> 44000 Households TV Licence Fees spent on New Logos
 

Over 7 million quid

8 months to get the BBC to issue the freedom of information for this. They tried and tried to get of releasing it

The Logo is barely any different and simply a new font

It is shameful and a scam simple as. Time for them to scrap it

Dunno if this is the right place it is news I guess

Money well spent... Not

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...tv-licence-fee

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Probably not, but why is it time to "scrap it" ?
The money is already spent, scraping it wont get them a refund.
Since they have paid for it, they may as well get some use out of it.

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I meant the licence fee full stop

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Oh gawd, not another licence fee thread....

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This one is highlighting a massive waste of money. Thought it might be of interest. The title makes the content obvious you could have easily avoided opening it

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I happen to agree on this point. The BBC ought to be held to account in this way. It raises revenue like local government but prefers to behave like a private company. It can’t have it both ways and deserves to have its feet held to the fire.

That said, I still think a national broadcaster funded from a (near) universal charge is the best way of ensuring a basic level of quality and breadth of service in British broadcasting.

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I agree with your first paragraph but not your last. Why should we have a licence fee if some don’t make use of the service and when this guaranteed flow of money encourages waste like this? ITV could just as easily act as our national broadcaster. The BBC has become bloated and steadily angers people by its increasing wokery and excessive expenditure, such as the example given by the OP. There are plenty of other examples that have been exposed by the press.

Enough is enough.

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ITV is its own explanation for the limits of commercially funded public service broadcasting. Its offering is is just so limited. When you look at the back catalogue of stuff ITV franchisees were making in the 1960s and 70s, where is that content now? They make soaps, reality shows, talent contests and police procedurals. Where is the adventure, fantasy, sci fi, heck even decent local interest programming? Did you know Granada used to produce a brass band competition in northwest England? The reality is that ad-funded broadcasting simply can’t support niche content like that. Gerry Anderson’s iconic puppetry, high concept sci fi like Sapphire and Steel, even action/adventure series like The Saint, The Professionals and The Avengers … all of it commissioned or part-funded by ITV. None of it the sort of stuff ITV is making today.

The benefit of a universal charge is that everyone pays a little and it ensures everyone gets a slice of the pie. It may seem trivial compared to schools and hospitals but the principle is the same. We all pay equally regardless of the extent to which we actually need the resource because we believe the resource is for the greater good of society as a whole.

If you think that broadcasting is just about making the TV shows you like, you won’t get this at all. But public service broadcasting isn’t just about that, and never has been.

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We don't believe it's for the greater good anymore though, two million households have ditched their licences because they don't watch the bbc or live tv and that trend will only grow as the bbc does nothing to entice these people and the ones that follow their lead back, much like newspapers their day is done, it's just a matter of time

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:clap::tu:

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Maybe.But in the meantime can we please accommodate those that do wish to continue with the present arrangements which I find perfectly affordable.

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You are obvious keen on highlighting waste of taxpayers money. I look forward to your many, many threads on the waste of many, many more millions/billions of taxpayers money by this Government.

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And here is a prime example of a troll. Joins into a conversation adding nothing of use to it but having a go at another poster

What do you actually think about the subject I posted about?

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So which is it - that you don’t believe it’s for the greater good or that you don’t watch it?

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Both, the bbc offers nothing now that's unique except for how it's paid for, which is why people are ditching it in droves

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BBC is still an incredible pipeline for British talent though. So many actors, writers, directors, musicians and, often overlooked, technical staff come through it. That is one of the reasons why there are so many British cultural exports and why we have so many new studios being built here for Hollywood and streaming content to be made, the U.K. has an abundance of talent.

I worry we'll just become another dumping ground for American homogenised content and nothing that is unique about British culture or comedy will be commissioned because it's easier to dump us with inoffensive and broad American exports.

Not to mention BBC Local Radio and BBC radio generally which is certainly not all commercially viable but just because BBC Radio Lancashire, for example, isn't profitable is not a reason to dump it. Things have more than a monetary value, something isn't pointless just because it doesn't make a profit for shareholders.

