P&O Ferries make 800 British Workers Redundant
 

And with immediate effect. (Potentially breaching UK employment law)

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferri...kings-12568494

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Hopefully people boycott them. Pathetic action.

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Desperate stuff from P&O.

It's a good job market at the moment so I'm sure they could have restructured the company in a less aggressive way which does not disrupts everyone's lives - both staff and customers. This has damaged their reputation badly.

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There’s no ‘potentially’ about it Mick. For a start, they are meant to consult with their employees (through the trade unions) before making anyone redundant. Given the number of redundancies involved, at least 3 months’ notice of the intention to declare redundancies should be provided. During that time, companies are meant to carry out meaningful consultation and consider alternatives.

All employees are also entitled to statutory notice pay or more if contracts are more generous.

As for replacing permanent staff with agency staff, well good luck with that one. That certainly doesn’t indicate that dismissal is by reason of redundancy as the jobs are still there.

If the company do not withdraw this threat of redundancies, they will stand liable to pay out a huge amount of compensation to these employees. They have already done tremendous damage, because even if the proposals were withdrawn, employees would be able to leave the company and sue for constructive dismissal on the grounds of loss of trust and confidence based on the company’s actions.

What they should have done was consult the unions about proposed changes in terms and conditions, citing the financial position of the company and the preference to avoid redundancies. This should lead again to meaningful discussions on how to ensure that jobs could be retained in the harsher economic climate.

If negotiations on changes to contracts do not result in agreement, the company should then give everyone notice of termination under their existing contracts and an offer of re-employment on new terms and conditions of employment with no break in service. As an inducement to accept, the company could give those accepting the new contracts within a specified time limit six months’ protection on their existing terms and conditions before the new contracts kick in.

Does P&O not have an HR Department?!! This ineptitude will cost them a fortune.

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Red OB. I like it :)

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Yeah, except he's proposing the old management trick of fire and rehire (probably on substantially reduced money and conditions).

We're under the threat of a Section 188 notice despite the council saying next financial year they intend to increase the FTE job count by some 200 :confused: It's wrong to treat your staff like that.

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Just a point of clarity. The company that has made the staff redundant is P&O Ferries, part of DP World. P&O Cruises is a separate company and a brand of the Carnival cruise company.

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Title amended. :tu:

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I’m not proposing that at all, Grim. I’m just telling you how it should be done if that’s what an employer wants to do. The way P&O is going about it is amateurish and unbecoming of such a large company.

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Apparently, they are able to get away with doing this because, following Brexit, the Government repealed the EU Port Regulations.

The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers campaigned for a yes vote to leave the EU. There have been claims that this union has links to Putin.

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I don't think the EU Port Services Regulations had anything to do with what P&O Ferries have done here. The Regulations are not primarily concerned with employment matters, although Article 9 does provide that ports must require the designated provider of port services to grant staff working conditions in accordance with applicable obligations in social and labour law and to comply with social standards as set out in Union law, national law or collective agreements.

What P&O Ferries has done is breach the UK's employment law, and so however you look at this, it was unlawful before Brexit and it remains unlawful now.

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But they're not contracted in the UK, they're on Jersey contracts apparently.

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They're not employed under UK law.

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It's nothing to do with BREXIT (the employment bit, there's an argument the dip in cross channel freight may be an issue)

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Jersey law still has consultation requirements

https://www.jacs.org.je/media/1105/r...-sept-2020.pdf

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Well hopefully Jersey (or whatever jurisdiction, they are under) throw the book at them.

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Eeh by jolly, don’t repeat this mantra, it will give Re-joiners something else to froth at the mouth, where it doesn’t apply.

Where companies often slip up, because they invest very little in a Human Resources Dept. Whether under UK, or Jersey jurisdictions, in redundancy, the role(s) being made redundant, have to cease to exist, the same responsibilities cannot be passed on to other workers.

As BenMcr above points out, there has to be a consultancy period, each employee has to be offered alternative opportunities, if they exist within the company, redundancy is or has to be last resort.

