Has the 'Peppa Pig' Prime Minister lost the plot or is this just a hiccup?
 

The papers are full of Johnson's rambling CBI speech. "A pork pie short of a picnic" - Daily Star. Is he overdoing it? Is he not cut out for the job? Or is he just human and this was a one-off bad performance? I would be in interested to hear what you think.

BBC News - Is everything OK for Boris Johnson?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59382105
Sky News: https://news.sky.com/liveblog-webvie...754?inApp=true

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Perhaps we're just all finally sick of his act

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Does his Sleepy Joe impersonation make him Sleepy BoJo?

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He's looking very rough these days and his performance yesterday makes me think he may be a functioning alcoholic. He did say he was giving up alcohol back in August but recent performances like yesterday and at COP26 do give the impression that he might be on the sauce.

This isn't a judgement on Boris Johnson by the way. Alcoholism is a disease that can affect anyone and deserves compassion and help.

I wouldn't be surprised if a leave of absence might be on the cards soon for 'exhaustion'

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The cynic in me doesn’t think he’s any worse than he’s always been, however the BBC, Sky and other sections of the press are no longer willing to participate in the charade that he’s a credible world leader.

The cultures are circling, it’s not worth his while being PM anyway hence his reliance upon free holidays so I suspect a transition is a certainty in 2022/23.

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He's got all the sheeple talking about pepper pig rather than the cost of social care.

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Some of us can follow two threads of political discourse. ;)

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Baa

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Humbug?

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The presenter on LBC said something interesting last. He was previously Theresa May's speech writer, so has a lot of experience of No 10. He said that at the time Johnson became prime minister, he was talking to someone at No 10. That person said that Boris probably wanted to have been Prime Minister without all the effort involved actually being Prime Minister.

In short, he wanted it on his record that he had been Prime Minister. Presumably because that opens up potentially a lot of lucrative avenues.

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Of course it does.

He can go on the lecture circuit wit the likes of Blair, Brown, Cameron take on a few advisory positions and non-exec roles.

He'll earn a fortune.

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Yep, and the people lining up to pay to watch will probably be the very ones slagging him off now :rofl:

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Not if he speaks like that shocker yesterday

What is it with Tory PM's and pigs? ;)

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Well, they’ll still be paying him for his contacts and influence over the next Tory Government. Whether he’s an incompetent buffoon or otherwise, he will still have friends in high places.

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His reputation for easy-going whimsy and bluster is not without basis, however he seems to have become captured by his own legend and now thinks that whatever comes out of his mouth will always be disarming, enamouring, desperately interesting or whatever else he needs it to be in the moment. The problem is, if you speak without notes and without preparation, all you can say is what comes to mind, and if you’re already exhausted and under intense pressure what comes off the top of your head is liable to be of limited value. Add to that, a lot of people are tiring of the act, and the results aren’t pretty.

The Paterson affair already made it clear there’s a significant chance Boris won’t lead the party into the next election. The Peppa Pig affair has, I think, now updated that chance to “substantial”.

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If I were him I wouldnt want to.

No one praises prime ministers, its all pressure, constant attacks, and no thanks.
It really seems like its getting to him now. To me, it would be "no thanks" let someone else do it.

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Maybe just me, but I think if he stepped down today, just walked away and left an empty chair, there wouldn't be many willing to sit in it . . . at least not until some other poor sod had sorted out (fat chance) all of the current issues we're seeing with Covid, the NHS, Immigrants, blah blah . .

Having said that, there are probably still a few nutcases out there that think they have the answers . . and the backing ;)

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:Yikes:

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Of the few thing's worse then boris the buffoon would be John redwood, I think the idea of being prime minister and the reality are getting to buffoon and he's not cut out for it. He won't be the prime minister come the next election campaign and he will be happy about it.

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The Tory’s always destroy from within. As soon as one leader is in place they immediately start to look for their successor and to start to undermine them.

I still don’t see anyone in the party that has Boris’ universal appeal. He was, probably still is, the only Eton toff that the red wall actually like.

