

15-06-2023 17:56

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36153847)

Boris, is that you?

No. Perhaps that's a lie though (gawd).

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36153849)

I don’t know what remain has to do with it. Backstabbing has been a professional sport for the Tories since forever.

Remain has everything to do with it and millions of Brexit voters can see right through this sham.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153850)

Nah, it’s Nads… ;)

GoNads.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36153851)

Nobody forced him to quit, in fact isn’t it only his constituents that could get rid of him ?

Strategic withdrawl, not quit.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153858)

I think some of the hard-of-thinking are still playing catch-up with reality.

How rude. Do I detect increasing aggression in your frustration?

1andrew1

15-06-2023 18:42

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153860)

How rude. Do I detect increasing aggression in your frustration?

Accurate not rude. Hopefully, the penny will drop for many MPs come Monday once they've had a chance to read the report.

The only frustration is coming from the ultra Johnson supporters who are slowly and belatedly coming to terms with the fact he won't return as an MP.

Hugh	15-06-2023 18:51

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153860)

No. Perhaps that's a lie though (gawd).

Remain has everything to do with it and millions of Brexit voters can see right through this sham.

GoNads.

Strategic withdrawl, not quit.

How rude. Do I detect increasing aggression in your frustration?

Brave Sir Boris bravely ran away… ;)

https://64.media.tumblr.com/37d591b2...qcto5_250.gifv

Re "strategic withdrawal" - he’s not renowned for that (ask his mistress who he got pregnant whilst his then wife was undergoing cancer treatment…).

Kursk

15-06-2023 19:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153867)

Re "strategic withdrawal" - he’s not renowned for that (ask his mistress who he got pregnant whilst his then wife was undergoing cancer treatment…).

:D Excellent, dragged you down to my level. No real man is going to pull out on the best bit :angel:

ianch99

15-06-2023 19:38

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153841)

Sanctimonious Toads: Boris is alying toad.

Lying Toad: It was a Kangaroo Court

Kangaroo Court of Sanctimonious Toads: No Parliamentary pass for you, you lying toad.

Here’s the conundrum: everyone knows that he’s a lying toad; many, if not most, hold the MPs in the same contempt as they held Boris. And then thete are the next level of toads who got gongs and the like from Boris and want his babies.

Pot/kettle/Boris.

Question: was he a lying toad when head of the Leave campaign in 2016?

OLD BOY

15-06-2023 19:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153865)

If MPs are doing their jobs, they will ask the Chair of the Conduct and Privileges Committee why they have not directly addressed the points that Boris Johnson made in his defence.

On the face of it, they’ve made their decision on the basis that this is Boris, and not on the evidence he has submitted in his defence.

I do recognise that some of you aren’t really interested in relevant information that might actually be helpful to BJ.

Hugh	15-06-2023 19:45

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1 Attachment(s)

Footnote from the PPC Report…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1686854721

Hugh	15-06-2023 19:46

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153876)

If MPs are doing their jobs, they will ask the Chair of the Conduct and Privileges Committee why they have not directly addressed the points that Boris Johnson made in his defence.

On the face of it, they’ve made their decision on the basis that this is Boris, and not on the evidence he has submitted in his defence.

I do recognise that some of you aren’t really interested in relevant information that might actually be helpful to BJ.

Oh, the irony…

OLD BOY

15-06-2023 19:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153865)

They said that about Arnie.

Hugh	15-06-2023 19:48

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153880)

They said that about Arnie.

You do realise it wasn’t real life, don’t you?

OLD BOY

15-06-2023 19:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153878)

Oh, the irony…

No irony here, Hugh, just wilful incomprehension on your part.

It’s fascinating seeing you all come in for the kill, with no expectation as to whether justice has been done in this case.

You just hate Boris Johnson. End of.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153881)

You do realise it wasn’t real life, don’t you?

They just keep coming, Hugh! Go on, tell us another one!:rolleyes:

denphone

15-06-2023 20:15

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153882)

Nothing to do with people hating Boris Johnson but still you are quite a expert at whataboutery and deflection so l suppose your utterly predictable reaction comes as no surprise to many of us.

1andrew1

15-06-2023 20:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153876)

They've looked at all the evidence, not just that submitted by Johnson. And that evidence includes his rather desperate attempts at intimidating the committee.

You need to read beyond Johnson's sound bites. You shouldn't just decide that because you like Johnson, he can't put a foot wrong and you loathe Starmer so the latter must be guilty. You need to take a more evidence-based approach. Fortunately for British democracy, in the democratically-constituted committee we have a bunch of grown-ups who're able to do exactly that. A majority of them are Conservative who have put country before party politics. I appreciate the decision may be harder to swallow than the populist, comforting sound bites from Johnson but like those parties and misleading Parliament, it's reality.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36153887)

Nothing to do with people hating Boris Johnson but still you are quite a expert at whataboutery and deflection so l suppose your utterly predictable reaction comes as no surprise to many of us.

I hope enough Conservative MPs can summon up the courage and vote to drain the swamp on Monday.

