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ianch99 02-03-2022 16:55
Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
The worst of us ..

Tory MP says UK doesn't need to do more for Ukraine - as 'we've done our bit with migration'

Paul 02-03-2022 19:50
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115267)
The worst of us ..
Why is he "the worst of us" ?

ianch99 02-03-2022 20:09
Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115305)
Why is he "the worst of us" ?
His rejection of a proposal to help Ukrainians flee the war zone since he feels that we have "done our bit in terms of migration from eastern Europe".

We should stand with the rest of Europe and help in the same way they are. By not doing so, we show the world where this government has taken this country.

Mr K 02-03-2022 20:15
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115311)
His rejection of a proposal to help Ukrainians flee the war zone since he feels that we have "done our bit in terms of migration from eastern Europe".

We should stand with the rest of Europe and help in the same way they are. By not doing so, we show the world where this government has taken this country.
Well said Sir. We used to be a respected country, a refuge for those genuinely in need. If we're not going to militarily get involved, then it's the least we can do.

OLD BOY 02-03-2022 20:28
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115267)
I’m not sure if you have misread this.

Firstly, Leigh made the point that his constituency was "under extreme pressure in terms of housing and jobs". That is, presumably a fact.

Leigh was speaking after the home secretary outlined plans for the expansion of rules for Ukrainian family members to come to the UK. This would mean the loosening of the eligibility criteria from just spouses and children under 18 to grandparents, siblings, and adult children. Priti Patel also confirmed the relaxation of language requirements and salary thresholds that apply to most migrants entering the UK.

Leigh described her response as "proportionate".

You can feel sorry for people who are displaced, and that is only human. But there is a limit to how far you can go to help people. If hordes of people are brought into a situation where there is insufficient houses and jobs, that is incredibly short-sighted. You are not doing your constituents any favours and you are putting these people into a position of no hope.

You need to think things through when in government and that is what the Home Secretary and this particular MP are doing.

ianch99 02-03-2022 22:37
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36115319)
I’m not sure if you have misread this.

Firstly, Leigh made the point that his constituency was "under extreme pressure in terms of housing and jobs". That is, presumably a fact.

Leigh was speaking after the home secretary outlined plans for the expansion of rules for Ukrainian family members to come to the UK. This would mean the loosening of the eligibility criteria from just spouses and children under 18 to grandparents, siblings, and adult children. Priti Patel also confirmed the relaxation of language requirements and salary thresholds that apply to most migrants entering the UK.

Leigh described her response as "proportionate".

You can feel sorry for people who are displaced, and that is only human. But there is a limit to how far you can go to help people. If hordes of people are brought into a situation where there is insufficient houses and jobs, that is incredibly short-sighted. You are not doing your constituents any favours and you are putting these people into a position of no hope.

You need to think things through when in government and that is what the Home Secretary and this particular MP are doing.
You can be very certain I have misread nothing. This MP, together with Patel, Raab et al. are pandering to the prejudices of a small xenophobic minority in this country, nothing more. They think that by trying to curry favour with these people they hope to cling to power.

We are so much better than these morons and what they represent.

Damien 02-03-2022 22:47
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36115326)
This would be the perfect time to introduce crisis visa's giving entry while this continues with an obligation for them to return to Ukraine when normality is resumed, that normality being a free and fairly elected government in Ukraine.
Seem impractical. We don't know how long that would take and be asking people to live in limbo, unable to commit to a settled life here in case they go back.

If people are coming here to stay they should feel like they live a life here. Work long term, buy a home, settle in the community.

Paul 02-03-2022 22:48
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115311)
We should stand with the rest of Europe and help in the same way they are. By not doing so, we show the world where this government has taken this country.
He should represent is constituents, which is what he was doing.
Of course, the mere fact they are a conservative means you will attack them, regardless.
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... are pandering to the prejudices of a small xenophobic minority
Well at least you havent lost your ability to spout complete nonsense.

We dont live in some magical land, where houses, schools, services and everything else that 200,000+ (or whatever) people will need just happens to grow on a tree at the bottom of your garden.

Carth 02-03-2022 22:59
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115333)
He should represent is constituents, which is what he was doing.
Of course, the mere fact they are a conservative means you will attack them, regardless.

Well at least you havent lost your ability to spout complete nonsense.

We dont live in some magical land, where houses, schools, services and everything else that 200,000+ (or whatever) people will need just happens to grow on a tree at the bottom of your garden.
Some do think we live in that magical land, you can tell who they are because they've converted the spare bedroom/loft/garage into a nice pleasant place in which the people they've taken in can live comfortably. They also now 'job share' with them, and let them use the car for taking the kids to school . . .

