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Damien 16-02-2022 13:41
Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60404077

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The Metropolitan Police is to investigate claims Prince Charles' charity offered honours help to a Saudi citizen.

The force said it is investigating alleged offences under the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925.

There have been no arrests or interviews under caution, the Met said.
Not a good week for the Royal Family :erm:

Sephiroth 16-02-2022 14:17
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From the 3 clause Act:

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(1)If any person accepts or obtains or agrees to accept or attempts to obtain from any person, for himself or for any other person, or for any purpose, any gift, money or valuable consideration as an inducement or reward for procuring or assisting or endeavouring to procure the grant of a dignity or title of honour to any person, or otherwise in connection with such a grant, he shall be guilty of a misdemeanour.
This suggests that Charlie would have committed a misdemeanour if he procured dosh for his charity in exchange for bestowing an honour.

Or was it one of his flunkies that did the procurement? Or is he not covered because he is capable of dishing out honours at his discretion, in theory?

Paul 16-02-2022 19:58
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Typical media sensationalism.

Nothing to do with Charlie really ...
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He is president of the foundation but is not involved with its governance, with the charity's trustees overseeing its day-to-day activities.
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The Met's decision to investigate follows its assessment of a letter it received last September relating to media reports that Prince Charles' former valet Michael Fawcett allegedly offered to help secure an honour for a Saudi citizen.

Maggy 16-02-2022 23:21
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36113571)
Typical media sensationalism.

Nothing to do with Charlie really ...
:tu:

Sephiroth 16-02-2022 23:31
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36113571)
Typical media sensationalism.

Nothing to do with Charlie really ...
Maybe, but he'll make a rubbish king. He has no cred whatsoever, unlike William.

Paul 17-02-2022 02:48
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
How does he have "no cred" ?

Maggy 17-02-2022 08:48
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36113607)
How does he have "no cred" ?
Exactly! Just more royal bashing for the sake of it.

papa smurf 17-02-2022 08:51
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
The Queen should strip him of all his titles let him go live with Andy.

ianch99 17-02-2022 09:45
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113598)
Maybe, but he'll make a rubbish king. He has no cred whatsoever, unlike William.
I totally agree with you. He, like Andrew has already done, will accelerate the end of the Monarchy as we currently see it. If the "Firm" had any judgement, they would insist that Charles sit this one out.

Sephiroth 17-02-2022 11:50
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36113608)
Exactly! Just more royal bashing for the sake of it.

Not at all. The man has an agenda and will likely not keep out of politics by pushing that agenda (ecology, architecture).

Also, unlike Queenie, Charlie does not come to the throne with clean hands.
He is indirectly responsible for Diana's death (he was cheating on her big time and famously told Camilla he wished he was a tampon). He is directly responsible for Harry's poor state of mind.

It's unfortunate that the younger generation hardly know the worst about him.

Anyway, his eyes are too close together.


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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113611)
I totally agree with you. He, like Andrew has already done, will accelerate the end of the Monarchy as we currently see it. If the "Firm" had any judgement, they would insist that Charles sit this one out.
:tu:

Maggy 17-02-2022 12:58
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113598)
Maybe, but he'll make a rubbish king. He has no cred whatsoever, unlike William.
What rubbish.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113611)
I totally agree with you. He, like Andrew has already done, will accelerate the end of the Monarchy as we currently see it. If the "Firm" had any judgement, they would insist that Charles sit this one out.
More rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113598)
Maybe, but he'll make a rubbish king. He has no cred whatsoever, unlike William.
Where do you think William has got his cred from.Who had a hand in educating him?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113619)

Not at all. The man has an agenda and will likely not keep out of politics by pushing that agenda (ecology, architecture).

Also, unlike Queenie, Charlie does not come to the throne with clean hands.
He is indirectly responsible for Diana's death (he was cheating on her big time and famously told Camilla he wished he was a tampon). He is directly responsible for Harry's poor state of mind.

It's unfortunate that the younger generation hardly know the worst about him.

Anyway, his eyes are too close together.


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:tu:
Good I hope he keep sup complaining about how resources aren't being directed to saving the planet. After all He's younger than David Attenborough?

