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I could not tell you what year I last used a train, far too expensive.
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Nurses and Teachers will be the next targets. Anyone providing public services is the enemy of State Boris. |
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Any increase would put costs back on to the commuter and as Paul highlighted above, it’s already expensive. |
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The alternative is that the Government gives in to every set of demands. Just think what the demands would be, if that happened?:shocked:
It seems absurd that a Union can call a strike, simply because they have built up a strike fund. There is little financial penalty for the strikers. |
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The NHS workers and teachers are now threatening to take strike action alongside the rail workers and you describe them as ‘the next targets’ as if they were the victims! The funny thing is, many people think your posts are just jokey, but sometimes I think you really believe this stuff. :D |
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If one side has no losses, then that is a one-sided battle. ---------- Post added at 20:33 ---------- Previous post was at 20:32 ---------- Quote:
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I don't know much about the issue RMT has. I guess it's the point of a union to get their members better terms and conditions. Stike action is penalising some of those who can't work from home though and those tend to be people on lower-paid (retail workers, cleaners, manual workers and so on). Not sure if it's connected but I do know the Government has been playing games with TFL's budget. TFL is obviously underwater after COVID and they keep doing emergency budgets. |
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Direct political influence over the railway occurs at the strategic level - new infrastructure, long-term agreed operational goals, etc. pay bargaining isn’t that. |
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They've cocked up the economy and the country. |
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The money they spent on Test and trace, £36 Billion, and it was a disorganised agency, they could open up several hospitals, or keep investing in the skilled workforce for years to come. |
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I used to work in the NHS, poor pay but safe job, great pension, pay increments as well as pay rises, some perks offered by companies to NHS staff and the knowledge you were helping people.
Now they've mucked up the pensions and many other factors that make the lower pay more of a burden. I know people in healthcare now who are fed up but still love their jobs and taking care of people, even if indirectly (IT etc). But I can't believe all the wastage that was present when I was in the NHS has all been got rid of, it's the same as always, if something needs doing employ more admin types to form a committee and never actually get anything done. At the moment though we are in an inflationary cycle and if wages are kept in control that will cause things to cycle upwards even faster. I don't know how it can be done, especially with fuel price rises, but we need to keep costs down, including wages, and to protect the lower paid and less well off without so impacting the middle classes that they stop the spending they can make. (The very rich will always find a way to be OK.) |
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I support all those 'vital' workers who we all clapped for when asked to by the government and then got rewarded with a totally useless pay increase that got eaten up by the recent surge in prices for fuel.I still support them now they are in danger of being shafted by the SAME government when asking for a wage increase that will allow them to deal with surging costs in living and travel costs.
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I'm less sure of the benefit of the public support as that has not fed through into a pay rise. |
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From Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/train-str...ption-12637169
This strike is about safety more than pay, Network Rail worker tells Sky News A Network Rail employee who "works on the infrastructure daily" has been in touch to counter what he suggests are widespread misconceptions about the cause of this week's strikes. The worker, who provided his name to Sky News but asked to remain anonymous, said the action was not primarily being driven by pay. "The issue that I have is nothing to do with money," he said. "Every reporter and news station across the country is just focusing on pay - this strike is mainly about safety. Network Rail want to cut 2,000 operative jobs just on my route alone. "They want all operatives across the country to be gone and replaced with a job role called assistant technician. "The duties of this role would include travelling to various locations throughout the country in your own vehicle, therefore using more fuel and having to change your insurance policy to allow for business use, therefore costing the worker more money. "They also want to bring in cross-discipline working so they want staff to be able to work with various departments using skills that people have mastered over years of experience. "However, they expect us to do their highly skilled work even though we are not trained to do the task. "Network Rail wants to attack our pension scheme and make us work more weekends with reduced rest periods between shifts, therefore making staff more fatigued and increasing the risk of serious injury." The worker went on to criticise Andrew Haines, Network Rail's chief executive. "This is the man that claims we need to save money as the company has no money to give us a pay rise, while he sits there on his £635,000-a-year job," he said. The latest available figures indicated Mr Haines's salary was between £585,000 and £589,999 annually. You can actually start to understand why these strikes are on when a CEO comfortably sits on more than half a million pound salary. |
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what people see is me standing on the platform blowing a whilstle, and they think it looks easy. What they don't see supporting a domestic abuse sufferer waiting with an ill patient because an ambulance has been delayed chasing after and sitting on suicidal kids trying to throw themselves on the lines. The above had happened all in the past six weeks.... |
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BREAKING: Labour Party bans front bench from joining Rail strike picket lines according to reports. - GB News.