I don't actually know any, but there must be loads of them if the guff on social media is to be believed

1andrew1 03-03-2022 00:32
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36115333)
He should represent is constituents, which is what he was doing.
Of course, the mere fact they are a conservative means you will attack them, regardless.

Well at least you havent lost your ability to spout complete nonsense.

We dont live in some magical land, where houses, schools, services and everything else that 200,000+ (or whatever) people will need just happens to grow on a tree at the bottom of your garden.
It's a different argument to say that there is no capacity in your own constituency for more people than to say the country shouldn't take in Ukranian refugees full stop.

A million people left the UK to return to EU countries during the Covid lockdowns, so presumably some opportunities for Ukranian refugees to replace some of these people exist? There's currently over 600,000 full time vacancies on Indeed.co.uk; many work places including schools, care homes and hospitals could do with another pair of hands.

Paul 03-03-2022 01:12
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36115340)
It's a different argument to say that there is no capacity in your own constituency for more people than to say the country shouldn't take in Ukranian refugees full stop.
Except he didnt say that, as Im sure you well know. :dozey:

OLD BOY 03-03-2022 08:42
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115331)
You can be very certain I have misread nothing. This MP, together with Patel, Raab et al. are pandering to the prejudices of a small xenophobic minority in this country, nothing more. They think that by trying to curry favour with these people they hope to cling to power.

We are so much better than these morons and what they represent.
No, they are being practical. Where would these additional people go? How would they survive without jobs? If you would allow this as a free for all, where would you put them? Are you going to create our very own tent city?

1andrew1 03-03-2022 08:51
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36115357)
No, they are being practical. Where would these additional people go? How would they survive without jobs? If you would allow this as a free for all, where would you put them? Are you going to create our very own tent city?
Over 640,000 full-time vacancies on Indeed.co.uk and over a million EU nationals returned home during the lockdowns.

GrimUpNorth 03-03-2022 09:22
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36115357)
No, they are being practical. Where would these additional people go? How would they survive without jobs? If you would allow this as a free for all, where would you put them? Are you going to create our very own tent city?
Don't worry Old Boy, if we do take anyone and the Government re-use the Afghanistan model then I doubt any of the pesky foreigners will darken Wokingham. Why would they when they can just put them in areas with Labour councils. Have a read.

Sephiroth 03-03-2022 09:25
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115331)
You can be very certain I have misread nothing. This MP, together with Patel, Raab et al. are pandering to the prejudices of a small xenophobic minority in this country, nothing more. They think that by trying to curry favour with these people they hope to cling to power.

We are so much better than these morons and what they represent.

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You can be very certain I have misread nothing. This MP, together with Patel, Raab et al. are pandering to the prejudices of a small xenophobic minority in this country, nothing more. They think that by trying to curry favour with these people they hope to cling to power.
No. What OB replied.

Quote:
We are so much better than these morons and what they represent.
Yes.

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2022 13:21
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36115357)
No, they are being practical. Where would these additional people go? How would they survive without jobs? If you would allow this as a free for all, where would you put them? Are you going to create our very own tent city?

Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?

Mick 03-03-2022 14:05
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Posts moved out of main Russia invasion thread.

There is merit to the discussion on the Humanitarian crisis unfolding in and around Ukraine. So rather than stifle the discussion aspect of it in the main thread. (I really don’t want to read arguments in that main thread). Discuss the humanitarian efforts going on, refugee crisis etc here.

Hugh 03-03-2022 14:26
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...r-into-germany

Quote:
The loudspeaker announcement is nearly drowned out by the hubbub of passengers spilling out of the train from Warsaw, but it's a message many of them have been longing to hear: "Dear passengers from Ukraine, welcome to Berlin!"

Just over a week after Russia launched an attack on Ukraine, the trickle of war refugees arriving in Germany has swelled into a steady stream.

"The situation has changed dramatically," said Katja Kipping, senator for social affairs in the city state of Berlin.

On Tuesday evening alone, 1,300 refugees arrived in the German capital by train.

Mayor Franziska Giffey expects Berlin, less than 100 kilometres from Ukraine's western neighbour Poland, to take in at least 20,000 Ukrainians in the weeks ahead, and his city is urgently preparing emergency accommodation.

Germany's interior ministry has officially registered more than 5,000 Ukrainian refugees so far. But given the absence of border checks between Poland and Germany the real number is likely higher.

OLD BOY 03-03-2022 15:07
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115379)
Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?
And the UK is taking in 200,000 - one little point you failed to mention.

Pierre 03-03-2022 15:12
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115379)
Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?
I wouldn't be praising Russia for their intake!

ianch99 03-03-2022 16:32
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115387)
Posts moved out of main Russia invasion thread.

