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Mr K	19-09-2021 20:10

UK carbon dioxide shortage could ‘cancel Christmas’, warns turkey supplier

https://www.theguardian.com/business...urkey-supplier

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The owner of the UK’s biggest poultry supplier has added his voice to UK food producers’ concerns over a shortage of carbon dioxide gas, saying the supply of turkeys for Christmas will be affected.

Ranjit Singh Boparan, the owner of Bernard Matthews and 2 Sisters Food Group, said the closure of two large fertiliser plants in Teesside and Cheshire – which produce CO2 as a byproduct – due to a sharp rise in gas prices has hit supply to the food industry, already affected by a shortage of workers.

CO2 is essential to the humane slaughter of livestock, extends the shelf life of products and is vital to cooling systems for refrigeration purposes, industry leaders have said.

Good news for livestock! Executions are being postponed.

Good news for the McCartneys too :)

We probably won't have any gas to cook anything by Xmas anyway. Isn't it wonderful being an independent nation ? ;)

Mad Max

19-09-2021 20:42

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093731)

https://www.theguardian.com/business...urkey-supplier

Good news for livestock! Executions are being postponed.

Good news for the McCartneys too :)

We probably won't have any gas to cook anything by Xmas anyway. Isn't it wonderful being an independent nation ? ;)

It certainly is, look at how well the vaccinations went!

papa smurf

19-09-2021 20:49

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093731)

Pheasant shooting starts 1 oct ba-boom.

Chris

19-09-2021 21:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093731)

Even the Grauniad isn’t trying to blame Brexit for this one. You really are a stuck record.

1andrew1

20-09-2021 11:29

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36093742)

Even the Grauniad isn’t trying to blame Brexit for this one. You really are a stuck record.

Sky News provides a list of reasons as to why energy prices are higher and Brexit was not amongst them.
https://news.sky.com/story/whats-beh...ustry-12410497

I can only assume that Mr K was recalling Johnson's promise to cut VAT on energy prices if we left the EU.

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EU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT Boris promises cheaper household gas bills if Brits back Brexit

EXCLUSIVE: The Former Mayor of London claims leaving the EU will mean ministers can slash the price of our gas bills

BORIS Johnson and Michael Gove today promise to scrap VAT on household energy bills if Britain backs a Brexit.

In the first cash sweetener of the EU Referendum campaign, they argue that leaving the EU will allow ministers to bin the "unfair and damaging" £2 billion a year tax on gas and electricity prices.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/121870...s-back-brexit/

Chris

20-09-2021 11:34

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093761)

I can’t see any promise to cut VAT on fuel in that article - simply an observation from leave campaigners that such a thing would be possible (which it is). The Sun appears then to have extrapolated a promise from that.

At the risk of going over very old ground yet again, a referendum campaign is not an election. There is no manifesto. The debate is concerned with what is possible under the different scenarios voters will chose from, not a list of promises.

Pierre

20-09-2021 11:36

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093731)

I buy mine from a local farm.

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 11:58

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093731)

Germany won't be any better off than we.

Mick	20-09-2021 12:35

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36093742)

Even the Grauniad isn’t trying to blame Brexit for this one. You really are a stuck record.

He is. And if Mr K thinks he can circumvent his permanent exclusion from the Brexit topic, by bringing it to here, he can think again. #WasNotBornYesterday.

Hom3r

20-09-2021 12:47

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I believe we would have been in a better situation if Coronavirus hadn't hit.

1andrew1

20-09-2021 12:55

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093767)

Germany won't be any better of than we.

We're in a slightly worse situation than Germany as our inter-connector with France is damaged with only 50% capacity until Spring next year. I appreciate this is for electricity but it impacts on the energy market.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093777)

I believe we would have been in a better situation if Coronavirus hadn't hit.

Agreed - the Sky News article reported that a number of North Sea gas platforms have been closed for planned maintenance which had previously been postponed due to Covid.

Halcyon

20-09-2021 13:09

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So are chickens gassed? Seems very cruel.

TheDaddy

20-09-2021 13:12

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36093736)

It certainly is, look at how well the vaccinations went!

Went and not is going being very appropriate

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36093742)

Even the Grauniad isn’t trying to blame Brexit for this one. You really are a stuck record.

I'm not in the best of health at the moment but iirc isn't there some sort of integrated eu energy market meant to insulate against such price hikes, basically are they paying as much as us? Plus as per the first post those animals aren't getting a stay of execution, there is talk of them bring culled as there's no one in the abattoirs or meat processing plants to deal with them, might as well shut them permanently now rather than put of the inevitable

1andrew1

20-09-2021 14:07

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093780)

So are chickens gassed? Seems very cruel.

