Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory
 

The captain of Birmingham City has written to the Education Secretary calling for black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory in schools.

Troy Deeny says that this will help to combat racist beliefs and stereotypes from an early age.

There seems to be more and more footballers entering the political arena.

Source: BBC1 lunchtime news.

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And what's the problem with that?

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https://news.sky.com/story/birmingha...l%20curriculum.

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What if they teach kids our colonial history and they decide they want it back.

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Might be a bit tricky/difficult, as we don’t have an Empire, and all its resources, or the largest navy in the world, to facilitate that…

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A few topics for them to dwell on.

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It was colonization of Africa that largely brought slavery to an end there.
The Black African rulers were only too happy to keep slavery.
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Who is going to tell those in the Nation of Islam?:D

Ottoman Empire

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Quick, get those statues back up :D

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And these are relevant to British Colonial history teaching how?

Shouldn’t you be busy in another great defending Putin? ;)

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They just want the nice bits not the truth;)

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Also as I pointed out, it was British Colonial history that brought slavery to an end in many black and Asian countries.
Slavery in Africa existed before the Transatlantic slave trade started and continued after it ended. The teaching and TV presentation on the subject is rather selective, one-sided, and biased.


Does NATO and the West, in general, support areas that wish to separate from a country, or does it depend on who wishes to separate? That is my issue on the matter. The astounding hypocrisy of NATO.

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As valid part of our history to teach as anything else really. The problem is there is a lot of history so plenty of debate to be had on what we cover. From what I remember we did: Romans, Tudors, History of Medicine, WW2 and Northern Ireland. WW2 is likely to always be a constant but really you could swap out most of the rest for some other time in our history.

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But those are big things with a large and widespread impact.

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It's good to be educated about everything and everyone.

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There isn't enough time to teach students about "everything and everyone".
Even if there was, the intention, as I've highlighted, is not about "everything and everyone". They want to be rather selective, as they are now.

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The wider topic of the British Empire had a huge impact on us and the world. We drew up so much of the African and Middle-Eastern borders as well as influenced how those nations developed. An understanding of that would help us understand at least a few of the current global conflicts.

At home and more to Deeney's point, it also had an influence on the make-up and culture of Britain. There is obviously a reason why Britain has people of different backgrounds. Understanding how that relates to our history is as important as the rest of it. Britain's relationship with India and Pakistan alone would warrant an entire GCSE module and yet still be quite a light and simplistic introduction.

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So no other countries had empires? Did history not exist before the British Empire arrived. Still intended to be highly selective and anti-White British.

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No other countries had Empires but we live in this one. There would be less value to British students in teaching them about the relationship between France and Africa than there would be teaching them about Britain and Africa.

And I don't see why it's 'anti-White'. You each the history as it is.

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:confused: French, Spanish, Russian(pre-20th century), Ottoman(as I've highlighted already), and many others.
I've demonstrated that "teaching" on slavery is selective and anti-White.
Or did you mean "No[to no other countries had empires], but other countries had Empires"?

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We live in Britain. Why do you find it hard to understand that therefore British History will take precedence?

All of those Empires are important in understanding the world but there is no Empire that had a greater impact on Modern Britain than the British Empire.

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Speaking as an educator born in Nigeria when it was part of the British Empire I say teach it warts and all whilst remembering that those that went out and built that empire weren’t completely evil or wicked just products of their times.

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There is plenty of other history that is relevant Deeney's point that isn't about who did what slavery to whom.

Personally I think it's part of the issue that anytime it's suggested that we learn more about some of the related history, it keeps coming back to the same 'look over there' talking points.

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Is 'white' history compulsory ?
(Btw, when is White History Month ?)

Lots of other countries had Empires, I seem to recall a certain Italian based one invaded Britain, and took us as slaves ....

Still waiting for the apology from Italy ...

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In this context, most of the history that is taught is about British History which is predominately white.

What Deeney is saying is there are parts of British History that aren't taught.

The Roman Era is usually taught in History. I certainly did it.

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I did a GCSE in their language

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This is what happens when you don’t adequately punctuate. ;)

I believe Damien meant to say: “No, other countries had empires, but …”

Nomad, as per usual you’re indulging in deflection and whataboutery, none of which alters the salient facts. Whatever the French, German, Spanish or Ottoman colonial authorities did is irrelevant to the question here, which is whether BAME history should be compulsory in British schools on account of the British empire’s extremely significant role in that history.

