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A black man was beaten and killed by five police officers.

So where are the riots in the street and across the US [and the UK] - where are the BLM protests.
I guess we need more knees to be taken by football players, seeing as its clearly worked so well. :dozey:

Anyway ... turns out the officers were black as well, so I guess that explains it. :erm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64420124

Of course, someone still had to try and twist the blame onto white people ... even though none were involved.

Apparently it was Tyre Nichols fault for not being white. :rolleyes:

You could not make this nonsense up. :sleep:

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Sadly I think it's a police versus the public rather than white on black,black on white or black on black issue.:(

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Actually it's Black versus everybody, including other Black people. How many Black people have been killed by BLM protestors?


When White people have been killed in similar circumstances, it barely makes the news, and certainly doesn't get a comment from the President.

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How does it not make sense? Just look at the reality. At least(that I know of) 2 Black people were killed in BLM protests. One of them was a 8 year old girl. In the UK which groups are responsible for most stabbings, and which groups tend to be their victims?

If he had just complied with the Police officers, it would likely have just all passed off with incident. Instead he decided to run and resist.

Why do they seem to think that whether they are completely innocent or were a serial killer, that if they run away or resist, they should be let go? Don't get that mentality.

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Not sure that running away from the police merits getting beaten to death - seems a bit harsh...

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Really makes perfect sense to me . It's because I am * * * * mentality , it's not my fault it's yours no matter what I did .

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I know we have issues with the police but you look at the complete lottery that is US Police Departments and see how much worse it could be. The quickness to random violence and lethal force there, the militarisation of many of their police forces and the lack of training in de-escalation is mad. Too often you see examples like this where they resort to the most extreme actions immediately.

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Try to walk in their shoes , cant say that anyone in there right mind would become a street cop today:erm:

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Links to said similar circumstances?

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Anyone seen the video, it's quite sickening and if you haven't seen it my advice is to carry on not seeing it :(

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It was on the BBC site, but my PC would not play it :erm:

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Yes, saw it a little earlier today. It absolutely beggars belief. I am unable to comprehend a culture that allows anyone in uniform to think it’s acceptable to beat a man senseless with a baton, while he is restrained and prone on the ground. The things people do, especially the things we do in any official capacity, don’t occur at random. They arise from our ingrained sense of what’s proportionate, what’s acceptable or at the very least what we think we can safely get away with.

And this wasn’t a ‘bad apple’ incident. There were *five* of them, and the bloke with the baton clearly decided what he was going to do with it and went ahead with some determination, while the rest of them actively facilitated it and then conspired to spin the story in an acceptable light afterwards.

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Saw it on the Sky News site earlier.

I wasnt aware until then that he actually ran off after they first stopped him, and they then chased him, and beat him up when they caught him.

Running off was probably not the best plan, but the way they acted on catching him is unforgivable, they were nothing more than thugs in uniform.

How on earth did they think they would get away with this. They need locking up, for a very long time.

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Given the treatment he got right from when they first pulled him over, you can see how he might have thought running for it was a viable plan. It takes quite some self discipline to lie still on the ground when you’re pretty sure someone’s about to start beating you. Turns out he was right to try to run, given that the fatal beating occurred after he was captured, restrained and posing no danger to anyone,

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There's body cam footage of the arrest before he ran off, the roughing up he received then caused him to leg it

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You have clearly seen more/different footage then.
What I viewed did not show anything that really warrented legging it, and almost entirely concentrated on events after they caught up with him.

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Nothing he did or didn’t do warranted what actually happened. Nothing!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...o-description/

He ran away after he had been pulled out of his car and pushed to the ground by police.

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And tasered. While already on the ground. And restrained.

He ran because why wouldn’t you? He was clearly about to get brutalised and had nothing to lose by attempting escape.

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I see this different to everyone else.

Now before I carry on, nothing condones what happened. With hindsight, we know what happens, as it was happening, there was no reason to run because he thought he was going to be murdered or anything similar. Infact he might still be alive if he just complied in the first place of lay on the floor instead of turning around resisting the inevitable.

Just to be certain for those who will jump on me, I don't condone the end result. But you need to question why he resisted, why he ran, why he was still resisting after pepper spray.

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He did comply from the get go that’s been clarified multiple times from multiple
sources.