That may have changed recently, but I certainly don’t see anyone in the Tory party that also command that. So unless he completely melts down, I don’t see him going anywhere.

Javid, Raab, Kwarteng, Zahawi, Shapps and Gove - not a chance…..ever.

Patel? I like, but unlikely - still has time

Liz Truss, I also like.

Sunak, probably, almost certainly, but not yet.

I don’t see any option than for Boris to take them into the next GE.

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I think Gove is underrated as a candidate. He seems pretty level headed and competent so he may provide a good contrast to Johnson. I think there are a few candidates that styled themselves as the Tory warriors in a culture war and that doesn't lend itself well to the position of PM.

Sunak is the one people keep mentioning but that's because he was paying loads of people's wages for nearly two years. His popularity will decline as that becomes history and tax raises are met with the infrastructure cuts his Government are pushing at the same time. The tax rise has already made it a bit more difficult for him amongst the Tory base.

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Not sure he would like to give up the sweet sidelines he's got going on though;

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The problem for the next Tory leader is it'll be more challenging to hide behind nationalism and using the EU bogey man to cultivate votes.

At some point someone has to deliver a solution to Article 16 and deliver on the "levelling up" agenda.

Also at some point - who knows when - they need to bring people who campaigned to remain back into the fold and become more than a party of hubris. Half the country didn't vote for Brexit and it'd be foolish to assume that only politicians from the half that did have solutions for the problems of the mid-late 2020s.

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Seems that the good people of Wokingham have a part-time MP. Maybe they should ask for some of their money back? ;)

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Think how happy they would be if he did the job full time for his full time wage.

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Spot on

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Nothing snide about pointing out someone being paid for a full time job and only doing it part time. Just show the contempt he holds for his constituents. 50 hours a month is getting on for 25% of his time. Disgraceful.

Shows that you could put a blue rosette on a hat stand and it would get in, in some parts of the country ..

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Gove is an intellectual and political heavyweight. But I fear he's been too involved in Brexit so would be less credible when setting out an agenda to solve its problems.

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That's an easy one. Ditch the 'deal'. The disadvantages seem to be outweighing the advantages.

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And yet, the strange thing is, whenever I have written to him, and whenever anyone I know contacts him, he responds very quickly and raises issues in the House as well. Strange, that.

Some people are good at multi-tasking and selecting a good team to assist.

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Probably has an excellent secretary..with all that extra dosh.

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probably on minimum wage.

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The thing I take most from Deadwood, Cox and the rest of their ilk is that being an MP isn't a real job and that's pretty sad really, I mean how can it be a real job and you serve your constituents interests when you can jet of for weeks on end or devote a quarter of your time to other peoples interests

Gove should be the poster boy for the Conservative party considering his upbringing, the fact he isn't says more about his character than the party

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You are spot on. You & I would not be able to do this in our jobs so why the special treatment for them? Imagine if a prospective MP stood up at a hustings and said "if you vote for me, I will dedicate a full 75% of my time to this constituency" :)

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Just think how good he would be if he did his job full time.

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He hates conservatives, and cant see past that.

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Do you think MP's should work full-time or part-time when they are elected? It's a simple question

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Sorry, two Conservative supporting constituents think it is ok for a Conservative MP to work part time is validation? I think not ..

Answer this question please: if he was in any other job, would he be allowed to work part-time when he was recruited as a full time employee?

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MP's are not full time employees.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque..._of_employment

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You won, get over it. Let's not dwell in the past, eh? The name calling is beneath you. Let's focus instead on the train wreck this country is fast becoming. You seem content to accept what the Tories are doing to this country and the direction they are taking it, I am not. It is a simple decision to make.

You hide behind the "fundamentals of British democracy" when this Government is literally, as we speak, dismantling it.

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I never said he was.

Let me ask you this question, the one that people are struggling to answer:

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Its also an irrelevant question.

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To you maybe but to many, very relevant:

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-...pends-what-job