Nicola Bulley disappearance: police find body in river
 

No identification yet but let’s face it, the chances of it not being her are slim.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64697300

It’s a tragedy and her family will be feeling very low right now, as they had refused to believe she fell into the river and believed she was still alive somewhere.

You would hope this would now put an end to the Tik-Tok idiots who all fancy themselves as true crime investigator podcasters but I suspect this is only going to set their brainless conspiracy theories off in a whole new direction. What a time to be alive. :(

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Sad news especially if it is Ms Bulley. So near to home. I thought that part of the river would have been checked by either the police or Peter Faulding who led a private underwater search team.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...r-disappeared/

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Of course if you're a conspiracy theorist how long has the body actually been in the river?

I guess the autopsy will answer that.

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The problem is the river moves, not just downstream towards the sea but also in terms of water height depending on rainfall, which also affects speed of flow. She (assuming it’s her) is about a mile downstream from where she is likely to have fallen into the water and her body is going to have moved at varying speeds, sometimes being trapped or freed by the changing height and speed of the flowing water. It would have been very difficult to find her unless the entire length of the river had been searched simultaneously, which would have been impossible. In all likelihood, when this area was searched, she wasn’t there.

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If she’s been kidnapped, then killed and dumped back in the river, the post-mortem will indeed reveal that. However I’d submit that the chances of anyone dumping a body in the river under such scrutiny are slim in the extreme.

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Well, the guy from SGM comes across as a bit of tool at this moment.

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SGM? (Sorry I’ve not been following events that closely).

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Apologies, my mistake. SGI.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2281739.html

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Still not clear on what SGI is?

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The divers? Think they were call SGI though.. :shrug:

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They're specialist divers, they do a lot of body recovery and forensic underwater work for police forces in southern England

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Cheers, makes sense.

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Specialist dive company that, apparently, do this kind of thing all the time.

If you’ve been following the story ( and I appreciate in Scotland it wasn’t probably a lead story) the head guy from SGI categorically stated that in no way was Nicola Bulley in the River.

He is on record and because of his insistence of this ( there’s videos and interviews, his position is well documented) it fuelled a lot, if not all, of the noise and alternative theories around this incident.

This guy said on record that there was no way, at all, that Nicola was in the river. He was on tv, criticising the police….etc. I’m sure he will go quiet. He had his 5 mins.

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Certainly a substantial amount of egg on face for him, although I suspect there will be plenty to go round. The police and mainstream media have much to reflect upon, in addition to the armchair investigators.

I hope the coming hours and days offer a conclusion.

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Thanks.

That being the case, I hope his stock price does take an appropriate hit. However, unless he is sufficiently professional and humble to state clearly and publicly that he got it wrong, the fact that she has now been found in the river is likely only to be grist to the mill of the conspiracy nuts. To a conspiracist, evidence that undermines their theory is evidence of a cover up and therefore evidence of the conspiracy.

BBC News at 6 and 10 is the same in Scotland as everywhere else, despite long-running attempts by Nats to force the BBC to devolve its national bulletins. ;). I’ve just taken a deliberate decision not to get mired in all the armchair expert bolleaux. I still remember how unpleasant things got on this forum after Madeline McCann went missing - we had our fair share of moronic armchair detectives here at the time.

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The EXPERTS Found NO Body in that River. I Bet she was dumped in there after they switched search to the Sea.

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Sigh!:rolleyes:

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The experts, were searching for a needle in a haystack, and tried to use this to big themselves up.
Dog walkers are the experts at finding bodies.

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Not sure how that could have been done with all those police and morbid tourists around.

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They were in on it too :spin: :nutter: :tiptoe:

Bit disappointed with the SGI fella, he was adamant he knew what he was talking about :(

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Sky News have Kay Burley reporting from an actual graveyard.

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Rather than from a "pretend" graveyard? ;)

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Me too.

I can't imagine his sales team are too troubled by incoming leads at the moment. ;)

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Presumably looking for people with sadness in their eyes.

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Dogs surely?

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I wish the news media would just report the facts and stop presenting conjecture as facts.

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The Times Scotlandwas a bit on the nose!

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Stop watching or reading it and as if by magic they will

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Juxtaposition. Sub editing 101. The fools.

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Sky News and ITV have been condemned by the family.
Family statement: https://www.lancashire.police.uk/new...xhd2LY.twitter
Video: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/stat...26899395891202

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Given thay have been making statements to TV/Press over the last 3 weeks, I dont really have much sympathy for them complaining now.
They even complained about it in .... a statement to the Press/TV.

FYI, the body has been confirmed as hers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-64708765

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Actually both Sky and ITV may be in breach of the Editors’ Code, clauses 3 and 4 (dealing with harassment and intrusion into grief, respectively). The fact that the family have spoken to the press in the past confers no obligation on them to speak in future and no right for journalists to pursue them. And, if asked not to continue pursuing and questioning, journalists must stop. There would have to be an overwhelming public interest argument to justify their continuing, which they absolutely will not be able to prove against the backdrop of a bereaved family asking for space in the hours after a body was discovered. Especially when intrusive, amateurish investigations are already a feature of this case. Sky and ITV had better hope the family are suitably mollified by the good kicking meted out on their behalf by the BBC this afternoon.

