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Mick	13-07-2021 17:49

Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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A man who killed two schoolgirls is to be released from prison.
Colin Pitchfork has served 33 years in jail for raping and murdering 15-year-olds Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth in the 1980s.
Last month the Parole Board said it was safe to release the 61-year-old, who was the first murderer to be convicted using DNA evidence.
This led to a challenge by Justice Secretary Robert Buckland which has now been "refused" by a judge-led review.

Strict licence conditions:

The justice secretary intervened on the grounds the decision to free Pitchfork was "irrational" because the Parole Board panel "failed to give sufficient reasons" as to why it agreed with the evidence provided by professional witnesses.

Judge Michael Topolski QC, who reviewed the decision for the Parole Board, said he did not consider it "irrational" and concluded the "application for reconsideration is refused".

He added: "This was and remains a case of considerable seriousness, complexity and notoriety. The terrible consequences of the brutal rapes and murders of two innocent girls will forever darken the lives of the families concerned."
Pitchfork's release will be subject to strict licence conditions.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said: "We are disappointed with this outcome given we felt there were grounds for the decision to be reconsidered, but respect the independent judge's decision.

"Our sympathies remain with the families of Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth but they can be reassured that Pitchfork will be subject to close probation supervision for life and faces an immediate return to prison if he fails to comply with his licence conditions.

"The Lord Chancellor has launched a Root and Branch review of the parole system, which will report back later this year, and we are changing the law so that child murderers such as Pitchfork face life in prison without the possibility of parole as the default sentence."

Disgusting decision. :afire:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...e-57737050.amp

Mad Max

13-07-2021 18:08

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Should have been hung from the nearest tree!

heero_yuy

13-07-2021 18:19

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36086149)

Should have been hung from the nearest tree!

And not by the neck.

Mad Max

13-07-2021 18:20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36086156)

And not by the neck.

:clap::clap:

papa smurf

13-07-2021 19:34

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He was sentenced by the court and has served his time, he is now considered not to be a threat by the parole board, so that as they say is that, had he been sentenced today he would serve a whole of life term, but you can't change the rules once he has served his time.
he won't find life easy out of prison as the public will just hound him where ever he goes.

RichardCoulter

13-07-2021 21:06

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He's not going to find modern life easy to adjust to either.

When he went to prison there were only 4 TV channels, no Internet, mobiles etc.

Now everything is run by computer & there is a lot more traffic.

TheDaddy

13-07-2021 21:14

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36086149)

Should have been hung from the nearest tree!

Still might be

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086172)

Oh the poor man, best to have kept him locked up then

jfman

13-07-2021 23:27

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086172)

This ain’t The Shawshank Redemption.

1andrew1

14-07-2021 00:57

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086172)

I imagine those are the least of his problems!

Mad Max

14-07-2021 01:19

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36086165)

Unfortunately, his time served was not what it should have been in any normal circumstances, the law in this country for those murderous b astards is so wrong IMO it beggar's belief, the judge setting him on parole should be jailed for incompetence, absolutely unbelievable.

Paul	14-07-2021 04:50

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What incompetance ?
I imagine he was [impartially] following the law, and taking into account advice.

TheDaddy

14-07-2021 06:12

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36086191)

There was no judge, it was a parole panel and the parole panel were following the law, it's not them that's the ass it's the law

Pierre

14-07-2021 10:22

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If someone murdered over a crime of passion, a fit of pique or you were in a gang or criminal fraternity etc, you know what I mean. I believe there is a chance of rehabilitation.

But this guy raped two “children” and then murdered them.

I don’t think you should ever see the outside of a prison cell for that kind of crime.

There’s lots of casual low level offenders in prison taking up time and resources that are not really a danger to society and for who prison does not help them or us and then there’s people like him the world is a better place with him locked away.

I don’t believe in the death penalty but for the real evil *******s, they should stay locked up.

Mick	14-07-2021 12:07

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36086202)

It’s beggars belief this evil prick wants to be freed. It’s like Moors Murderer, Myra Hindley wanting her freedom in the 90’s, she would have been lynched the day she was freed. Thankfully, she died of cancer, but I remember at the time there was a little campaign to free her claiming she was a reformed character. I think regardless of how one changes their character, they can’t ever change their evil deeds of the past.

This Pitchfork *******, took his young baby son along with him and left him in the car during one of the murders. He then coerced a colleague to take a DNA test, he was eventually caught when 5,000 men in his area, had to do a DNA test.

Hom3r

14-07-2021 12:45

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In the UK, we do concurrent sentences, but for these type of crimes it should be consecutive

That way, people like him would do a minimum 60+ years

nomadking

14-07-2021 13:21

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36086197)

There was no judge, it was a parole panel and the parole panel were following the law, it's not them that's the ass it's the law

That "law" you talk about is simply that they are allowed to make a judgement as to whether it's safe to release him. There is no law that said they had to automatically release him.

