UK BLM leader shot in head.
 

Leading Black Lives Matter activist Sasha Johnson has been shot in the head:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...d-57223755.amp

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Odd.

So it was just a random shooting, or are they saying she shot herself ?

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How is it odd, when this sort of incident is a routine occurrence.
Link
It's either shootings or stabbings that take place.
Eg

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Who's saying it odd, or alternatively that it's a routine occurrence, when the BLM UK leader is shot and in a critical state?

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Can't you see the post from Paul, which starts with the word "Odd".

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I think the “odd” refers to being shot in while not considered targeted.

Most people safely go around their day to day lives without getting shot at random. Where they do it usually relates to organised crime, gangs, terrorism or mass shootings (thankfully rare).

Suspect there’s more to it.

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Nothing that odd about a non-targeted shooting or stabbing at a gathering or party in the circumstances.

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I'm not going to the parties you go to then ...

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I think that is how most would read it.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that the shooter. if indeed there is a third party involved, isn't white.

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Don't bounce or jump about, you'll have us both down ;)

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Gun crime is quite rare even in London, against random people 'i.e not targetted' it's even rarer. It is odd.

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Another recent "odd" shooting in London

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south...-blue-20650245

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The talk of "targeted attack" is purely to force the bogus agenda, and hide the truth of matters.
A targeted attack at a gathering of supposedly innocent non-gang members would be odd, whereas a shooting, unintentional or otherwise, at a gathering of BLM supporters isn't. The existence of "Operation Trident" was proof of that.

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Got it - more haste and less speed on my part!

Agree that it seems odd but reading the Daily Mail story above suggests wrong place, wrong time. Hmm.

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Nothing to do with wrong time and place, just simply mixing with the wrong set of people.

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Whilst she might not have been a specific target, it may well have been the views/actions of the general group that were being targetted.

There are a number of black people I have spoken to who are not happy with the issues that BLM/Wokeism are creating.

If this disapproval is also shared by the types of black people who use guns, this could well be the result.

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:confused: One focus of BLM is to protect Black criminals by saying to Police, "you aren't allowed to arrest us". What issues that she expressed, that certain Black people are meant to be objecting to the extent of shooting her?:rolleyes:
Mix with Black gang members and there is the possibility of being shot. Time and place are immaterial. There is no place or time that isn't "wrong".

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I thought the focus was on the need to stop American cops from murdering black people. Silly me! :rolleyes:

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By not trying to arrest Black Criminals in the first place. EACH occurrence was where a Black criminal resisted and didn't want to be arrested, just as in the cases where Black criminals have shot Police officers. White criminals have also died in SIMILAR circumstances.
Still begs the unanswered(of course) question of what in the BLM agenda could the Black gangs supposedly be afraid of?:confused:

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Bingo .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57238301

Although it gets more odd.

4 folk just rock up go into the garden and discharge a firearm at random. Not credible.

Someone was the target whether that was or wasn't Ms Johnson.

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Agreed - it looks to all intents and purposes like a targeted attack to me. Didn't original reports talk of the gang targeting someone else who they had an issue with?
Maybe the police are throwing out misleading information to confuse the suspects?

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BLM activist killed, either randomly or targeted. by a black person...that obviously didn't think that her black life mattered.

The Irony is overwhelming.

But again this is only a reflection of what goes in in America daily. BLM like to protest about "white oppression" and the unfortunate deaths at the hands of the police, the vast majority of which are lawful.

But conveniently ignore that epidemic of black on black violence and deaths that far surpass any other violence against black people. A black person in the US and most likely in the UK too, is far more likely to be killed by another black person than a white person or the police.

(I don't have a link, but it's a well know fact, a quick Google will back up any of that)

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Why don't we just wait to see what transpires further down the timeline before making any judgements?

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The big difference being is that the civilians doing the killing are criminals, whilst the police should be held to a higher standard - you know "Protect and Serve", not "they're black, we'll treat them differently/more harshly than white people"; when black people commit crimes against black people, they face prosecution, but when police officers commit crimes against black people, they face getting off with little if any punishment.

90% of black murder victims in the US are killed by black assailants - also, 83% of white victims are killed by white assailants, but strangely enough, that statistic is rarely mentioned.

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. . . and do they treat them differently, or is it much more of a news story if they're black?

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Volumes of White people killed by police in the USA far surpass the number of black people killed by police in the USA. Approximate double.

