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Mick 24-04-2022 20:15
Macron is winner in French Election 2022
 
BREAKING: Official Exit Polls sees Macron as projected winner of the French Presidential Elections:-

Macron: 58.2%

Le Pen: 41.8%

Should exit poll reflect true results, that sees a 7% swing to Le Pen from 2017 results.

https://news.sky.com/story/french-el...ction-12598054

Damien 24-04-2022 20:44
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Polls moved away from her between the 1st and 2nd rounds again. Also about a 1-2% gain for Macron from the final polls at the end of the last week which had it as 57%. Be interesting to see what she does now and if the National Rally continues down this 'moderation' approach or reverts back to where they were before and where Zemmour was in this election.

Surprisingly the first French President to win a 2nd term in 20 years and Chirac!

Chris 24-04-2022 21:08
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
While I’d have quite liked to see what a genuinely eurosceptic French government would have looked like, now is not the time for those sorts of social experiments. We don’t need a Putin fangirl in the Élysée Palace.

Damien 24-04-2022 21:28
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
58.8% to 41.2% now

Mick 24-04-2022 21:30
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Dan Hodges: “In 2002 Le Pen got 18%. Five years ago his daughter got 34%. Today she’s predicted to get 42%. This is not something to celebrate.”

Damien 24-04-2022 21:35
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36119982)
Dan Hodges: “In 2002 Le Pen got 18%. Five years ago his daughter got 34%. Today she’s predicted to get 42%. This is not something to celebrate.”
Nope, but people were expecting to be closer this time so there will be some relief and celebration.

I do wonder what happens to Le Pen and the National Rally now. Will they continue with the moderation approach or will she be deposed and they go down the Zemmour route?

1andrew1 24-04-2022 22:25
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36119982)
Dan Hodges: “In 2002 Le Pen got 18%. Five years ago his daughter got 34%. Today she’s predicted to get 42%. This is not something to celebrate.”
I wonder if they are celebrating Macron being the first French president in 20 years to win a second term?

Damien 24-04-2022 22:40
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Macron is 44. At the end of his term he'll be 49. 49 years old and he'll be a 'former' two-term French President and 12 (15 if he gets his way) years until retirement. :shocked:

pip08456 24-04-2022 23:19
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
He's won.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...r-of-two-evils

1andrew1 25-04-2022 00:36
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36119989)
Macron is 44. At the end of his term he'll be 49. 49 years old and he'll be a 'former' two-term French President and 12 (15 if he gets his way) years until retirement. :shocked:
Still 30 years off being a US President even at the end of his term!

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 11:57
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36119997)
Quelle domage. I was (vainly) looking forward to the EU being thrown into complete disarray!

pip08456 25-04-2022 12:16
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120042)
Quelle domage. I was (vainly) looking forward to the EU being thrown into complete disarray!
Meh, could still happen due to some EU Countries dependance on Russian gas.

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 12:21
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36120045)
Meh, could still happen due to some EU Countries dependance on Russian gas.
... yeah - but not the same as Macron being ousted.

pip08456 25-04-2022 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120046)
... yeah - but not the same as Macron being ousted.
Sorry to disappoint but I had no control.

1andrew1 25-04-2022 13:59
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120042)
Quelle domage. I was (vainly) looking forward to the EU being thrown into complete disarray!
I'm with Chris on this one, we don't want Putin's fan girl in power. And I'm no Macron fan.

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36120054)
I'm with Chris on this one, we don't want Putin's fan girl in power. And I'm no Macron fan.
Why should we care? There would have been non-lethal fun to be had.

Hugh 25-04-2022 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120060)
Why should we care? There would have been non-lethal fun to be had.
She would have disrupted EU/European efforts to support Ukraine (France having already sent 100 million Euros of Military equipment there) - that might have lethal consequences for Ukrainians…

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36120062)
She would have disrupted EU/European efforts to support Ukraine (France having already sent 100 million Euros of Military equipment there) - that might have lethal consequences for Ukrainians…
Would, might .... Nothing that we and the US cannot make up.
Well worth the price of throwing the EU into confusion and disarray.

Damien 25-04-2022 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120063)
Would, might .... Nothing that we and the US cannot make up.
Well worth the price of throwing the EU into confusion and disarray.
France is a pretty big contributor to NATO and she would have pulled out France from its 'command structure meaning NATO couldn't call upon them. That's a pretty big commitment for us to make up alone. And yes she would probably reduce arms to Ukraine and be softer on Russia. Throwing into the air the defensive alliance that has protected Europe for decades at a time it's needed more than any other since the cold war would not be 'worth it'.