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"However, Parole Board panels are bound by law to assess whether a prisoner is safe to release," the statement said. "Legislation dictates that a panel's decision must be solely focused on what risk a prisoner may pose on release and whether that risk can be managed in the community.

Strangely enough the thing that might deter him from reoffending, is DNA evidence.

TheDaddy

14-07-2021 15:01

Re: Convicted Child Killer Colin Pitchfork to be Released by Parole board

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36086202)

Raped and killed children in two separate incidents three years apart, I think that's significant

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36086216)

That "law" you talk about is simply that they are allowed to make a judgement as to whether it's safe to release him. There is no law that said they had to automatically release him.

Strangely enough the thing that might deter him from reoffending, is DNA evidence.

Yes and that's the law they were following, you really will argue over nothing, back on ignore you go

nomadking

14-07-2021 17:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36086232)

Raped and killed children in two separate incidents three years apart, I think that's significant

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Yes and that's the law they were following, you really will argue over nothing, back on ignore you go

You implied they had no choice in the matter, eg he had served the whole sentence.
In essence, I've only said what others have said, in that he will never be safe to release because of the nature of his crimes.

nashville

14-07-2021 18:42

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he should never be let out,

ThunderPants73

14-07-2021 21:35

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My compadre has just said that the only way he should be released is from 30,000 feet with a bungee cord tied to his tackle. Pretty much.

pip08456

14-07-2021 21:45

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Originally Posted by ThunderPants73 (Post 36086265)

My compadre has just said that the only way he should be released is from 30,000 feet with a bungee cord tied to his tackle. Pretty much.

A 31,000 foot bungee cord.

mrmistoffelees

15-07-2021 12:17

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Keep him locked up indefinitely ? Absolutely.

As it's widely known that capital punishment plays no significant role in reducing offences being commited. You have to wonder whether the people who call for it are motivated by justice ? or, by revenge ?

TheDaddy

15-07-2021 15:22

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36086241)

Don't remember saying they had to let him out as he'd served his sentence? Where they didn't have a choice was because they've concluded under the terms of his licence the public will be safe from further offending and that is the only thing they can legally base a decision on and that's why it's an ass

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086295)

You won't find a bigger proponent of rehabilitation of offenders than me, it was my job for years after all but in some specific individuals cases rehabilitation should go out the window in favour of punishment, they should be locked up and the key literally thrown away

OLD BOY

15-07-2021 18:56

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086295)

Keep him locked up indefinitely ? Absolutely.

As it's widely known that capital punishment plays no significant role in reducing offences being commited. You have to wonder whether the people who call for it are motivated by justice ? or, by revenge ?

It saves a lot of money, though. :D

RichardCoulter

15-07-2021 19:51

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36086352)

It saves a lot of money, though. :D

Taking his life makes society as bad as what it put him in prison for though.

Also, it means that such people get away with what they did (in this life anyway). Far better for them to be denied their freedom and have a long, long time to have a think about what they did.

Finally, if it turns out that they were innocent, there's no coming back from death.

Paul	16-07-2021 04:15

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086362)

Finally, if it turns out that they were innocent, there's no coming back from death.

Do you think he was innocent ?

RichardCoulter

16-07-2021 17:59

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086414)

Do you think he was innocent ?

I very much doubt it; I was speaking in general terms though as opposed to this particular case.

There have been cases where convictions have been overturned for criminal acts that would have attracted the death penalty had it been in force at the time of the original conviction. People can be let out of prison & compensated, but not be brought back to life.

Dude111

17-07-2021 09:38

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Should have been hung from the nearest tree!

Why wasnt he??

What asshole is letting him out?

papa smurf

17-07-2021 09:56

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36086543)

Why wasnt he??

What asshole is letting him out?

In this country we have a different system to the usa,we administer justice not revenge.

OLD BOY

17-07-2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36086551)

In this country we have a different system to the usa,we administer justice not revenge.

That's all very well, papa, but where's the justice for the victim and their family?

If somebody can so casually take someone else's life, they should not be walking the planet.

Mick	17-07-2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36086551)

In this country we have a different system to the usa,we administer justice not revenge.

Letting a multiple sick and twisted child rapist and killer live, is not adequate justice in my eyes.

papa smurf

17-07-2021 12:56

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36086561)

That's all very well, papa, but where's the justice for the victim and their family?

If somebody can so casually take someone else's life, they should not be walking the planet.

The law says he has paid his debt to society and that as they say is that, if people aren't happy with the laws of this country they should campaign to change them before sentencing not after the law says the debt has been paid.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086562)

Letting a multiple sick and twisted child rapist and killer live, is not adequate justice in my eyes.

i understand that but we do not have the death penalty any more ,and i doubt we will see it re introduced.

Mad Max

17-07-2021 21:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36086551)

In this country we have a different system to the usa,we administer justice not revenge.

Justice, LMFAO,tell that to the parents of the poor wee girls that were raped and murdered.

Dude111

17-07-2021 22:20

Indeed so,the whole thing is horribly sad......

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