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It seems like time for a new thread and poll.

Please "vote" for the appropriate option when you have had yours.

(Please only vote once you have had it, not when it is booked).

Add a comment if you wish, I got mine in November (Pfizer).
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Got Pfizered last week. Sore upper arm for 3 days but no other ill effects. Two of my offspring are old enough for a 2nd/3rd dose this week, but appointments are getting hard to come by so I have to take them on different days, despite completing their bookings within 10 minutes of each other.

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Got mine a few weeks ago, Moderna and a sore arm for a few days.

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I had mine on Saturday, Pfizer. Sore arm for a couple of days. No other effects.

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Had Pfizer a few weeks back, sore arm for a day or so and that's it.

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Had my Moderna booster 26th November, felt under the weather for a day, then OK.

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Had my Pfizer booster 2 and a half weeks ago. Just had a sore shoulder, the following day was gym day so as per my usual sensibilities I went for a work out which made my arm hurt a hell of a lot more and stayed that way for about 4 days, all my fault of course.

Since then it’s all be fine.

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I had my booster last month (Fyser) and no side effects at all, not even a sore arm.

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We both had the Pfizer booster just under 2 weeks ago.

Apart from a sore arm there were no other side effects.

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I had the Moderna booster. Arm was really sore for a few days and felt a bit rough the day after for a day or so.

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Pfizer a couple of months ago, Pfizer for the first two also.

No effects on the first two, the booster only felt a little sore at the point of injection when I laid on it in bed that evening, nothing after that.

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Pfizer two weeks ago, like many here just a sore arm for 24 hours.

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I had Moderna (after Pfizer 1 and 2), sore arm for a few days not just the day after, otherwise fine.


I think a lot of the time the sore arm stuff is just down to the fact it's been injected, these guys are doing injections all the time, presumably some don't quite go in properly, etc etc...

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Not sure I'm buying that, practise makes perfect after all and if they're doing 100 injections a day and get a couple wrong it wouldn't mean every single person I know that's had it gets a sore arm which is what happened, in fact when I had mine if I hadn't got a sore arm I'd be wondering if the booster was going to be effective for me!

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A sore arm is a natural reaction to someone sticking a needle in it and injecting something.
Your body detects a possible issue, and your immune system reacts to it, muh like most things, people can react differently.

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I've had plenty of vaccinations, but nothing gives a sore arm quite like Covid. Well, apart from being thumped on the arm.

I have been hearing alot of ppl having problems from these things.....

Alot of ppl in the US are "Dying Suddenly"

I dont think ANYONE should take this!! (We dont really know whats in this)

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Vote possibly should have a 'no jab' option?

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And "Ivermectin" and "Hydroxychloroquine" options?

I think thats what OTHER is for,I picked that....

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or an "I'm paranoid" option.

This is a year old now, so how about .... no new options..

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There were some people who developped blood clots but in the grand scheeme of things this was a tiny percentage compared to the millions of people who gained protection form the vaccines.


The other thing to note when some people died was that they may have already been unwell or died of something else. It just happened to be at the same time that they had the vaccine.

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Seriously? I've been jabbed for all sorts of diseases since I was born in 1952 in Nigeria.I've never ever been adversely affected by any of them. I've had all the covid vaccinations I'm allowed and I'm fine.The real risk is from UNVACCINATED members of the population refusing to be vaccinated infecting those that shouldn't be vaccinated because of UNDERLYING health issues.

How about providing a link to this people are dying suddenly?Where did you read about it?

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I followed Dr John Campbell on youtube for a lot of the pandemic and ardently backed the vaccine for most of it but now I will not have the booster as evidence of risks in doing so have become more publicised and documented. So the fact this post is a year old a lot more information has been released since and the vaccines themselves have changed to cover new variants

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Got any links?

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John Campbell has a big youtube channel with loads of videos. There were also reports in scientific magazines my Dad gets although he still had the boosters.

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For those who don’t know who John Campbell is…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

*note - not a medical doctor, or a virologist, or an epidemiologist, who believes that Ivermectin prevents COVID

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as I said my choice came from more than just him anyway. If you actually read your quoted link you will see "I followed Dr John Campbell on youtube for a lot of the pandemic and ardently backed the vaccine for most of it but now I will not have the booster as evidence of risks in doing so have become more publicised and documented"

Then when Maggy asked for links I said "John Campbell has a big youtube channel with loads of videos. There were also reports in scientific magazines my Dad gets although he still had the boosters."