Carth 17-02-2022 13:13
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I don't mind him, bit like his dad with a 'say what you see' attitude ;)

ianch99 17-02-2022 13:19
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36113624)
Good I hope he keep sup complaining about how resources aren't being directed to saving the planet. After all He's younger than David Attenborough?
Total rubbish.

https://www.joe.co.uk/environment/ro...p-pleas-297379

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One of the greatest royal Co2 offenders is Duchy Farm, which produces 1,726 tonnes of carbon a year, though measures are being taken to improve its sustainability.

Despite Charles' rallying cry for governmental action, he and Camilla are actually the worst offenders when it comes to travel-produced Co2, pumping out 432.3 tonnes over 22 trips in 2019. Of the 22 trips, 17 were by private jet, which generates up to 20 times more carbon dioxide per person than commercial airliners

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 14:39
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113598)
Maybe, but he'll make a rubbish king. He has no cred whatsoever, unlike William.
Yes, but the charity issue has nothing to do with it. He wasn’t personally involved, we are told.

So he will probably have to apologise on behalf of the charity, like Starmer had to apologise in his role of Director of Public Prosecutions and BJ on behalf of No 10.

Neat. :D

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113619)

Not at all. The man has an agenda and will likely not keep out of politics by pushing that agenda (ecology, architecture).

Also, unlike Queenie, Charlie does not come to the throne with clean hands.
He is indirectly responsible for Diana's death (he was cheating on her big time and famously told Camilla he wished he was a tampon). He is directly responsible for Harry's poor state of mind.

It's unfortunate that the younger generation hardly know the worst about him.

Anyway, his eyes are too close together.


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:tu:
Bloody hell, Seth, is that harsh or what? I hope you’ve never done anything in your life others might criticise you for.

I was a Diana fan back in the day, but I suspect she was very needy and manipulative on a personal level. Charles has always wanted Camilla - it was not right that he was practically forced into an arranged marriage.

Sephiroth 17-02-2022 14:45
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113650)
Yes, but the charity issue has nothing to do with it. He wasn’t personally involved, we are told.

So he will probably have to apologise on behalf of the charity, like Starmer had to apologise in his role of Director of Public Prosecutions and BJ on behalf of No 10.

Neat. :D

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Bloody hell, Seth, is that harsh or what? I hope you’ve never done anything in your life others might criticise you for.

I was a Diana fan back in the day, but I suspect she was very needy and manipulative on a personal level. Charles has always wanted Camilla - it was not right that he was practically forced into an arranged marriage.

Is what I said the truth, or what? As I said, his eyes are too close together.

Hugh 17-02-2022 14:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113650)
Yes, but the charity issue has nothing to do with it. He wasn’t personally involved, we are told.

So he will probably have to apologise on behalf of the charity, like Starmer had to apologise in his role of Director of Public Prosecutions and BJ on behalf of No 10.

Neat. :D

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Bloody hell, Seth, is that harsh or what? I hope you’ve never done anything in your life others might criticise you for.

I was a Diana fan back in the day, but I suspect she was very needy and manipulative on a personal level. Charles has always wanted Camilla - it was not right that he was practically forced into an arranged marriage.
Except that BJ was personally involved*… ;)

*[/i]birthday cake, cheese & wine, bottle of fizz…[/i]

TheDaddy 17-02-2022 15:42
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113611)
If the "Firm" had any judgement, they would insist that Charles sit this one out.
It doesn't work like that and if they were to suggest it then it would be time to abolish the whole rotten system imo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113619)

Also, unlike Queenie, Charlie does not come to the throne with clean hands.
He is indirectly responsible for Diana's death (he was cheating on her big time and famously told Camilla he wished he was a tampon).
Oh yes this is true, he famously forbade her from wearing a seat belt under any circumstances... :rolleyes:

Paul 17-02-2022 19:16
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113619)
He is indirectly responsible for Diana's death (he was cheating on her big time and famously told Camilla he wished he was a tampon). He is directly responsible for Harry's poor state of mind.
Whatever you are smoking seems to be directly affecting your mind. :erm:

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 19:49
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113652)

Is what I said the truth, or what? As I said, his eyes are too close together.
Well, I agree with that bit.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36113653)
Except that BJ was personally involved*… ;)

*[/i]birthday cake, cheese & wine, bottle of fizz…[/i]
Well, take Cummings at his word, why don’t you? ;)

Note to self:- I wonder if he believes his story about the trip to Durham Castle as well? :scratch:

Hugh 17-02-2022 19:56
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113697)
Well, I agree with that bit.

