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joglynne 20-06-2021 12:15
Climate Change
 
LAND PROJECTED TO BE BELOW ANNUAL FLOOD LEVEL IN 2050

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Improved elevation data indicates far greater global threats from sea level rise and coastal flooding than previously thought, and thus greater benefits from reducing their causes.
I found this on line and thought others might find it interesting. I will be long gone before the predictions for 2050 but my son and his family will certainly be around to we see the changes to our coastlines if these predictions are accurate. Just add your chosen location top right.

https://coastal.climatecentral.org/m...odel=kopp_2014

Carth 20-06-2021 12:34
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I'll be long gone too

I sometimes look at these prediction maps and wonder how many nuclear power plants are in areas that could be affected

Not that it probably makes much difference considering the amount of crap dumped in the sea years ago . . sitting there quietly festering :shocked:

Mr K 20-06-2021 12:50
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By far the biggest threat facing us, not that you'd know it, given our obsession with everything else. Forget covid and nuclear weapons.

'Not going to happen in my lifetime' is typical of this selfish generation (and may not be right) Things seemed to be accelerating faster than we thought and heating may now be irreversible, as we've passed the tipping point.
https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b1867876.html

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The scientist who led the largest-ever research expedition to the Arctic has suggested that the tipping point for irreversible global heating may have already been reached.

Dr Markus Rex, an atmospheric physicist, made the comments earlier this week as he presented the initial findings of the North Pole expedition which involved 442 experts from 20 countries.

The disappearance of summer sea ice in the Arctic is one of the first landmines in this minefield, one of the tipping points that we set off first when we push warming too far,”

nomadking 20-06-2021 13:07
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Devon Island, inside the Arctic Circle, had grasses and other plants just 9,000 years ago. It's now covered in ice. How? The glaciers there are melting because of geothermal warming, ie natural causes. Manhattan was covered by 2,00ft of ice that started to melt just as "recently" as 16,000 BC. What caused the melting, if not Natural Climate Change?

Mr K 20-06-2021 13:15
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36083930)
Devon Island, inside the Arctic Circle, had grasses and other plants just 9,000 years ago. It's now covered in ice. How? The glaciers there are melting because of geothermal warming, ie natural causes. Manhattan was covered by 2,00ft of ice that started to melt just as "recently" as 16,000 BC. What caused the melting, if not Natural Climate Change?
Look at the rates of temperate increase compared to any natural change in the past if you're really interested. . Its much, much faster and concides with the increase in CO2 levels over the last century ( not tens of thousands of years of past natural change)

I'm afraid is misinformation like yours, short term profiteering, and not wanting to face 'an unconvienient truth' that have caused us to pass the point of no return.

OLD BOY 20-06-2021 13:24
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I seem to recall that there was a mini-ice age a few centuries ago. That certainly wasn’t the fault of man. The climate is quite capable of sudden changes, but fortunately it doesn’t happen as a regular occurrence.

While the general consensus in the scientific community is that the warming of the planet is man made, we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that climate change can be due to other factors such as cyclical variations in solar radiation, variations in the orbit of the Earth, changes in sea currents, etc.

joglynne 20-06-2021 13:35
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36083933)
I seem to recall that there was a mini-ice age a few centuries ago. That certainly wasn’t the fault of man. The climate is quite capable of sudden changes, but fortunately it doesn’t happen as a regular occurrence.
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The Little Ice Age was a period from about 1300 to 1870 when Europe and North America experienced much colder winters than we do today. Paintings from the Little Ice Age show us what it was like.

There were two phases, the first of which ran from about 1300 to 1500. Then came a slightly warmer period in the 1500s, followed by the second phase when climate deteriorated substantially.
https://fiveminutehistory.com/20-ama...ittle-ice-age/

Just as an aside. The 11th painting "Breaking the Ice by George Morland, 1792" in the above article has been a favourite one of mine for a long time.

nomadking 20-06-2021 13:50
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083931)
Look at the rates of temperate increase compared to any natural change in the past if you're really interested. . Its much, much faster and concides with the increase in CO2 levels over the last century ( not tens of thousands of years of past natural change)

I'm afraid is misinformation like yours, short term profiteering, and not wanting to face 'an unconvienient truth' that have caused us to pass the point of no return.
Regardless of alleged rates of change, the extreme changes happened. There can be no disputing that.
At one time not so long ago, it was possible to grow grape vines in Norway. Nowadays only specially bred vines can grow as far north as SE England.
They can't claim Polar Bears are at risk from less ice, when they've somehow managed to get through periods of less or even too much ice.
Canada was pretty much all covered by thick ice(eg Laurentide Ice Sheet), it isn't nowadays. How, if not from Natural(ie not man-made) Global Climate Change?:confused:
There used to be claims about Acid Rain. They were (unsurprisingly) not only found to be false, but a large chunk of Acid Rain arose from natural sources(eg volcanic activity). Just as the melting of glaciers on Devon Island(largest uninhabited Island) is down to geothermal warming,

Taf 20-06-2021 14:06
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We live on an "historical flood plain" now protected by 4m high dykes, but still unable to get flood insurance. But the map shows we shall be a seaside village if these predictions ever happen.