So if you bothered to read and digest you would see the information that made me change my view came from legit scientific magazines

Yes you are right in this case but please using Wiki? I could edit that page to say whatever I want it to

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and it would get fixed, as you well know.
Thats a poor defence (and what exactly is incorrect in it, according to you ?).

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The rest of my post was my defence anyway Paul.
I followed Doctor John Campbell and was an ardent support of the vaccination as I said. As time when by more information come out and I have not had the vaccination so if you bothered to digest what I actually wrote it seems clear my mind was changed despite Johns info not because of it which I also implied in my reply to Maggy.

And my reply to you is just as valid as time has passed since this thread was created and things change Paul

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Andrew Bridgen has lost the tory whip for tweeting the vaccines are the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust, plank

What's he a doctor of?

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It's just been on the BBC news that the MP Andrew Bridgen has been suspended by the Conservative Party for comparing the Covid vaccine programme to the holocaust. Not sure which constituency he represents. He is currently suspended fir 5 days due to something to do with not properly declaring his financial interests.

Edit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-64236687.amp

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He has a PhD in nursing for his work on developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos.

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Democracy's all very well bit you'd think standing for parliament you'd have to have some basic IQ level.
Seems to be a lot of morons on that wing of the Tory party.

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I had the initial two Jabs and booster, because I needed them to play Golf in Spain. My two kids, both under 16 have not been vaccinated.

I won't be having any more unless it affects my travel plans, but I don't think it will as everybody seems to binned that requirement.

I think there is certainly a need to for a proper review, there does seem to be a possible link to myocarditis in some people but whether that's from the vaccine or from the virus has not been determined.

Personally, I think it was a mistake to vaccinate anyone under 50 that had no other underlying health issues.

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Just the gift of the gab is all that matters to get elected.

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This article has a lot of info and links refuting the "vaccines are more harmful than Covid" premise: https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/people...231015801.html

For example:

The irony is that misinformation about the risk of vaccines will actually cause more deaths

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It's very important you read the studies cited in the article and not the article narrative itself.

From the study cited:



All of the conclusions by the way are based on estimated data.

The bottom line is, that no one really knows yet and it will probably be years before we do.

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Yes, there may well be corner cases where caution is needed before deciding to get vaccinated but the danger is that the focus on corner cases to the detriment of all others is to dangerously misinform. In the modern world, so many read click bait, one line headlines and conclude that what is best for them, the headline "Vaccines more dangerous than Covid" will mislead many.

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There is a link to myocarditis in the under the 30s according to the yellow card reporting system but at the moment it's still statistically under the risk of developing it from the virus itself.

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Some recent info on the GOV.UK site, giving some context re myocarditis.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-professionals

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I know personally two people that had strokes with in 3 days of jabs, neither fit the " normal" stats for high risk . So no thanks to any more

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CDC in the US have released information that there is a possible link with Pfizer Vaccine and stroke in those over 65. Possible not definite before anyone jumps on me

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-boosters.html

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I know several people, inc me, who won on the lottery within 3 days of jabs. ;)

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I've had everything on offer for 70 years.I'm still here.;)

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Not as many years in as you, but I'm in the same school of thinking. Given a choice I'll take my chances with the vaccine over the virus all day long. I know it's not a cure but if it lessens the effects then sign me up. Also, a couple of in-laws were very well respected GP's before retiring and I'll listen to their opinions before some stranger on Facebook or wherever they choose hold court.

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I'm supposed to be in the "at risk" category and have heard nothing from my doctors either. I have been in hospital twice for surgery since Covid appeared to.

I have had no vaccination at all, nothing, zip and nada. Have never had covid ever as far as I know. My flatmate has to self test weekly as she works with children. To be fair though I only have contact with her and my carers.

I decided not to have any vaccinations at all when this all started as I have enough drugs swimming in my bloodstream as it is. Maybe I will have to eat my words one day but I am not convinced the vaccinations work. I know two people who have had all the jabs and boosters and they both caught it.

I personally believe its another one of these things that have been blown out of all proportion (Unless you have an underlying respiratory condition perhaps). It will all come out in the wash one day i'm sure !