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Yes, I expected you to be along to defend them. ;)
My view is not changed, as far as I'm concerned this has made this into a national media event, with their help, its no good complaining about it at this stage, is just a little too late. "There would have to be an overwhelming public interest argument to justify their continuing" - it seems to me there was one - 170,000 people disappear every year, and yet this was turned into a national story.

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When employed as a journalist, adherence to the editors’ code was part of my contract of employment. So yes, naturally I’m aware of what it says and, having done more ‘death knocks’ than I care to remember, am personally aware of just how distressing even that first approach to a bereaved family can be for them, before they’ve even considered having to ask reporters to leave them alone (thereby leaving us technically free to do so, with due sensitivity).

Oddly enough these provisions were enough to keep all the other major news outlets away, at least in the immediate aftermath of Nicola’s body being discovered. Sky and ITV are the outliers here.

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Speaking to the media dies not give them permission to contact you when they want to, whatever your state of distress and your explicit requests not to.

I wouldn't blame the family for trying to raise awareness of her disappearance in the hope that she would be found alive. It's the responsible thing to do.

In this context, I can't see that there is a public interest exemption. Public interest concerns matters like energy pricing, the running of local councils, congestion zones, etc. It's not about how often a missing person story appears in the news or the number of sightseers.

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Of course it does.

You see what you want to see. ;) You cant go making a media fuss and then complain when the media tries to contact you.

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You need to make a distinction between what you think is reasonable behaviour and how journalists are obliged to behave via their industry code of practice.

Your opinion, obviously, is yours - you may well think it’s obvious that the family’s prior contact with journalists gives those journalists the right to behave as some of them have over the past 24 hours.

However, in terms of the code of conduct they are held accountable to - it empirically does not.

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I'm not sure appealing for witnesses to someone's disappearance can be called a fuss!

Nor should appealing for witnesses give the media a 24/7 direct line to you. You don't sell your entire personal rights forever to the media when you do that.

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Not really. :angel:

They specifically complained about the media "making contact" with them.
Given that a body had been found [unidentified at the time] then its perfectly reasonable that they would want to speak to them.
That contact was presumably refused, and that was that, since they dont say anyone continued to hassle them, only that they "contacted them".

Yes, its very unfortunate how this ended [and sadly it went as everyone expected] and its terrible for for her children.
However, as far as I'm concerned, the "family" are just lashing out at the media for doing their job, when there really was no need to do so.
[ Not even just the media, they also attack members of the public for "accusing their dad of wrongdoing, misquoted and vilified friends and family" ].
Not sure what thats about, Ive seen this is the news every day for 3 weeks and not seen him accused of anything.

Anyway, I'm not going to spend hours going over this, we can agree to disagree. Thats life.

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Stick to politics Andrew.

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It's unfair to my fellow forum contributors to limit my contributions to just one area. ;)

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I don't.I buy no newspapers and I avoid TV news as much as possible apart from watching local TV news(for local news).24 hour news channels are/was a big mistake IMHO.

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It’s not looking great for ITV or Sky this morning.

The former editor of the Sunday Telegraph, Baroness Wheatcroft, has gone on the Today programme this morning to demand the press regulator look into their conduct. Meanwhile, the former Editor-in-Chief of ITN, Stewart Purvis, believes if ITV and Sky thought they had a decent defence against the allegations of unwarranted intrusion they would have aired it by now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-64713045

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Hopefully it will as, if there was any foul play involved, the person responsible needs to be caught.

If she had mental health problems or had been drinking she may simply have jumped in or her dog might have pulled her in.

An accident as opposed to suicide or foul play would probably provide her family with a crumb of comfort.

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Celebrities using the media to get famous does not give the media the right to hound them in their private life.

Getting the media involved to help in a missing person case does not give the media the right to pester the family.

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I find this whole saga very weird. Totally unhealthy obsession by all sorts of people: news outlets, social media, etc.

I feel so sorry for the family.

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I think the case received more attention/interest than other missing persons cases because of the unique circumstances of her dissappearnce.

My heart goes out for her family too.

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I feel that this is the essential point here. There are so many missing people and this one gets all this airtime, personal intrusion, etc. So wrong. Feels more like a Victorian freak show ...

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Well ITV and Sky really are in very deep doo-doo indeed now. The editors code is to an extent self-regulated; an industry standard backed and maintained by the industry itself, which the statutory regulator (IPSO) may refer to when making determinations. But broadcasters are also subject to statutory regulation by Ofcom, which does not have to refer to the industry’s own preferred code of conduct. And it has now written to them both and demanded an explanation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-64713045

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That man who was digging up some rough ground - excuse me mate did contact the police no you went and dug the ground for yourself idiot.

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An important development. It wasn't a story that I'd followed much - as Paul pointed out 170,000 people go missing each year - but the family's statement about media harassment really stood out for me. It must have done the same for the folk at Ofcom too.

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Specialist divers who failed to find Nicola Bulley have been removed from the National Crime Agency expert list

The specialist diver who claimed he'd find Nicola Bulley if she was in the River Wyre has reportedly been removed from the National Crime Agency's experts list.

Peter Faulding's Specialist Group International (SGI) has assisted in several high profile investigations and joined the search for the missing mother for three days before he sensationally guaranteed she was 'not in that section of the river'.

According to The Times, SGI was this week dropped from an official list of experts recommended to assist in investigations on the Expert Advisers Database pending investigation .

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He certainly got drunk on the attention and came across as a dick.