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Anonymouse 07-10-2021 08:50
Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
According to this, Sir Peter Bottomley reckons it's a struggle.

Not the sort of thing I want to read after doing a 12-hour night shift - for minimum wage, I might add - and I'll only be paid 10.5 hours as the 3 half-hour breaks are all unpaid!

STRUGGLING? On that money?! I'd consider myself well-off on half that!!!

Plus some git stole my cards out of my jacket pocket while it was hung up in the changing room, which has NOT improved my mood!

papa smurf 07-10-2021 09:11
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36096252)
According to this, Sir Peter Bottomley reckons it's a struggle.

Not the sort of thing I want to read after doing a 12-hour night shift - for minimum wage, I might add - and I'll only be paid 10.5 hours as the 3 half-hour breaks are all unpaid!

STRUGGLING? On that money?! I'd consider myself well-off on half that!!!

Plus some git stole my cards out of my jacket pocket while it was hung up in the changing room, which has NOT improved my mood!


He should try living on a state pension before he opens his mouth, especially since his party just dropped the triple lock.

pip08456 07-10-2021 09:20
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36096252)
According to this, Sir Peter Bottomley reckons it's a struggle.

Not the sort of thing I want to read after doing a 12-hour night shift - for minimum wage, I might add - and I'll only be paid 10.5 hours as the 3 half-hour breaks are all unpaid!

STRUGGLING? On that money?! I'd consider myself well-off on half that!!!

Plus some git stole my cards out of my jacket pocket while it was hung up in the changing room, which has NOT improved my mood!
I'd be happy to struggle on that income. Where can I sign up?

Hugh 07-10-2021 09:25
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Not the best thing to be saying the day the £20 UC uplift was ended.

jfman 07-10-2021 09:35
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
It is pretty crass, that said I’d prefer to see MPs paid more rather than end up in the pockets of businesses which the current system is easily exploited to allow. Same with political party funding.

I’d imagine on very few occasions are MPs invited to speak at events or write newspaper columns because people have genuine interest in what they say/think. They’re buying access.

Maggy 07-10-2021 09:44
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36096263)
It is pretty crass, that said I’d prefer to see MPs paid more rather than end up in the pockets of businesses which the current system is easily exploited to allow. Same with political party funding.

I’d imagine on very few occasions are MPs invited to speak at events or write newspaper columns because people have genuine interest in what they say/think. They’re buying access.
Too late.

jfman 07-10-2021 09:59
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Indeed, it’s funny you wouldn’t get near the top of a FTSE 100 executive team without plenty of experience, millions in remuneration and fair strict contracts on conflicts of interest.

Yet you could crash a $2.7trn economy off a cliff for buttons by influencing a relatively small number of folk on 82 grand a year.

Paul 07-10-2021 23:44
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Im definitely struggling to earn £ 81,932, does that count ?

Ken W 08-10-2021 00:28
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36096256)
He should try living on a state pension before he opens his mouth, especially since his party just dropped the triple lock.
I agree

Jaymoss 08-10-2021 08:17
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36096263)
It is pretty crass, that said I’d prefer to see MPs paid more rather than end up in the pockets of businesses which the current system is easily exploited to allow. Same with political party funding.

I’d imagine on very few occasions are MPs invited to speak at events or write newspaper columns because people have genuine interest in what they say/think. They’re buying access.
even if they were paid 200K the greed would still make them want more

murfitUK 08-10-2021 08:42
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36096493)
even if they were paid 200K the greed would still make them want more
And don't forget that Boris Johnson described his £150,000 as a newspaper columnist as "chicken-feed" a couple of years ago.

All these MPs seem to get consultancy jobs paying 50K a year for 4 hours a month. If they really need a 2nd job they could apply to their local supermarket to be a shelf-stacker, or a care assistant, like the rest of us have to.

Having said that I wouldn't object to them having a bigger salary as long as they were forbidden from filling their pockets elsewhere - being an MP should be a full-time job.

jfman 08-10-2021 08:47
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by murfitUK (Post 36096496)
And don't forget that Boris Johnson described his £150,000 as a newspaper columnist as "chicken-feed" a couple of years ago.

All these MPs seem to get consultancy jobs paying 50K a year for 4 hours a month. If they really need a 2nd job they could apply to their local supermarket to be a shelf-stacker, or a care assistant, like the rest of us have to.

