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Mick	25-01-2021 17:12

Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status...26713293844486

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The BBC has been criticised for this children's programme which suggests there are 100 different genders.

Why shouldn't the BBC produce programmes for young children that explore sex, gender and identity?

I must have missed this being taught in schools, when did we get to have 100 Genders?

And if we have that many, which is impossible, why are we having the BBC teaching it to kids as young as NINE?

jfman

25-01-2021 19:08

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I’m curious if anyone could name them all and what’s distinctive about gender 76 vs genders 75 and 77.

Mick	25-01-2021 19:12

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I am curious as to why stop at 100, why not 1,000, no in fact make it an infinite?

Pierre

25-01-2021 19:15

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

welcome to the world of genders/ pronouns/ wokety wokeness.

It's all total bollocks.

Two genders.

jfman

25-01-2021 19:17

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Well yes, categorising things becomes pointless if you can’t distinguish them to the degree they have been segregated.

To that end, the number is completely irrelevant.

papa smurf

25-01-2021 19:18

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36068130)

I’m curious if anyone could name them all and what’s distinctive about gender 76 vs genders 75 and 77.

Is that on the list:)

jfman

25-01-2021 19:20

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36068135)

Is that on the list:)

Think that’s a sexual preference, not a gender ;)

nomadking

25-01-2021 19:35

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

The "fascists" in control won't allow any sort of true backlash.

Just look at the treatment of JK Rowling and the whole practice of cancel culture that is endemic. Democracy and free speech has well and truly been hijacked.

Mick	25-01-2021 20:05

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I am not attacking what has become the right to choose to be a different gender these days, I just don't get how it can be said there is 100 genders AND more crucially, how I don't think young minds need to be diluted to this kind of nonsense.

Pierre

25-01-2021 20:14

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36068143)

There isn’t 100 genders Mick.

Hom3r

25-01-2021 20:29

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Call me bigoted if you want but there are only 3, Male Female and 3rd if you include hermaphrodite

Anything else is just a mind set.

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OK make it 5 if you want to include those that swap sex.

Damien

25-01-2021 20:46

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Technically the concept behind this is that gender identity and biological sex can be separated which is why they're saying you can have 'x' amount of genders. They're saying gender is essentially an invented construct. Hom3r says 'it's just a mind set' and actually that's probably the closest anyone has come to echoing what they would say.

It's something I have to admit to not really understanding but at the same time it doesn't really impact me nor is it something I have the energy to care greatly about. I do try to remember the world as we were taught it isn't always the world that'll be so....

Paul	25-01-2021 20:54

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36068156)

They're saying gender is essentially an invented construct.

Yes, invented by nature.
Its clearly just more PC bull.

Humans (like most of nature) were designed with two genders, anything else is invented, or a mutation.

Maggy

25-01-2021 22:28

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I refuse to be berated for not remembering to call someone by their chosen term for their gender especially if there's a hundred of them.It would be more useful to learn another language.

Sephiroth

25-01-2021 23:46

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36068103)

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status...26713293844486

I must have missed this being taught in schools, when did we get to have 100 Genders?

And if we have that many, which is impossible, why are we having the BBC teaching it to kids as young as NINE?

There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

cimt	25-01-2021 23:55

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36068204)

There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

See bigender and gender fluid both sound the same to me there... Also agender and genderqueer both sound the same.

Sephiroth

26-01-2021 00:21

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Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36068205)

See bigender and gender fluid both sound the same to me there... Also agender and genderqueer both sound the same.

That reminds me of the difference between a duck.

One of its legs is both the same.

TheDaddy

26-01-2021 00:28

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36068204)

There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

Looks like agenda to me

Those government re education courses are going to rammed full if we're not careful and no doubt compulsory

Big ender, Liliputian?

Jaymoss

26-01-2021 17:38

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Cultural liberalisation of society has just enabled some mental illnesses to no longer need treatment but to be nurtured. I guess I am a dinosaur in their eyes oh well

Angua

26-01-2021 18:12

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

All just human beings at the end of the day, with their own mental strengths & weaknesses, along with their own physical strengths & weaknesses.

nomadking

26-01-2021 18:36

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

The more you publicise something, the more you put ideas in peoples' heads that weren't there before.
Eg The more people go on about things like anorexia and self-harm, the more people end up doing it.

Taf	27-01-2021 17:55

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"Gender Studies" at Uni is what is behind all this claptrap.

Apparently the next National Census will not request "gender" but "sex". That'll trigger a lot of the weirdos.

papa smurf

27-01-2021 18:02

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36068430)

"Gender Studies" at Uni is what is behind all this claptrap.

Apparently the next National Census will not request "gender" but "sex". That'll trigger a lot of the weirdos.

Just answer yes please:naughty:

tweetiepooh

28-01-2021 11:45

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Maybe they mixed gender studies and computing and its 100 in binary or 4 as us humans say it. Year ago when I wrote hospital patient systems we had 5 values for gender.
1 = male
2 = female
3 = neonate
8 = not given
9 = unknown
In binary 101.

But in any case gender was only 1 digit so only 9 actual values of real data.

Hugh	28-01-2021 13:56

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16 in Hex ;)

Mr K	28-01-2021 22:01

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There's probably 67 million different genders in the country, no one's 100% anything. We're all different which is a good thing :)

Paul	28-01-2021 22:20

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36068495)

neonate :confused:

pip08456

28-01-2021 23:17

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I never knew newborn was a gender.

tweetiepooh

29-01-2021 12:03

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I think neonate was used for new born where gender wasn't yet recorded or maybe waiting to tell parents first. Maybe other medical reasons - a quick look between legs not diagnostic??
The coding was more to do with stats so anonymised data could be generated for the NHS than exact medical data.
The codes for race also had values for unknown and not given as well as lots of other coded values. There was a whole shelf of folders with what data was needed for what entities and how entities relate and what coded values where present and valid values for them. Great "fun" - we followed the manuals so when we sent data in it was already pretty much as the NHS required.