There is merit to the discussion on the Humanitarian crisis unfolding in and around Ukraine. So rather than stifle the discussion aspect of it in the main thread. (I really don’t want to read arguments in that main thread). Discuss the humanitarian efforts going on, refugee crisis etc here.
Thanks Mick :tu:

Sephiroth 03-03-2022 16:49
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

TheDaddy 03-03-2022 17:38
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115405)
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.
I think I agree with all of this :tu:

Hugh 03-03-2022 18:07
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115405)
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.
Agreed

1andrew1 03-03-2022 18:15
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115405)
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.
Spot on. :clap::clap::clap:

Blackshep 03-03-2022 19:16
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
But we are an island with many area's already overstretched in term's of social services, education and medical services and whilst in an ideal world we would shelter anyone who needed it the reality is we can't. Humanitarian aid and any other assistance we can give should be given but unless there is a massive investment in national infrastructure coming we are close to our limit on people in the UK and seizing some properties isn't going to change that.

papa smurf 03-03-2022 19:20
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
So who will offer a room in their home?

Sephiroth 03-03-2022 19:45
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36115432)
But we are an island with many area's already overstretched in term's of social services, education and medical services and whilst in an ideal world we would shelter anyone who needed it the reality is we can't. Humanitarian aid and any other assistance we can give should be given but unless there is a massive investment in national infrastructure coming we are close to our limit on people in the UK and seizing some properties isn't going to change that.
Seizing some properties?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115434)
So who will offer a room in their home?
The local authority thieves will have the home revalued and twice the council tax will have to be paid.

Paul 03-03-2022 19:48
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115441)
Seizing some properties?
I presume he means some Russian owned ones.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36115396)
I wouldn't be praising Russia for their intake!
He wasnt, its just a list.
For that matter, Belarus was on it as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60555472

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2022 20:18
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115434)
So who will offer a room in their home?
Already spoken to SWMBO, if there’s an opportunity to provide shelter we will, we’ve got three spare double rooms.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115405)
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.
Spot on….

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36115395)
And the UK is taking in 200,000 - one little point you failed to mention.
Are they in the U.K. yet ? These are actual numbers of people already in new countries, whilst we dilly dally

Could you answer the question I posed ?

Hugh 03-03-2022 20:25
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115434)
So who will offer a room in their home?
We (and a few neighbours in the same position (empty nesters)) have given our names to our local Church which is co-ordinating the requirements/rooms available in this neighbourhood.

Can I also suggest if anyone is thinking of donating money, use the DEC.ORG.UK website, as the U.K. Government is matching contributions (also, tick "Gift Aid" as well).

https://www.dec.org.uk/

OLD BOY 03-03-2022 20:32
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115463)
Already spoken to SWMBO, if there’s an opportunity to provide shelter we will, we’ve got three spare double rooms.

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Spot on….

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Are they in the U.K. yet ? These are actual numbers of people already in new countries, whilst we dilly dally

Could you answer the question I posed ?
We are further away than the countries that border Ukraine. But the UK offer is there to be taken up.

Mad Max 03-03-2022 20:48
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Are they in the U.K. yet ? These are actual numbers of people already in new countries, whilst we dilly dally

Could you answer the question I posed ?
The countries that most of those poor people have fled to, seeking shelter, are far closer than the UK, how are they supposed to get here as quick? :rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2022 21:37
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36115476)
The countries that most of those poor people have fled to, seeking shelter, are far closer than the UK, how are they supposed to get here as quick? :rolleyes:
We should be putting a similar amount of effort into getting refugees to safety as we have made of getting military supplies in.

Don’t tell me it can’t be done, it can, it just requires effort.

ianch99 03-03-2022 21:52
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36115405)
I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.
Bravo. Exactly the right sentiment.

TheDaddy 03-03-2022 22:00
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115471)
We (and a few neighbours in the same position (empty nesters)) have given our names to our local Church which is co-ordinating the requirements/rooms available in this neighbourhood.

Can I also suggest if anyone is thinking of donating money, use the DEC.ORG.UK website, as the U.K. Government is matching contributions (also, tick "Gift Aid" as well).

https://www.dec.org.uk/
Thanks Hugh, I've been donating through the Red Cross, this is better

ianch99 03-03-2022 23:06
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115434)
So who will offer a room in their home?
Count me in. How about you?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115471)
We (and a few neighbours in the same position (empty nesters)) have given our names to our local Church which is co-ordinating the requirements/rooms available in this neighbourhood.