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Oh yeah! Lol sorry. Maybe there needs to be less history and more English lessons in schools.

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You cannot teach all history, there simply isnt the time.
Also, not the point, this was a request to specifically make "black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory".
On the face of it, thats a racist demand - imagine if someone wrote saying "white history" should be compulsory.

History was optional for me, and I didnt take it.

He says "..this will help to combat racist beliefs and stereotypes from an early age." No it wont, hes living in a fantasy world if he thinks that.

Maybe footballers should stick to football.

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History is a compulsory subject in the national curriculum

https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum

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No, you can't teach all history, but when we have different subjects taught there is no reason one of them cannot involve the history of one of Britain's minority populations. There would be so much to choose from. Several years ago I was in the Jewish Museum in London and there was this whole history of Jewish life in Britain that I was mostly oblivious to. That's probably the same for lots of communities in Britain.

Why not teach one of them?

I am not saying it should be compulsory but I don't think the idea it gets taught at all is silly.

I don't see why footballers are any more or less deserving to speak on these issues than most of the other people we have on television pontificating about things.

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It might be now, it wasnt in the 1970's, that also makes his whole request worse.
Since history as such is already complusory, hes just trying to force whats being taught based on race/colour. What a muppet.

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How many examples are there about being taught about minor White British people?
The slavery topic is just one example of where only one aspect is taught, ie the anti-White one. The full picture is never given.

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Here's the page on the government website about the history curriculum, you can see for yourself what is expected to be taught - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ammes-of-study
You seem obsessed with slavery.

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Yes white history is compulsory and white history month is every month because it's white people being learnt about, that notwithstanding I don't think this proposal is a good idea and may indeed cause more issues than it seeks to solve

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It turns out all history is apparently compulsory, so the original request is pointless.

There is no official "White History Month" (and what about Brown, Yellow, Red or even Mixed history months ?).

Of course, there is also a gay month, and a womens month, but no straight month, or mens month.

.. and they wonder what continues to cause division :rolleyes:

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perhaps the fact that there’s no mens history month is because historically women have been treated less equally than men and as such their achievements aren’t as widely known?

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“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.

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If you knew your history, you would know Italy isn't Rome, just like the UK isn't Wessex.

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He didn’t say Italy = Rome. He said a “certain empire” was Italian-based, which it was. Italy was a distinct geographical entity at the time of Rome’s rising and became a privileged province of the empire. And Rome was based there.

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I don't think the suffragettes were taught when I was at school, no doubt that would trigger people.

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Still haven't seen any examples from Troy Deeny of people who played a major part in UK history.
Strange that people keep complaining about the "racist" UK education system, when those from West Africa, Asian, and Chinese groups do well compared to Afro-Caribbean and even White British. The only group to perform worse than Afro-Caribbean children are those from Travellers groups, and they tend not to go to school in the first place. That proves that the problem isn't the education system, but the families themselves.

You can't compare the numbers of people from certain groups in certain jobs, if they're not achieving the required educational levels. You have to compare the %ages of those achieving any required educational levels and the desire to do a particular job, not the population levels.

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That's suggesting that people from certain racial backgrounds are solely at fault for their own lack of attainment. Successful education is a two way street - pupils need to engage in the education system but also the education system needs to engage with pupils of all backgrounds.

We all had subjects we hated when we were at school. To an extent, you have to have a natural talent in any given subject but the subject itself needs to be interesting. I have been going through a number of GCSE syllabi with my youngest as she has been doing her options. Two subjects I hated at school, history and RE look really interesting now. History has gone away from kings and queens and their dates of reign to thematic areas (history of medicine, cold war and the rise of the nazis for example) Religious Studies as it is called now compares and contrasts different religions but 50% of the course is ethics and the role of religion in society.

Of course it might be that I am older with education being wasted on the young and all that but courses now seem so much more interesting than when I was at school.

The biggest tragedy in education is talented pupils slipping though the system. How many great minds have slipped through the cracks of the system? I am sure we all know people who are fiercely intelligent with little or no formal education to back that up

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Which is you want people to know about. Minor figures or Major ones?