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Which two Labour front benchers?
Link is behind a paywall. |
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Thanks Pip, Ben.
Britons tend to oppose the rail workers strikes taking place this week All Britons Support 37% / Oppose 45% Con voters Support 18% / Oppose 72% Lab voters Support 65% / Oppose 18% Via YouGov. |
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I know several people who will have to take unpaid leave this week as their trains ain't running.
My cousin is lucky as he would normally go 1st class (he's a snob, and his company pays for it), he will just drive to his work as he has a parking space and again his work pay all his costs etc. |
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Every news outlet i have watched today has shown mick lynch to be an argumentative a hole, i would not negotiate with him.
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Everybody in the public sector and transport stepped up during the pandemic. They all deserve to be treated with respect when seeking to ensure that they can pay their way after the huge increases across the board for food,fuel and other daily expenses that the entire country is currently facing. Everyone who did what was asked of them during the past 2 years deserve that consideration irrespective of what industry they work for.
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Angela Rayner goes head to head with Keir Starmer and fully backs union walk out
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His salary is £89,962, with Employers' NI contributions of £11,590 and pension contributions of £23,334.... Never understood why the right wing tabloids include Employers' NI Contribution - the employee doesn't benefit from these... |
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Don't agree with his politics but I've found Mick Lynch a fantastic performer in the interviews I've seen.
He's unflustered, doesn't rise to baiting, doesn't get angry, seems to knows his facts and makes interviewers appear out of their depth by just doing the interviews very well. |
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Nevertheless, put him on a picket line and he would scream and shout like the Trot he was (presumably still is). Scargill was at least explicit about his desire to bring down a democratically elected government. Mick Lynch just seems content to do his bit to kick Boris while he’s down, and while it’s hard not to be sympathetic with that aim, the fact is it’s not his job to play politics or hold the country to ransom. Incidentally, if you think resurrecting Scargill and the miners’ strike is a bit OTT, you should listen to the opening interviews on yesterday’s WatO on BBC R4. Their academic talking head managed to drop ‘Thatcherism’ and ‘Scargill’ into the debate within his first 30 seconds. |
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talking of Scargill
he's on the picket line aged 84 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Y-reports.html |
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---------- Post added at 11:06 ---------- Previous post was at 11:05 ---------- Here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2106228.html ---------- Post added at 11:13 ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 ---------- Beaten to it by papa don’t preach. :D |
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If the costs go up, then inflation goes up, which in turn leads to wages going up. If the recent cost increases are allowed to drift out of the inflation figures(after a year), then the economy will be better than having an inflationary spiral. Even the Unions knew that in the late 1970s. Have the £150 council tax rebate and the £400 energy bill rebate been taken into account with wage demands? Are the media reporting that? |
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IIRC pensions are deducted before tax then you get taxed, my last job did this. |
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Can be both, mine are salary sacrificed but there's an option available for you not to do that (but why would you) IF the employer is matching his % contributions that's a hefty pension pot..... |
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If the Government want a high skilled, high wage economy why is the intention for public sector workers to be exempt from enjoying the benefits? |
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Have they suddenly become more highly skilled? Have they suddenly become more productive? |
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How is it falling disproportionately on them? If it's a "mythical Tory" thing, why isn't it also a mythical Labour, Lib Dem, or SNP thing?:confused: |
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It is clear now that this whole strike story is actively welcomed by the Government. Imagine deliberately encouraging pain & disruption for partisan political purposes.
