EU Speed Limiters
 

All new cars will have a mandatory speed limiter from July 2022.

New European legislation will indeed force manufacturers to integrate a speed limit control system.

https://www.diglogs.com/france/all-n...o-more-excess/

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Second hand car prices to rise even further?

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A bit pointless condisering this.

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Will be interesting to see if this is carried over to the UK or not.

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Depends if the UK Government can supplement the loss of earnings through redundant speed traps by something else ;)

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i wouldn't buy a car with it fitted.

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A thriving market in hacked boxes beckons.

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That would invalidate your car insurance, surely?

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Why hack it when you can (apparently) turn it off?

Good point though, and some will be daft enough to purchase them ;)

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It's the same as some of the other features - my car has lane assist that's on every time I start the car, but I can turn it off and on after that.

The braking safety features I can't turn off.

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Yep, most 'driver assist/safety features' are turned off in ours.

The low tyre pressure warning came on last week . . . a massive 1psi low on one wheel . . . that cost me a quid to pump up :rolleyes:
MOT failure if that's turned off though I think

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It’s dangerous, there may be times when you need a burst of speed to get you out of trouble.

Also Ferrari, Lamborghini etc will go out of business.

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That one on mine is the more basic version that bases the tyre pressure of maths rather than having the monitors in the wheel. Not sure what it counts as too low pressure as they were well below the recommended pressures the other day (due to normal activity) and it didn't go off.
Which is why I assume it says "If the driver does not decelerate, the system will reduce the power available and make it more difficult to use the pedal." i.e. you can still do the burst of speed, but it's the sustained excess speed you can't do.

As for high performance cars, if it's based on cameras and gps, then I'd expect it turns itself off on tracks and other private locations where there isn't a limit.

On the public roads those cars would be subject to the same speed limits as everyone else.

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My car uses this to display the current limit (on the sat nav)
I've noticed it be incorrect on the odd times I use the sat nav, so it doesnt inspire much confidence. I would think you could also just block the camera.

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Mine has both too and will flip from what is a temporary limit or the last one it saw, to the one that's supposed to be in the sat nav.

Sounds like they're aiming for something similar for all cars so I'd hope they do some serious testing to make sure the consistency gets better.

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It's probably your speedometer that's calibrated slightly under rather than the sat nav imo

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There's always some knob trying to stop you from having a wee bit of fun.:p:

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I heard about it on French radio yesterday. Many French "experts" are against the idea, as it would be confused by "incorrect signage".

"If cars were still driving too fast past my cottage, all I would have to do was to put up a homemade sign marked "20" and they would brake rapidly". Total loon.

The "safety expert" just rattled on about drivers being distracted from the road, by having to check for speed limit signs and their speedo.

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Or as we call it, "driving"….

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What next from the loony EU bureaucrats, bananas that have abnormal curvature. ;)

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Rumour has it, they've done a deal with Volkswagen to supply the data on their new 'carbon neutral' coal mines ;)

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No way....:shocked:

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Well Audi, BMW and Mercedes are always in lane 3/4 driving above the speed limit, no lights or indication.

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You sure about that? Most modern-day cars have lights which are on all the time.

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German cars have no indicators or speedometer.

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My car has an automatic speed limiter, but it's positively dangerous. I normally keep it switched off, but unknown to me it had been switched back on after the last service.

I was driving along this road at 40ish in moderately heavy traffic, when it suddenly slammed the brakes on...

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3932...7i16384!8i8192

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My car just has a warning system - a flashing car shows on the dashboard if it thinks you are to close (inside the braking distance for the speed), then gives out a piercing note if you get too close.

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My older cars had that . . . well, to be honest it was a piercing shriek from the passenger seat :D

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Similar for my Skoda. The only time I've had the brakes come on by themselves is if it thinks I'm going to hit something.

Though as it's got triggered by a car in a side street moving towards the main road, it can be over active.

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Hitchhikers get nervous with my driving as well…

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Mine is a Skoda as well (Kodiaq)

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Not sure why you think that, it has no connection with the speed Im actually doing. It simply displays what it thinks is the limit.

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Radar cruise control & hazard avoidance/automatic braking on both cars.

Nothing on the bikes :D

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I think he said that as cars' speedometers tend to show a very slightly faster speed than the one you're driving whereas satnavs advise the actual speed you're driving.

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What we're talking about though is the speed limit sign, not the speed the car is doing.

So for instance Google Maps or built in sat nav may say it's a 70 limit on the motorway but due to roadworks it's actually a 50 or 60 which the camera will recognise and show.

Once this new system comes in it'll use that expected speed limit to then trigger the warning and power reduction.

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What????

Not even a gyroscope type thing that would tell an experienced rider if he's leaning at the correct angle for maneuvering round a bend, at 52MPH . . in the rain . . with a 12 knot side wind

Gosh :D

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Not even ABS or TC ;)

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Rain sensing automatic wipers for the headlight(s)?
Tyre pressure monitors?
Auto adjusting anti-glare and self retracting wing mirrors (if fitted)?
A button that places the bike on it's stand when you get off?
Not even a double lock safety cover on the NOS switch?