In regards to Troy Deeny, one of the things he referenced as part of a wider group that can be part of the discussion (and not as the only mandated source), is an organisation called 'The Black Curriculium'

On their website they have resources such as the following:

'Crossword - People in British History'
'Crossword - Iconic Black British Women'
'The British Empire Experiences of African and Caribbean People - Information Cards'
'Free Remembrance Day Resource' (A lesson about black people who fought for Britain in World War 1)

Along with resources for historical figures including well known ones to most such as Mary Seacole, but others including:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Blanke
and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_Bader

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So how many major non-white figures in UK history? The intent is to have teachings about non-white people who had a minor impact on UK history, therefore comparing it to the lack of white minor figures is valid.
The likes of Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Isaac Newton don't have a place in UK history simply because they were white, but because of the major things they achieved.


Your(added later] examples are still not MAJOR figures.

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I'd hope you're aware of the irony of what you're saying there, but I'm not sure that you are.

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So teachers are distinguishing between West African and Afro-Caribbean children, and somehow giving the Afro-Caribbean children a worse education, all within the same class?:confused:


Subjects that are studied purely because they are interesting, tend to have little or limited use in the real world. Subjects which are of real use, tend to be a barrage of facts. No getting around that.

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Your reading of history is elitist and completely inadequate.

Brunel never built a railway or a viaduct by himself. He designed and managed but there are thousands of individual stories of ordinary labourers upon whose shoulders these great endeavours were actually built. Sometimes they gave their lives for it.

If our history never achieves more than to list the names of people with ideas then those who toiled to bring those ideas to life are ignored and our understanding of what really makes our society tick is doomed to be incomplete. Arguing over who is a major or a minor figure is a pointless exercise. We are all individuals with our parts to play and our contributions to make, and these are the places where British BAME history is most often found.

While it is right that we correct the whitewashing of iconic black figures in our history, to focus on this is actually to fall into the trap of believing history is essentially all about iconic individuals. BAME communities in Britain will never win that battle because the reality is, most of the iconic individuals (where iconic is understood in terms of significant leadership in warfare, engineering, banking or whatever) in our history are white, for all sorts of reasons, not all of them good.

A well-rounded understanding of our history lies not the reciting of names and dates, but in attempts to understand how ordinary people actually put in the grunt work to build and maintain and grow Britain to the place it is today. If we achieve that, then people of all backgrounds should be properly represented.

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So how many major non-white figures in UK history? If they don't exist or are only a few, they can't be taught about.
Is the teaching of UK History a deluge about white males who had a minor impact? Including somebody in a subject, shouldn't based upon whether they come from a "special" group. It should be about what they achieved regardless of any groups they are in.

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You've just contradicted yourself.

'If they don't exist or are only a few, they can't be taught about'


' It should be about what they achieved regardless of any groups they are in'


The very fact that your asking how many major non white figures are there in UK history is direct evidence of how our history has been tailored to remove them.

Plenty of ways for you to find the evidence yourself, I'm not sure why you expect it to be presented on a platter to you.

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I remember, and people of my age probably will too, a programme we used to watch at school called "How we used to live", which IIRC detailed the lives of different classes of normal people in the Victorian era.

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History isn't just about major figures. Some of the best history I've enjoyed is about unknown people that I can personally relate to.

It's false equivalence anyways to talk about major non-white figures. Our own history both in the UK and our iteractions with the rest of the World mean that becoming a major non-white person in UK history was much more difficult.

And a lot of we count as the history of the UK was written by upper clast white males, so minimised minor people from all backgrounds, races and genders.

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Yup, got it. He is waiting for Italy to apologise because the Romans invaded Britain :D

I'm also waiting for Norway, France, Denmark, and Germany to apologise while we're at it :)

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There were several seasons of that programme - one my my siblings got WW1; I got WW2. Whatever period it was covering it was always interested in social history. The WW2 series is all set in one street and follows it from before the war to afterwards. It focuses on air raid precautions, frugality (“make good and mend” and so on) and IIRC a GI bride in one of the last instalments.

In one episode, an old woman is killed when a stray bomb lands on her house. After we saw it, we made up a song about how the old bag was dead. Then some of us noticed our class teacher, a fairly elderly woman, was wiping away a tear. Years afterwards I realised she would have been old enough to have been personally touched by stuff we saw in that series.