Under UK law and I expect it to be same under Jersey law, there has to be notice periods, if employees are not expected to be at work in their notice period, then they are legally entitled to payment in lieu of notice. Usually 90 days under UK law.

Just seen this though under Jersey law:

9 weeks additional compensation pay for failure to adequately notify or warn of redundancy x 800 on top of Statutory redundancy payment requirements, P&O Ferries may have dropped a very large bollock here and it now serves them right, not only the public backlash but the sting in the tail, financial stings they’re about to face.

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From what I see in the news, only the UK workers have been sacked, not the French or Dutch ones.

This is capitalism at its ugliest. To quote from the letter sent to the UK employees from the CEO of P&O:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...g-800-23425666

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022...king-800-staff

Just a reminder:

(for Tory supporters of a nervous disposition, look away now)

Fire-and-rehire: Government blocks law to curb the practice

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Of course the desired(by Labour and the unions) outcome is that the firms go completely bust. What alternatives are there for businesses?:rolleyes:

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Erm, just before you get a little bit excited and throw another wobble about the UK government, if P&O Ferries is based in Jersey, then Jersey jurisdiction applies. Jersey is a self governing country with its own independent laws. The only responsibilities the UK government has on Jersey, is to defend it and represent it, internationally.

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The 1970s were just on the phone. They said your spaghetti hoops are going cold and can you pick up 20 woodbines on your way home.

…

Meanwhile, back in the 21st century, I believe all the union actually wants here (in agreement with MPs from all parties) is for P&O to obey employment law. Redundancies on this scale should have been notified and consulted on well in advance. It is unlikely they can get around such an egregious breach of employment law no matter how generous the severance package is, and I bet it’s not nearly as generous as they’re making out anyway.

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A very similar thing happened to me, we say through a boring 2-hour state of the company meeting (which had us nervous as the top people turned up and this never happens).


On PowerPoint page 168 of 169, it had a simple bullet point, to close our office by end of year, they literally just skipped through it like it didn't matter on to the last page.


Someone said "Woah, go back a page, WTH is that about closing this office".


Needless to say, they had made their minds up and 100 of us lost our jobs.

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True, but we must be able to stop them entering UK ports under normal circimstances?

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It’s unlikely that UK based employees will have contracts directly with the Jersey-registered company. There will be a UK-registered subsidiary in there somewhere. Otherwise it would be easy for any big business to evade UK employment law, by operating out of a territory with lax controls on what an employer can do to its staff.

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Agreed, but this fire and rehire law mantra being passed about. Employment law protections still exist despite it, there are Statutory minimums in place that no company can legally go below of.

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Just seen this though from ITV News’s Joel Hill:

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That’s a horrific loophole if true and the law should be changed to prevent it.

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Jersey law, UK law or both?

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Well what Jersey does is Jersey’s business. But we ought to be able to frame UK employment law so as to prevent employers dodging it in this way. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole process.

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ITV News’s Joel Hill added bit more:

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Yes, the statutory requirements aren’t a million miles away from the UK’s. They’ve broken the law, no two ways about it.

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I remember the Winter of Discontent, constant strikes, car workers with makeshift beds in the factory. Whatever did happen to British Leyland and so many other companies?:rolleyes: Little point "protecting jobs", if the company as a whole goes bust as a result.
Of course the Unions want particular(they get to choose which ones) laws to followed, especially when they paid for the laws to be implemented in the first place.
Nobody seems to ever come up with valid alternatives, that would work.
Eg if a company started negotiations, would customers have faith in using them? The consequences of that and other issues would mean the business went bust anyway.
They have been announcing closure of routes, reduction in journeys, and loss of jobs for more than a year.

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There's another theory circulating on the redundancies. It's paywalled in The Telegraph though.