Can I also suggest if anyone is thinking of donating money, use the DEC.ORG.UK website, as the U.K. Government is matching contributions (also, tick "Gift Aid" as well).

https://www.dec.org.uk/
My company is also matching donations, in my case, the Red Cross

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This is what we should strive for:

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/sta...39110502256641

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Thousands of people in Berlin have gone to the central train station to offer fleeing Ukrainians a place to stay. Really moving.
Doesn't Farage's children have German passports? I wonder if he'll be with them on the platform and what his sign, that he holds up, might say?

Mad Max 04-03-2022 01:13
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36115488)
We should be putting a similar amount of effort into getting refugees to safety as we have made of getting military supplies in.

Don’t tell me it can’t be done, it can, it just requires effort.
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Both posts edited, cut it out please.

1andrew1 04-03-2022 15:50
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36115476)
The countries that most of those poor people have fled to, seeking shelter, are far closer than the UK, how are they supposed to get here as quick? :rolleyes:
When they get out of Ukraine, companies like WizzAir are offering free flights. English is the third most spoken language in Ukraine so the UK is attractive for that reason.
https://simpleflying.com/wizz-air-fr...fares-ukraine/

1andrew1 07-03-2022 10:22
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I think there's more Russian oligarchs than Ukranian refugees here!
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A government minister has defended the UK's support for fleeing Ukrainian refugees after it was revealed by the Home Office only "around 50" visas had been granted.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...o-far-12559733

ianch99 07-03-2022 11:54
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36115807)
I think there's more Russian oligarchs than Ukranian refugees here!

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...o-far-12559733
By design, I'm afraid. This Government is in a dilemma: they think they need to pander to the prejudices of their core support but, at the same time, try to appear generous and supportive of Ukraine on the world stage. An impossibility ..

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115434)
So who will offer a room in their home?
You have not yet replied to your own question? I wonder why ..

papa smurf 07-03-2022 12:24
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36115812)
By design, I'm afraid. This Government is in a dilemma: they think they need to pander to the prejudices of their core support but, at the same time, try to appear generous and supportive of Ukraine on the world stage. An impossibility ..

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You have not yet replied to your own question? I wonder why ..



That's because i already know the answer.

ianch99 07-03-2022 14:56
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36115816)
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That's because i already know the answer.
Which is?

Mick 07-03-2022 15:14
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As a conservative. I’m deeply embarrassed by this governments approach to Ukrainian refugees. There should be a decisive instruction and criteria.

Our side has been banging on about illegal migrants not coming from war torn countries like France. But these Ukrainian migrants are desperate and are coming from War torn countries.

Hugh 08-03-2022 12:52
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https://twitter.com/sirrogergale/sta...235027460?s=21

From a Tory MP.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1646740356

pip08456 08-03-2022 13:33
Re: Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion
 
Why not just issue then with 3 month visitor visas and sort out the detail later? Let's give them the shelter and safe haven they deserve.

1andrew1 08-03-2022 14:31
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Misleading the house is quite a strong accusation.

As I said in the other thread, i wonder if Zelenskyy will raise visas when he addresses the British Parliament today?

pip08456 08-03-2022 14:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36115972)
Misleading the house is quite a strong accusation.

As I said in the other thread, i wonder if Zelenskyy will raise visas when he addresses the British Parliament today?
There is an office in a previously unused building in Calais staffed by 5 men who cannot issue visas but show how an online application can be made if you have a mobile phone, there is also one being opened in Lille perhaps because Eurostar have offered free travel to Ukrainian refugees.

Still not enough though IMHO.

Odessa National Opera WW2 and today.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1646748171

and inside with a reference to London during the blitz.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646748193

1andrew1 08-03-2022 15:03
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36115981)
There is an office in a previously unused building in Calais staffed by 5 men who cannot issue visas but show how an online application can be made if you have a mobile phone, there is also one being opened in Lille perhaps because Eurostar have offered free travel to Ukrainian refugees.

Still not enough though IMHO.
Interesting, thank you.
Application forms on mobile phones aren't usually a lot of fun.

pip08456 08-03-2022 15:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36115982)
Interesting, thank you.
Application forms on mobile phones aren't usually a lot of fun.
Which is why I think not enough is being done. Why not just rubber stamp anyone with a Ukrainian passport with a visitor visa and sort out the detail later?

Hugh 08-03-2022 15:25
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There’s a Games Bundle with the money going to support Ukraine.

https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine

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The people of Ukraine are under attack. As game developers we want to create new worlds, not to destroy the one we have. That's why we've banded together to present this charity bundle to help Ukrainians survive this ordeal and thrive after the war ends. This cause has resonated with creators around the globe, to the extent that our bundle contains almost 1,000 games, tabletop RPGs, books, etc.