(Edit) - turns out there is a lot more How We Used to Live than I realised. From the description I saw series 4, and the old woman who got bombed was Mrs Battersby (I thought I’d remembered that but wasn’t certain). We sang “Old bag Battersby is dead” repeatedly. Ah to be a 10 year old boy again. :erm:


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But Italy is the successor state ;) Obviously the argument is a reductio ad absurdum but the question perhaps is, where do you stop? At what point do we stop being culpable for the actions of our ancestors? And if we’re not culpable, what does an apology achieve?

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Why is teaching about our country's past "anti-White British"?

What other countries did at the time is orthogonal to what we did. If our neighbours invaded countries while we did, does that excuse us doing it?

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Italy was not the "successor" state. There were many intermediate entities e.g. the Ostrogoths, the City States (Milan, Florence, Pisa, Siena, Genoa, Ferrara, Mantua, Verona and Venice), the Duchy of Tuscany, the Papal States, etc.

In contrast, the UK of Georgian and Victorian periods has direct lineage in terms of governance, continuity & ownership to the UK of today. There is a world of difference between the two examples.

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So, to address my question, how many intermediate entities insulate a modern government from the sins of a predecessor? Only one? Or does it take several? And in what sense does continuity of ownership transfer responsibility for events beyond living memory?

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Perhaps when they acknowledge that past actions were wrong and ensure that those sins aren't repeated.

That's ensure, not promise....

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Ensure is actually a very useful term here, because it allows us to address the nature of the handover of power from one entity to another. A democratically managed continuity in itself won’t ensure change because the new administration inherits established policies and a civil service that doesn’t readily change ingrained practices. Societal collapse or invasion might ensure change but even here I’d say it’s not guaranteed. It would depend on the invader’s objectives.

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In this instance, the recognition of past events and their acceptance of wrong doing SHOULD be the driver for change.

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No, the education system and associated syllabi are less successful at engaging people from certain backgrounds and we need to understand why this is the case. If the education system is changed so more people are encouraged to fulfill their potential, that is a power of good for both the individuals concerned and the greater society.

Subjects can be fact heavy but, if taught in the right way, also be interesting. The strongest piece of advice I give my kids and their peers is to study subjects that interest them and follow their nose but don't be afraid to change as your interests develop and they see new opportunities. My eldest was interest in astrophysics a few years back but a bad physics teacher kind of killed that off. She has excellent computer science and biology teachers who really engage well with her so that's the direction she is motivated to go in now with her A-levels along with maths and spanish

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That is a judgment call, there is no absolute equation. I would argue that the British Empire has direct continuity to the UK of today and so, as a result, a discussion of awareness, responsibility and recognition is valid.

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.. and took us as slaves, but yes.

For what ?

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We've noticed. ;)

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Vikings, Norman's and Anglo Saxons I'd imagine...

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Telling a truth is not rewriting history.

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That’s not telling the truth and if history has already been rewritten then it’s time to rewrite it again to reflect the true history of everyone not let those who won elections and wars be the only arbiters of the truth.

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Adding voices and experiences to history is not skewing the truth or erasing objects.

Being realistic about the effects of GB on the past world isn't a bad thing. That can be both acknowledging the positives and negatives of that.

And what on earth do you mean by 'indegenous'?

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Considering we already do as part of the national religion, I don't doubt it.

But you've still not explained what you mean by indigenous. You must have a explicit reason for using the word that you're happy to explain properly. Otherwise why use it?

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The Australian First Nations have a history that dates back 50,000 years.

We in the UK are made up of a range of historical groups none of which go back that far with the biggest additions to the the culture and population of the British Isles before our visits to other areas of the world I believe were Germanic tribes for the Anglo-Saxons, and Norse Vikings in the form of the Normans.

As for drawing you into a very difficult discussion, why is it difficult? You chose to use the word 'indigenous', so why do you now not want to talk about what you mean by that?

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This is not the time for revising the teaching of history far too many agenda's and zealots mean it would become a very slanted presentation.

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Unlike the slanted presentation it already has due to being written by zealots ?

I'll bet you think Jesus was white as well..... :rolleyes:

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That has always and will always be the case unfortunately.

It takes a recognition of that to avoid it.

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I'm an atheist but think Jesus for those who believe in him\it is whatever they choose. There is no such thing as a concrete version of history it always gets slanted but in the last two year's I've lost count of how many time's I've been called racist, benefiting from a privilege and an oppressor. Funny thing is it's from people who judge me on my skin colour while telling me how evil it is that I'm doing it because they say I am. Yeah sounds like the perfect time to rewrite thing's.