But we'll be a very cold place, as the Gulf Stream will be gone by then.

Sephiroth 20-06-2021 16:41
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36083933)
I seem to recall that there was a mini-ice age a few centuries ago. That certainly wasn’t the fault of man. The climate is quite capable of sudden changes, but fortunately it doesn’t happen as a regular occurrence.

While the general consensus in the scientific community is that the warming of the planet is man made, we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that climate change can be due to other factors such as cyclical variations in solar radiation, variations in the orbit of the Earth, changes in sea currents, etc.
Furthermore, all that man has done is to bring climate change forward by 150 years. Nothing we can do about the natural world cycles.

papa smurf 20-06-2021 18:28
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I've put mooring cleats on the facia boards ;)

Paul 20-06-2021 19:32
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Looks like my Grandkids will have a shorter trip to the east coast.

Sephiroth 20-06-2021 20:22
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Lincs & Netherlands are toast.

Hom3r 23-06-2021 10:45
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.

Sephiroth 23-06-2021 13:09
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.

Spot on. Blame? Must be the Tories.


joglynne 23-06-2021 13:16
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.
I didn't view this map as scaremongering. Or that it's publisher was a
"Climate Crisis idiot" merely rehashing the way the earth cycles through the waxing and waning of ice ages over billions of years. I took it to be more of a heads up of how this particular warming will effect us.

Millions of years ago there were no large permanent human settlements that needed to be relocated but now we have human settlements that, in some cases, house millions of people.

Surely there is case for the effects of rising sea levels to be considered, especially when we live on an island where being able to live safely around our coasts has been something we have taken for granted

Or would you rather we wait and see? I am sure that countries such as the Netherlands aren't sitting back refusing to acknowledge what is going to happen. In fact they have been actively planning for several years.
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snippet from 2019 .... “Here we’re making the dike 2 meters higher,” said Silvia Mosterd, who works for the waterschap Noorderzijlvest, one of 21 regional water boards in the Netherlands responsible for local flood controls and water quality. She climbed up a 10-meter high, muddy sea dike near the town of Delfzijl, while truck after truck dumped a mixture of sand and gravel on the dike, a foundation for the asphalt that will cover part of the dike on the sea side.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-p...limate-change/

1andrew1 23-06-2021 15:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36084148)
I didn't view this map as scaremongering. Or that it's publisher was a
"Climate Crisis idiot" merely rehashing the way the earth cycles through the waxing and waning of ice ages over billions of years. I took it to be more of a heads up of how this particular warming will effect us.

Millions of years ago there were no large permanent human settlements that needed to be relocated but now we have human settlements that, in some cases, house millions of people.

Surely there is case for the effects of rising sea levels to be considered, especially when we live on an island where being able to live safely around our coasts has been something we have taken for granted

Or would you rather we wait and see? I am sure that countries such as the Netherlands aren't sitting back refusing to acknowledge what is going to happen. In fact they have been actively planning for several years.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-p...limate-change/
Agreed. Alternatively, you can put your head in the sand but you'll still get wet!

mrmistoffelees 23-06-2021 15:31
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.

I think everyone agrees that climate change is a naturally occurring repetitive event.

The dispute is that these 'Climate Crisis Idiots' believe that the actions we are currently taking accelerate & excarebate the natural cycle.

Paul 24-06-2021 01:28
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36084158)
The dispute is that these 'Climate Crisis Idiots' believe that the actions we are currently taking accelerate & excarebate the natural cycle.
In effect, yes.

The Earth now it about as cool (overall) as it ever gets, and it was always going to get warmer.

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.

Mr K 24-06-2021 07:28
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084198)
In effect, yes.

The Earth now it about as cool (overall) as it ever gets, and it was always going to get warmer.

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.
Make that a lot quicker than would naturally happen, and irreversibly out of control.

There is a difference between natural climate change over millions of years and man made over 100 years.

Damien 24-06-2021 09:33
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084198)

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.
Yes but a lot quicker. Previous periods of warming took geological generations, not human ones. I believe it took something like 10,000 years to warm by 5 c preceding the previous ice age.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.
The earth will survive global warming. The question is what becomes of humans which is, selfishly from my point of view, the biggest concern.

We can adapt to the gradual change of natural global warming when it takes thousands of years to happen. 10,000 years ago we were only just learning about basic crops and had yet to form civilisations, give us another 10,000 years and we might well learn how to control the climate or terraform other planets.

Even if we can't giving us thousands of extra years before things go wrong is better than them happening in the next hundred years.

tweetiepooh 24-06-2021 11:03
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Bit like the pandemic - if you talk about large populations then loss of some isn't much of a problem so rising levels -> loss of some people and infrastucture -> rebalancing -> less pollution -> cooling -> back to "new" normal.
But if it's you/your community affected it's no longer just a statistic.

OLD BOY 25-06-2021 19:38
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36084202)
Make that a lot quicker than would naturally happen, and irreversibly out of control.

There is a difference between natural climate change over millions of years and man made over 100 years.
There is no proof that these changes are ‘irreversible’. That’s just the hype of the fanatics.