Having said that I wouldn't object to them having a bigger salary as long as they were forbidden from filling their pockets elsewhere - being an MP should be a full-time job.
If they were that good at consultancy why waste hundreds of days a year in Parliament. :D

Carth 08-10-2021 09:47
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36096497)
If they were that good at consultancy why waste hundreds of days a year in Parliament. :D
Hundreds of days??

I thought they just showed their faces for the minimum times required (which I think is probably 12) in order to get paid :D

mrmistoffelees 08-10-2021 10:41
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
That would be 82k + ALL of the expenses that are allowed to be claimed for....... and probably some that aren't but are 'pushed through'........

He'll have significantly more in the way of disposable income than that of the average PAYE employee on the same salary.

OLD BOY 08-10-2021 20:34
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.

Mr K 08-10-2021 22:26
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096608)
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.
Yes that does sound terribly tough OB. There's a gofundme account to try and help Peter if you want to contribute? https://www.gofundme.com/f/supportstrugglingtories
Poor sod has only got £365 from it so far, not enough to fund ones boot polisher...

Hugh 08-10-2021 22:39
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096608)
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.
only problem with your proposition is that there is no evidence that the MPs have in fact taken a drop on income, and that was never mentioned by Sir Peter in the original Spectator article.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...uch-as-doctors
Quote:
“Doctors are paid far too little nowadays. But if they would get roughly £100,000 a year, the equivalent for an MP to get the same standard of living would be £110-£115,000 a year – it’s never the right time, but if your MP isn’t worth the money, it’s better to change the MP than to change the money.”

While Bottomley no longer suffers the financial strains, he believes the situation is “desperately difficult” for his newer colleagues. “I don’t know how they manage. It’s really grim.

Paul 08-10-2021 22:59
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096608)
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.
Ive lived in the same house for 32 years, and I can assure you Ive had plenty of pay increases in that time. :)

nffc 08-10-2021 23:08
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Has anyone asked Boris Johnson?

Mr K 08-10-2021 23:16
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36096660)
Has anyone asked Boris Johnson?
Well he had to get a loan to buy a roll of wallpaper so it is hard for him. Mind you he got £122k just for one speech but maybe that all went on a lampshade ?

mrmistoffelees 09-10-2021 08:22
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096608)
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.

It’s not tough, at all

Carth 09-10-2021 09:45
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Most things in life are as hard, or easy, as you make them.

I know I couldn't afford the maintenance of an indoor swimming pool, so I don't have one . . . or a private helipad.

I also don't own 3 houses and a yacht, don't employ a chauffeur, maid, cook, fitness guru, or gardener.

I once contemplated a private masseur, but the wife insisted on a young, bronzed, muscular male, so I kicked that into touch.

Admittedly I haven't been on £80k a year for the past 20 years though :D

jfman 09-10-2021 14:20
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096608)
The thing that most people who have never lived on an income like that don’t appreciate is that you always live up to your income.

As you become better off with pay increases and promotions, you tend to get a more expensive house (with the associated mortgage increases) and more expensive hobbies and other pleasures and an altogether better social life, which all costs money.

So when the value of that increased income starts to fall away for whatever reason, you feel the pinch like everyone else, and you could find yourself not being able to do the things you’ve become accustomed to doing, and even have to consider selling your house for a cheaper one.

Yes, of course it’s nothing like being impoverished, but it is tough, nonetheless. We all get used to what we have, and giving it up can be extremely upsetting.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah hahahhahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhhhhahahahhhah ahahahahhahhahaha.

I hope this wasn’t a serious post.

Hugh 09-10-2021 17:30
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36096745)
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah hahahhahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhhhhahahahhhah ahahahahhahhahaha.

I hope this wasn’t a serious post.
I believe the phrase for thinking that way is ‘entitlement culture’… ;)

Itshim 09-10-2021 21:29
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
NO

Paul 10-10-2021 02:08
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36096814)
NO
You may want to be a little more specific, your reply could apply to any number of previous posts.

Itshim 10-10-2021 20:36
Re: Anyone here "struggling" on a salary of £81,932?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096846)
You may want to be a little more specific, your reply could apply to any number of previous posts.
Or it could apply to the question :shocked: however I do pay taxes in two countries ,at least that what my accountant says .


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