Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered
 

Reports emerging of Sir David Amess has been stabbed multiple times at a constituency surgery in Essex.

https://news.sky.com/story/conservat...rgery-12434498

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Terrible news - I believe they’ve caught the assailant.

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I think something will have to be done about constituency surgeries now. Horrible this has happened again after Jo Cox.

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Fundamentally toxic political discourse needs reigned in. People can disagree without being traitors or the enemy. Yet the media whips everyone up into a frenzy - see the headlines around face to face GP appointments - and act surprised when someone cracks.

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It doesn't help when an MP refers to political rivals as ****.

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Seriously ????? How low can you go to try and score points. As if those comments had anything to do with whats taken place.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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It is being reported that the police have arrested the knifeman.

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Air Ambulance has left the scene but it's currently known if Sir David Amess is onboard.

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they certainly didn't promote peace and harmony.



he has died.

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BREAKING: Sir David Amess has died. R.I.P

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Very sad and terrible day.

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LATEST from Essex Police:

A dark day for democracy.

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No he shouldn't, because it's part of the same banquet. As JFman correctly points out

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A white maile Tory is murdered. I wonder if he'll get a candlelight vigil?

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This is the second time in 5 years. It's really got to change.

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What's the solution? Screen constituents for knives?

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Or put the mp behind a screen...

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Police guard for every MP. Especially when they're doing public events.

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Given how recently “Tory scum” was making headlines - having been uttered, and doubled-down upon, by a senior opposition politician - I find it impossible to understand your willingness to dismiss it out of hand so quickly.

Police have the killer in custody and they will be attempting to establish a motive. I feel certain they won’t be so quick to dismiss political violence as a possible explanation.

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BREAKING: Sir Lindsay Hoyle, Speaker of the House of Commons says: “In the coming days we will need to discuss and examine MPs’ security and any measures to be taken."

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Armed police outside the church now.

Pity they were not there before, they could have stopped the idiot before he killed the MP.

(Yes, shot him if necessary).

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He's just been murdered, and some individuals are trying to point score/make sarcastic comments against other political parties, or, against race/sexuality.

You know & I know what the motive is for these comments here, let's not pretend otherwise.

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Hang the murderers.

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No.10 Flags flying at half mast. Prime Minister Boris Johnson statement expected imminently.

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Well until we know the motive I suggest we all show respect for others beliefs and opinions.Supposition will get us nowhere. Until we know what was going through the mind of the assailant which may not even be politically motivated I think we should temper our language.

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hopefully they can catch one that done it very soon and they get what they deserve

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They already have them in custody.

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good just seen the news that he died

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Counter terrorist police are taking over the investigation. Suggests it is politically motivated rather than a mental illness.

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The murderer died as well?

RIP Sir David

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Seen this online, and totally agree.

It obviously hold for members any political party.

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no meant David Amess dying

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It’d be interesting to know if it actually happened or whether it’s an obvious deflection to the “other side”. Ironically, this is divisive rhetoric we could do without.

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BREAKING: Mark White of GBNews just announced it is believed the 25 year old arrested on suspicion of murder, is believed to be of Somalian origin and motivation of Terrorism still has not been ruled out.

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More likely to have been radicalised by Abu Hamza than Angela Rayner.

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Where was that then?

And the comments about Language used by Rayner are absolutely relevant in this debate.

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Might have been when someone posted

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We should wait to see more details on the killer.

But more generally I think how we talk about politicians and each other matters. When people are called traitors, ****, evil and so on it dehumanises them and it makes the tone of discussion angrier, language matters. You throw enough fuel on the fire then violence can happen.

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:tu:

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Fair enough, I did make that statement…….obviously sarcastically…….( no mention of sexuality).

But it’s a valid ….albeit sarcastic….point.

I have gone early, I agree, but I expect the level of public response ( mainly on social media, where unfortunately some idiots are celebrating the act ) to this murder to be less because the victim was 1. White, 2. Male, 3, a Conservative MP.

That’s just a fact nowadays.

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FFS, stop trying to score points with each other.
The next person who trys to act like some self righteous angel will be removed from the topic, along with their posts.

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Fatal stabbing of MP Sir David Amess confirmed as a terrorist incident

https://news.sky.com/story/fatal-sta...ident-12435051

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There will be more incidents in the future we are on the same old merry go round. My thoughts and condolences go to the family and friends of Mr Amess.

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I think it’s important to not lose a sense of perspective in the immediate aftermath. Fortunately, attacks on MPs are extremely rare.

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Attacks by a certain religion are depressingly common this time it's an MP but let's not pretend they are overly concerned about who is attacked and we know with certainty there will be future attacks.

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So less access to our MPs can only be a poor outcome for democracy which is a troubling thought.

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There’s no real reason to have MPs cowering under the stairs because of something extremely unlikely to happen.

Terrorists have always targeted the people and infrastructure as part of attacking state apparatus viewing them as legitimate targets for their cause. This isn’t new because it happened yesterday.

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Police have been called 651 times by MPs in the last few years iirc, more than one each! There's talk of panic buttons but they're not going to save anyone once the assailant is in the room with you. If I were considering their security I'd be looking at holding their surgeries in council offices, they've already got security staff in place and we might have to accept seeing them behind one of the counter screens, it's got to be better than zoom.