Stunning uses CO2, then they are killed.

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 14:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093787)

Stunning uses CO2, then they are killed.

Maybe they'll use to other stunning methods - they are all well tried. Seems a bit convoluted to use a variant of the German method.

Pierre

20-09-2021 14:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093778)

That would be a major issue if we were wholly dependent on the IFA but we have 4no. other interconnectors to Norway, Denmark, Belgium & Holland.

Diversity and protection of supply.

Hopefully they will also be able to get one to Iceland in the future and tap into all their Thermal energy.

Mick	20-09-2021 14:40

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Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Carth

20-09-2021 14:42

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Both probably . . CO2 to kill them, then CO2 refrigerant for transport to supermarkets

Taf	20-09-2021 14:43

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

It is commonly used to euthanise male chicks, but more humane CO2 is now used to put them to sleep before they are hung upside down, and electrically killed.

Mr K	20-09-2021 15:30

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093795)

Both probably . . CO2 to kill them, then CO2 refrigerant for transport to supermarkets

Yum yum !

Myself and fellow veggie Mick can sleep easy ;)

Meanwhile loads of fresh produce from my allotment atm . I'm self sufficient in courgettes for a few decades...

See the light folks, for your own health and the planets.
..

Halcyon

20-09-2021 15:47

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36093794)

Thought the gas was used to preserve the chicken, not kill them?

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 15:51

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

I hear Mr K mumbling something about the carbon footprint of extracting oxygen from somewhere.

Didn't know Mick was a veggie. Sort of out of character!

1andrew1

20-09-2021 15:55

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093808)

I hear Mr K mumbling something about the carbon footprint of extracting oxygen from somewhere.

Didn't know Mick was a veggie. Sort of out of character!

Are the days of veggies being woke lefty hippies and carnivores beer-swilling furious Farage fans behind us?

Chris

20-09-2021 16:10

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

“Modified atmosphere packaging” is intended primarily to improve shelf life, rather than cosmetic appearance. I believe different concentrations of gases are used depending on the product they are packaging.

RichardCoulter

20-09-2021 17:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093761)

Bit rich for him to come out with all that when it was a Tory Government that put VAT on fuel back in the early nineties (in order to subsidise and keep down the unpopular Poll Tax/Community Charge).

It started at 8% and was due to go up to the full rate. The incoming Labour Government scrapped the planned rise and reduced it to 5%. When asked why they hadn't scrapped it completely, they said that they weren't able to scrap it entirely once it had been introduced due to EU rules.

Now that we've left the EU, it would be possible to scrap it if any present or future Government is/was minded to.

I remember all this as my accountant advised me to pay as much as I could afford in advance in order to delay having to pay VAT on fuel. I did so as there weren't any bank accounts paying 8% at the time

This loophole worked as long as there was no change of address

Hom3r

20-09-2021 18:28

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36093806)

Don't they pump oxygen into meat packets too, it makes the meat look more red.

No they use CO2 or Nitrogen as this preserves the items longer.

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I know that Nitrogen is used in crisps

Paul	20-09-2021 19:44

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How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Sephiroth

20-09-2021 19:53

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

1. Freeze it;

2. Chisel out a very big hammer;

3. Apply said hammer with force to the animal's head.

Hugh	20-09-2021 20:15

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Slowly…

https://www.poultryworld.net/Health/...rest-2766995W/

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The Marel Stork system gently unloads the broilers onto a trampoline-like belt which transports them to the stunning system. Then they are exposed to less than 40% CO2 for one minute after which the CO2 level is slowly built up to a higher percentage. At Meyn Food in terms of stunning mechanism the same process is applied, only in that case the chicks go, along with the transport container, in the stunning device in which the CO2 concentration is built up gradually in more steps.” One minute of 40% CO2 is, according to the senior researcher, enough to stun the animals, which is fully evidenced by extensive scientific research. According to Gerritzen, it is very important that the CO2 percentage is built up slowly. “Otherwise the product quality loss will be too high due to rapid muscle convulsions.”

Pierre

21-09-2021 00:16

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093841)

How do you stun anything with CO2 ?

Wait for 50,000 years and maybe they may sweat to death.

OLD BOY

21-09-2021 08:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36093763)

I buy mine from a local farm.

It might still be alive, so get your hammer ready.

Maggy

21-09-2021 10:07

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Well as long as there are eggs on the shelves I won't starve.

jfman

21-09-2021 10:10

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36093858)

Wait for 50,000 years and maybe they may sweat to death.