DP World's principal investor, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum (Dubai's ruler) has reportedly developed a grudge against the UK after the UK High Court ordered him last year to pay his estranged wife £550 million for her family’s security and maintenance. She fled to London in 2019 saying she feared for her life and was the youngest of his six wives.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tle-po-ferries

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Well, when O2/BT Cellnet split off from BT in 2002, they followed the guidelines (90 day consultation, notifying "at risk" employees, looking for alternative posts in the company for those at "at risk) - pretty sure O2 didn’t go bust (or all the other companies that followed the process).

I have been made redundant four times, have had the awful task of making others redundant four times, and the guidelines were followed every time, and all of those companies (except one) are still in business.

(The one that isn’t was a Financial Services company, and it failed in 2008…)

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Was O2 or any of those other companies at immediate risk of otherwise going bust? Their rivals had already cut jobs at that point.


A business isn't going to do things this way, unless there are sound business reasons for doing so. Eg trying to avoid disruption because of inevitable strikes.

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Is hiding stuff the default for this government?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ing-says-union

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Tut tut, deliberately ignoring a relevant paragraph to suit your agenda :rolleyes:

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If it’s being claimed by RMT Union that these employees were in Jersey jurisdiction for employment law and was sacked because of it, wtf it got to do with UK government?

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I did read that bit, it was this bit I was talking about
They could have quite easily said yesterday what you quoted.

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Because they live in the UK and have paid UK tax? Was obviously something to do with the UK government if P&O Ferries staff qualified for furlough payments from them and not from the Jersey government.

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They will also now have to claim UK dole. As they’re all UK domiciled there may have been an obligation to tell the DfT, which it now appears they did, though whether they did it in a way that satisfies their obligations, I don’t know.

Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
 

Well P&O still didn’t apply the legally required notice, or undertake any kind of consultation whether it be Jersey or UK law.

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Going bust?

It’s parent company increased revenues and profits, according to its latest results…

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dp...e-271646899806

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It's also owned by Dubai-based logistics giant DP World. The bought it in 2019.

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Parent company, and from PRE-COVID times.
The parent company handed over £100m to P&O to cover its losses.

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Pretty sure that Covid was around in 2021 which is when its results in question are for.

The losses for P&O were £86m for y/e Dec 2020 and £40m for y/e Dec 2019 with a small profit of £9m for y/e Dec 2018. No other audited figures have been officially reported.
https://find-and-update.company-info...filing-history

But if a subsidiary company is loss-making, then its parent company could see it fall into administration.

If I was DP World and looking for a way out, my inclination would be to sell P&O to DFDS or another competitor. Its current course of action has just reduced the value of the business considerably and I speak as someone previously involved in selling businesses. If you don't have staff loyalty (or any staff) and customer loyalty then the only assets you have for sale are the ships. The business where you add value between the three areas is gone.

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And blaming UK workers for that when the company carries something like 10% of the traffic in and out of our ports is absurd. It has been chronically mismanaged.

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P&O made a £100m loss. Still the revenue and profits of the PARENT company, and NOT P&O.

Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
 

So you acknowledge that Covid was around in 2021 and Hugh wasn't just dreaming it?

P&O may well have made a loss of £100m in 2021, but I've not seen any audited figures confirming this.

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Link
So based upon business pre-covid.
Link

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You appear to be ignoring the fact the parent company made increased profits from the previous year, which would have covered the loss three times over…

You seem to make a habit of trying to defend the indefensible in a number of threads…

Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
 

But the issue is that P&O Ferries is making a loss. No parent company is going to put up with one of its businesses making a loss. Either something must be done about the losses or the company that is unviable has to go.

That said, P&O Ferries have acted despicably in this case. But let us be in no doubt, being employed in a loss making company is not the best place to be.

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No it isnt, and Im getting tired of this thread being dragged off topic.

The issue is that they sacked 800 workers without [apparently] following proper procedures, whatever their reason for doing so.

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Paul's right - the issue is not the corporate bottom line, it is the people involved, citizens of this country who deserve better.

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So people would be happy if the company where they worked, was put out of business, just because their competitors had "sugar daddies" that could constantly subsidise those competitors and charge lower prices? No doubt they would be screaming out for a law to prevent that from happening.:rolleyes:
P&O has had job losses before, so they would likely to have had dealing with the unions before. They would've known whether it would be pointless to have further negotiations.