There is a reason she found it easy to get loans from Russia.

You're so keen to burn down the EU house you don't seem to care if the fire spreads to our own.

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 15:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36120065)
France is a pretty big contributor to NATO and she would have pulled out France from its 'command structure meaning NATO couldn't call upon them. That's a pretty big commitment for us to make up alone. And yes she would probably reduce arms to Ukraine and be softer on Russia. Throwing into the air the defensive alliance that has protected Europe for decades at a time it's needed more than any other since the cold war would not be 'worth it'.

There is a reason she found it easy to get loans from Russia.

You're so keen to burn down the EU house you don't seem to care if the fire spreads to our own.
In my judgement EU chaos is not the same as the NATO case. Previously France wasn't in NATO and that didn't matter; it won't matter if they leave NATO. The NATO alliance will stand and be augmented by Finland and Sweden.

Pierre 25-04-2022 18:41
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36119982)
Dan Hodges: “In 2002 Le Pen got 18%. Five years ago his daughter got 34%. Today she’s predicted to get 42%. This is not something to celebrate.”
I agree.

pip08456 25-04-2022 19:35
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Damien 25-04-2022 19:47
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120067)
In my judgement EU chaos is not the same as the NATO case. Previously France wasn't in NATO and that didn't matter; it won't matter if they leave NATO. The NATO alliance will stand and be augmented by Finland and Sweden.
France is a pretty big member of NATO. It would matter if they left. Even before they left last time they were at least still aligned with Western Interests. Le Pen could well have changed that.

Anyway, it's academic now. She lost pretty comfortably. I am interested to see what a lot of Macron's rivals do now. Does the left unite into a block? With Le Pen face internal challenges after this election? What will the Republicans and Socialists do after getting hardly any votes this time?

Sephiroth 25-04-2022 20:00
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
It'll still be fun because Boris & co have the Brexit squabbles still to sort out.

1andrew1 25-04-2022 20:15
Re: Macron projected winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36120091)
It'll still be fun because Boris & co have the Brexit squabbles still to sort out.
I suspect Johnson won't last long enough.

papa smurf 27-04-2022 16:09
Re: Macron is winner in French Election 2022
 
Hero's welcome for Macron


Macron pelted with tomatoes as French fury erupts at President just DAYS after re-election
EMMANUEL MACRON was hit with tomatoes in an angry crowd as he visited Cergy, in the northwestern suburb of Paris.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ictures-update

Sephiroth 27-04-2022 16:17
Re: Macron is winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36120289)
Hero's welcome for Macron


Macron pelted with tomatoes as French fury erupts at President just DAYS after re-election
EMMANUEL MACRON was hit with tomatoes in an angry crowd as he visited Cergy, in the northwestern suburb of Paris.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ictures-update
Oh joy of joys.

Chris 27-04-2022 16:26
Re: Macron is winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36120289)
Hero's welcome for Macron


Macron pelted with tomatoes as French fury erupts at President just DAYS after re-election
EMMANUEL MACRON was hit with tomatoes in an angry crowd as he visited Cergy, in the northwestern suburb of Paris.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ictures-update
Seeing as less than a quarter of the population actively chose him from the first round, and in the second round it was either him or a crypto-fascist, this is not very surprising. He was very much the hold-your-nose-and-vote-for-me candidate.

Damien 27-04-2022 17:28
Re: Macron is winner in French Election 2022
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36120291)
Seeing as less than a quarter of the population actively chose him from the first round, and in the second round it was either him or a crypto-fascist, this is not very surprising. He was very much the hold-your-nose-and-vote-for-me candidate.
That is not an unusual result in a French presidential election though because of the round system. Macron is not unusually unpopular for a French president. In fact, he is unusual in winning the first round despite being the sitting President.

He is not popular of course but French Presidents rarely are. The UK press seems to be trying to paint a story of a pro-EU president under siege but he isn't unpopular because of that, he is unpopular because of a package of economic reforms these papers would otherwise be supporting. The UK is seeing this via a prism that few in France are voting on.

OLD BOY 02-05-2022 20:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36120094)
I suspect Johnson won't last long enough.
You suspect wrong.

1andrew1 03-05-2022 15:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36120845)
You suspect wrong.
I suspect our views will align once the Sue Gray Report is published. ;)


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