% per population is the issue - but it also isn't as clear cut as people would make you think on that metric either. Inner city hotspots and socio-economic issues, same as any country.

The main factor in America in the gun culture.

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Seems to be the line being put about today by the media. Not that l trust any of them that much:rolleyes:

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Double the number of white people are killed by the police, but white people make up five times more of the population - which means, per capita, black people are killed at two and a half time’s the rate of white people by the US police…

Also, fatal police shootings of unarmed Black people in US is more than 3 times as high as in Whites

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...-as-in-whites/

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One complication with any figures seems to be that Hispanic and Latino are classed as White when doing White vs Black comparisons.
Which group is more likely to be killed, as it is mostly by their own group, then they are proportionately more likely to kill somebody. Which group is more likely to carry and use a gun? Which group is more likely to shoot Police officers? Which group is more likely to resist arrest and have to be restrained? Which group is more likely to be unarmed but acting in a way suggesting they are armed(ie reaching somewhere). Which group is more likely to be unarmed, but standing near somebody else who is armed and shooting at people?

Which is more likely to bite a person, a Pitbull or a Labrador? As a consequence of that, which of the 2 are you more going to be wary and nervous around?


Link 2019
3,299 white victims of which 566 were killed by Blacks and 738 by Hispanic/Latino. As I pointed out, Hispanic/Latino victims are included in the 3,299 victims.
2,906 Black victims of which 2,574 were killed by Blacks and at least(the unknown column) 95 by Hispanic/Latino. In fact a Black person is more likely to be killed by a woman than by a white person.

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Yeh, about that dog thing*...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7166296.html How about unarmed Blacks being shot at three times the rate of unarmed whites - is that because Hispanics are included in the shooting of Blacks in that statistic**?

You appear to be stating that Hispanics aren’t White?

I'm surprised you haven't be shot by a US Policeman, with that reaching... :dozey:

*perfect example of an unconscious prejudice...

**no, they're not...

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I'd like to add to that excellent post Seph . . .

Which group are more likely to use the terms 'Racist & Racism' in order to try and get an arrest/conviction overturned?

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Seems like a right dodgy party to me.

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I know that, I acknowledged that in my post. I also acknowledged that just looking at the bare statistics also doesn’t tell the story.

As with everything there is nuance and stats=this therefore police=racist is simplistic and doesn’t help the blacks in the US or the police

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Research has found that in general you can't raise dogs to be friendly. You have to follow a process of only allowing the least aggressive of any set of pups to breed further. Eventually that leads to most, if not all, of any litter being less aggressive. That is how dogs were domesticated.

In the real world, which would most people prefer to have running towards them? Pit bull or Labrador?

If people wearing red shirts are more likely to carry and use guns, especially on Police, then stands to reason that more people who wear red shirts are likely to be shot, IF they resist arrest. If a little old Black lady reaches somewhere that could have a gun, they are less likely to be shot than a young White man who is known to be violent. Who would you be more wary of? All the stats prove that Black people are more likely to be violent than White people. Even Black people are least safe, when surrounded by other Black people. Labour MP, Diane Abbott sent her son to public school to get him away from all the dangerous Black kids in her area.

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Yeah, about that “Dog thing”

You cite an article in the independent, which states They cite Animal Friends as the only source of data for this claim, But when you click on the link to the report

https://www.animalfriends.co.uk/blog...lic-liability/

It clearly states.

It Clearly states German Sherpherds.

So it seems you blindly trusted a report in a tabloid without checking the source material. Not the skills I expect from a self proclaimed researcher

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LOL, there is nothing like bending statistics to match what you want eh.
Perhaps three times as many black people are involved in crimes, so the rate "per crime" is lower.

I'm sure more bending and 'per this'/'per that' could be rolled out.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics - still as true as ever.

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I hear Diane Abbott has weighed into the situation and as usual is wrong, according to her the woman was shot for standing up to racism, yes shot by black people for being anti racist, why this utter excuse of a politician is given air time is beyond me

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Because she fits the current criteria (ticks all the boxes required) to be a mouthpiece for anything and everything. . . and she went to Uni too, as did many stupid and ignorant people in professions where this is mandatory :D

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It takes a lot to offend me, but BLM does.

To me, I see Black Lives Matter, White Lives Don't.

I say All Lives Matter, but these days being a white male in my early 50s I am now being discriminated because of that.

Why the FA is allowing a political statement like taking the knee is allowed, especially when they tried to say the Poppy was political.