I am not sure if the licence fee can stay around forever but if not alternative public funding needs to be there for the BBC. It should remain publically owned and concerned with producing British talent and public service broadcasting, providing service beyond the bottom line of an accounting book.

Some people in Government seem to think their purpose is to slowly wind down Britain and chip away at the things we're good at and replicate them with multinational companies that make a profit for American venture capitalists in Califonia.

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You give the BBC far too much credit for UK actors etc for Intenational success and studios being opened here.

It was the film industry through international releases which first put our actors out there not the BBC.

Any actor other than perhaps the headline one (and they've beeen replaced) has to go through casting, possibly via a show reel first but definately via an audition and there will possibly hundereds going for the same role.

All the BBC (or theare roles does) is give the actors the money to go to the US and sign uo with US agebts. If they suceed is down to the result of auditions they have.

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Of course wastage is bad but organisations do re-brand on a regular basis. The debate on if the sums spent are value for money is a subjective one. Many private sector companies spend much more than this on rebranding.

However this is not the point I was making: the Tory Press click bait headlines on "BBC wasting fee payers money" is just that, a distraction from the real issues that affect us in this country. I do not not see many threads on the 500 people dying every week in queues for emergency care, as a prime example.

It just shows what people really care about ...

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So this .. :clap:

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Have you started one ?

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Again, missing the point.

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all mouth and no trousers aint ya? spout your crap about trivial posts highlight one you do not consider trivial yet still not bothered to post it

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The BBC (and Channel 4) commission a lot of television from new writers and actors. A lot of them either start there or at the National Theatre. Benedict Cumberbatch for example got his first serious roles on the BBC. Jesse Armstrong of Succession fame on the BBC and on Channel 4 with Peep Show. Which, along side the BBC Mitchell and Webb shows, also gave Oliva Coleman a bigger audience.


Past work gets noticed. Auditions are not purely speculative, past work is often leaned on for obvious reasons. It gives actors a showreel, it gives agents something to show casting directors and it gives the actors experience and name recognition. It helps get them agents in the first place.

They still need to audition but to get to the audition they often need something to be noticed. Otherwise casting directors have tens of thousands of speculative audition tapes.

Look at Daisy Edgar-Jones. Got a breakout role in Normal People then suddenly is cast in several Hollywood films. That isn't a coincidence, the work in Normal People noticed.

Long story short: The more British shows to be made in Britain that risk casting unknown British talent the more actors will get a chance to breakthrough.

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With all the subscriptions I have now, I hardly ever watch the BBC. Happy Valley is back on I watched that, that’s it.

I would be happy, if the BBC charged at a subscription rate, in line other providers, of around £7 per month.

I don’t think it’s value for money, compared to what’s out there.

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BBC local radio :rofl: they have more people working on the station than listening at some times, it wouldn't be so bad paying for it if it had an audience

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7.8 million listen to BBC local radio each week.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eners-reached/

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:rolleyes: course they do, I suppose BBC radio scotland hasn't lost 180000 listeners, BBC Newcastle isn't in an audience slump and BBC london hasn't lost 31% of its audience or to put it another way, a million listeners. Their main stations are hemorrhaging listeners to, they don't do anything better than independent stations these days and frequently do it far worse

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That's just the live radio listeners. A lot have moved to BBC Sounds: https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022...ng-mini-budget

The above doesn't include people who use third-party podcast players like me.

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What a waste of money!


Glad I stopped paying years ago.

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So by your figures, BBC London alone still has over 2 million listeners?

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Over the course of a week, in terms of audience reach they've collapsed, like all their stations, yet interestingly the commercial stations that meet the regulators bare minimum requirements for local output have seen their audiences increase

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I think the attacks on the BBC illustrate a kind of British Disease. We attack and neglect things that are truly wonderful and add value to our culture and communities, yet when they are gone, we will be the first to moan about the lack of the things we used to have. The BBC is certainly one of these. It is a unique British institution that we should value and support. When it is gone, you just have another 100 channels with nothing on.

I'll also add the following to this list:

- the corner shop & newsagents
- high street shops e.g. bakers, fruit/vegetable shops, department stores, hardware stores, etc.
- sub post offices