The Transport Secretary has refused to get involved in the discussions leading up to this strike. I would argue he has a duty of obligation to do so and to actively pursue a route of mediation. |
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Demand the participation of someone external to the process, then when they (obviously) refuse, claim the whole situation is their fault. Network Rail is not British Rail. |
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Public sector pay (including that of employees of publicly funded regulators) is directed by Government at all levels who set the overarching parameters for each body to adhere to. I suspect you know this, however as always are keen to absolve the Government of any responsibility for any of it’s failings. You may have believed you addressed the point above, however inadequately so. |
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High profits? Where? You're talking about individual wages, not businesses. The costs os the businesses have increased, thereby reducing what little profits they may have. You're just spouting nonsense. |
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He’s not, nor is the government, their employer? |
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The Government have gone to great lengths over the last few days to stay neutral, I mean I've only heard the £600 per household to fund the railways during the pandemic muttered by whichever government mouthpiece they drag out that day. If they're as external to the process as you say, then why is their involvement mentioned so many times on the Network Rail How we're funded page? I think we all know the Government could expedite an end to the current dispute if they so wanted with little more than a phonecall. |
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Strange considering people are claiming the UK economy is tanking.:confused: |
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It has been made perfectly clear to the RMT that their members will get higher wages if they accept modernisation, and that only voluntary redundancies are proposed to achieve this. So what's the problem? I tell you what it is - the union is spoiling for a fight with the government and has no problem with lying to their members to achieve this. It is a blatant attempt to bring down the government. We saw this before with Scargill. ---------- Post added at 19:29 ---------- Previous post was at 19:26 ---------- Quote:
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It's quite simple: the Rail network is a national infrastructure asset and should be treated as such. |
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This is a matter between the employers and the employees. Of course you want to turn this into another intervention by the government - why wouldn't you? You want a Labour government. Good luck with that, you will find when the next General Election is held that most people disagree with you. These tactics are a gift to the Conservative Party, just as Corbyn was. |
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The government is keeping clear of the pay negotiations, and rightly so. The money the RMT want for their members is available, but they must accept the modernisation of working practices to achieve that. Employee contracts are with their employers. |
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You are the perfect example of Gish galloping and Brandolini’s Law. |
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And with your superhuman abilities to trawl the internet to find the most obscure facts to prove the points you want to make, why can you not do the same in this instance? |
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And with your superhuman abilities to fail to do basic research on and ignoring any information that contradicts your tunnel vision, why am I not surprised you leap to the defence of another poster who mimics your behaviours? But, as you are an avid proponent of Gish galloping and a prime example of Brandolini’s Law, I can understand why you wouldn’t be keen on evidence that contradicts your opinions and anecdata… |
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Out of fairness, I really have to share this even though I disagree with what the RMT is trying to do. Mick Lynch made absolute mincemeat of Kay Burley live on Sky news earlier this week and the footage is a joy to behold:
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Just watched that,comedy gold, talk about getting your knickers in a twist, :D:D |
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BREAKING: MPs vote to approve regulations which allow agency workers to replace striking staff.
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Public services are more than creaking under the pressure and something's going to give sooner or later. I understand the issues with inflation busting pay rises, but one compromise might be to stop tinkering round the edges and give everyone a one off cost of living payment and a reasonable pay rise. If you look at the billions the prospective candidates are talking about giving away, sending a descent sized cheque to everyone is more than doable. |
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The bleedin' obvious occurs to me that private sector profit taken in the utilities and railways is the difference between decent pay and the squeeze we are seeing. Don't get me wrong - I'm no socialist. But the utilities and railways need to be not-for-profit. Question: What personal interests do the Tory political barons have in the utilities and railways? |
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Railway privatisation was John Major's baby. Thatcher saw that it was a privatisation too far and British Rail under her regime was allowed to get on and run itself and was pretty efficient. Obviously, the City was up for it but it's also hugely benefited train drivers as their bargaining power has increased as there is no monopoly buyer of labour. This is a biased source but you get the drift! https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/473868...litant-unions/ |
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Not used the railways for a couple of years now. The fares are absurd and the service/trains terrible. Cheaper to fly round the UK.
All the promises of increased road taxes being used to fund public transport were yet more lies. A privatisation failure in every way. |
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