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Strangely, that "nuance" wasn't mentioned when you quoted the number of Blacks killed by Blacks...

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In what way are you being discriminated against? Are you being charged more? Are you getting worse seats?

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I didn't quote any numbers, spotted any dodgy German Shepherds recently?

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Sasha Johnson: Two men and 3 teens arrested for 'attempted murder' of BLM activist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...o-men-24189694

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They should have called it black lives matter to, it's not their lives matter more it's that their lives matter less in America, quite surprised this still needs explaining

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I think you need to question your decision making process. Nowhere at any point has it been said or implied by anyone that ‘white lives don’t matter’ that’s something you like many others have invented to fit their own narrative.

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So where has it ever been expressed generally that Black Lives Don't Matter, other than Black People killing other Black People? Including an eight-year-old black girl killed by BLM supporters.

Eg Muslim woman gets stabbed in a park, cue the inevitable "it was a racist attack" headlines, even though there has been a killing of a white male a few months earlier, nobody gave a stuff about that. Yet it was the SAME killer. One victim got all the worldwide media attention, the other didn't.
Body of young boy, assumed to be Sri-Lankan found, again cue all the hysterical "it was a racist attack" reporting. It then later on is reported, more quietly of course, that the culprit(s) were of his own group.
A group of people set out one night to kill a white person and do so, in front of his girlfriend and it barely makes the regional news. Not the only example. The BBC owned up to the fact they should have reported it better.

If you're only too happy to consort with known gang member because they are Black, then the possibility of being shot by members of another Black gang is very high. Strange notion for many, but instead of consorting with them, try reporting them to the Police.

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I think you are missing the point.


There is now more about lack of black and other no whites is certain jobs, so now companies could be forced to select someone on the colour of their skin over their qualifications just to tick a box to keep someone happy, even if that person has a lesser skill set.


Look don't get me wrong I don't care of race, colour or creed I'll happily make friends with anyone, I was brought up to treat everyone as equal, after all we all end up in the same sized coffin 6 foot down.

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Nail on the head, well said.

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Maybe you need to question yours.

Saying that XXXX matters implies that YYYY does not, otherwise there would simply be no point in stating it at all.

So yes, going around saying that Black Lives Matter implies that [any] others do not.
If that were not the case, why was there all that massive fuss about the "White Lives Matter" banner last year.

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I did a bit of digging on the Internet when this controversy arose as my initial thinking was the same as yours. However, I did a little research and was reassured by what I found:
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/expl...318648p0s2rwg8

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Maybe it would have helped if they simply added "too" at the end. No one would have been confused then

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If that was even remotely true, then surely BLM would've started a long time ago?:rolleyes:
It's just a tacked on excuse for insisting on getting away with crimes, including murder. Name a policy that is actually anti-crime.

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I don't disagree with you - as I said I had to research it first but I'm posting as a white British male which is not where the phrase came from.

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I don't think i do based 1Andrews1 post.

Personally, and again this is only my belief. People who use 'All lives matter or white lives matter' are perhaps in fear of something , such as their ethnicity being ignored.

Saying that XXXX matters implies YYYY does not is.

Well, that's your and others perception.

If someone/anyone can provide evidence where a member of BLM has explicitly said that white lives don't matter then I'm more than happy to apologise. However, to my knowledge this has never been the case.

The fuss behind the banner? I would hazard a guess that it detracted from the where the primary point of focus needed to be.

The US and the UK have openly acknowledged issues with systemic racism I'd like anyone to be able to discuss or argue otherwise.

---------- Post added at 12:07 ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 ----------


BLM was founded in 2013.....

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I do agree that saying XXXX matters only means YYYY does not in their perception. To me it is quite clear saying Black Lives Matter just means exactly that and it is correct Black Lives do matter as does everyone else's

After all me saying "I Love Marmite" does not mean everyone else does not

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:tu:

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Summed up brilliantly with your last line. :tu:

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Exactly the point, if all lives matter then that's what you say, not a subset, which means otherwise.

I hate Marmite (just so you know).
However, you are not saying Marmite "matters" - its a totally different thing, a meaningless comparison.

Now if you were making Marmite, all the ingredients matter.
You would not say only the yeast matters, thus implying the rest do not.
They all matter, otherwise you dont get your Marmite.

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Please let's not get into the wonders and awfulness of Marmite or we will be here for ever. ;)