This was a group of officers drunk on their own powers who decided everyone was fair game to their methods of dispensing justice. It’s not the first time that this group have been reported for their methods.

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Because in America, black men get pulled over and beaten - sometimes to death - by the police. The calculus is simple really.

I suspect you’re imagining a policing system akin to what generally happens in the UK. It’s not like that at all.

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No he never, the order was to face the floor which was ignored by turning around and telling them he hadn't done anything as can be seen on the body worn camera.

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Ah well obviously deserves it then….. every single following action is justified

Go away read this & educate yourself a little

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64442019.amp

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Nonsense. Reread the post were I specifically stated I don't condone what happened.

Or watch the body footage which did show him resisting.

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No it didn’t at all, multiple lawyers have stated he complied but was disoriented that is not resisting, read the article on Bloomberg.

EVEN if he was non compliant that does not justify being tasered whilst you’re restrained on the ground never mind the brutalisation that occurred afterwards so your point is null and void

The use of both non lethal & lethal force comes with significant responsibilities, this was just a pack of animals hungry for blood

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From my previous post

Perhaps he (mistakenly, as it turns out) thought he had more chance of not being beaten to death if he ran away? Maybe he felt (by the fact the Officers’ words weren’t matching their actions) that excessive force would be utilised by the Officers?

It doesn’t matter anyway - killing someone because they ran away isn’t appropriate; we shouldn’t blame the victim for what was done to him.

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You don’t "condone what happened" but you do intimate that perhaps he was to blame (by running away).

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But it did, he was told to lay on the floor, he never. Regardless if he was disoriented, he still didn't comply. He was tasered while resisting and then ran off. If he was restrained, how did he then run off? It doesn't make it null and void, its a difference of opinion on how he reacted.

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But it's a fact that potentially he could be alive right now if he complied properly. That's not blaming him, that's just stating facts of life.

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Suggest you read Hugh’s post above who has clarified it much more eloquently and with better evidence than I have.

You’re wrong and you point is null and void /end

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No it isn't.

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It is, because it’s a meaningless observation.

Also, because you state you don’t condone the police officers’ actions and then set about apportioning blame to the victim. You may not outright support the police but you sure are reducing their culpability by laying some of it on the victim. Stating that you ‘don’t condone’ something as a cover for victim-blaming is as disingenuous as starting a sentence ‘I’m not sexist, but…’.

Nobody should ever - ever - get that sort of beating even if they are resisting arrest. That behaviour simply shouldn’t be in the police officer’s toolkit, officially or not.

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it's a fact that potentially he could be alive right now if the police hadn’t beaten him to death. That's not blaming them, that's just stating facts of life.

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It's not victim blaming, it's an observation of what happened. It's also like saying, you wouldn't leave your car unlocked, but... Common sense needs to play a part.

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You are correct, I didn't say otherwise.

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Its also an observation to say they could have beaten him to death if he had stayed where he was.

Neither observation has any supporting evidence, only surmise…

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Point being he did run off, with no supporting evidence that he was going to get beaten to death. I was making on observation of why time after time, people do that, its never going to end well.

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He had already been subject to significant abuse by the police BEFORE he ran off.

Right from the start the officers in question acted in an unprofessional manner and did not execute their duties in the manner expected this then deteriorated and deteriorated until the outcome.

There was no attempt at the use of reasonable force. There was nothing that the victim could of done that would have pacified them, they were in prey mode and looking for a target.

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The initial treatment he received before he ran suggests to everybody and everything apart from lobotomised plankton that he was at significant risk of severe physical harm.

It's called fight or flight

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This morning on Sky News, Dr Shola, claiming the 5 black officers, were gate keepers, to white supremacy. What kind of race baiting bullshit is this? :rolleyes:

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Agreed!

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He ran off because it obviously wasn't going to end well if he stayed.

Would you have remained there knowing you could easily get beaten to death? Or could stand a chance of saving your life by fleeing?

This is not Dixon of Dock Green territory.

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You mean unlike the previous occurrences where people were beaten to death or shot by US Police when they were unarmed?

The relevant point is that the police shouldn’t beat someone to death, whether they run away or not - there is no mitigation on their behalf because someone ran away, or any blame allocated to the dead person because they ran away; trying to do so is ingenuous.

