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Mr K 20-07-2021 08:09

Olympics
 
Starts tomorrow unbelievably, although the opening ceremony won't be till the weekend.

Soccer: GB Women v Chile Women @8:30 am No spectators allowed :(

Shame we still can't agree between the 4 nations to get a men's team.

denphone 20-07-2021 09:00

Re: Olympics
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36086939)
Starts tomorrow unbelievably, although the opening ceremony won't be till the weekend.

Soccer: GB Women v Chile Women @8:30 am No spectators allowed :(

Shame we still can't agree between the 4 nations to get a men's team.

And on Wednesday is Baseball and softball two sports to pique your interest Mr K.

Mr K 20-07-2021 09:16

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36086949)
And on Wednesday is Baseball and softball two sports to pique your interest Mr K.

We should enter our 20/20 "cricket' team for Baseball. Same thing ;)

Damien 20-07-2021 09:45

Re: Olympics
 
Such a shame for Japan that their Olympics has to be like this. I think Tokyo would have been great hosts with everyone there.

nomadking 20-07-2021 09:51

Re: Olympics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36086939)
Starts tomorrow unbelievably, although the opening ceremony won't be till the weekend.

Soccer: GB Women v Chile Women @8:30 am No spectators allowed :(

Shame we still can't agree between the 4 nations to get a men's team.

There would be constant whinging from the Scots and Welsh.

The thinking also goes that if GB/UK can form a team, then there would be pressure for that to continue in other competitions.

tweetiepooh 20-07-2021 09:53

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I think that certain sports don't belong in the Olympics - soccer, rugby etc other than the quick smaller versions 5 a side/7's. It seems trying to squeeze in 90/80 minute games with just 2 teams in a full 2 week event is too much. The smaller format may allow more teams to compete and spectators could get to see multiple games within a time period.



I'd like to see field archery included along side target, especially 3D (shoot at models of animals). I think it would make interesting viewing. I'm biased being a toxophilite.


It is a shame about the changes needed because of Covid.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36086955)
There would be constant whinging from the Scots and Welsh.

The thinking also goes that if GB/UK can form a team, then there would be pressure for that to continue in other competitions.


Rugby manages with individual teams and the Lions. And that includes the fun with the Irish being from either side of "the border".

nomadking 20-07-2021 10:17

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36086956)
Rugby manages with individual teams and the Lions. And that includes the fun with the Irish being from either side of "the border".

I'm just repeating the reasons given some time ago to that question. Playing of Rugby is on a very different scale to football/soccer.
The separate football associations in the UK is a bit of anomaly. Historically just the way the sport developed.

TheDaddy 20-07-2021 10:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36086955)
There would be constant whinging from the Scots and Welsh.

The thinking also goes that if GB/UK can form a team, then there would be pressure for that to continue in other competitions.

No, the worry is England, Wales and Scotland all have a vote on the FIFA board or IFAB which decides the laws of the game, that's what might be in jeopardy with an amalgamated team

Not sure I'll bother with this olympics tbh, just seems a bit pointless

nomadking 20-07-2021 11:34

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36086971)
No, the worry is England, Wales and Scotland all have a vote on the FIFA board or IFAB which decides the laws of the game, that's what might be in jeopardy with an amalgamated team

Not sure I'll bother with this olympics tbh, just seems a bit pointless

Really where did you get that from? Not sure the FAs of the UK would be that bothered by only having a single vote. Mine was from an actual news report, some time ago.
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They each established their own football associations and national teams before the start of the modern Olympic movement.
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Ongoing concerns that FIFA could eventually force the home nations to field a unified men's team in all competitions prevented Great Britain's participation in Tokyo.
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The FIFA council only has one UK member out of 37, and that is as a representative of UEFA, not UK.
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IFAB was created by the UK FAs and then FIFA joined it.
The International Football Association Board (The IFAB) was founded in 1886 by the four British football associations (The FA, Scottish FA, FA of Wales and Irish FA) as the worldwide body with sole responsibility for developing and preserving the Laws of the Game.
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FIFA joined in 1913, completing the current board of The IFAB and representing nowadays the 207 national associations that exist worldwide.