Over 700 creators have joined in support to donate their work. All proceeds from this bundle will be split between the following charities:

International Medical Corps provides medical assistance in the region. They have very low fundraising overhead (1% of income), with 89% of donations going to medical aid and 10% to administration.
Voices of Children, a Ukrainian organization that helps children cope with the horrors of war, PTSD, readjusting to school, and getting back to being kids. They have also been doing a lot of grassroots impromptu work during the war, such as helping set up shelters. Our hope is that this war will be over soon, and they can begin the work of healing these kids' hearts.
Of these nearly 1,000 products, more than 600 have never been in a major bundle before. Several prominent developers and publishers signed up to itch.io specifically to be in this bundle. And there's something for everyone - we have almost 600 digital video games, over 300 analog tabletop RPGs, and dozens of asset packs, books, zines, and comics, soundtracks/music, and a host of other products. Also unique to this bundle, we only allowed paid products.

We kept the minimum low, but we highly urge you to pay above the minimum if you can afford to do so. All proceeds will be split between the charities 50/50.

RichardCoulter 08-03-2022 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115986)
There’s a Games Bundle with the money going to support Ukraine.

https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine
So good to see all walks of life showing their support in so many different ways.

Will the fact payment is in dollars cause any issues for those in the UK?

ianch99 08-03-2022 16:25
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36115831)
As a conservative. I’m deeply embarrassed by this governments approach to Ukrainian refugees. There should be a decisive instruction and criteria.

Our side has been banging on about illegal migrants not coming from war torn countries like France. But these Ukrainian migrants are desperate and are coming from War torn countries.
Thank you Mick for calling this out. There are things that transcend tribal politics and this is one of them. It is now you really see who stands up and is counted ..

Chris 08-03-2022 16:41
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Count me in then. I’m absolutely fizzing about stories of people going to Calais (where a UK visa centre is now supposed to be operating) only to be told they can get an appointment in Paris this time next week. There is clearly a massive cultural failing within the Home Office that is being allowed to run riot for a complete dearth of leadership from the very top. It’s an absolute disgrace. It’s also completely unnecessary - when Idi Amin ran riot in Nigeria we brought thousands of refugees straight to London and processed their paperwork afterwards. Precisely the same thing could be done now.

I really have no idea what is driving the Conservative Party any more. There is nothing in the legitimate political aim of restoring sovereign control over our borders that necessitates this indifferent-to-the-point-of-callous approach to the biggest refugee crisis of our generation.

Hugh 08-03-2022 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36115999)
So good to see all walks of life showing their support in so many different ways.

Will the fact payment is in dollars cause any issues for those in the UK?
Shouldn't think so - one can pay by card or PayPal, and it will be converted to Sterling on your bill.

1andrew1 08-03-2022 16:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116004)
Count me in then. I’m absolutely fizzing about stories of people going to Calais (where a UK visa centre is now supposed to be operating) only to be told they can get an appointment in Paris this time next week. There is clearly a massive cultural failing within the Home Office that is being allowed to run riot for a complete dearth of leadership from the very top. It’s an absolute disgrace. It’s also completely unnecessary - when Idi Amin ran riot in Nigeria we brought thousands of refugees straight to London and processed their paperwork afterwards.

I really have no idea what is driving the Conservative Party any more. There is nothing in the legitimate political aim of restoring sovereign control over our borders that necessitates our lackadaisical approach to the biggest refugee crisis of our generation.
We've been really good with Hong Kongers which shows we can devise practical solutions when we need to.

We're making an utter pig's ear of Ukranian visas and putting traumatised people through another stressful ordeal.

It's a stain on the country's reputation.

We have the jobs - over 600k full-time vacancies on Indeed.co.uk, the space (1m EU nationals left during lockdown) and the wealth (5th/6th wealthiest country) so there's no excuse for us not to take our fair share of refugees.

I hope Patel has a Road to Damascus moment, as she seems unsackable.

Chris 08-03-2022 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36116008)
We've been really good with Hong Kongers which shows we can devise practical solutions when we need to.

We're making an utter pig's ear of Ukranian visas and putting traumatised people through another stressful ordeal.

It's a stain on the country's reputation.

We have the jobs - over 600k full-time vacancies on Indeed.co.uk, the space (1m EU nationals left during lockdown) and the wealth (5th/6th wealthiest country) so there's no excuse for us not to take our fair share of refugees.