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Nope, just 1043cc and 142hp @ 10,000 RPM of fun and games

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I think you're talking about something completely different to me.
This has nothing to do with the speed I'm doing, its a display of what [it thinks is] the speed limit on the road I'm using.
So if I'm on a motorway, it will display 70, regardless of whether I'm doing 50, or 100.

(and there is a prime example of the issue - it instantly fails on Smart Motorways, as it cant detect the current "smart" limit).

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Aah so it's using the metadata from the GPS to display the speed, rather than cars equipped with cameras to read traffic signs? That would be annoying on 'smart motorways' or where they've put temp speed limits in on other roads

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It has a camera, but the camera cannot detect the overhead smart motorway signs.

I dont know about temp limits, Ive never really noticed.
If they have proper signs, at roughly the right height, it may notice them.

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My Skoda Kamiq picks up the motorway signs on the camera as far I recall but I'm always driving to my own recognition of them so I don't immediately remember where it hasn't.

Mistmatches I have seen are are on slower speed roads where I've had more variation.

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My car (2016 Mondeo) has a system to read speed limit signs. The TomTom SatNav (5200) can know about road speed limits including reduced for road works and for average speed zones will display my average speed. Neither are 100% accurate though, the former can read the wrong sign sometimes or if joining from lay-by or some side roads where there isn't a sign assumes speed from map data (map is very out of date on in car system). The latter relies on a mobile signal and have up to date information being transmitted but does get it right most of the time.


Here is a question though, you are driving along nicely at the limit but some buffoon in an older car is tail gating you quite merrily. You car "detects" a new lower limit and slows down... Will it detect said buffoon and slow appropriately, will you have time to override to slow appropriately?


Another - I've seen some situations with a lower limit sign but notice that only applies during certain times or situations or when lights are flashing.


I think there are just too many variables and while some system to warn of speed (like what my car does) seems sensible to have that system exert control of the car simply based on correct reading of road signs or GPS data is far less so. My TomTom includes lifetime map updates and has mobile chip to get new information on traffic etc, my car doesn't and I don't want and can't afford to have to buy new maps all the time. Who pays for that infrastructure? Oh we will of course.

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I vaguely remember from the highway code that the driver should be in full control of the vehicle at all times, and I think this point cropped up a few times regarding the 'self driving car' . . Tesla I believe?

How far are we prepared to go in letting a computer chip and camera make driving decisions?

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Tesla doesn't have fully autonomous mode available to the general public as yet, drivers are still required to be in full control of the vehicle.

Personally, the sooner we get to a fully autonomous driving state the better, it potentially allows for those with mobility issues or visual impairment who can't currently drive to be able to experience the same freedoms as able bodied drivers currently do.

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It's going to be a long long time until cars have the 'technology' advanced to the stage where a 'driver' can input a destination and sit back while the car does everything . . safely, at the right price, and with complete trust in it.

That time will probably arrive, as it did with the radio, televisions, the aeroplane, space flight etc, but there's a long way to go yet.

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Technologically it's not that far away perhaps in the next 5-10 yrs tops, perhaps even quicker.

The delay is going to come from regulation and public acceptance.

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All new cars in the EU that this will apply to are also mobile network connected as they have eCall.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...l/index_en.htm

My car receives maps and other updates over this mobile connection via a data service configured by Skoda, but some of those features require a paid subscription. eCall is not one of those paid features, so it will be a question as to how this speed limit system keeps up to date.

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With all the 'extra' gadgets fitted to cars nowadays, isn't it time they also added front & rear 'dashcams' as standard?

At least it would be something that's useful and always used* rather than turned off at the earliest opportunity.






* unless you're doing something illegal

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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...speed-limiters

Things are moving in that direction.

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~ autonomous emergency braking . . already got it.
~ lane keep assist . . already got it.
~ a driver fatigue detection system . . already got it (a warning after a lengthy driving time)
~ reversing sensors or cameras . . already got both. (and forward facing too)

still have to purchase 3rd party dash cams though ;)

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I have some of those. Imagine trying to fit to classic cars though. Or many of the older vehicles on the road.

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Yup, my old 2013 M class had all of those, the driver fatigue system was particularly annoying (but very good at doing it's job) driving home from Manchester airport at 5am with the buzzer going and the alert on the dash because it detected erratic steering inputs.

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No other advance in systems has ever been made a retrofit requirement on older vehicles in the UK so I can't see that happening now. Normally the natural attrition of older vehicles means that after a while most cars have the up-to-date systems.

There ia also the "loophole" that vehicles can be built in the UK by the owner to their own requirements or as a kit and so long as they meet conditions and use legislation, an inspection and pass an MOT can be legally driven on the highway and I'm sure most such home builds would not include limiters ar any thing else not essential to the plot.