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Well already the reaction of a lot of MPs have been they don't want to lose that one-to-one connection with their constituents. Many are also making the point if you have police there then that could turn away people whose complaints are about the police or something along those lines.

Not sure what will happen.

It also looks like the suspected killer was referred to Prevent.

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I don't think we need to limit access just increase the security although how to do that without breaching privacy will be difficult. Maybe a police officer with a scanner but that's no guarantee but would be a visible deterrent to the majority of would be attackers, sadly there is no absolute defence against a committed attacker.

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Sorry, but I think thats just anti police ballcocks.
The MP could just as easily ignore a complaint (about anything) as well.
How is some PC standing guard going to know what your complaint is about (or even if you are there to complain at all).

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Labour and the Liberal Democrats will not be contesting the seat in the by-election.

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If the police officer isn't standing pretty close to the MP How's he going to protect him, no point him being there if he's over the other side of a big room or not even in the room

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BREAKING: Detectives from Terrorism division have been granted a warrant of further detention at Westminster Magistrates’ Court which allows them to hold the man on suspicion of the murder of MP Sir David Amess until October 22nd, Scotland Yard said.

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Right, and he (or she) is just going to barge into the conversation and tell them to stop ... :dozey:

Yes, Im sure thats exactly whats going to happen. :rolleyes:

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Is that in the same way you were pretty sure some PC wasn't going to know what your complaint was about

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I'm not anti muslim any more than anti any other religion. However, it does seem that there is less cooperation from the muslim community when it comes to terrorism.
If I were part of the police investigation I would be finding which mosque the killer attended, question those involved with its running and teachings and want to know why authorities were not warned of any members with any suspicion of violent tendencies.
I know it is hard to be tough on muslims but if they wish to avoid that then the solution is in their own hands - cooperate to week out the violent members of their community and those that teach and promote violence.

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Let's be glad you're not part of the investigation then as Isuspect the vast, vast majority of attacks stopped are done so because of other Muslims going to the authorities, I might be wrong but the intelligence comes from somewhere. A more troubling aspect is how almost every attacker is known to the authorities, maybe that needs looking at more I don't know

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No PC in the world has special powers to know what anyone is thinking before they speak, nor are they going to intefere.
Of course, you already know this and are just being an argumentative ass for the sake of it. If you have nothing sensible to add, dont bother. :dozey:

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Then again not all attacks(including murders) get the same level of media attention.
Link
A racist killing of a random nature, in that they set out to kill the first white person they came across.


You have to ask "where is the killing mentality coming from". Time after time, Islam is at the core of it.

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19 years ago - not a lot of social media around then to amplify things, was there?

However, it was reported on by the BBC, the Guardian, & the Mail, so not sure what your point is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2590539.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/dec/20/race.world

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nife-gang.html

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It's just one case that I could remember without having to a general search. I only became aware of the case after the outcome of the trial was reported on local news. So how many people are fully aware of these cases? How much media attention did they get?
Reporting is so unbalanced, that people are not allowed to get the true picture.

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All very interesting Im sure, perhaps worthy of its own thread, but as far as this one is concerned, seems to be veering off topic.

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Wasn't aware I'd said they would interfere, my only ascertain was that they'd have to be quite close to the MP to effectively protect them, in fact I'm not really sure why or even how you've read so much into that with the mind reading coppers and such like.

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Been discussed on here a few times about a school pal of mine, Chris Yates who was murdered by an Asian gang who ran off singing we killed the white man, it'll be in the search function if you wish to read about it more

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Ok. Perhaps then, I have totally misunderstood you, in which case my apologies. :angel:

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Confirmation that Labour and Liberal Democrats will stand aside in Southend West essentially following the precedent set in 2016 when the Tories/Liberals stood aside after Jo Cox was killed: https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/196...eld-candidate/

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A noble gesture but how does that serve democracy.

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I think for two reasons. One it ensures there isn't a seat change as a result of political violence. Jo Cox's murder was politically motivated and at the moment it seems Sir David Amess' murder was also politically motivated. No party wants the seat to change hands due to a terrorist attack. The message of unity is nice as well.

On a practical level, it also spares his local constituency party from having to have a political campaign in the aftermath of his death. I doubt they'll feel up to that and it's a very human thing to spare them that. Just as the last thing Jo Cox's local party would have wanted to do after her death is go door-knocking in Batley.

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I hope we don't lose the freedom MP's have now in order to counter very rare events. MP's should be free to move around in their constituencies and meet/greet the public they serve and that same public should be able to easily meet their MP's in casual settings without rings of security. The same should apply to their families, staff and friends.


We also need to take care on censuring comment. There is a big difference calling someone a <fill own mild term here> than making hateful or threatening comments. The former may need to be listened to, responded with a bit of wit or ignored. The latter something more forceful. (That said the definition of "hate speech" needs to be taken carefully as some people can find they are accused of hate speech just because someone doesn't like what they say.)

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced in the House of Commons that HM The Queen has granted permission to grant City Status to Southend.

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BREAKING: Ali Harbi Ali, 25, has been charged with the murder of MP Sir David Amess, the Crown Prosecution Service has just announced.

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And they are linking to terrorism.