I hope Patel has a Road to Damascus moment, as she seems unsackable.
I nearly pointed out that if they couldn’t bring themselves to act in a humanitarian capacity they might at least see an opportunity to address the national labour shortage … but I didn’t want to seem mercenary. It’s really hard to know what to think about all this.

daveeb 08-03-2022 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36115983)
Which is why I think not enough is being done. Why not just rubber stamp anyone with a Ukrainian passport with a visitor visa and sort out the detail later?
Indeed, spot on :tu:

1andrew1 08-03-2022 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116011)
I nearly pointed out that if they couldn’t bring themselves to act in a humanitarian capacity they might at least see an opportunity to address the national labour shortage … but I didn’t want to seem mercenary. It’s really hard to know what to think about all this.
It seems an unpleasant blend of ideology, underfunding and incompetence.

TheDaddy 08-03-2022 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116011)
I nearly pointed out that if they couldn’t bring themselves to act in a humanitarian capacity they might at least see an opportunity to address the national labour shortage … but I didn’t want to seem mercenary. It’s really hard to know what to think about all this.
I may have dreamt this but didn't some tory berk say they could get fruit picking visas the other day :rolleyes:

ianch99 08-03-2022 19:19
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36116028)
I may have dreamt this but didn't some tory berk say they could get fruit picking visas the other day :rolleyes:
There was this guy?

Ukraine invasion: Immigration minister Kevin Foster criticised for suggesting those fleeing Russian forces 'apply to be fruit pickers' in UK

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In a now-deleted tweet, immigration minister Kevin Foster says Ukrainians could qualify for the seasonal worker scheme - where people can come to the UK for up to six months to work in jobs such as fruit picking - or apply for a family visa if they already have a relative in Britain.

TheDaddy 08-03-2022 20:57
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Yes, you can only hope his callous attitude and words come back to haunt him come election day

RichardCoulter 08-03-2022 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36116019)
It seems an unpleasant blend of ideology, underfunding and incompetence.
The problem this Government has got is that they want to look to be being tough on immigration to appease the right wing of their party and do what they think their core & new supporters expect of them. It"s an anti EU Government and i'm convinced that the main reason for the Brexit result and Johnsons "Lets Get Brexit done" high majority is because of this single issue, not sovereignty or anything else.

At the same time, by being luke warm aboiut taking in refugees from Ukraine, many people are disgusted with then, including their own supporters, hardened Brexiteers and people who switched to voting Tory at the last General Election. This is the message i'm getting anyway from people I know right across the political spectrum. They see this tranche of immigration as acceptable as opposed to people coming over on boats or as a result of the former Freedom of Movement EU law.

The Government probably feel that they are between a rock & a hard place, but they're not reading the room on this issue.

I've not come across one person who is against us taking in people from Ukraine, just some concern about them putting more pressure on schools, the NHS etc, which is a legitimate concern.

Paul 08-03-2022 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36116058)
I've not come across one person who is against us taking in people from Ukraine.
That depends on how its done.
In principle, yes, by all means lets take some in.
However, I'm against a "free for all" just open the gates policy.
We have to be practical and control it, the UK does not have unlimited resources for a sudden flood of extra people.
We already have a shortage of housing in many areas, not to mention they are always telling us how all our services are under pressure (think NHS).

RichardCoulter 08-03-2022 22:55
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True. They are going to have to put more money into services if they are going to let them in.

Maybe they could allow them to work in areas where there are shortages? English speaking doctors would be very welcome after training to align with English standards. Those who did service industry jobs could replace the EU migrants who left.

This way they would have their self respect and be able to thank the country that gave them sanctuary, they wouldn't be living off NAS payments, so instead of costing the taxpayer, they would be paying tax/NI instead.

Where we will house them isn't so simple. The Government have a lot of large surplus former DWP & tax offices that aren't selling, so at least initially they could stay there to be warm, dry and secure. Maybe they could be turned into bedsits/flats for more long term use??

Whilst I do want us to help them, I can understand homeless people asking the question :why couldn't/wouldn't you do the same for me?

papa smurf 09-03-2022 08:31
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The gov must carefully vet all applications the last thing we need is a squad of Russian spies armed with novichok entering the UK again.

1andrew1 09-03-2022 10:25
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New refugees minister appointed as Patel squirms and the EU takes in refugees visa-free for three years.

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UK's slow response to refugee crisis put into sharp contrast by Ireland - as Patel 'squirms' under questioning in cabinet

The UK's undoubtedly slow response to taking Ukrainian refugees has been put into further sharp contrast by what Ireland is doing.

The Home Office said over the weekend that "around 50" family member visas had been given - a number that Priti Patel then describes as "inaccurate" on Monday and that has now grown to 770.