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There is a difference between blaming someone for running away and pointing out that doing so was almost certainly not going to end well. Given it was in America, its perhaps surprising that they didnt just shoot him as he ran.

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Had he? You see that everyday in the Police, it looks horrible, sounds horrible, but it's done in a manner to shock the person they want to arrest, dragging them from the car, shouting at them, getting them on the floor in an aggressive manner, you can watch it on the Police shows like Police interceptors. At that point he was resisting and kept turning around of the floor talking to them disobeying the orders.

Considering the above, I'm not sure he thought he was at significant risk 100% is a excuse for running. I'm not saying it didn't play a part but as it happens all the time, the percentage risk of him being harmed if he complied would be pretty low, with running adding to that risk.

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Where is the evidence to say that the pulled him over to seriously harm him? Running away from the Police is never going to end well in any circumstances, never mind in America where they have guns.

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What percentage risk are you at due to previous occurrences over everyday Policing that never gets reported?

I don’t disagree, never have disagreed. But we all need to take responsibility for our actions.

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But he can't do that, coz he's dead

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Clearly, which he might not have been if he had complied from the off.

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There you go again, implying that it was somehow the victims fault that he died.

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Spoken like a white man.

I think you have no idea what it’s like to view these encounters from the perspective of someone who is twice as likely to be shot and killed by police as an ethnically white person.*

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...oups-rcna17169

* disclaimer - I’m a white man so I don’t know what it feels like either. But I believe it’s possible to infer a little by reference to statistics and personal testimony. I also believe it’s important that we privileged few try to do so.

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Am I? If you leave you car unlocked and get valuables stolen from it, (or locked and valuables on show) I wouldn't take the blame away from the people that stole said items. Its still stupid to leave valuables on show in your car though, just as its stupid to resist arrest and run away from the Police, but I ain't saying he deserved to die by the beating he got. Though you can question the actions he took without actually blaming him for being dead.

It's simple logic to be honest.

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Isn't that just slightly racist? Especially considering you don't actually know me or my skin colour.

I ask again, at what percentage risk of being harmed was he at if he had complied? Considering the vast majority of Police stops never even hit the news.

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It actually isn’t, and your analogy is deeply flawed. If you believe you’re at risk of serious harm by staying put, and unfolding events show that risk is increasing, the potential benefits of running away begin to outweigh the risks of it.

This issue simply can’t be reduced to a comparison with an unlocked car, by which you demonstrate an almost comical lack of understanding of race relations in the USA.

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As a white man I’m hardly being racist critiquing the attitudes I observe within my own community. :dozey:

And yes, I’m pretty sure you’re also a white man. Please don’t try to get me to back down with weak insinuations - if you’re something other than ethnically white just say so and I’ll retract my comments.

The relevant statistic here is that black men are twice as likely to die at the hands of the police as white men in the USA. And the relevant fact from this specific incident was that he was *already*being*harmed* by his compliance. Unless you think a taser up the arse while someone yells in your face telling you to do what you’re already doing doesn’t constitute ‘harm’.

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The only risk there was at the time of the stop was past happenings in America which no doubt is a extremely small percentage considering the amount of stops they do. At that point of been pulled from the car and been told to lay on the floor, he failed to comply. At no point was there risk to his life shown other than again a small percentage of past happenings.

I'm not comparing the issue to a locked car, I'm comparing victim blaming to a locked car.

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What's the fact your a white man got to do with anything? You directly quoted my post with the quote "spoken like a white man", not knowing the colour of my skin, simply because I have a difference of opinion. The very fact you'll retract your comment if it turns out I am black speaks volumes about the comment itself.

That's not the relevant statistic at all. The relevant statistic should be at what percentage are black men beaten by Police. Just because they are twice as likely to die at the hands of the Police (which we all know is a problem which shouldn't happen) doesn't mean he was at a high risk of dying at the hands of the Police. You could go even further and break down how many black men are killed by Police that are white and that are black.

I don't disagree there is a problem in the USA, but that wasn't my point.

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He was being beaten up and tasered whilst complying with police instructions. That's the evidence.

As I said, would you have remained there knowing you could easily get beaten to death? Or would you flee to increase your chances of living?