Wait 100,000 and have it cooked for you.

Sephiroth

21-09-2021 10:16

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36093875)

Well as long as there are eggs on the shelves I won't starve.

I'm stocking up on lamb chops.

Carth

21-09-2021 11:08

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I see the media are all over this again today, many using alarmist quotes from the 'big business' sector that is now struggling.

First it was a cheap labour shortage, then there weren't enough shop workers, quickly followed by no drivers to haul the products (presumably still stuck in fields) to the supermarkets (where there was nobody to stack shelves), and now it's a CO2 shortage.

The chase for big profits has suddenly come to a grinding halt . . oh dear, what a shame, never mind.

Screw the supermarkets, buy from the small independents that value customers, our local butcher is doing a roaring trade :D

Taf	21-09-2021 12:09

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I find it ironic that whilst governments are trying to wean us off fossil fuels and onto "sustainable" electricity to reduce CO2 production, the wind drops so the wind turbines stop, the sun goes in so the solar panels don't work, therefore more fossil fuels must be used to keep us alive.

And so with more demand, the fossil fuel prices go up, causing fertiliser plants to shut down, and with them gone the CO2 supplies start to dry up. CO2 supplies that we need for many applications!

The only true sustainable source of energy is wave and water power. But every time "feasibility studies" for a Severn barrage are carried out, all they do is put money in the pockets of "consultants".

Hugh	21-09-2021 18:40

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58641394

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The government has struck a deal with a US company to restart production of carbon dioxide (CO2) at plants in the UK after warnings of food shortages.

CF Industries stopped work at two of its fertiliser factories, which supplies most of the CO2 used in food production, due to soaring gas prices.

CO2 is widely used in the food industry in brewing and in packaging for meat and salads to prolong shelf life.

It is not clear yet what incentives the government have offered the firm.

The business secretary previously ruled out nationalising the company, although providing financial support is still seen as an unusual move.

It could take as long as three days for the factories to start producing CO2 again at its plants in Cheshire and Stockton-on-Tees.

Sephiroth

21-09-2021 18:52

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.... and I just panic bought a whole load of Waitrose Sparling Water.

TheDaddy

21-09-2021 20:04

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093937)

.... and I just panic bought a whole load of Waitrose Sparling Water.

I was planning on selling my soda stream as well

Taf	21-09-2021 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093937)

.... and I just panic bought a whole load of Waitrose Sparling Water.

That is carbonated by denture tablets. :D:D:D

1andrew1

22-09-2021 11:42

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Red Conservatives to the rescue with the taxpayers' cheque book. But did they have much of a choice?

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CF Fertilisers: Deal to support US-owned CO2 producer could cost taxpayer 'tens of millions'

https://news.sky.com/story/cf-fertil...lions-12414129

Hugh	22-09-2021 12:00

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for three weeks.

1andrew1

22-09-2021 12:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36093970)

for three weeks

Hands up anyone who doesn't think this will be extended?

Sephiroth

22-09-2021 12:37

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093969)

Red Conservatives to the rescue with the taxpayers' cheque book. But did they have much of a choice?

https://news.sky.com/story/cf-fertil...lions-12414129

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The government could end up giving tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to an American company to help it restart carbon dioxide production at two plants, a minister has told Sky News.

Speaking to Kay Burley, Environment Secretary George Eustice said that without the "temporary" agreement with CF Fertilisers there would have been food supply problems and the government "needed to act".

This is what I dislike about the press hacks. Instead of giving prominence to the bit I've put in italics, the first thing they do is to put a negative spin on the government's wise action.

Today's Grauniad is not much better; the headline reads:

Quote:

Bailout of US CO2 supplier will cost UK taxpayers ‘millions’

I can't find the topic covered in the online edition of the Torygraph. But I don't think the headline will be any less nuanced than the Grauniad.

Mr K	22-09-2021 12:57

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093979)

This is what I dislike about the press hacks. Instead of giving prominence to the bit I've put in italics, the first thing they do is to put a negative spin on the government's wise action.

Today's Grauniad is not much better; the headline reads:

I can't find the topic covered in the online edition of the Torygraph. But I don't think the headline will be any less nuanced than the Grauniad.

Aren't you putting your own spin on the 'wise' Govt. ? :)

Sephiroth

22-09-2021 13:02

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093982)

Aren't you putting your own spin on the 'wise' Govt. ? :)

To refute your spin, I said 'wise action' not 'wise Govt'.

1andrew1

22-09-2021 13:13

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093983)

To refute your spin, I said 'wise action' not 'wise Govt'.

