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pip08456

28-02-2021 04:05

US CPAC raisess hackles.

What a storm this is causing on social media. What do you think?

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CPAC Organizer Vehemently Denies Stage Was Designed to Look Like Nazi Symbol

Matt Schlapp, the head of the American Conservative Union who organizes the Conservative Political Action Conference, is pushing back against those who said that the stage for the event that is taking place in Orlando is eerily reminiscent to a Nazi symbol. “Stage design conspiracies are outrageous and slanderous,” Schlapp tweeted. He went on to say that “CPAC proudly stands with our Jewish allies.”
The fact that Schlapp felt the need to comment on the issue illustrates just how pervasive the comparisons had become on social media as many pointed out that the shape of the stage looked like a Nazi symbol. Specifically, many said the stage looked like a version of the Odal rune, also referred to as the Othala rune. The symbol dates back centuries but was also used by some Nazi SS divisions during World War II. The symbol was emblazoned on uniforms of some Nazi soldiers.

So how does it compare? You decide.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1614481362

Pierre

28-02-2021 09:41

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A picture of the stage on question would be handy

Maggy

28-02-2021 11:07

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072306)

A picture of the stage on question would be handy

Yep! A link is always useful.

1andrew1

28-02-2021 11:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072306)

A picture of the stage on question would be handy

I'm still trying to get my head around the golden made-in-Mexico Trump statue there! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nddgsAspAk

pip08456

28-02-2021 11:38

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072306)

A picture of the stage on question would be handy

There is one or are you blind?

Have a video.

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Yep! A link is always useful.

Will these do?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...odal-rune.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=5dff4b531e80

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...902?ri18n=true

https://www.tmz.com/2021/02/27/cpac-...ol-rune-hyatt/

https://www.themarysue.com/the-cpac-...de-it-anymore/

Even Snopes have weighed in.

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The shape of the stage, a diamond with two prongs extending on one end, is indeed similar to an early European Othala rune also known as the “Odal rune.” According to the Anti-Defamation League this is a popular Neo-Nazi symbol, but as it is part of an ancient runic alphabet system, it has not solely been used as a hate symbol. It also appears in different forms, sometimes without the two prongs pointing upward.

It has, however, been used as the insignia of a number of Nazi divisions during the early 20th century. The rune was used as the logo of the Nazi 7th SS Mountain Division that fought in Croatia and the Balkans in the 1940s. One book “7th SS Mountain Division Prinz Eugen at War 1941-1945: A History of the Division,” with photographs of Nazi soldiers collected by Ian Baxter, features the symbol prominently on its cover. Another historical account by Otto Kumm, a Nazi German commander of the SS during World War II, also features the symbol prominently on its cover. This edition, published in 1995, is available on Amazon.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cp...e-nazi-symbol/

Chris

28-02-2021 11:41

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072321)

There is one or are you blind?

Calm down. There is no picture or link visible in your OP and Pierre’s question was entirely reasonable.

pip08456

28-02-2021 11:53

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36072322)

Calm down. There is no picture or link visible in your OP and Pierre’s question was entirely reasonable.

Then there is a forum issue. I can clearly see it and here is the link to the image I posted.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=28935&d=1614481362[

I have now supplied several links and a video.

Seems like an issue. I'll re-up the image.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1614509770

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1614509861

Hom3r

28-02-2021 12:06

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copied some pics from one of the links

nomadking

28-02-2021 12:07

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So who exactly designed the stage layout?

There are NOT 2 prongs. It's just the way the colours of blue and red appear and the 2 blue "prongs" are linked at the top. It's also technically upside down, IF it was the RUNE(ie ancient) symbol.

Perhaps the media would be better going after those killing 8 year old girls & others, giving race power salutes, breaking shop windows and looting complaining that certain groups are over-represented in employment etc, forcing people out of their jobs because they don't follow them. But the media are never going to go after BLM, the left, and the liberals, are they?

1andrew1

28-02-2021 14:24

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Will be interesting to see how Covid safe this event is.

Pierre

28-02-2021 18:09

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072323)

Thank you!............

And I would agree that the stage design is very provocative, not a wise design.

Mad Max

28-02-2021 20:01

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Can't see anything offensive at all, looks more like a star shape to me.

Damien

01-03-2021 09:45

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Not the best stage design but I seriously doubt it was intentional.

Incidentally, Trump headlined last night and continued to push his claim that he won the election.

papa smurf

01-03-2021 10:31

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36072418)

Not the best stage design but I seriously doubt it was intentional.

Incidentally, Trump headlined last night and continued to push his claim that he won the election.

Yes he might come back for a third win.

1andrew1

01-03-2021 11:06

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072424)

Yes he might come back for a third win.

Surely a fourth time as I believe he also won honourably in 2012 but was defrauded by the lizard men who removed all evidence of him running and his victory from the interwebs. ;)

Sephiroth

01-03-2021 11:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36072418)

Not the best stage design but I seriously doubt it was intentional.