TheDaddy 20-07-2021 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36086979)
Really where did you get that from? Not sure the FAs of the UK would be that bothered by only having a single vote. Mine was from an actual news report, some time ago.
Link
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The FIFA council only has one UK member out of 37, and that is as a representative of UEFA, not UK.
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From the opposition to the 2012 Olympic team and they are bothered, it's not even like even joined together we can out vote fifa as they have seven votes and we have three combined but for some reason it really matters to Scotland and Wales FA's, suppose it is quite prestigious. I remember them saying their independence was at stake as teams but I can't believe they were that concerned by that really

denphone 20-07-2021 13:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36086954)
Such a shame for Japan that their Olympics has to be like this. I think Tokyo would have been great hosts with everyone there.

l agree as sport can be very soulless without spectators there.

Chris 20-07-2021 13:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36086981)
From the opposition to the 2012 Olympic team and they are bothered, it's not even like even joined together we can out vote fifa as they have seven votes and we have three combined but for some reason it really matters to Scotland and Wales FA's, suppose it is quite prestigious. I remember them saying their independence was at stake as teams but I can't believe they were that concerned by that really

FIFA has repeatedly stated that it is not interested in forcing the home nations to combine. It stated this with particular force prior to 2012 when the desirability of a Team GB entry in the football competitions was especially strong.

It suits the Welsh and the Scottish FAs to push this line but really it’s just a fig leaf for their own sense of inferiority, most likely because any GB football team is inevitably going to be dominated by English players and management. History has gifted these two FAs a level of influence they could never earn or pay for and they’re extremely paranoid about losing it.

TheDaddy 20-07-2021 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36086993)
FIFA has repeatedly stated that it is not interested in forcing the home nations to combine. It stated this with particular force prior to 2012 when the desirability of a Team GB entry in the football competitions was especially strong.

It suits the Welsh and the Scottish FAs to push this line but really it’s just a fig leaf for their own sense of inferiority, most likely because any GB football team is inevitably going to be dominated by English players and management. History has gifted these two FAs a level of influence they could never earn or pay for and they’re extremely paranoid about losing it.

Succinctly put and entirely accurate imo

Hom3r 21-07-2021 09:47

Re: Olympics
 
I'm going to watch Skateboarding with the 13-year-old Sky Brown, the youngest to represent our country.


Last year she had a serious accident, and if she wasn't wearing her helmet she would have died.


She is highly rated.

Mr K 22-07-2021 07:46

Re: Olympics
 
Just watched a bit of softball, just like baseball but more tedious. God knows how either got in the Olympics. Probably something to do with US networks and money.

They need some proper sports like rugby, cricket, tiddlywinks...

Anyway Sweden are beating the US 1-0 at soccerball so that's all good :)

iadom 25-07-2021 12:41

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Not watch any of it yet, whole thing seems like a damp squib. Then I find out that the Beeb is only allowed two feeds because Discovery have bought out the rights.☹️
So is everyone just making do with whatever crumbs the BBC can get?

denphone 25-07-2021 15:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36087390)
Not watch any of it yet, whole thing seems like a damp squib. Then I find out that the Beeb is only allowed two feeds because Discovery have bought out the rights.☹️
So is everyone just making do with whatever crumbs the BBC can get?

Sadly the control of the rights were lost 6 years ago.:(

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...very-eurosport

Carth 25-07-2021 16:14

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Caught some Olympics today - wife was watching it - seemed all studio chat and no action to me :shrug:

admars 25-07-2021 16:32

Re: Olympics
 
If you hunt on BBC website you can find a lot of it, they just can't stream it live now,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...utton-00000400


I watched the men's street skateboarding earlier, will watch the women's tomorrow and the park later in the week. Sky Brown is amazing, she's winning competitions competing against skaters older and more experienced than her, and she always looks like she's having so much fun, as she gets older, and bigger, she'll get even better as will be able to get more height, and go faster, you can see towards the end of her runs she's knackered as she can't get the same momentum as the older skaters so has to pump so much more.