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Well, takeCummings at his word, why don’t you? ;)
Who mentioned Cummings? Not sure how he took this picture, since he’s in it…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1645123845

The cake was mentioned by a Johnson loyalist… ("ambush"…. <snigger>)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2000629.html

And the fizz was pictured in December 2020, a month after Cummings had left No. 10…https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1645124126

Hugh 17-02-2022 20:00
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113697)
Well, I agree with that bit.

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Well, take Cummings at his word, why don’t you? ;)

Note to self:- I wonder if he believes his story about the trip to Durham Castle as well? :scratch:
Well, you were quite happy with it at the time…

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36036975)
Not good news for those who take full advantage of the hedging and ditching season! :D

Seriously, these character assassination tactics are pathetic and I think his interview this afternoon has done him a lot of good with the public.

These vindictive reporters are doing themselves no favours, and frankly, this will show up the BBC to be anti-Conservatives for all to see. That will do their 'politically neutral' argument no good at all!

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 20:18
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36113699)
Who mentioned Cummings? Not sure how he took this picture, since he’s in it…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1645123845

The cake was mentioned by a Johnson loyalist… ("ambush"…. <snigger>)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2000629.html

And the fizz was pictured in December 2020, a month after Cummings had left No. 10…https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1645124126
I didn’t say he took the pictures. And cake or no cake, how do you know the purpose of this get-together? They may just have been discussing Conservative Party policy outside for all you know.

You cannot look at the picture and paint the worst possible scenario and then have that forming an unshakable opinion. You have to consider feasible alternatives if you want to be taken seriously.

ianch99 17-02-2022 20:18
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113660)
It doesn't work like that and if they were to suggest it then it would be time to abolish the whole rotten system imo
Of course, that is the only rational course of action but since the nation has been groomed for centuries to believe Monarchy is a "good thing", it will be a little while before this happens although they are doing a pretty good demolition job themselves at the moment. Long may that continue.

I mean, having someone who actually believes that she is appointed by God to rule over you and I and demands & expects deference when you are in her presence. I mean, really, it is a sick joke ..

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 20:21
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36113701)
Well, you were quite happy with it at the time…
Yes, but you were not, and you are happy enough to believe him this time. What’s changed?

GrimUpNorth 17-02-2022 20:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113708)
I didn’t say he took the pictures. And cake or no cake, how do you know the purpose of this get-together? They may just have been discussing Conservative Party policy outside for all you know.

You cannot look at the picture and paint the worst possible scenario and then have that forming an unshakable opinion. You have to consider feasible alternatives if you want to be taken seriously.
Right back at ya babe!!

Maggy 17-02-2022 21:15
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We seem to have gotten two threads mixed up.This is the Prince Charles charity thread. Please take the cummings and boris references to the the number 10 lockdown thread.

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 21:17
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113660)
It doesn't work like that and if they were to suggest it then it would be time to abolish the whole rotten system imo
:
…And replace it with what, exactly? A presidential system?

That would work….[not]

Maggy 17-02-2022 21:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113723)
…And replace it with what, exactly? A presidential system?

That would work….[not]
:tu:

OLD BOY 17-02-2022 21:24
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113538)

From the 3 clause Act:



This suggests that Charlie would have committed a misdemeanour if he procured dosh for his charity in exchange for bestowing an honour.

Or was it one of his flunkies that did the procurement? Or is he not covered because he is capable of dishing out honours at his discretion, in theory?
It was a flunky.

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I think what the anti-monarchists are missing is the ‘soft power’ that the system of royalty enables us to enjoy. Politicians come and go. The monarchy offers continuity, and the system is cheaper than a presidential system.

So while I’m not a fan of Prince Charles, unless he stands down, he should be allowed his time as king. Given his age, his reign will be comparatively short in any case.

