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pip08456 06-10-2021 16:36

Nasa to crash spacecraft into asteroid in 'Armageddon' test of defences
 
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What could possibly go wrong?

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Nasa is planning to deliberately crash a spacecraft into an asteroid to test its ability to alter its trajectory and avoid a potentially deadly future collision with Earth.

The space agency’s Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART) will lift off next month aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket, for a mission being likened to the plot of film Armageddon.

DART will be testing asteroid deflection capabilities by smashing into it at nearly 15,000 miles per hour in September 2022.

It is hoped the spacecraft it will change the speed of the asteroid, known as Didymoon, a fraction of a per cent, and subsequently alter its orbit.
Link wasn't paywalled for me.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...test-defences/

Halcyon 06-10-2021 16:46

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Having had no asteroid take out the earth in however many millions of years we have been here, I have to ask is it really necessary?


The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

Chris 06-10-2021 17:16

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096100)
Having had no asteroid take out the earth in however many millions of years we have been here, I have to ask is it really necessary?


The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

Crisis planning necessitates preparing for a crisis when one is not imminent. To be blunt, I’ve always found the “but people are starving” line a bit cheap - intended to win an argument by virtue signalling rather than by genuine engagement with the issues.

Sure, people are starving. Sure we should be doing something about that. But is that the only thing we should be doing?

Hugh 06-10-2021 17:29

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096100)
Having had no asteroid take out the earth in however many millions of years we have been here, I have to ask is it really necessary?


The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

Well, Tunguska was just over a hundred years ago…

https://earthsky.org/space/evidence-...ts-since-2000/

And Chelyabinsk was only 8 years ago.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/five-ye...etary-defense/

OLD BOY 06-10-2021 18:11

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096100)
Having had no asteroid take out the earth in however many millions of years we have been here, I have to ask is it really necessary?


The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

I guess it depends on whether you actually want the human race to survive whenever such an emergency arises in the future. It’s only a matter of time. It may be in a million years or it might be next week.

As for hunger and poverty - even Jesus recognised that there will always be the poor in any society. And I’m not going to start an argument with Him. :erm:

Jaymoss 06-10-2021 18:29

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096128)
I guess it depends on whether you actually want the human race to survive whenever such an emergency arises in the future. It’s only a matter of time. It may be in a million years or it might be next week.

As for hunger and poverty - even Jesus recognised that there will always be the poor in any society. And I’m not going to start an argument with Him. :erm:


In none of scriptures regarding Jesus did he ever say or infer that. In fact the opposite as he referred to the coming of Gods Kingdom that later in the bible tells of an end of suffering. But that is all another subject entirely

I think the money can be better spent. With our level of technology as it is we have no chance of diverting anything big enough to do enough damage and lets face it if something was coming in the relative near future they already know about. In fact maybe they do and this is their attempt to see if they need to tell us the end is nigh

pip08456 06-10-2021 18:35

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36096132)
In none of scriptures regarding Jesus did he ever say or infer that. In fact the opposite as he referred to the coming of Gods Kingdom that later in the bible tells of an end of suffering. But that is all another subject entirely

I think the money can be better spent. With our level of technology as it is we have no chance of diverting anything big enough to do enough damage and lets face it if something was coming in the relative near future they already know about. In fact maybe they do and this is their attempt to see if they need to tell us the end is nigh

Or, using your logic, they are spending the money to prevent it.

Jaymoss 06-10-2021 18:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36096134)
Or, using your logic, they are spending the money to prevent it.

maybe. Lets hope so. The megalomaniac I was when i was young would have loved the idea of the world ending and everyone dying when I did but since I had kids I regained a small amount of my sanity

Paul 06-10-2021 22:12

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096100)
The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

I'm curious, do you go out for drinks, concerts, football, or other sport/entertainment/things, or do you give all your money to to people without food ?

TheDaddy 06-10-2021 22:44

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096191)
I'm curious, do you go out for drinks, concerts, football, or other sport/entertainment/things, or do you give all your money to to people without food ?

Even if he did would it amount to hundreds of millions?

idi banashapan 06-10-2021 23:02

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096100)
Having had no asteroid take out the earth in however many millions of years we have been here, I have to ask is it really necessary?


The millions of pounds this will cost when there are people without food or more important problems in the world to face right now. Hmmm.

The result of a coin flip is not determined by the past results. Just because all previous flips have been heads, does not mean the next flip will also be heads.

Paul 07-10-2021 00:38

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36096203)
Even if he did would it amount to hundreds of millions?

How is that relevant ?

pip08456 07-10-2021 01:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096128)
I guess it depends on whether you actually want the human race to survive whenever such an emergency arises in the future. It’s only a matter of time. It may be in a million years or it might be next week.

As for hunger and poverty - even Jesus recognised that there will always be the poor in any society. And I’m not going to start an argument with Him. :erm:

Apparently it doesn't really matter. Accoring to Insulate Britain and Climate Extreme we are all going to die anyway so what's the point?

Oh, I forgot, we've got to save the planet. As if that would cease to exist...

TheDaddy 07-10-2021 01:18

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36096209)
The result of a coin flip is not determined by the past results. Just because all previous flips have been heads, does not mean the next flip will also be heads.

The chances of it being heads reduces every flip to, we're probably over due a biggie by now anyway, the thing that has surprised me in the past is how close some of the near misses have got before we've even spotted them

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096224)
How is that relevant ?