Earth has been much warmer than this in the past.

Damien 25-06-2021 19:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084340)
There is no proof that these changes are ‘irreversible’. That’s just the hype of the fanatics.

Earth has been much warmer than this in the past.
Yes but again not whilst humans have been so populous and civilisations existed. Mass migration, the food chain disrupted, people living in conditions for which they're not adapted, new diseases and water shortages would all be some consequences we would face.

And again earth warmed much, much slower so the life that did exist would adapt over thousands of years. Not within a couple of generations.

OLD BOY 25-06-2021 19:56
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36084342)
Yes but again not whilst humans have been so populous and civilisations existed. Mass migration, the food chain disrupted, people living in conditions for which they're not adapted, new diseases and water shortages would all be some consequences we would face.

And again earth warmed much, much slower so the life that did exist would adapt over thousands of years. Not within a couple of generations.
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:

Carth 25-06-2021 20:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
I'm ok with the warmer climate, grapes, oranges and bananas should be readily available. I draw the line at those scorpions and big bloody spiders though :shocked:

Mad Max 25-06-2021 20:23
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36084359)
I'm ok with the warmer climate, grapes, oranges and bananas should be readily available. I draw the line at those scorpions and big bloody spiders though :shocked:
Woos....;)

Hugh 25-06-2021 20:30
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
We’re talking about hundreds of millions of people, not a couple of families…

nomadking 25-06-2021 20:47
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As I've previously pointed out, a mere 9,000 years ago Devon Island in Canada within the Arctic Circle was warm enough to grow plants, and yet nowadays is covered in ice and glaciers and is too cold and inhospitable to be inhabited. That's a blink of the eye in geological terms.

GrimUpNorth 25-06-2021 20:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
Except when we melt enough of the polar ice and the fresh water disrupts the North Atlantic Conveyor, the corresponding changes to the Gulf Stream could well result in our climate becoming colder which would pretty much screw up your plans!

Mad Max 25-06-2021 21:01
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36084367)
Except when we melt enough of the polar ice and the fresh water disrupts the North Atlantic Conveyor, the corresponding changes to the Gulf Stream could well result in our climate becoming colder which would pretty much screw up your plans!

Spot on.

Hugh 25-06-2021 21:18
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36084365)
As I've previously pointed out, a mere 9,000 years ago Devon Island in Canada within the Arctic Circle was warm enough to grow plants, and yet nowadays is covered in ice and glaciers and is too cold and inhospitable to be inhabited. That's a blink of the eye in geological terms.
As has been previously pointed out, this happened over centuries - we are accelerating the process.

nomadking 25-06-2021 21:20
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I thought the Climate Change crowd are saying that temperatures are going to rise? If it does cool down that will reverse the thermal expansion component of predicted sea level rises.

Hugh 25-06-2021 21:25
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"The climate change crowd"?

GrimUpNorth 25-06-2021 21:31
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36084372)
I thought the Climate Change crowd are saying that temperatures are going to rise? If it does cool down that will reverse the thermal expansion component of predicted sea level rises.
Just have a read up on the impacts of fresh water in the North Atlantic and it'll tell you everything you need to know. I'm surprised you didn't give us any links or quotes :confused:

nomadking 25-06-2021 21:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084371)
As has been previously pointed out, this happened over centuries - we are accelerating the process.
Devon island went from greenery to thick ice over a period of 9,000 years. That's a very big change which must have happened in shorter stages. Broken up into periods of a few centuries at a time is still large natural changes. Split the 9,000 years into just 30 chunks of 3 centuries, and you still have a large change over each 300 years.


Just because that found a plant that is 9,000 years old, doesn't meant that was when all plant life ended on the island. It might've happened just 3,000 years ago.

Carth 25-06-2021 21:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084375)
"The climate change crowd"?
He probably means those clever enlightened chaps that jet off halfway around the world just to remind people not to leave their TV on standby overnight.

nomadking 25-06-2021 21:39
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36084376)
Just have a read up on the impacts of fresh water in the North Atlantic and it'll tell you everything you need to know. I'm surprised you didn't give us any links or quotes :confused:
The Devon Island thing was in a TV documentary episode of "Arctic Secrets".
How have past predictions of sea level changes gone? Any of them remotely correct?
"Thermal expansion" is where sea levels rise because of warming of the seas cause the water to expand. If the seas cool down, that thermal expansion will obviously reverse.

OLD BOY 26-06-2021 10:25
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36084367)
Except when we melt enough of the polar ice and the fresh water disrupts the North Atlantic Conveyor, the corresponding changes to the Gulf Stream could well result in our climate becoming colder which would pretty much screw up your plans!
No need to be too concerned about the warming, then! We'll have to start burning more fossil fuels to warm the planet up again...;)

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36084380)
The Devon Island thing was in a TV documentary episode of "Arctic Secrets".
How have past predictions of sea level changes gone? Any of them remotely correct?
"Thermal expansion" is where sea levels rise because of warming of the seas cause the water to expand. If the seas cool down, that thermal expansion will obviously reverse.
The Maldives were meant to be under water by now, weren't they?

joglynne 26-06-2021 10:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084404)
No need to be too concerned about the warming, then! We'll have to start burning more fossil fuels to warm the planet up again...;)

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The Maldives were meant to be under water by now, weren't they?
I don't think that you can use the Maldives to try to back up some peoples dismissal of rising sea levels.