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A point that’s been made multiple times before yet ignored as it doesn’t fit the beliefs…..

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At the point of being dragged from the car, he wasn't getting beat up yet still resisted. So he wasn't complying originally.

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And you’re wrong again….

The footage released only begins after police confront him at an intersection at 8:24pm local time - police say the initial traffic stop was not filmed but we don't know why.

Footage of Mr Nichols' fatal encounter with Memphis police
He is immediately dragged out of the car and thrown to the ground by officers with guns drawn.
"I didn't do anything!" Mr Nichols says early on, and he complies with the officers' instructions.

From
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64442019

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None of what you have written states I'm wrong apart from the part that states he complied, he never, they told him to lay face down to which he repeatedly kept twisting and talking to them. That's not what he was asked to do.

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That’s not what happened…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2271825.html

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And you don’t think that his being dragged from the car without first having an opportunity to get out of his own accord might just have set the tone for the entire incident?

I’m really struggling to understand why you’re so desperate to apply cold logic to a situation that from the outset was the diametric opposite of that. Everything that happened to this guy from the moment he stopped his car contributed to the sense that he was not safe and it only went downhill from there.

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You've just used a longer quote to show what I said. He was dragged from the car and pushed to the floor with instructions to lay face first which were ignored, hence resisting.

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That happens often, even over here.

Because its good to have a differing opinion. It also brings to the point on why so many people fail to understand that resisting is never going to work well.

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Do you have stats to support this wild conjecture?

Not sure the poor guy got a chance to resist arrest, he was dragged out of his car and thrown to the ground.

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And here’s what can happen when you don’t resist…

https://youtu.be/eJB_DcUmNJU

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1675110508

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1675110508

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1675110508

Or was he putting his hands on his head in a threatening manner?

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No I don't, but we do see it often in the Police shows like Police interceptors.

At which point he started resisting.

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I don't think anyone has said it can't happen.

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Then it's not really a fact and so should be discounted. You can't base your analysis on reality cop shows!

Shows like Police Interceptors aren't meant to be a statistical representation of real life. They are there to gain viewers and therefore make money for Channel 5 et al.

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Key word there, reality. They aren't just pulling people out of cars to look cool on TV, it's their job.

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Yes. Those who make the series decide which incidents should be shown and not those being filmed. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out what will maximise the viewer figures. Key word there, common sense.

Do not confuse reality TV with a statistical representation of what happens in real life.

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You've totally missed the point and gone on one about reality TV.

If it was The Bill or any such show, you'd have a point. It doesn't matter which incidents they show or not, it's the fact the incidents are still real and the fact they do pull people out of cars and throw them on the floor. It's their job, they aren't doing it because it's going to be on TV.

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No one's saying that the incidents in Police Interceptor don't happen or that they are putting it on for TV.

What's important is which incidents are aired.

You must surely be able to appreciate that situations where little or nothing happens don't make it off the cutting room floor. Whereas incidents with a story to tell and lots of action, will make it onto our screens, as these attract the most viewers. An alien landing in the UK without a critical mindset might assume that these are representative of most arrests.

I'm sure you know better than that alien. And I hope you can appreciate that such action-packed incidents are untypical of the majority of arrests in this country.

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You do know they happen on a day to day basis up and down the country don't you? To think they don't is very naive.

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No one has said that these incidents don't occur on a daily basis. But they're not representative of the majority of arrests.
Police Interceptors is focused on the ones which just make good telly...so you see them most.

Entertaining as it is, if you are hoping to take an evidence-based approach to police arrests, Channel Five's Police Interceptors should not be your dataset!

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Based on that theory we should discount all the video of this incident (and others).
Just because its being filmed by better cameras, for a TV show, doesnt suddenly mean its not real, or didnt happen. :rolleyes:

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Being chased and beaten to death by the police is not 'typical' in the US either, but it still happened. :dozey:

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I didn't say they were representative of the majority of arrests, you seem to be just arguing with yourself over reality TV shows.

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Where did I say it didn’t happen? The point I was making to Mythica was that it's the interesting ones which get shown, many more get filmed.

Obviously.

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I already quoted it once.

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Three emergency workers have also been fired in relation to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64408456

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She plays the race card at every opportunity.