TheDaddy 17-02-2022 22:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113723)
…And replace it with what, exactly? A presidential system?

That would work….[not]
Replace it with nothing, we don't need a President and we've neglected the commonwealth so long in favour of the EU that they no longer need us and with the monarchy gone the Lords and outdated class system/ old school tie can sod off with them

Damien 17-02-2022 23:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113729)
Replace it with nothing, we don't need a President and we've neglected the commonwealth so long in favour of the EU that they no longer need us and with the monarchy gone the Lords and outdated class system/ old school tie can sod off with them
I think we might need some sort of Head of State. The Prime Minister isn't one and the Monarch's role may be ceremonial but the actions she takes would need to be taken by someone.

Most likely scenario if we ever did get rid of the Monarchy is an elected ceremonial head of state as Ireland does.

Back to the thread generally, I don't see how this is 'nothing to do with Charles' as some have suggested. He may have nothing to do with it after the investigation is done but it's his charity and he is connected to the honours system. There is obviously something to be looked at there.

OLD BOY 18-02-2022 14:45
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113729)
Replace it with nothing, we don't need a President and we've neglected the commonwealth so long in favour of the EU that they no longer need us and with the monarchy gone the Lords and outdated class system/ old school tie can sod off with them
Very thoughtful…:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36113736)
I think we might need some sort of Head of State. The Prime Minister isn't one and the Monarch's role may be ceremonial but the actions she takes would need to be taken by someone.

Most likely scenario if we ever did get rid of the Monarchy is an elected ceremonial head of state as Ireland does.

Back to the thread generally, I don't see how this is 'nothing to do with Charles' as some have suggested. He may have nothing to do with it after the investigation is done but it's his charity and he is connected to the honours system. There is obviously something to be looked at there.
As I said, Prince Charles will have to apologise on behalf of the charity. I doubt very much that he would have been personally involved.

TheDaddy 18-02-2022 15:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113776)
Very thoughtful…:rolleyes:
More thoughtful than kowtowing and cap doffing, I bet you love all that stuff, knowing your place, never questioning their authority over you no matter how abhorrent their behaviour

Paul 18-02-2022 17:44
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113780)
More thoughtful than kowtowing and cap doffing
What century are you living in :rofl:

TheDaddy 18-02-2022 18:03
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36113796)
What century are you living in :rofl:
Exactly, what century are we living in where a class system and what school you go to matter more than ability and aptitude

OLD BOY 18-02-2022 18:07
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113780)
More thoughtful than kowtowing and cap doffing, I bet you love all that stuff, knowing your place, never questioning their authority over you no matter how abhorrent their behaviour
No, I am comparing systems, and antiquated though it may seem in the present day, it just works.

You’d have to bring in something pretty special to replace it. President Farage? Now there’s a thought! :D

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113798)
Exactly, what century are we living in where a class system and what school you go to matter more than ability and aptitude
Well, it’s the voter who decides who to vote for, not ‘the system’.

ianch99 18-02-2022 19:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113799)
No, I am comparing systems, and antiquated though it may seem in the present day, it just works
It works for those who benefit from it that is, the wealthy and privileged. Monarchy is a construct that belongs in the past. No-one is born to be a ruler of others. I am surprised that you cannot see this?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36113798)
Exactly, what century are we living in where a class system and what school you go to matter more than ability and aptitude
You have put your finger of the issue: the Monarchy is the keystone of the class system. Without it, the advantage through who you know, who you are born to and where you went to school/college would slowly dissipate.

The irony is that those who support the system are just shilling for the privileged & wealthy who literally do not know and do not care that they even exist.

OLD BOY 18-02-2022 21:42
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113811)
It works for those who benefit from it that is, the wealthy and privileged. Monarchy is a construct that belongs in the past. No-one is born to be a ruler of others. I am surprised that you cannot see this?.
Bloody hell, ianch, when we’re you ever get suppressed by the Royal Family?

You talk nonsense. The monarchy is benign as far as the general population is concerned, but it is very beneficial to us all in smoothing relations with countries who may have issues with the government of the day and is constitutionally responsible for our Armed Forces, who can be ordered to bring the government to heel if it exceeds its authority.