Is it wise though? That's a subjective assessment whereas millions is a factual one.

tweetiepooh

22-09-2021 13:18

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Well game bird season has started and may be plenty of them without needing CO2. Have partridge or pheasant for Christmas.

pip08456

22-09-2021 13:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093984)

Is it wise though? That's a subjective assessment whereas millions is a factual one.

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The three-week arrangement announced by Kwarteng will cover operating costs so the firm can immediately restart its Billingham plant. “This agreement will ensure the many critical industries that rely on a stable supply of CO2 have the resources they require to avoid disruption,” Kwarteng said.

CF is Britain's main CO2 producer and meets 60 percent of its demand, and the deal follows talks between Kwarteng and CF Fertilisers CEO Tony Will over the past couple of days. It will see the company restart production at one of two plants earmarked for closure. The BBC reported the cost to taxpayers is in the "low tens of millions" and is less than £50m.

Staff were allowed into the Billingham site on Teesside around 10 p.m. last night after assembling throughout the evening.

The move will also protect the U.K.’s six advanced gas-cooled nuclear reactors, which rely on CO2. Ministers were briefed Tuesday that the reactors were at risk and might have to close.

“These will be three tense weeks while we have to try and work something more long-term out,” a senior civil servant told POLITICO's London Playbook.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-b...ilisers-plant/

Sephiroth

22-09-2021 13:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36093984)

Is it wise though? That's a subjective assessment whereas millions is a factual one.

You walked into that one, Andrew! Why would you question the Guvmin's wisdom when it is their main duty to protect the well-being of the UK? Running out of food or other products that make use of CO2 is not something that they can allow.

TheDaddy

22-09-2021 13:51

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36093986)

Well game bird season has started and may be plenty of them without needing CO2. Have partridge or pheasant for Christmas.

Plenty of grass to, let the plebs eat that

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36093987)

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-b...ilisers-plant/

Seems like an awful lot of cash to me, they might have had their pants pulled down

Chris

22-09-2021 14:00

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36093996)

Seems like an awful lot of cash to me, they might have had their pants pulled down

I’m pretty sure nobody on this forum has the slightest idea what it costs to restart and operate a fertiliser factory. How do you judge whether tens of millions is an awful lot of cash in any particular context?

TheDaddy

22-09-2021 14:15

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36093998)

You don't think that's why I used words like Seems like and might have, time will tell but by the time the crisis has passed chumocracy apologists will either hope everyone's forgotten or tell us it was a price worth paying

Jaymoss

22-09-2021 14:17

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El Gov will have to continue subsidising these plants long term while gas prices are stupid as well as subsidising the poor more than the £140 warm home discount

keep foreign aid frozen and I know this will get me flamed means test the state pension and throw the money at those most in need

heero_yuy

22-09-2021 14:27

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Part of the problem at the moment is that the major producer of bio-ethanol in the UK plant is down for annual maintainance. They provide approximately 40% of the country's CO2 needs as a by-product. Their representitive was on R4 "You and Yours" today and said they will be restarting production soon.

Probably the reason why El Gov. has time limited support for the fertiser plant.

1andrew1

22-09-2021 14:37

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093989)

To call it wise without more knowledge of costs, etc is unwise. It could be the best decision under the sun or it could be another PPE act-in-haste, repent-at-your-leisure scenario.
An alternative point I've seen expressed is: are we giving into corporate strikers? What would Margaret Thatcher have done?

Sephiroth

22-09-2021 14:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094006)

I dispute that, Andrew. The Guvmin's over-riding duty is to protect us. In this case they've acted quickly, which I think is a necessary step.

We didn't know what the Covid cost would be and the Guvmin really didn't act as quickly as hindsight suggested it should have done.

I don't see the relevance of introducing Thatcher into this other than to cause mischief.

Chris

22-09-2021 14:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36094000)

Well I was making the same point, although from the opposite end. Those inclined to trust the government will likely assume it’s a fair price. Those inclined to assume it’s all a great big old boys club will assume the price is excessive.

It would be preferable if we had something else to go on other than political prejudices.

1andrew1

22-09-2021 15:00

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36094010)

Agreed. Knowing what a fair price is, is quite tricky though!

Paul	22-09-2021 19:39

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Everyone in the green camp is complaining we produce too much CO2, and yet at the same time, we are short of CO2.

Everyone was happy with furlogh, costing us billions, and yet complaining about a few millions to get us out of a different 'crisis'.

What a strange world. :erm:

Pierre

22-09-2021 22:18

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36094040)

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