They have always been under threat.

There's is very comprehensive 2021 article by The Earth Observatory (nasa can hardly be described as Climate crisis idiots) and you will see what is happening in the Maldives to try to ensure their survival.
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snippet ..With more than 80 percent of its 1,190 coral islands standing less than 1 meter above sea level, the Maldives has the lowest terrain of any country in the world. This makes the archipelago in the Indian Ocean particularly vulnerable to sea level rise.
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snippet ...While the Maldives government has explored plans to purchase land on higher ground in other countries as an insurance policy against sea level rise, planners are also working to enhance the resilience of the country’s current islands. One example is Hulhumalé, a newly constructed artificial island northeast of the capital, Malé.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/im...n-the-maldives

RichardCoulter 09-08-2021 19:51
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Today's news has confirmed that we are now seeing the effects of our past actions on the planet:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/scie...nment-58142632

I am surprised that it has started happening so quickly though.

nomadking 09-08-2021 20:21
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Glaciers have been melting for thousands of years, not just the last few hundred.
Link

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To observe a Holocene environment, simply look around you! The Holocene is the name given to the last 11,700 years* of the Earth's history — the time since the end of the last major glacial epoch, or "ice age." Since then, there have been small-scale climate shifts — notably the "Little Ice Age" between about 1200 and 1700 A.D. — but in general, the Holocene has been a relatively warm period in between ice ages.

Chris 09-08-2021 20:32
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36089168)
Glaciers have been melting for thousands of years, not just the last few hundred.
Link
It’s the rapidity of the change, not the change itself, that is the issue.

Sephiroth 09-08-2021 20:33
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36089161)
Today's news has confirmed that we are now seeing the effects of our past actions on the planet:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/scie...nment-58142632

I am surprised that it has started happening so quickly though.
Lorry driver shortage, mate.

nomadking 09-08-2021 20:54
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Link

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Recent changes to Lake Hazen, the world’s largest high-Arctic lake, are from increased heat flow from the area’s known geological features, and not from global warming as per the many alarmist media reports.
vidence supporting this is abundant and reliable.Northeast Canada’s Lake Hazen lies adjacent to the world-class Greenland/Iceland mantle plume (Figure 2).
Mantle plumes are narrow streams of deep inner earth sourced hot rock that spread like a ‘mushroom’ cap beneath the Earth’s surface.
They act to significantly warm overlying rocks, warm and chemically alter overlying oceans, and melt overlying ice masses.
Research by the University of Kansas has confirmed the results of three previous studies all indicating that geothermal heat flow from the Greenland/Iceland mantle plume is the dominant and likely sole cause of anomalous Greenland ice sheet melting. (see here, here, here, and here).
The ground-warming and ice-melting power of this geological feature are estimated to cover 720,000 square miles extending from the northern edge of Ellesmere Island to the eastern shore of Iceland.
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Other subglacial lakes in Greenland and Antarctica contain fresh water, generated by melting at the base of the ice. Geothermal heat rises from the underlying rock, and is insulated by the thick ice sheet above.


The Canadian ice sheet is not thick enough to provide this insulation

Chris 09-08-2021 21:00
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36089179)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …

1andrew1 09-08-2021 21:23
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089182)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.
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James has developed the Plate Climatology Theory entirely on his own non-working hour time and with no funding from BTA Oil Producers LLC or any other entity.

He is also proud to state that he is an actively practicing Christian who believes science and spirituality are completely compatible. However, he developed the Plate Climatology Theory entirely based on scientific observations, geological intuition and inclusion of many published scientific research articles, many geological in nature.

The Plate Climatology Theory is built on the premise that there is a strong connection between geology and climate. The theory is intended to promote interaction between many branches of science primarily; geology, climatology, meteorology, biology, and oceanography. As such, it is not intended to debunk the Global Warming Theory, rather it is intended to offer a alternative theory that explains observed natural phenomenon.

The basic tenants of the Plate Climatology are sound; however it is a working theory which like all theories will likely need modification. This is invited, because that is how science should operate, formulate a good theory and then put it to many tests.

The development and intent of this theory is in no way politically motivated. It is not an attempt to demean any particular political group, university, government agency or group of scientists. James does in fact believe that climate scientists have been “atmospherically” biased in their interpretation of many observed climate trends and climate related. He believes that the vast majority of these scientists are highly skilled and dedicated individuals. James does not subscribe to utilizing his Plate Climatology Theory as a political or personal weapon to demean others. They have the right to disagree with this theory.

Mr K 09-08-2021 22:16
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We'll act, but not till it personally affects us, which will be too late. Tbh it probably already is too.late, but at least we should try.

Brexit, covid, elections and all the other cobblers will be irrelevant as we've continually ignored the main threat.

RichardCoulter 09-08-2021 22:19
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I like the beginning of the last paragraph, this is too serious to play party politics with. Our very survival as a species is at stake (unless another pandemic gets us first)!