Incidentally, Trump headlined last night and continued to push his claim that he won the election.

The stage is shaped identically with the ODAL Rune - a symbol adopted by the Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism

Hugh	01-03-2021 11:40

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072424)

Yes he might come back for a third win.

Bless - I’m not sure who is denying reality more, you or him... ;)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072427)

Surely a fourth time as I believe he also won honourably in 2012 but was defrauded by the lizard men who removed all evidence of him running and his victory from the interwebs. ;)

That’s because when everyone was watching the London Olympics opening ceremony, the Illuminati used their memory erasing technology on all the viewers, and anyone who hasn’t been watching was dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist"...

pip08456

01-03-2021 11:55

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36072327)

So who exactly designed the stage layout?

There are NOT 2 prongs. It's just the way the colours of blue and red appear and the 2 blue "prongs" are linked at the top. It's also technically upside down, IF it was the RUNE(ie ancient) symbol.

Perhaps the media would be better going after those killing 8 year old girls & others, giving race power salutes, breaking shop windows and looting complaining that certain groups are over-represented in employment etc, forcing people out of their jobs because they don't follow them. But the media are never going to go after BLM, the left, and the liberals, are they?

How can it be upside down? It's horizontal, it's a stage.

Hom3r

01-03-2021 12:03

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I think people just see what they want to see, and love to argue about anything they can.

nomadking

01-03-2021 12:32

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072436)

How can it be upside down? It's horizontal, it's a stage.

If you're looking from the audience(ie the viewers) then it's upside down compared to the nonsense about any symbol.

Hugh	01-03-2021 12:48

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If you're looking from the audience, you can't see the shape, as the stage is level with their eyeline...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/03/1.jpg

Sephiroth

01-03-2021 12:50

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072436)

How can it be upside down? It's horizontal, it's a stage.

I'm quite sure, from what I see of some of Trump's followers that the design was quite deliberate. I don't think Trump is a Nazi sympathiser, but he's bad enough to take any type of follower.

Chris

01-03-2021 12:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072446)

If you're looking from the audience, you can't see the shape, as the stage is level with their eyeline...]

But if you’re an invited speaker and you enter the stage from either of the openings at the back, you would immediately see you were walking on to an odal rune shape, the right way up.

I have no idea whether it was deliberate on the part of the conference organisers, or on the part of the set designer, or if it’s all a big coincidence. But there’s no doubt that the shape is visible to anyone contributing to the conference.

Hugh	01-03-2021 13:47

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:tu:

pip08456

01-03-2021 14:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072446)

If you're looking from the audience, you can't see the shape, as the stage is level with their eyeline...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/03/1.jpg

Very much at eye level.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1614604679

papa smurf

01-03-2021 14:49

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Those chairs look a bit third Reich.

Hom3r

01-03-2021 14:59

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36072449)

Sorry I have to disagree.

I have never heard of an Odal Rune until mentioned on here. How many people have heard of it as well, not many?

I should say I make model kits (including German armour) and try to keep figures as accurate as possible and this shape has never come up in my searching

pip08456

01-03-2021 15:04

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36072490)

As it was used by the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen and the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, as well as the SS-Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt unless you were researching them it wouldn't come up.

Chris

01-03-2021 15:35

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36072490)

Nor had I, which is why, if it was deliberate, it was a dog-whistle reference that would only mean something to those “in the know”.

downquark1

01-03-2021 16:05

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Since it is one of the lesser known symbols I doubt it was intentional.

Plenty of American institutions I noticed use the Fasces (the bundle of sticks with an axe) in their symbols. Why? Because these institutions predate fascism and took the same symbols from the Romans that Mussolini adapted.

Strange how no one complains about the New York school of law.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/03/2.jpg

pip08456

01-03-2021 16:22

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36072497)

Nor had I, which is why, if it was deliberate, it was a dog-whistle reference that would only mean something to those “in the know”.

Those in the know.

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The Detroit, Michigan-based Neo-Nazi political party replaced the swastika with the Nordic symbol on its flag in 2016 in “an attempt to become more integrated and more mainstream,”

https://qz.com/1412430/white-suprema...we-should-too/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1614612092

https://www.farenet.org/wp-content/u...all_2016-2.pdf

Chris

01-03-2021 16:39

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36072501)

The date on the NYU logo is 1835, comfortably pre-dating Mussolini. I’m not aware of anyone using a version of that symbol in contemporary neo-Nazi circles, though if you are, I’d be interested to hear it.

The point here is that the Odal has been adopted since world war 2 by neo-nazis precisely because of its subtle connections to the German Nazi party. It signals affiliation without drawing immediate condemnation as would likely result from flying a swastika.

Again, I have no idea if this was deliberate. But non-controversial, pre-war uses of ancient symbols subsequently adopted by Nazis don’t speak against their deliberate post-war use.

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