It is a delicate balance and we interfere with it at our peril.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113811)
You have put your finger of the issue: the Monarchy is the keystone of the class system. Without it, the advantage through who you know, who you are born to and where you went to school/college would slowly dissipate.

The irony is that those who support the system are just shilling for the privileged & wealthy who literally do not know and do not care that they even exist.
Every society has its upper, privileged tier. It was ever thus, even with Soviet Russia. It is the same with Communist China. It’s there because it works.

It tends to be those who fail to achieve who tend to revolt against the system. They would do better if they just tried harder. This is not Victorian times. Everyone has opportunity. At least in this country.

Be careful what you wish for.

Sephiroth 18-02-2022 21:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113843)
Bloody hell, ianch, when we’re you ever get suppressed by the Royal Family?

You talk nonsense. The monarchy is benign as far as the general population is concerned, but it is very beneficial to us all in smoothing relations with countries who may have issues with the government of the day and is constitutionally responsible for our Armed Forces, who can be ordered to bring the government to heel if it exceeds its authority.

It is a delicate balance and we interfere with it at our peril.

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Every society has its upper, privileged tier. It was ever thus, even with Soviet Russia. It is the same with Communist China. It’s there because it works.

It tends to be those who fail to achieve who tend to revolt against the system. They would do better if they just tried harder. This is not Victorian times. Everyone has opportunity.

I wish to retain the monarchy for constitutional reasons. The basis of our common law resides therein.

I will treat Charlie's reign as a dumbed down version of Boris in the sense that he'll spout off on his various obsessions. But the institution is valuable as OB has described.

ianch99 18-02-2022 23:07
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36113846)

I wish to retain the monarchy for constitutional reasons. The basis of our common law resides therein.

I will treat Charlie's reign as a dumbed down version of Boris in the sense that he'll spout off on his various obsessions. But the institution is valuable as OB has described.
It's value is subjective and is seen through a lens of historical conditioning. There is no objective merit in proposing a system where an individual is appointed by God to rule. The construct belongs to the past.

There is no "value" to the ordinary citizen, quite the opposite. The class system that the Monarch underwrites is the vehicle that actively limits the ability for people to progress on merit.

The Yanks saw through this charade 250 years ago but we still pretend ..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113843)
It tends to be those who fail to achieve who tend to revolt against the system. They would do better if they just tried harder. This is not Victorian times. Everyone has opportunity. At least in this country.

Be careful what you wish for.
Are you saying I have "failed to achieve"?

Hugh 19-02-2022 00:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36113843)
Bloody hell, ianch, when we’re you ever get suppressed by the Royal Family?

You talk nonsense. The monarchy is benign as far as the general population is concerned, but it is very beneficial to us all in smoothing relations with countries who may have issues with the government of the day and is constitutionally responsible for our Armed Forces, who can be ordered to bring the government to heel if it exceeds its authority.

It is a delicate balance and we interfere with it at our peril.

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Every society has its upper, privileged tier. It was ever thus, even with Soviet Russia. It is the same with Communist China. It’s there because it works.

It tends to be those who fail to achieve who tend to revolt against the system. They would do better if they just tried harder. This is not Victorian times. Everyone has opportunity. At least in this country.

Be careful what you wish for.
Yes, why can’t they do as well as someone whose parents could send them to private schools, then used connections to get them into Oxbridge/Durham/Exeter/Russell Group Unis, then the same connections/influence to launch/progress their careers - if only if they had tried harder, they could have had these parents… :rolleyes:

Paul 19-02-2022 00:25
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How about we get back to the subject.

Pierre 19-02-2022 19:16
Re: Police to investigate Prince Charles' charity over honours
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36113854)

The Yanks saw through this charade 250 years ago but we still pretend ..
You think there is no class system in the US?

Getting rid of the monarchy would not change anyones life in the U.K. for the better, and could possibly make some lives worse.

Don’t get me wrong the monarchy can, and should, be continuously scrutinised and reformed. I don’t know what the civil list is nowadays, or even if there is one, but lesser royals should only be renumerated based on the amount of civil duties they perform.


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