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Our culture is not set in aspic.

What our culture was when the country was majority 'Anglo-Saxons' is not what it was when it was 'Norman' or 'Tudor' or 'Victorian'. Things change and adapt to the people that are part of society.

A good chunk of the country faces East every Sunday. So if that's not what you mean, why are not willing to explicit in what you do mean?

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I've seen the movie he was white and English.

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Why are you playing silly games Ben you know what he meant give it a rest. He raises a valid point as to the increasing frustration and anger a growing number of white British feel (just making it easy so you don't play the same game with me) although no one cares so why worry about it. Also just to clarify I'm neither frustrated or angry as I only have a few more year's in the UK till I retire.

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I don't see it as a game, far from it. It should be a serious discussion, with people willing to be clear and explicit in their views and points.

Implications, inference and 'you know what I mean' are games.

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It has become almost taboo to talk about white people in anything but negative terms between the racism we're all supposedly infected with to the blame for every bad thing ever it's the wisest move not to discuss it openly.

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Why are they angry? They've got their country back, haven't they? No one to do the low paid work any longer and a rapidly ageing population, all sorted.

Times and cultures change, nothing stands still no matter how much we want it to. The fact is most of the Empire chose to go their own way when given the chance.

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You really are incapable of posting anything without having a dig at people over Brexit it's pathetic, I assume you'll be emigrating soon to get away from the awful half of society.

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As you are alluding to Muslims in the UK, it is worth pointing out the irony that a large number of them would not be here if the UK had not invaded Pakistan, India, etc. :) Kind of funny really ..

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No, it shouldn't. Which way do the altars in Christian churches in the UK face?

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It's good that isn't the case in the UK then. The majority of people in the UK do happily co-exist here, including those that follow different religions.

Are there some that don't? Yes, but that's true of all cultures here too, and it's not illegal to choose your own path in the world usually.

As with anyone in the UK it should be possible and correct to do so to deal with any illegal behaviour using our laws and rules, without an incorrect assumption that the behaviour applies to everyone from the same background or religion.

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It’s East, isn’t it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientation_of_churches

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Indeed, so I wanted to understand why this is apparently a problem

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oh look, another thread that descends into the pit of racism :rolleyes:

If people want to learn about the 'wider' UK history, there's Google to look at

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I don't believe that any reputable school teaches their students that way - which is why the original point of Troy Deeny and the reason this thread is here was a call to add more history subjects to lessons that reflect that 'wider' UK history.

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No, Troy Deeney is yet another black footballer approaching the end of his career and now trying his hand at politics :p:

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And as I said way back at the beginning of this thread:

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Does the national curriculum for history really need changing?

Are there many calls from teachers, school governors or education chiefs (of whatever race/colour/creed/religion) to alter it?

To be honest I haven't seen any, just Deeney (the excellent role model) trying to emulate Rashford.

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‘If" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there…

Wahhabism is 5% of Islam, and Muslims are 7% of the U.K. population - do the Maths…

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Only if we believe that we want everyone to "integrate"…

To fully integrate, you have to believe that you are a part of something - if your part in history is ignored/overlooked, how can you be a a part of it?

We Anglo-Saxons don’t have to worry about "representation", because that’s the default view…

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It's always being changed - the question is when we change it what do we include that reflects those in our current society.

There is quite a bit of context and recent history of the history curriculum here - https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...iculum-england

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For only 7% of the UK population, they've certainly got most of the media in a tail spin about what they can print :p:

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Re: Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory
 

Even if that projection holds, 17.2% does not an electoral majority make, especially as 'Muslim' does not predict voting intentions, just 'Christian' doesn't.

Re: Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory
 

Sorry Seph, that really is the point. The point of this thread is that we do not want to talk honestly about the past and it is this past that is the direct cause of problem you are raising. If we hadn't invaded these lands, they wouldn't be here in the numbers you are complaining about. Mea culpa ..

I do agree, BTW, about the apostacy issue: a sinister belief found in the Wahhabi variant of Islam, mercifully not a mainstream movement here in the UK.

Re: Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory
 

Re: Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory
 

So you're against children learning their parents religion.

Better stop all the Sunday Schools and church affiliated schools then.

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And we're going around in circles now

Re: Calls to make black, asian and minority ethnic history compulsory