Overnight, political correspondent Joe Pike heard from a cabinet source that the home secretary struggled to convince colleagues she was on top of the issue during cabinet yesterday. She was said to have "gone round in circles" and "squirmed and hated" it when colleagues, notably Grant Shapps, drilled down into the details.

But while the UK application system has maintained conditions and, seemingly, be plagued by logistical issues, in Ireland they dropped visa requirements as soon as they invasion started.

Sky News Ireland correspondent Stephen Murphy reports that the country has now taken in a total of 2,123 Ukrainian refugees. The true figure may be higher, as Ireland's Department of Justice only maintains data for Dublin Airport, and doesn't count any Ukrainians arriving at other ports of entry.

Ireland, along with the other EU member states, has brought forward temporary protection measures allowing Ukrainians to enter visa-free, and to stay for up to three years.

In an effort to get a grip of the growing visas crisis, Boris Johnson has created the post of refugees minister and appointed former MP and businessman Richard Harrington to the role.

Mr Harrington will be made a life peer.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-r...dates-12541713

Maggy 09-03-2022 10:40
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I'm wondering what Patel has got on Boris to be still having a cabinet position.

Hugh 09-03-2022 11:59
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#realdailybriefing



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Heat Nowt To Help Out!
:D

1andrew1 09-03-2022 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116098)
I'm wondering what Patel has got on Boris to be still having a cabinet position.
Probably some partygate photos in the same vein that got Gavin the incompetent a CBE when all eyes were on Ukraine?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...comedian-as-pm

TheDaddy 09-03-2022 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116098)
I'm wondering what Patel has got on Boris to be still having a cabinet position.
She knows how many children he's really got :)

1andrew1 09-03-2022 19:22
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It's almost like we don't want any Ukranian refugees here. And what does "people in the area eligible for the scheme" mean? Which area?
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Ukraine war: Home Office confirm new UK visa centre in Lille will not accept walk-in applications from Ukrainian refugees

A visa centre being set up in northern France to assist Ukrainian refugees will not offer appointments or walk-in access, and its exact location will not be made public, the Home Office has confirmed.

Earlier, a Downing Street spokesman told reporters the centre in Lille would "start accepting appointments" from Thursday, but that has been contradicted by a statement released by the Home Office...

"...we have set up a new temporary Visa Application Centre in Lille which will open tomorrow focused on referrals only for people in the area eligible for the scheme."
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...ugees-12561804

Hugh 09-03-2022 19:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36116094)
The gov must carefully vet all applications the last thing we need is a squad of Russian spies armed with novichok entering the UK again.
If they were coming, they would be here already - they wouldn’t have waited for a travel lockdown to travel here…

Hugh 09-03-2022 22:36
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https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1...784861186?s=21

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1646861593

Did they get their implementation and publicity plan from Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy?

Quote:
“But the plans were on display…”

“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”

“That’s the display department.”

“With a flashlight.”

“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”

“So had the stairs.”

“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”

“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

1andrew1 09-03-2022 23:30
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Has he not heard of planes?
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Tory MP says it would be ‘immoral’ for Britain to take more Ukrainian refugees

Daniel Kawczynski, the MP for Shrewsbury, said people fleeing the conflict should remain in "front line" states and not travel to the UK for their own good.

"British left-wing parties demand Britain takes in more Ukrainian refugees," he said in a message posted on social media.

"This is illiterate and immoral. When war is over Ukrainians will need to return home to rebuild their country.

"British left-wing parties demand Britain takes in more Ukrainian refugees," he said in a message posted on social media.

"This is illiterate and immoral. When war is over Ukrainians will need to return home to rebuild their country.

"We should be supporting Ukrainian refugees in frontline states like Poland and Romania."

Mr Kawczynski last hit the headlines in January after it emerged he had spent £22,000 of public money on taxpayer-funded Polish lessons.

In 2019 the Warsaw-born MP have claimed he was an "almost fluent Polish speaker". He defended the expenditure and said MPs were encouraged to "undertake various types of training".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

TheDaddy 10-03-2022 03:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36116094)
The gov must carefully vet all applications the last thing we need is a squad of Russian spies armed with novichok entering the UK again.
Don't want to scare you snowflake but if the Russians wanted spies or assasins here they'd already be in place, they wouldn't rely on refugees to accomplish that, still it's a good excuse not to let any/many in

Mad Max 10-03-2022 18:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36116215)
Don't want to scare you snowflake but if the Russians wanted spies or assasins here they'd already be in place, they wouldn't rely on refugees to accomplish that, still it's a good excuse not to let any/many in

They probably are.

ianch99 10-03-2022 18:24
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Brutal Spectator front page .. a notable "leftie" publication

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNagGPBW...jpg&name=small

Chris 10-03-2022 18:36
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I don’t care what universe you’re from … that’s gotta hurt!