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The Vaccine doesn't stop you getting it but it makes you less Ill if you do.

If it wasn't for the vaccines in late 2021 my father would be dead now.... I'll take my chances and get vaccinated so I've had my booster along with the Flu Vaccine seeing I'm over 50 so I won't read anything that comes from Tom Dick or Harry off social media.

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Yes, the 212,000 dead so far in this country were just being drama queens.

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Thats a fundemental misunderstanding of what vaccines do.
Are those two people still alive ? If so, there is a good sign they worked.
As has been said many times, vaccines do not make you immune, they make your body much better prepared to fight the virus if/when you get it.

Dont believe those numbers.... They were inflated majorly from the start to help thier agenda!!

We are so happy Maggy :)

Im glad you can see thru all this!!

God bless you.......

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What is their agenda and how come you know all about it and no one else does

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Thank you, Marjorie Taylor Greene…

What next - Jewish Space Lasers?

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So unbelievably insulting to people who lost someone. You should be ashamed.

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Tbf it's true that the "deaths within 28 days of a positive test" metric - whilst entirely consistent and quantitative to measure - quite possibly wasn't ever going to be entirely accurate when determining deaths due to having the virus.


For example, someone could equally have died within 28 days of a positive test, but had minimal or no symptoms and tested negative after a couple of days, recovered perfectly and then died of another reason within the 28 days, which would count on the figure. Likewise, someone who had tested positive but died of the effects of contracting the virus more than 28 days after contracting it, would equally not count.



None of that also counts people who died due to the effects of the covid response, such as mental health issues of lockdowns, losing loved ones, isolation due to not being able to do their usual pre-pandemic activities because they were (potentially arbitrarily) deemed unsafe, or losing their careers, livelihood or business because of the restrictions, yet not having covid itself.


The figures weren't too good an idea really, in the sense that it instilled and maintained the sense of fear of the virus which was more damaging than the response. Most of the deaths, whilst all equally sad to those concerned and those around them, were definitely amongst those who were elderly and/or had underlying health conditions because it was in those the virus could progress to something more serious. You could see this from when vaccinations started how the cases and deaths dropped (as much due to restrictions as vaccinations) but when the cases went up again due to delta (which wasn't milder) and then omicron (which was) the deaths did not as much, meaning restrictions weren't generally needed any more. And there were other ways to work after the initial panic had subsided without restrictions too (such as specific advice to people with symptoms to isolate - close contacts without symptoms was overkill really - and for those at risk to consider their activities and interactions to see if it was worth the risk).



There were, of course, reasons why behavioural scientists were engaged to help with the messaging of the covid response.

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As one has since died , guess they lost on that lottery and yes it's on the death certificate as complications after COVID jab be a factor , partner was told they was pressure to leave jab off , doctor refused , knew her well , no history of stokes or any associated problems.

Thats very sad....Im so sorry :(

Most people are in denial that this is killing people and its sad......

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I met my first anti vaccine person in the wild this weekend. The wife and I were walking up the steps to our local and there’s a defibrillator by the entrance. This chap asked how long it had been there (about three months) and said it was there because of COVID vaccines giving people heart attacks.

I just said ‘no’ while the wife launched into one at him! He tried citing Aseem Malhotra as a reliable source of information and I just laughed…

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The essential question is this:

I think most rational people know the answer to this. For those that do not, there is tremendous scope for people to make money and make a platform for their own ego/narcissism/etc.

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This surely isn't as clear cut though - or the same for everyone.


The covid vaccinations do come with risks and side effects, this is common knowledge, some of them are detailed in the leaflet they give out, some of them have been reported on and known to be true, indeed they stopped giving out AZ to younger people because the risk of blood clotting was worse than the risk of getting covid and they had other vaccines. And there is a link with the mRNA vaccines and myocarditis.


Usually with younger people, unless they have any underlying conditions which might push them higher up the vaccination queue, the risk of covid infection is low, so they will get it but usually not seriously and recover after a few days with no ill effects. Vaccination doesn't prevent illness and simply gives the immune system a head start so this is just preventing illness which is more severe which this age group is unlikely to be massively affected by. So if the illness is the same whether vaccinated or not how much use is the vaccine and what is it preventing? It's there where you introduce side effects. If you're otherwise healthy and the vaccine is unlikely to change the course of a covid illness but the reaction to the vaccine might give you a heart condition then what's worse? I don't necessarily agree with it but that's where the crux of the argument comes from.


