Salman Rushdie is attacked
 

BREAKING:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08...?smid=tw-share

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Interesting to see no condemnation from the left on this attack…

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Who are "the left" in this context?

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Was referring to the Corbynista’s on here, we still have a few.

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Tbf there's not been many posts full stop on this and I don't know about anyone else but I thought the best response to this attack was to order a copy of his book

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Nobody has condemned it on here at all.

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To be fair, although I cannot stand Corbyn personally, I believe he has condemned this outrage. I think he did this before Starmer which is no real achievement.

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Until now, I condemn it. Along with other forms of brutal unjust attacks.

If he makes it through, he’s lost an eye according to news reports.

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I guess this goes to show a FATWA has no expiry date

Horrid thing to have happen to him and those who had to experience it

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The security will be in question. He has had this against him for decades and i think it just sort of went away but clearly the risk was always still there.

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It’s an Islamist attack and should be condemned. Political Islamists and fanatical/fundamental Islamists should be condemned as far right wing nut jobs, which they are. There is no place for them in any society.

The left worry though because, in the West, Muslims are an ethnic minority. Therefore making them an oppressed group by the evil white male tyrannical patriarchy and not able to have their own agency, they must be a subjugated minority for it to stack up in the lefts mentality.

Therefore, when they rape, murder, oppress and mutilate in the name of their religion with impunity, the western left have no answer to this and it scares them. So they shut up and left it happen and complain about other stuff white people do.

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An interesting qualification. Surely all attacks should be condemned?

Or can white people (or states) carry out attacks that aren’t worthy of condemnation?

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I thought I condemned it by buying his book, tbh though does it need condemning, on what planet is this sort of thing ever justified, it's so heinous does it really need people voicing disapproval to clarify that

What cobblers

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A statement of fact, any other baggage you attach to it is yours alone, do you disagree with any other of my post?

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Well at least you call it as you see it, JFman could learn from you.

It’s not cobblers though is it?

Rotherham, Rochdale, Halifax, Telford, Huddersfield……………

Batley Grammar School, Bradford Cinema ……….

I would say they affirm my point.

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Who hasn't condemned it? This only happened yesterday and not everyone needs to take to Twitter/Facebook to offer their own personal condemnation. I think you can assume most people condemn attempted murder unless they express otherwise. This vanity that people think the world needs their own personal statement to be added to the record is weird. As is the scorekeeping on how quickly someone can condemn it. This isn't a competition.

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I don’t hear much from politicians in Government about that either, because the elephant in the room is they don’t want to publicly fund social services or policing to the extent required to prevent it. If the systematic rape of some poor white girls in the north is the price worth paying for tax cuts then so be it is the attitude. Individual responsibility, innit?

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It’s a competition for the right because it distracts from their own multitude of failings in Government to focus on a culture war.

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Indeed, and I presume the OP is of that view too, so I was slightly bring pedantic in light of the statement made that there was no rush from the left to condemn. Technically nobody had.

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I agree it is not a competition - Ok truth time, I posted what I did in post two, as a test, pip posted this thread yesterday and it had not received a single reply, I saw elsewhere that Keir Starmer had been a bit slow in his applying his own public condemnation for the attack for some reason.

It was very partisan of me, I basically should have asked, why the hell has nobody responded to what is essentially a very heinous attack, on a well known novelist?

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As an excuse it is, Muslims aren't an ethnicity they're a religion

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BREAKING: Sir Salman Rushdie was stabbed about 12 times - including in the face and neck, a US district attorney's office has said. - Sky News

The wound in the facial area caused a puncture to Sir Salman's eye, the Chautauqua County District Attorney's Office said.

A wound to the abdomen caused a puncture of the author's liver.

There were also multiple further stab wounds to the abdomen and chest area.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-salma...-says-12672711

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Oh my goodness that is a frenzied attack. Horrible obviously for him but for those who witnessed it also

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Not sure what excuse you’re referring to?

I’m talking about Muslims, regardless of ethnicity. Which part of my post is incorrect?

I asked JFman, and he couldn’t find anything!

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Yes, but unfortunately not a random one.

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Notably you didn't ask any of my questions either. Someone who thinks only white/Christian or secular countries/actors engaging in attacks is justified and others not is essentially on a par with the Iranians.

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Perhaps fortunately, it could have been worse if they were acting indiscriminately.

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Pretty sure its unfortunate whether its random or not, I dont see that randomness really matters.

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My only thought that a madman/terrorist acting indiscriminately would attack witnesses or passers by - essentially anyone they could find - and the scale of the event would have been much worse. Obviously if you are Salman Rushdie that's of little consolation.

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I can’t work out what your position is!

Do you agree that this is an Islamist attack or not? Simple question. With a simple yes or no answer.

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It's apparent from my previous answer to you.

As you can go back and see I merely opined it was an interesting distinction to draw because it implies that being an Islamist attack somehow affects the legitimacy of it. Which of course it doesn't. Well, I'd go as far as saying that but if you could offer a simple - at your level - yes or no answer on whether you agree I'd be grateful.

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Your talking about Muslims now, I thought you were talking about how the left see muslims as an ethnic minority which as an excuse for inaction against crimes is cobblers

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Seriously? Can we not for once turn another thread into a convoluted aggressive thread about some really pointless point of view which really has nothing to do with the original news story.

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What makes it worse is that it is a targeted Islamist attack on someone for something he wrote decades ago. An attack on free speech and freedom of expression values that islamists abhor.

If it was just a random act of violence, perhaps some solace could be sought that you just in the wrong place wrong time as some nut job and the chances of that ever being the case again are practically non-existent.

But no. There will always be the chance of another Islamist headcase showing up until Rushdie is killed.

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Oh no, you’re right, that was exactly my point. Which has been proven many times over.

Not as an “ethnic” group but as a minority group that is predominantly ethnic in make up.

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Not sure what you (or anyone) is arguing about, of course it was a radical Islamist psycho. There is no really debate to be had.

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Salman Rushdie: Hadi Matar pleads not guilty to attempted murder of author.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2144735.html

Will be interesting what his defence will be.

For the moval of doubt, yes, I do condemn the attack just as I condemn the death of the Japanese translator under mysterious circumstances in 1991 (still unsolved), the Norwegian publisher William Nygaard shot in the back 3 times in 1993, the Italian translator Ettore Capriolo who was beaten and attacked with a knife and In 1993, the Islamic militants who set fire to a hotel in eastern Turkey in a plot to kill author and tranlator of the book Aziz Nesin.

The fatwah wasn't just issued against Rushdie but anyone else involved with the book.

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I suspect his defence will be the fatwah being legitimate licence for him to act, therefore any killing would have been lawful - murder being unlawful killing, rather than killing per se.