1andrew1 10-03-2022 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116295)
I don’t care what universe you’re from … that’s gotta hurt!
Perhaps even more so given that Johnson was once its editor.

Chris 10-03-2022 19:33
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Kind of who I was thinking of ;)

heero_yuy 10-03-2022 19:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116295)
I don’t care what universe you’re from … that’s gotta hurt!
It's a familiar quote: Star wars Episode 1, pod race?

Chris 10-03-2022 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36116302)
It's a familiar quote: Star wars Episode 1, pod race?
Indeed :D

ianch99 11-03-2022 11:46
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A letter to the Times :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNaubyYX...jpg&name=small

Mick 12-03-2022 16:28
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Not a pic from 1941, who’d have thought 81 years later this kind of crap is still a thing in 2022….

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647098827

Mick 13-03-2022 22:17
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BREAKING: Sajid Javid has tweeted following in last few minutes:

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I can confirm that 21 very ill Ukrainian children with cancer have landed safely in UK this evening.

@NHSEngland will now ensure they get life-saving care in safety.

Hugely grateful to everyone involved in helping get these children and their families here.

1andrew1 31-03-2022 01:12
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Whilst the UK seems to have performed very well with military support, the same can't be said for accepting Ukranian refugees.
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Only 10% of Ukrainian refugee visa applications to live with Britons approved

Of those applying under Homes for Ukraine scheme, just 2,700 have been accepted, minister tells MPs

Overall, fewer than half of the visa applications from Ukrainians fleeing the war and seeking to settle in the UK had been approved, Lord Richard Harrington told MPs.

He said that nearly 60,000 Ukrainians had applied for entry to the UK since Russia invaded their country last month. Of these, 31,200 were applications from people with family members with residency in the UK, 22,500 of which have been processed successfully.

More than 4mn Ukrainians have fled the country overall, according to the UN, 2.3mn of them to neighbouring Poland.

Around 150,000 Britons have volunteered as hosts in response. But Harrington said only 2,700, of 28,500 applications under this programme, had been processed. Harrington said the vetting of people coming into the UK using this method was more complicated, but admitted that the form filling required — it took him nearly one hour when he tried it at home — was “too long”.

“We are going through every step of trying to shorten that form with the support of officials and full support of the Home Office,” he told the House of Commons select committee for levelling up, housing and communities.

The aim, he said, was to ramp up to 15,000 visas a week under both programmes.
https://www.ft.com/content/bffc1267-...0-801268dc88b2

---------- Post added 31-03-2022 at 00:12 ---------- Previous post was 30-03-2022 at 23:36 ----------

And this is the sad reality in Ukraine for those hoping to get to the UK.

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In the cold, dark basement of their bombed out apartment in Kharkiv, families huddle among the sewage pipes to keep warm. Two young girls, wearing thick coats and woolly hats, kneel in the dirt as they draw pictures of children beneath a bright yellow sun.

The children’s family are among a number of Ukrainians worried that their lives are being put at risk by the UK’s complex and lengthy visa application process.

On Wednesday, as Boris Johnson defended the government’s “overwhelmingly generous” record on refugees in the Commons, the Home Office revealed that just 2,700 visas have been issued under the Homes for Ukraine sponsorship scheme. Meanwhile, shells were falling near a makeshift bomb shelter in Kharkiv where several families are waiting for the UK to rubberstamp their path to safety.

“It’s constant bombing. Even in the blocks that are not bombed, there is no electricity. They have no water. There are no supplies. It is very scary for them,” said Tatyana Moskalenko, a Ukrainian who lives in the UK and is helping several families in Kharkiv navigate the UK visa process. “The majority of them have been spending weeks in a basement. They can’t get out of the house because it’s being constantly bombed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-for-uk-visas

Paul 31-03-2022 01:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36117820)
They can’t get out of the house because it’s being constantly bombed.
So how exactly would a visa help then ?

OLD BOY 31-03-2022 08:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117826)
So how exactly would a visa help then ?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. Still, any excuse for The Guardian to have a pop at the government.

Maggy 31-03-2022 10:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116185)
https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1...784861186?s=21

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1646861593

Did they get their implementation and publicity plan from Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy?
:clap:

Sephiroth 31-03-2022 10:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117837)
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. Still, any excuse for The Guardian to have a pop at the government.
The government is shit in many respects. I don;’t need the Grauniad to tell me that and certainly don’t need OB to be more than half full in regard to the government.

1andrew1 31-03-2022 11:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117826)
So how exactly would a visa help then ?
What price hope?


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