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36089200)
We'll act, but not till it personally affects us, which will be too late. Tbh it probably already is too.late, but at least we should try.

Brexit, covid, elections and all the other cobblers will be irrelevant as we've continually ignored the main threat.
Totally agree. My life here is heading towards the end, but we need to think about the younger generations.

Mr K 09-08-2021 22:26
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36089201)
I like the beginning of the last paragraph, this is too serious to play party politics with. Our very survival as a species is at stake (unless another pandemic gets us first)!
Covid is a cake walk in comparison to climate change.

We're just too thick and consumerist I'm afraid.to make the necessary changes. Can't blame Govts, we elect them.

nomadking 09-08-2021 22:34
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089190)
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58146039
From 1st link and quote
Quote:
Research by the University of Kansas has confirmed the results of three previous studies
The 2nd link from the BBC confirms the existence of geothermal warming having an impact on ice sheets.
Canada and a section of Northern US(including New York) were once covered by Ice. How else did nearly all of that disappear, if not by "global warming"?
Quote:
In New York, the ice that covered Manhattan was about 2,000 feet high before it began to melt in about 16,000 BC. The ice in the area disappeared around 10,000 BC. The ground in the New York area has since risen by more than 150 ft because of the removal of the enormous weight of the melted ice.[10]
On average that's 4 inches of ice loss each and every year.

Sephiroth 09-08-2021 22:36
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I'm not denying the facts, particularly what is happening at the poles (melting Ice).

But to my simple mind, mitigation through engineering should be possible. For example, 2m bunds (or whatever they are called) right round the coastline. For example forestry fire risk assessment should be undertaken with climate change in mind so that fire breaks can be engineered in; plus water pipelines from the sea or reservoirs to various places for fire management purposes.

The above in addition to carbon management. I'm not against coal fired power generation with carbon capture; hell knows we'll need all the electricity we can generate.

I looked at part of the UN report ( https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/d...y_Material.pdf ) to see where the information sources are. It seems to me, and I might be mistaken, that a whole load of third party documents have been pulled together to result in the conclusions of the report. To my mind, that could be dodgy - as in selecting material that suits the agenda and hence the conclusions. The UN report appears not to be the result of structured study under UN control.


RichardCoulter 09-08-2021 23:04
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089182)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …
I learned today that there is such a thing as an argumentative personality disorder. No matter what it is, whether trivial or not, they seek to disagree with everything and anything that others say:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/healthp...rsonality/amp/

pip08456 09-08-2021 23:09
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Let's be clear, climate activists harp on about saving the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This planet will survive, the human race on the other hand...

Jaymoss 09-08-2021 23:09
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
All you hear is carbon footprint this carbon footprint that, global warming threat and so on when the real big issue is over population globally.

As the world warms there will be massive immigration issues as the population around the equator moves North or South. There will be wars and starvation like we have never seen before. You may think this is fantasy but the world as we know it is screwed and all the pissing in the wind we do now will not reverse it. A dark future for mankind is ahead but hopefully none of us see it but our grandkids might

1andrew1 09-08-2021 23:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36089210)
All you hear is carbon footprint this carbon footprint that, global warming threat and so on when the real big issue is over population globally.

As the world warms there will be massive immigration issues as the population around the equator moves North or South. There will be wars and starvation like we have never seen before. You may think this is fantasy but the world as we know it is screwed and all the pissing in the wind we do now will not reverse it. A dark future for mankind is ahead but hopefully none of us see it but our grandkids might
Some of the migration is already happening, particularly in America.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36089209)
Let's be clear, climate activists harp on about saving the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This planet will survive, the human race on the other hand...
Yup.

---------- Post added at 23:21 ---------- Previous post was at 23:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36089208)
I learned today that there is such a thing as an argumentative personality disorder. No matter what it is, whether trivial or not, they seek to disagree with everything and anything that others say:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/healthp...rsonality/amp/
No such disorder exists. :D

Chris 09-08-2021 23:25
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089190)
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.
Of course they are.

Climate denier “arguments” are typically characterised by an inability to critically appraise evidence and a tendency to select items that reinforce prior assumptions. They (and conspiracists more generally) betray their poorly developed critical skills by avoiding actually constructing arguments of their own. They prefer to demand their opponents “do their research” and may or may not provide a series of links or quotes with little evidence that they’ve understood or engaged with the material in its context.

pip08456 09-08-2021 23:54
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089216)
Of course they are.

Climate denier “arguments” are typically characterised by an inability to critically appraise evidence and a tendency to select items that reinforce prior assumptions. They (and conspiracists more generally) betray their poorly developed critical skills by avoiding actually constructing arguments of their own. They prefer to demand their opponents “do their research” and may or may not provide a series of links or quotes with little evidence that they’ve understood or engaged with the material in its context.
Perhaps I'm a climate denier then as I don't believe this planet is in any crisis at all. It has existed for well over a billion years and has undergone many changes in climate and will continue to exist.

It is the future of the human race that is the crisis but do we hear about that? No, it's all about save the planet that doesn't need saving, it will heal itself when we are long gone.