Clearly in older people and those with conditions getting a severe covid infection would cause issues the argument is much clearer.


And all the omicron strains seem to have immune escape (indeed some from each other) so even people with the BA.1 vaccine can still get whatever's coming round...

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It is only a [serious] argument if you can provide authoritative, peer reviewed evidence that shows, beyond reasonable doubt, that Covid is less dangerous than the vaccine for the age/risk group you are focussing on. I see no evidence seriously being debated & concluded in the public domain.

Don't forget, repeat serious infection from Covid, infections that are mitigated by vaccines, risk Long Covid which can include long term degradation of your immune system with all the consequences that entails.

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This paper - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 is our friend here. It looks at the relative risks of the various vaccines and SARS-COV-2 infections. For the over 40s, the risk of myocarditis is higher with infection vs. vaccines. For under 40s, there is a higher risk with the Moderna vaccine than with infection.

Note that this is for myocarditis which is often mild. For pericarditis and arrhythmias, there seems to be no significant risk with vaccinations but there is for infection. Pericarditis and in particular arrhythmias tend to be more dangerous than myocarditis.

This paper looked at risks of heart issues only. COVID has many more risky symptoms than just heart issues.

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But researching something and publishing it takes time to build up the evidence, get enough examples and stuff for it to be done, then write it all up - peer reviewing means after it's published then other research groups studying similar examine it and see if there are other findings or not.


This process usually takes a lot longer than we have had covid vaccines as science generally doesn't move that quickly. In some cases such as the longer side effects of either vaccination or infection the evidence isn't even there yet. It can take years for an article to be published in a journal and then even longer for peer review of this research to take place. We have had covid vaccines for little over two years.


As for discussing it in an open forum - well, they keep to their journals. Popping things on twitter doesn't really count, a lot of the time this stuff is echo chamber or abuse where if anyone suggests the vaccines might be bad they get jumped on by multiple accounts abusing them, calling them an anti-vaxxer, or a covidiot, or something else even if they actually have evidence. And you get the other side too where people encouraging the vaccine uptake get abused. We see the same on even places like this when there's a spike and the usual people want to start everyone wearing masks again or social distancing and there's others saying why because it doesn't really stop anything... when you're on about views not facts it is important to respect others. Even some people on SM have been banned for "spreading misinformation" when they simply are questioning the official line... That environment isn't conducive to sensible debate.


And we don't know how severe the link is or how the link is going to work long term with vaccines and any side effects, whether these are milder than covid or not...

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Not quite sure what your point is here :( If you are going to question the "official line", it should be based on a rational, evidence-based position. If not, what is your argument except just opinion?

Going back to Jon's post, he mentions that there is a concern regards the Moderna vaccine and younger age groups which is why, I believe, these people, at least in the UK, are given Pfizer as a precaution (although I'm not 100% on this).

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What journals take years to review a paper? The paper I linked to up there was submitted in October 2021 and accepted in November 2021. Peer review can take time but in an emergency, reviewers will bump up the reviews in their ‘to do’ list. I have a few papers to my name and longest to get published took about three months as a reviewer really didn’t like one of our conclusions.

The case of COVID vaccine approval has frustrated the pharmaceutical industry somewhat. Once a potential drug is patented, the clock is ticking to make some money from that drug before the patent expires. Generally, the patent process is started before clinical trials start so drug companies want to run through these as quickly as possible and get approval to start making some money. Modern drugs can cost up to $2bn to bring to market so the longer you have sole rights to make and sell a drug, the better. The COVID vaccine case showed what could be done to accelerate drug approvals. The safety trials went first but phase II and III trials ran almost concurrently. The trials were performed normally but the gaps between trials were hugely reduced. It wasn’t a lack in the stringency of the trials which sped things up, it was the efficiency of the process.

I did look up the safety trial for the Pfizer vaccine and it looked like it ran for 17 weeks in total. This was purely the safety trial. Of course, safety was still looked at through the phase II and III trials and continues to be looked at through post marketing surveillance. I then checked another modern vaccine - Gardasil for HPV. With that vaccine, safety trials ran for 14 days!