Re: P&O Ferries disgracefully make 800 British Workers Redundant
 

So you would be happy if they lined up all the workers, shot them, then dumped their bodies in the harbours?

(See, I can do extreme unrealistic scenarios as well…)

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How is companies being unfairly propped up by "sugar daddies" unrealistic?
It happens. A good example is Football. They introduced rules(laws) to combat the unfairness.
People are implying that a parent company should repeatedly prop up a company.

They have 2 main options, increase prices and risk people taking their business elsewhere, or decrease costs.

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:tu:

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And possibly face the fact that possible customers might just think that using the company might be a mistake and look around for a company that treats it's workers and customers fairly.

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Of course it isn't off-topic! It's the reason why P&O Ferries are taking this action, but as we all know, they are doing it the wrong way.

There are some on this forum who seem to think that as long as the parent company is profitable, the losses made by a business don't need to be addressed. That is naive in the extreme.

The question is, whose brilliant idea was it to disregard the law in this way and who thought that they could get away with it? I don't think anyone on here is defending the company on the actions they have taken. This will cost them dearly in the courts, and it didn't have to come to that.

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I agree. Who would want to work for them now? This is a massive own goal.

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I think you'll find that 98.37%* of people wanting a quick ferry trip won't actually give two hoots




*figure may not be accurate, no Government or independent polls were consulted, neither were facebook, twitter, tiktok or snapchat used to obtain a figure that is simply my opinion of how things are . . and always will be.

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As is all too often, too many people want to dodge underlying reasons for something, and don't suggest valid, workable alternatives.

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The valid workable alternatives existed - P&O Ferries decided not to use them in the U.K.

Strange how all the Irish and French workers in the same company are still employed…

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Are you suggesting it could be a Brexit thing? ;)

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And many of them were shoreside workers? IE resident in Ireland or France.
So what are these valid, workable alternatives?

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The irony is, P&O has shut down discussion of alternative ways of saving money by illegally circumventing the usual process of notifying large scale redundancies well in advance and then running a consultation. While the applicable laws are those of Jersey, we have come to understand that in this area they are comparable to the UK. Notification and consultation should have happened. This isn’t the 1970s and the trade union could have been expected to engage constructively with the issues at hand. Workable alternatives could then have emerged through detailed examination of the company’s predicament over the next several months.

(Edit)

Further to the above, there’s some suggestion that UK law applies here because the workers work ‘from’ the UK. That appears to over-ride foreign contracts or ownership of the business.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60792039

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BREAKING: From ITV News Joel Hill:

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So it boils down to:

The company isn't British
The ships aren't British
The crew aren't (now) British


I guess it's similar to large companies closing call centers in Manchester and Glasgow then opening call centers in Mumbai and Delhi :shrug:

Not very nice, but what can you do in this age of globalization

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This is possible because the UK has no Cabotage rules, it is possible to prevent this from happening if they change this.

I doubt something similar could happen in the US or other countries that have Cabotage rules

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It didn't happen to P&O's Irish, Dutch and French crews so presumably it can be prevented if the Government enacted similar legislation to those countries.

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Soon there will be nothing left that is British.

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Sounds to me like - in that respect - they may be taking somewhat advantage of the government allowing an exception for foreign truckers to transport in the UK to cover the shortfall in domestic workers being available.


Considering the alternative would have meant we didn't have anything to transport goods, that is obviously something they had to do.


But at the same time, doing this would allow other companies to use foreign workers to do similar transports.


It's an utter disgrace for P&O to do this and then rehire the British jobs using presumably foreign agency workers, based out of the UK, but it does appear if they aren't replacing directly, say they were using Indian workers instead of UK ones, then it seems to be possible these can be classed as genuine redundancies. Guess as their operation is global, unless there's some kind of licence consideration with sailing or docking on UK waters, then their staff could come from anywhere in the world.