Jaymoss 10-08-2021 00:01
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36089219)
Perhaps I'm a climate denier then as I don't believe this planet is in any crisis at all. It has existed for well over a billion years and has undergone many changes in climate and will continue to exist.

It is the future of the human race that is the crisis but do we hear about that? No, it's all about save the planet that doesn't need saving, it will heal itself when we are long gone.
I agree. The planet has been a lot hotter than it is now and it has been a lot colder also.

Humans have risen from the stone age to the technological age and in 250 years we have managed to bring ourselves to the edge of ruin

Pierre 10-08-2021 10:49
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
The Dutch have dealt dangerous sea levels quite successfully for a while.

Human ingenuity will mitigate many of the affects of a changing climate.

1andrew1 10-08-2021 10:56
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36089242)
The Dutch have dealt dangerous sea levels quite successfully for a while.

Human ingenuity will mitigate many of the affects of a changing climate.
There's a financial cost to it all these mitigations and it's probably cheaper to build more wind turbines to replace coal-fired stations long term than it is to constantly build all these mitigations.

The other issue is that some countries may be unable to afford these mitigations. Not everywhere is as rich as the UK.

tweetiepooh 10-08-2021 11:34
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Financial and climate cost to replacing stuff too. It takes energy to make stuff and it would have to be extraordinarily more efficient than the old to make it really worth while.


And more efficient doesn't mean better. I can't use induction hobs (pacemaker) and like the instant heat and control of gas heating. If people just swapped out gas for heat pumps and then wanted more heat "now" they'd plug in electric heaters.


And coal/wood fires work in power cuts. Very useful when they have happened, can heat main room and even cook on it.

1andrew1 10-08-2021 11:39
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36089251)
Financial and climate cost to replacing stuff too. It takes energy to make stuff and it would have to be extraordinarily more efficient than the old to make it really worth while.


And more efficient doesn't mean better. I can't use induction hobs (pacemaker) and like the instant heat and control of gas heating. If people just swapped out gas for heat pumps and then wanted more heat "now" they'd plug in electric heaters.


And coal/wood fires work in power cuts. Very useful when they have happened, can heat main room and even cook on it.
It's a global issue, not just us in the prosperous West. No one's pretending that there are no costs involved and that sacrifices in convenience won't have to be made.

Sephiroth 10-08-2021 11:46
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089245)
There's a financial cost to it all these mitigations and it's probably cheaper to build more wind turbines to replace coal-fired stations long term than it is to constantly build all these mitigations.

The other issue is that some countries may be unable to afford these mitigations. Not everywhere is as rich as the UK.
That isn't the best answer you could have given, Andrew.

The mitigations will be necessary whatever we do with carbon. The engine is rolling and there's no cut-off button.

On the matter of other countries, this is a shit-or-bust situation for each coastal nation. And not just coastal nations - i might find time to research this further - but if the Baltic rises 2m, then Poland as far as Katowice would be under water. If you dig into the ground in Warsaw, it's sand when you're just a few cm down and the country is flat from the Baltic southward.

jonbxx 10-08-2021 11:49
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Ignoring the human effects of extreme weather (long report here) the economic effects of climate change could be huge.

SwissRe who know a thing or bit about risk as a reinsurer (one of the those huge companies you've never heard of) has this page where the risks of climate change are assessed for the 48 countries who account for 90% of the global GDP. The resilience of each country to the effects of heat, sea level rise, health, crop yield and tourism can be seen on the country drop down. However, the overall assessment is India, SE Asia and northern S.America could be in for a world of pain.

Pierre 10-08-2021 12:33
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089245)
There's a financial cost to it all these mitigations and it's probably cheaper to build more wind turbines to replace coal-fired stations long term than it is to constantly build all these mitigations.

The other issue is that some countries may be unable to afford these mitigations. Not everywhere is as rich as the UK.
It's not an either / or, scenario.

1andrew1 10-08-2021 12:51
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36089260)
It's not an either / or, scenario.
Absolutely. Currently we need mitigation for the current and worsening situation.
Add more coal stations to the mix and you'll need these mitigating too hence more expensive power may be better value if it needs less mitigation.

Pierre 11-08-2021 08:29
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Did we make it past 1982?

Sephiroth 11-08-2021 08:48
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36089368)
Did we make it past 1982?
The doom merchants will say that if we'd listened then, we wouldn't be up queer street now. I'm in the mitigation camp, for the record.

However, the attached map suggests, as someone else has mentioned in this thread, that we can expect migrations and the wars they will might/will bring. The map shows that up to 2m people in the UK face displacement. This can be mitigated by the richer countries, but the thought of half a billion Africans storming Europe is horrifying.

Damien 11-08-2021 10:03
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
One thing the report mentioned is that we can stop it. That's pretty good news IMO.

Over the last 10 years, both politicians and the public have come to accept that it's an urgent problem that needs addressing. I remember that it used to be that you would hit a lot of scepticism that global warming was even happening, then it was 'it's happening but it isn't us' and I was expecting the final stage to be 'ok it was us but it's too late to do anything now'.

pip08456 11-08-2021 11:34
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36089385)
One thing the report mentioned is that we can stop it. That's pretty good news IMO.

