Halogen bulb ban
 

"Sales of halogen lightbulbs are to be banned in the UK from September, with fluorescent lights to follow, under government climate change plans."

And that will probably include CFL's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57407233

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I wonder if this will include the bulbs needed for halogen ovens?

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No, they'll continue to be sold.
https://highvoltagewholesale.co.uk/?p=384

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CFLs are crap anyway, and I swapped my Halogen outside floodlights to LED last year.

This is one simple move that won’t really have an impact to the consumer, unlike some others in the pipeline.

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LED lamps tend to have poor Power Factor values. Another kick in the pants if Smart meters are allowed to charge consumers by kVA instead of kWh.

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Phew, thanks Andrew.

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I have a halogen oven that uses them to cook as they get so hot. Did your floodlights get really hot and use a lot of power, or are these different to the type used in ovens?

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These are really heating elements whose prime purpose is making heat for cooking so they're exempt.

For lighting we should really be moving to LED. It'll take a long time for the old bulbs to get removed. I still have many traditional filament bulbs in rooms where they are rarely used and often on dimmers.

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I just use them for lighting the driveway. Never thought to cook with them.

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A non event for me.

I've never had a Halogen Bulb.

I switched from filament to CFL a few years ago (as replacements were needed) and then started replcing them with LEDs about 3 years ago.

The last of my fluorescent tubes went two years ago when I had my kitched redone, that and my conservatory are using LED spots now.

I still have one CFL (in the hall, not used often)
I actually still have one filament bulb (rarely used, so still hanging on).

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We were given some CFL's by electricity supplier and still have plenty of those as well as some filament bulbs. Bulbs can last a long time.

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Is it more environmentally friendly/cheaper to use up inefficient bulbs and use more electricity than it is to:throw away working bulbs and buy the modern efficient ones to save electricity/money?

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Probably yes. Unless your usage is really, really high.

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"More environmentally friendly" isn't easy to assess, but you could certainly work out whether it would be cheaper for you.

For example:
Replace a 100W incandescent with a 15W LED bulb that costs £1.45. You are saving 0.085kWh for every hour that it's turned on. If you pay 20p per kWh for your electricity, the bulb will pay for itself after 85 hours use. So definitely worthwhile for a bulb you use several hours a day; not so for a rarely-used one.

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Doesn't affect cars either.

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It will cost some companies hundreds of thousands to get rid of fluorescent tubes and replace fittings and bulbs.


One company I worked for had several thousand, so they could meet the DSE regulations.


For me, I have 23 Phillips Hue bulbs 12 are the full colour at £50 a pop.

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I don't think anyone has to strip out fluorescent tubes, they just can't sell them after a certain date so distributors and shops will just run down stocks before then.

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But you will still need to replace fittings once they can't be sourced

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You would just replace the existing fluorescent tube with its LED equivalent eg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brite-Sourc...127KNP0W&psc=1

I appreciate you may not wish to mix and match bulb types but larger offices tend to replace bulbs one floor at a time ie preventative maintenance.

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It does depend on the fluorescent fitting though. My understanding is you need to do different things if you have a different starter/ballast setups

https://www.simplyled.co.uk/info/install-led-tubes/

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Sorry but this does make me laugh.

Everyone must change to energy efficient light bulbs . . to conserve energy . . whilst having a 3 TV's in the house, routers, game consoles, computers, washing machines (with 3 hour wash cycles), dish washers, electric showers, blah blah.

We could save much much more by simply thinking about how we use what we already have ;)

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Every little helps…

Modern TVs and other appliances are much more energy efficient than those from 10+ years ago, showers are more energy efficient than baths (and you can fit shower head aerators which save water), we use 30C washes in the washing machine which saves energy, and only do full loads, etc.

Just because we can’t do everything doesn’t mean we should do nothing… ;)

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I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying don't watch so much crap on TV, have your toast light brown instead of dark, use a push mower instead of an electric one, share a shower :naughty:

What's the cost difference in running a standard bulb for a year compared to an LED one . . . and what's the production cost difference?

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Washing line perhaps .after all wind power is the way to go

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You need to do both.

I recommend reducing CO2 by drinking local hand-pulled ales and popping down the pub to watch the match, rather than buying a 75" TV. ;)

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https://www.electricalcounter.co.uk/...-running-costs

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1627923441

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45 bulbs per house seems a tad more than the usual house.

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£395 a year seems slightly over the top too, for a few (ha) bulbs on for 2 hrs a day.

Still, it's someones job to convince us they're better, so there we go ;)

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You can always trust Hugh to come out with the extreme.

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We’ve got 47…

Mind you, that includes 6 in the dining room (5 bulbs in the pendant lamp & 1 in the standard lamp), 4 in the lounge (4 in the pendant & 2 standard lamps), 5 inset roof lights in each of the bathrooms, 6 in the kitchen ceiling and 3 side lights over the cooker & work surfaces, all the bedrooms have a a ceiling light and two side lamps - they soon add up…:)

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You appear to have me confused with Can always trust you to come out with a cheap pointless inaccurate jibe… ;)

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How many are on for 2 hours? Also having that many just shows you don't give a toss about cost.

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I don’t know, as I didn’t do the research…

You might want to tell my kids I didn’t give a toss, the amount amount of times I told them to switch lights/tech off when they left rooms… :D

I live in a 4 bedroom house - the number of lights we have is about average for this sort of house (we don’t have lamps and main lights on at the same time - they each are for different purposes…).

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11 lamps here (2 of which are tubes).


£0.012 per hour for a 100w lamp is very cheap. At the rates I pay it would be £0.24 an hour (plus VAT).

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Maybe the halogen bulbs used for cooking are a lot stronger than the ones used for lighting??

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From what you say and tweetiepooh say, it's probably better to replace the bulbs most in use with LED lights until you have used up all of your stock. The bulbs that are replaced can be used in the other rooms when they fail.

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50,000 hours lifespan ?
I think the lifespan of LED bulbs is exaggerated, thats 5.5 years (if on 24 x 7).
I've had a number need replacing already, after 2/3 years, and not in 24/7 use either.

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This.

LED bulbs are particularly vulnerable to heat. I’ve had one fail after 12 months in an enclosed glass globe shade in the bathroom, and after a similarly short time in the kitchen close to the cooker. One of the ones in the room with our central heating stove failed after well under a year.

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Stop buying the cheap Chinese carp off ebay!:D:D:D:D

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I don't buy fish on Ebay at all. Imagine what a cheap Chinese carp would be like by the time it got to you?!

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I had a few GU10 LEDs a few years ago for the bathroom and kitchen that lasted about a year each if that.

However, subsequent GU10 bulbs I've bought have lasted several years and are still going strong, so perhaps the technology is getting better. All have been own-brand bought from DIY stores and supermarkets.

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It's usually heat dissipation that's the problem. The LEDs are not happy being hot. If you have recessed lighting, you need bulbs with much better heat sinks than exposed bulbs.

We have expensive aluminium finned GU10s for recessed lights, cheapo plastic bodied ones for hanging light fixtures and all have lasted at least three years (even with kids who leave lights on all the time)