Because we are about to spend hundreds of millions on it, actually we don't give all our money as a country to the poor either so it probably wasn't a very valid comparison to have tried to make anyway imo

pip08456 07-10-2021 01:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36096203)
Even if he did would it amount to hundreds of millions?

No we aren't, NASA is. In case you didn't know NASA is funded by and based in the USA.

We also spent over £17 billion on aid to other "poorer" countries.

Anonymouse 07-10-2021 10:07

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In fact we are overdue for a major event; they seem to occur at fairly regular intervals - 10 million years is one figure I've read.

And the reason these things aren't spotted until they're right on top of us is that a) many of them are nearly black (carbonaceous) and therefore hard to see anyway, and b) we don't have a global tracking system such as Clarke's imagined Spaceguard...and whatever the expense, we do need such a system because I for one don't believe for a moment that we'll survive anything on the scale of the event that did for the dinosaurs. The EMP alone would be devastating.

The cost of any such system will be irrelevant if we don't set it up and get annihilated as a result, don't you think?

"Important"? Hmm. Is our survival as a species important? I'd say it is - to us, at least. We've been lucky so far. Sooner or later luck always runs out.

Besides, such a system might actually pay for itself - it might spot a Near-Earth Object loaded with valuable metals. Scientists are pretty sure such objects exist.

Carth 07-10-2021 10:37

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They don't really need to be 'big' to cause widespread damage/devastation, they just have to hit - or explode over - the wrong place.

Something half the size of the Tunguska one would cause a bit of a splash in the ocean, but hitting New York, London, Tokyo . . or a Nuclear power station . . or a critical point on the California fault line . . or kick starting Yellowstone etc.

It wouldn't kill us off, but the far reaching consequences aren't good.

Halcyon 07-10-2021 10:53

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096191)
I'm curious, do you go out for drinks, concerts, football, or other sport/entertainment/things, or do you give all your money to to people without food ?


Ofcourse I do. But I also give to charity.


I see your point. They can't be truly compared against each other.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36096128)
I guess it depends on whether you actually want the human race to survive whenever such an emergency arises in the future.




We may be living on another planet one day. Those remaining on earth get nuked and the others living on another newly established place take over.

Chris 07-10-2021 10:55

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36096231)
The chances of it being heads reduces every flip to, we're probably over due a biggie by now anyway,

This is the gambler’s fallacy. The outcome of one coin toss doesn’t affect the outcome of any future toss. Every coin toss still has odds of 50/50. Even if you get 10 heads in a row, the odds on the 11th toss are still 50/50.

The odds of a major impact event can be calculated by looking at how often these things have happened in the past, but that’s all it is - an estimate of how many times something will happen in the future based on how many times it has happened in the past. If a once-in-a-century event doesn’t occur for 5 centuries, then we don’t assume an event is imminent, but we do perhaps recalculate the odds.

TheDaddy 07-10-2021 11:05

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36096238)
No we aren't, NASA is. In case you didn't know NASA is funded by and based in the USA.

We also spent over £17 billion on aid to other "poorer" countries.

I was talking about us as a species, in case you didn't know we are all human and exacting 17 billion isn't all our money like what was expected of Halcyon

Halcyon 07-10-2021 11:31

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36096270)
This is the gambler’s fallacy. The outcome of one coin toss doesn’t affect the outcome of any future toss. Every coin toss still has odds of 50/50. Even if you get 10 heads in a row, the odds on the 11th toss are still 50/50.


Slightly off topic but.... Surely some coins have more weight to one side or the other. eg. the more embossed area of the queens head against whatever is on the flip side.
This could influence the toss.


As to asteroids....We are safe for another 100 years atleast.
I'd be more worried about heading up in a rocket and crashing into space debris.




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Nasa had deemed Apophis to be one of the most dangerous asteroids to Earth after its discovery in 2004.


Close calls in 2029 and 2036 were predicted and later ruled out. A slight threat still remained for 2068.


But now Nasa has dismissed that threat based on new analysis of the asteroid.


"A 2068 impact is not in the realm of possibility any more, and our calculations don't show any impact risk for at least the next 100 years," Davide Farnocchia, a scientist who studies near-Earth objects for Nasa

TheDaddy 07-10-2021 11:57

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36096270)
This is the gambler’s fallacy. The outcome of one coin toss doesn’t affect the outcome of any future toss. Every coin toss still has odds of 50/50. Even if you get 10 heads in a row, the odds on the 11th toss are still 50/50.

The odds of a major impact event can be calculated by looking at how often these things have happened in the past, but that’s all it is - an estimate of how many times something will happen in the future based on how many times it has happened in the past. If a once-in-a-century event doesn’t occur for 5 centuries, then we don’t assume an event is imminent, but we do perhaps recalculate the odds.

The odds of the coin toss might be near to 50/50 each individual toss but in terms of probability you aren't going to toss 50 heads out of 50. That notwithstanding your second paragraph is probably a far better way of assessing it rather than flipping a coin!

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36096290)
Slightly off topic but.... Surely some coins have more weight to one side or the other. eg. the more embossed area of the queens head against whatever is on the flip side.
This could influence the toss.


As to asteroids....We are safe for another 100 years atleast.
I'd be more worried about heading up in a rocket and crashing into space debris.

It's true I remember some egg head report saying similar, I'd try and find it but my eyesight isn't good at the moment, don't think they insinuated anything untoward like a weightier side or anything, just that heads wins slightly more often


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