Over the last 10 years, both politicians and the public have come to accept that it's an urgent problem that needs addressing. I remember that it used to be that you would hit a lot of scepticism that global warming was even happening, then it was 'it's happening but it isn't us' and I was expecting the final stage to be 'ok it was us but it's too late to do anything now'.
Perhaps but at ever increasing costs.

Quote:
The world faces a growing paradox in the campaign to contain climate change. The harder it pushes the transition to a greener economy, the more expensive the campaign becomes, and the less likely it is to achieve the aim of limiting the worst effects of global warming.

New government-directed spending is driving up demand for materials needed to build a cleaner economy. At the same time, tightening regulation is limiting supply by discouraging investment in mines, smelters, or any source that belches carbon. The unintended result is “greenflation”: rising prices for metals and minerals such as copper, aluminium and lithium that are essential to solar and wind power, electric cars and other renewable technologies.

In the past, the transition to a new energy source provided a big boost to the old one. The advent of steam power inspired the makers of sailing ships to innovate more in 50 years than they had in the previous 300. Electricity had a similar impact on gas lighting. Now, building green economies will consume more oil in the transition period, but producers are not responding the same way because political and regulatory resistance has darkened the future of fossil fuels.
https://www.ft.com/content/49c19d8f-...9-50c7126076ee

Don't know if paywaiied, wasn't for me.

Carth 11-08-2021 13:38
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Global Warming . . probably a huge issue but I'm no scientist or geological expert.

We could do some massive things to control it . . . but 95% of the world population would never accept them ;)

papa smurf 11-08-2021 14:29
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36089412)
Global Warming . . probably a huge issue but I'm no scientist or geological expert.

We could do some massive things to control it . . . but 95% of the world population would never accept them ;)
Best if we just penalise the working man/woman and tax the arse off everything they use , tax after all is carbon neutral;)

Carth 18-09-2021 14:25
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Probably in the wrong place, but after thinking about it, it came down to a choice of here or the Jokes thread (because it made me laugh) :D

Anyway, in these days of Global Warming and the amount of expert stuff that gets thrown at us as it's cause, something I never expected to read on the BBC news site was this:

Quote:
BBC political correspondent Pete Saull said a "number of options" were being considered, including importing CO2.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58605735


there's also this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58600583
:D

papa smurf 18-09-2021 14:37
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093552)
Probably in the wrong place, but after thinking about it, it came down to a choice of here or the Jokes thread (because it made me laugh) :D

Anyway, in these days of Global Warming and the amount of expert stuff that gets thrown at us as it's cause, something I never expected to read on the BBC news site was this:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58605735


there's also this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58600583
:D
So we have a shortage of something that we produce too much of.

Sephiroth 18-09-2021 14:42
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I'm surprised that Dyson hasn't invented an air CO2 extractor. But that leads to another factor: have the boffins taken into account all the CO2 released by the fizzy drinks?

Hugh 18-09-2021 17:51
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36093553)
So we have a shortage of something that we produce too much of.
WE produce too much of it, we don't store enough of it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093554)
I'm surprised that Dyson hasn't invented an air CO2 extractor. But that leads to another factor: have the boffins taken into account all the CO2 released by the fizzy drinks?
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science...he-atmosphere/

Quote:
Fizzy drinks do release carbon dioxide (CO2), but this pales in comparison with overall human CO2 emissions. A can of pop contains 2-3g of CO2 – a tiny proportion of the six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.

What’s more, the CO2 pumped into carbonated drinks is usually a by-product from power plants – meaning it would have been released into the atmosphere anyway.

Carth 18-09-2021 18:47
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
. . . a tiny proportion of the six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.

In 1950 there were 2.5 billion people on the planet

Today we are edging close to 8 billion . . . I'm beginning to think LED lighting is not the answer :naughty:

Hugh 18-09-2021 18:49
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
If you can’t fix everything, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fix anything.

"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

papa smurf 18-09-2021 19:07
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093590)

In 1950 there were 2.5 billion people on the planet

Today we are edging close to 8 billion . . . I'm beginning to think LED lighting is not the answer :naughty:
We have to get rid of china and india and by we i mean you :)

Sephiroth 18-09-2021 19:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36093594)
We have to get rid of china and india and by we i mean you :)
That's been very recently tried and it failed.

Carth 18-09-2021 19:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D

papa smurf 18-09-2021 19:42
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093598)
sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D
logans run https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074812/

Hugh 18-09-2021 21:57
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36093598)
sorry, I'm just pointing out that today we (the human population) are pumping around 30 billion tonnes more of CO2 yearly into the atmosphere than we were back in 1950, just by breathing.

Add to that all of the environmental costs of housing, clothing and feeding that extra 5 billion people Then add the environmental costs of lighting & heating, plus transport of both people & goods, etc etc . .

I vaguely recall a book/film (whatever) many years ago about a society that culled everyone over the age of 50 (I think it was 50, could have been 30) :shocked: :D
A bit less - in total, 2.5 billion tonnes.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-...limate-change/

The book was Logan’s Run, and the age was 21 (the film raised it to 30).