I guess the situation is different if they are rehiring from a UK agency as that's closer to the roles they originally had but it is definite cost cutting exercise due to pandemic travel restrictions...

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https://www.thelocal.fr/20220318/why...rench-workers/

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In 2005, Irish Ferries replaced its workers with Eastern European agency labour that was considerably cheaper. This template has now been used by competitor P&O.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...0/transport.uk

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Another twist in the tale.
https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferri...-says-12572920

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60840467

Even if the "pot" were divided equally between all 800, thats over £45,000 each.

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This must be against the law , sacking people without notice

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BBC News - P&O Ferries: Not consulting on job cuts broke law, boss admits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933

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Cue, 800 cases of unfair dismissal. Could be expensive.

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Considering they paid out a 270 million dividend in 2020 whilst claiming 10 million furlough, I'd happily see them go to the wall. They'll leave a gap in the Ferry market that will be filled by others.

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Lets see how the smug gits feels when he's inside for breaking employment law

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They did it deliberately as well ....

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I don’t know the ins and outs of the law, but it would certainly send a message to other CEOs if he did serve a custodial period if he was found guilty.

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That’s what I said, yes.


breaking U.K. employment law on a scale, possibly never seen before. Potentially jeopardising the security of 800 families, especially during these trying times.


I caveated my post by saying, I don’t know what potential penalties are available to the judiciary in the act. Given the scale of the issue and the seemingly calculated decision to break the law. I hope he gets the harshest possible penalty, whatever that is.

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I couldn't agree more, but sadly I doubt he'll be making any new friends on E-wing. What he will get no doubt will be a big fat bonus for doing his master's dirty work and taking the fall for him.

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It doesn't work like that. He will not serve any jail time for breaking employment law.

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I'm sure P&O has done its homework. All the courts would say is pay the ex-workers an enhanced redundancy and this is what P&O has done.

I suspect Johnson's talk of taking the company to court was just to get him off the hook in PMQs in the expectation that people would forget about it.

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How was he on the hook? out of interest.

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It happened under his watch.

Some may think that's unfair but that's the responsibility that comes with the job. The same would be true if it happened under another Prime Minister.

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That’s a bit desperate, even for you.

‘On his watch’ generally is used in discussion of failures the one on watch (or their subordinates) should have seen and taken action on.

It is very hard to see how the government could or should have done anything here, especially as P&O has now admitted it knowingly broke the law in the whole area of *not* telling people what it was planning.

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Johnson was under pressure on the issue and bought time by saying the government would take action against the company.

The underlying issue here is that UK law is weaker here than some of its European peers which have prevented mass sackings and P&O has exploited this weakness. I'm not sure the finger can be pointed at anyone but the Government with regard to the UK's weaker legislation.

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In what way is our law weaker?

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I’m sorry but P&O has well and truly shot that fox.

They broke the law. They knew they were breaking the law. And they’re openly bribing their (ex) employees to try to avoid the consequences. Trying to turn this into a Brexit/EU/Bumbling Boris story is just silly.

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Why are you resorting to strawmen, Chris? I've not mentioned Brexit or the EU on this thread as they're not relevant. :confused:

This is about the difference in countries' national laws and P&O exploiting the weaker UK laws in an unscrupulous manner.

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I gave you a menu of your three favourite obsessions. You and I both know which one you’ve plumped for in this thread, because it’s the one you didn’t just object to. ;)

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Can you provide evidence that our laws are weaker please?

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No, it’s not, Andrew. We could have had tougher rules in place and they would have broken them too. They are willing to pay heavy fines because it will be worth it in the long run.

It’s a bit like saying that because so many cars are exceeding the 30mph speed limit, we need a 20mph speed limit.

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Lots of firms break environmental rules . . because it's cheaper to pay the fines than fix the issue.

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What heavy fines are you referring to? They're paying enhanced redundancy to their ex-workforce but I'm not aware of any fines they've incurred.

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Please see this article
https://www.thelocal.fr/20220318/why...rench-workers/

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Thanks but needs a subscription

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That's strange, I could access it ok.

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Yup, same here.