I'm interested in watching the sports climbing, and the bmx events, and will probably follow the women's football as Team GB progress.

tweetiepooh 26-07-2021 12:41

Re: Olympics
 
Want to watch the archery but the silly rights mean it's hidden away or snippets here and there. Something should be done to protect events like the Olympics but the money is so big now that more minor sports will not get shown on "national" stations.


I think the nationals maybe should focus more on the minority sports that don't normally get any airtime rather than the bigger sports that get shown more frequently but I guess the rational is to show what's got the biggest audience.

Paul 26-07-2021 23:56

Re: Olympics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36087390)
Not watch any of it yet, whole thing seems like a damp squib. Then I find out that the Beeb is only allowed two feeds because Discovery have bought out the rights.☹️
So is everyone just making do with whatever crumbs the BBC can get?

I can safely say I would not miss it if no one had any rights. :D

Damien 27-07-2021 09:48

Re: Olympics
 
Big mistake from the IOC to give it to a paywalled service, a paywalled service that no one else even.

The Olympics aren't popular enough for people to actively seek it out and pay more as they do for the Premier League and football generally. All this means is a much smaller audience which will hit their ability to sell sponsorships and even the value of the TV rights later down the line.

nomadking 27-07-2021 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36087544)
Big mistake from the IOC to give it to a paywalled service, a paywalled service that no one else even.

The Olympics aren't popular enough for people to actively seek it out and pay more as they do for the Premier League and football generally. All this means is a much smaller audience which will hit their ability to sell sponsorships and even the value of the TV rights later down the line.

So how do other countries around the world deal with it? The costs of broadcasting it has to be funded somehow. With the UK FTA channels it would be via the licence fee or by advertising.

BenMcr 27-07-2021 10:51

Re: Olympics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36087544)
Big mistake from the IOC to give it to a paywalled service, a paywalled service that no one else even.

The Olympics aren't popular enough for people to actively seek it out and pay more as they do for the Premier League and football generally. All this means is a much smaller audience which will hit their ability to sell sponsorships and even the value of the TV rights later down the line.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36087548)
So how do other countries around the world deal with it? The costs of broadcasting it has to be funded somehow. With the UK FTA channels it would be via the licence fee or by advertising.

It was a Europe wide deal apparently

https://www.sportspromedia.com/from-...lion-discovery

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After what Perrette describes as a “multi-month conversation” with IOC president Thomas Bach, television and marketing services managing director Timo Lumme and Olympic Games executive director Christophe Dubi, a landmark €1.3 billion contract was signed in June 2015. Discovery and Eurosport had taken the rights across 50 territories – all of Europe except Russia – to all Olympic Games until 2024.

tweetiepooh 27-07-2021 10:57

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Some countries have small contingent in small number of events, only pay for those.
Some countries have fewer TV's. Do they bother much at all or just take free scraps?
Some countries have more hackers getting it free and sharing?
The real enthusiasts will pay to watch their sport/stars.


It's mostly countries like the UK with large spread teams and large spread audience that lose out being used to near total coverage "free".


I guess we will find out post event if the pay walling worked. Was there enough income to match the money paid for "exclusive" coverage? If not it may not get repeated and the IOC will have to do with offers from national broadcasters like in the past.

nomadking 27-07-2021 11:26

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36087555)
It was a Europe wide deal apparently

https://www.sportspromedia.com/from-...lion-discovery

That €1.3 billion has to be recouped somehow.
Still leaves the question of how else would those countries fund it.
The key platform nowadays is streaming, with gives the widest coverage of events to the widest potential audience. It doesn't limit viewers to cable or satellite.
With Virgin Media cable, I have 9 Eurosport HD Olympic channels plus a UHD one, all at no extra cost.

Carth 27-07-2021 11:45

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I've always wondered what would happen if the 'bidding' for something didn't reach an acceptable level.

Not that it would ever happen in a world of corporate greed, but it's a pleasant thought :D


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