Carth 18-09-2021 23:50
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36093619)
A bit less - in total, 2.5 billion tonnes.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-...limate-change/

The book was Logan’s Run, and the age was 21 (the film raised it to 30).
quote from your earlier post:
Quote:
six tonnes of CO2 per year (or 17kg per day) that the average person in the UK is responsible for.
difference between 2.5 billion (1950) and todays figure of 7.8 billion . . . lets go for a nice round 5 billion.

5 billion (people) multiplied by six tonnes gives us 30 billion tonnes. :p:

I will however consider that the part 'average person in the UK is responsible for' may include all of the extras I added, so will stick at 30 billion tonnes we didn't 'produce' 60 years ago ;)

Hugh 19-09-2021 11:44
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
You stated "just by breathing’ - the larger figure is for everything…

Sephiroth 20-09-2021 13:43
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Sea levels are rising because of the Asthma Inhaler.

https://greeninhaler.org/the-problem-with-inhalers/

Selective quote:

Quote:
Your inhaler can have a big impact on your carbon footprint. The most commonly used inhaler in the UK, Ventolin Evohaler™ has a carbon footprint of 28kg per inhaler. That’s the same carbon footprint as the tailpipe greenhouse gas emissions of driving 175miles (or from London to Sheffield) in a small car. Dry powder inhalers on the other hand typically have a carbon footprint of less than 1kg.
Let's look at the maths of this scare-mongering claim.

1/
Assume 8 preventive puffs/day as stated on the packet. There are 200 puffs per device. Thus 1 device lasts for 25 days and, according to the quoted article, has a carbon footprint of 28kg (that's an item weighing a few ounces, but I do get that this is a CO2 equivalence to the HFC liberated by the inhaler).

2/
The article cites a car driving 175 miles as having the same carbon footprint. That's the hype. Assume that an asthmatic commuter drives 80 miles per day round trip for 20 days per month. That's 1600 miles per month equating to 256kg carbon footprint.

Some of these green warriors are as bad as the worst of the woke lot.

EDIT: Dry powder inhalers do not self-propel and require a serious intake gasp from the afflicted person.

Maggy 21-09-2021 09:15
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Reading elsewhere about CO2 shortages..It's a crazy world alright.:)

Paul 08-10-2021 03:09
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
According to an article on the BBC, for my PostCode, "global warming" means a few extra days sunshine in the summer, and a few days less rain.

Hard to see the downside here ........


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...7-3691c0e7d138

Carth 08-10-2021 09:56
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36096487)
According to an article on the BBC, for my PostCode, "global warming" means a few extra days sunshine in the summer, and a few days less rain.

Hard to see the downside here ........


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...7-3691c0e7d138
That site must be wrong, we all know that vast swathes of England will become deserts, although there will be a thin 'green belt' of habitable land between these deserts and the frozen tundra that Scotland will become.

oh, and Peterborough is destined to have a flourishing fishing industry by 2046 ;)

papa smurf 08-10-2021 09:59
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36096513)
That site must be wrong, we all know that vast swathes of England will become deserts, although there will be a thin 'green belt' of habitable land between these deserts and the frozen tundra that Scotland will become.

oh, and Peterborough is destined to have a flourishing fishing industry by 2046 ;)
The port of Scunthorpe will be thriving and full of oil tankers.

Carth 08-10-2021 10:05
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Grimsby will be the new Atlantis . . .


. . erm . . just how big is your boat, my bestest friend? :D :D

Sephiroth 08-10-2021 10:07
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36096513)
That site must be wrong, we all know that vast swathes of England will become deserts, although there will be a thin 'green belt' of habitable land between these deserts and the frozen tundra that Scotland will become.

oh, and Peterborough is destined to have a flourishing fishing industry by 2046 ;)
That must be why they closed John Lewis in Peterborough.

pip08456 10-10-2021 00:53
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Van der Lyden is as stupid as Boris et al. Renewables are not the main answer, nuclear is. It is the only viable carbon nutral back up for rewnewable and can exceed the necessary supply.

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/stat...44984782266372

1andrew1 01-11-2021 22:53
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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This is a classic from CNN! :D

https://twitter.com/wolfblitzer/stat...18286736134149

Paul 02-11-2021 00:05
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Twatter seems to have decided Im no longer worthy

All I get is this ;

Quote:
Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot.
No matter what i do.

Sephiroth 02-11-2021 00:15
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Brexit, Squire.

TheDaddy 02-11-2021 01:34
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099681)
Twatter seems to have decided Im no longer worthy

All I get is this ;



No matter what i do.
Miserable usered :shocked: :)

Mr K 02-11-2021 07:35
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
All too little, too late. We needed the action 30 years ago.

nomadking 02-11-2021 08:41
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Sick and tired of all these nonsense programmes about eco-homes, when they are all unsuitable adaptations for most of us. They could only even possibly work in this country if, every building was demolished and completely rebuilt, and of course, we reduced out population by at least 90%, as each eco-home needs a large plot of land to go with it. Also as each eco-home is not able to be lived in at the time of being built or adapted, they need somewhere else to live.


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