True Conservative supporters will want to learn the lessons from Johnson's assault on democracy whilst putting some space between the current regime and Johnson's. Until this is done, he will haunt the Party like the ghost of Banquo haunted Macbeth with journalists willing to remind the public that Sunak was fined too.

Maggy

15-06-2023 20:52

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Think of this as a plot for Yes Prime Minister...

1andrew1

15-06-2023 21:14

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36153892)

Think of this as a plot for Yes Prime Minister...

It would be thrown out - no PM would lie to Parliament that many times, would they? ;) It's unprecedented.

Hugh	15-06-2023 21:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153882)

No irony here, Hugh, just wilful incomprehension on your part.

It’s fascinating seeing you all come in for the kill, with no expectation as to whether justice has been done in this case.

You just hate Boris Johnson. End of.

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They just keep coming, Hugh! Go on, tell us another one!:rolleyes:

You are mistaken in that assertion - I try very hard not to hate anyone (the old “If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you” thing…).

However, I intensely dislike what he’s done to the Conservatives, the Country, all for his self-interest, and not for what he truly believed - he is a lying, philandering narcissist, which is not the type of person I would support or defend - ymmv…

Just read the Times editorial, and the last paragraph summed it up

Quote:

(Boris Johnson is) fond of quoting the Greek philosopher Heraclitus, who observed that “character is destiny”. In the end, Mr Johnson could not defy his. Therein lies his tragedy.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...b2bbb8b0285334

1andrew1

15-06-2023 23:11

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A good summary for once from The Express. It details 10 bombshells from the report, below. I think it's encouraging that the paper is not trying to defend the indefensible.
1. He was aware of the rules and had “knowledge of breaches” of these rules in Number 10.
2. He misled the House on numerous accounts
3. He hid behind the Sue Gray report to avoid giving evidence
4. He continued to lie to the House and Committee after initial findings
5. He was ‘deliberately disingenuous’ in trying to rewrite the rules to suit his narrative
6. The Government gave emails, Whatsapp messages and photographs to the committee — but Boris only had “a limited number of WhatsApp messages"
7. He “deliberately closed his mind” to the facts of social distancing breaches
8. He was complicit in the “campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation” of the Committee
9. His statements last week were in breach of direct confidentiality instructions and are a further offence
10. He should be suspended for 90 days — but he’s already resigned.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-committee-spt

Dave42

15-06-2023 23:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153897)

A good summary for once from The Express. It details 10 bombshells from the report, below. I think it's encouraging that the paper is not trying to defend the indefensible.
1. He was aware of the rules and had “knowledge of breaches” of these rules in Number 10.
2. He misled the House on numerous accounts
3. He hid behind the Sue Gray report to avoid giving evidence
4. He continued to lie to the House and Committee after initial findings
5. He was ‘deliberately disingenuous’ in trying to rewrite the rules to suit his narrative
6. The Government gave emails, Whatsapp messages and photographs to the committee — but Boris only had “a limited number of WhatsApp messages"
7. He “deliberately closed his mind” to the facts of social distancing breaches
8. He was complicit in the “campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation” of the Committee
9. His statements last week were in breach of direct confidentiality instructions and are a further offence
10. He should be suspended for 90 days — but he’s already resigned.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-committee-spt

you mean that remoaner plot that all out to get Johnson OH WAIT he was banged to rights and rightly so

Hugh	15-06-2023 23:14

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153876)

If MPs are doing their jobs, they will ask the Chair of the Conduct and Privileges Committee why they have not directly addressed the points that Boris Johnson made in his defence.

On the face of it, they’ve made their decision on the basis that this is Boris, and not on the evidence he has submitted in his defence.

I do recognise that some of you aren’t really interested in relevant information that might actually be helpful to BJ.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8...42f9757dd41273

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On Thursday last week the committee sent a draft of its conclusions to Johnson and his lawyers “under secure invigilated conditions”. Each page of the document said “PRIVILEGED AND IN STRICT CONFIDENCE — FOR THE USE OF MR JOHNSON AND HIS NOMINATED LEGAL ADVISERS ONLY,” adding: “It is a contempt of the House to reveal the contents of this document.”

The report states: “Within 24 hours of receiving our warning letter, on Friday 9 June 2023, Mr Johnson announced his intention to resign as an MP with immediate effect, broke the confidentiality of the process by revealing the contents of the warning letter and linked material, and attacked the committee.”

It adds: “At the time we wrote to Mr Johnson, we had come to no final conclusions, since we awaited his response. In making his statement when he did, Mr Johnson knew that the committee would be unable to make a substantive response until it had completed its inquiry, and his assertions would be unchallenged. We note that Mr Johnson does not merely criticise the fairness of the committee’s procedures; he also attacks in very strong, indeed vitriolic, terms the integrity, honesty and honour of its members.

1andrew1

15-06-2023 23:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153899)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8...42f9757dd41273

Indeed.

Before anyone proclaims that the report does not address the points that Johnson made in his defence, it's a good idea to read the report first!

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