Halcyon

29-01-2021 15:48

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

You are either born a boy or a girl. Two genders.

Angua

29-01-2021 16:26

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36068626)

You are either born a boy or a girl. Two genders.

Scientifically inaccurate.

There are people with extra X or Y chromosomes.

Sephiroth

29-01-2021 16:30

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36068626)

You are either born a boy or a girl. Two genders.

Head squarely on shoulders.

Paul	29-01-2021 17:56

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36068626)

You are either born a boy or a girl. Two genders.

Abnormalities are perfectly possible, and do happen (as above).
Even so, you must still technically be one or the other, there is no 3rd human gender.

(Fun Fact: You must have an X chromosome to survive).

Hugh	29-01-2021 18:20

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36068626)

You are either born a boy or a girl. Two genders.

Two sexes, not genders - whilst the terms are often used interchangebly, scientifically, they are different.

Sex - biological (male or female, with occasional exceptions such as hermaphrodites/intersex)

Gender - social construct relating to behaviours and characteristics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/envir...der/2019-02-21

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Sex and gender are different concepts that are often used interchangeably. The UK government refers to sex as being biologically defined, and gender as a social construct that is an internal sense of self, whether an individual sees themselves as a man or a woman, or another gender identity. They encompass many different identities and may be non-binary (that is, not a man or a woman).

Sephiroth

29-01-2021 18:47

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

So - sex vs gender is like apples vs oranges.

That's OK. Trans are either male or female; simples.

Thus, public toilets are differentiate by sex not gender. Get my drift?

Hugh	29-01-2021 20:13

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It must make life so much easier when you have a binary* view of life...

*snigger

Sephiroth

29-01-2021 20:25

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My logic is impeccable and, of course, you haven't been able to refute it.

Pierre

29-01-2021 22:01

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068646)

Two sexes, not genders - whilst the terms are often used interchangebly, scientifically, they are different.

True, but “gender dysphoria” usually relates to male/masculine, female/feminine and the
incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. Though gender dysphoria often begins in childhood, some people may not experience it until after puberty or much later. Hence transgender and/or gender reassignment.

We can dance around the subject of gender but it boils down to two.

The notion that there are tens and hundreds is crazy, and pandering to a super minority. Same as the absurd pro-noun issue as calling an individual “they” which is incorrect on every level.

Hugh	29-01-2021 22:24

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36068666)

My logic is impeccable and, of course, you haven't been able to refute it.

Why refute something that’s based on a false premise?

nomadking

29-01-2021 22:25

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Plenty of other examples(fat when not, legs not belonging to them) where people think they're something they're not. Difference is, they are considered to have a mental illness.

Hugh	29-01-2021 22:26

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36068697)

How does it hurt calling someone by their preferred pronoun?

You lose nothing, and gain their respect by respecting their choice...

---------- Post added at 21:26 ---------- Previous post was at 21:26 ----------

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36068711)

Plenty of other examples(fat when not, legs not belonging to them) where people think they're something they're not. Difference is, they are considered to have a mental illness.

Your empathy is matched only by your consideration for others...

Pierre

29-01-2021 22:42

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068712)

How does it hurt calling someone by their preferred pronoun?

You lose nothing, and gain their respect by respecting their choice

Well two things here:

1. I am happy to refer to people on an individual basis how they wish to be addressed. Even how stupid and totally incongruous to the English language it may be, and I will address people how they wish to be addressed on an individual basis.

2. I will not however be “told” how address another person. I will not conform to compelled speech. Secondly what are these other “genders”? Outside of the male/female/trans I’ll Stretch to Bi ( although that is a sexuality) what are the definitions of the other 94 genders?

Sephiroth

29-01-2021 22:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068710)

Why refute something that’s based on a false premise?

How do you prove that mine is a false premise?

nomadking

29-01-2021 22:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068712)

Respect? Which side kicks up one heck of a nasty fuss when the wrong term is allegedly used?

Why is promotion and encouragement of one set of circumstances to be criticised and the promotion and encouragement of a similar type of circumstances not to be criticised?

Paul	30-01-2021 02:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068712)

How does it hurt calling someone by their preferred pronoun?

You lose nothing, and gain their respect by respecting their choice...

You may refer to me as "your highness" in future. :D

TheDaddy

30-01-2021 02:32

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36068755)

You may refer to me as "your highness" in future. :D

Need a gender in there, how about 'her royal highness' in future :)

Paul	30-01-2021 02:35

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Nope, & nope.

Maggy

30-01-2021 10:06

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36068717)

A hundred of them? That's asking a lot..Especially on social media when you really have no idea who is on the other side of the screen.

figgyburn

30-01-2021 12:38

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

[QUOTE=Sephiroth;36068204][COLOR="Blue"]There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

:wtf:

:banghead:

Mad Max

30-01-2021 21:40

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Genderbender.

tweetiepooh

01-02-2021 13:44

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Gender references must get really confusing in languages that have gender specific verbs. I really wouldn't want to sort that one out.
But things are a bit daft if gender is simply based on how you identify. How does another person know and does it really, really matter. As long as it polite and respectful and not obviously wrong just take it on the chin and put it down to ignorance.

Stuart

01-02-2021 15:41

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I think people should feel free to sleep with whoever they wish, as long as it is legal and consensual. As such, I do have gay friends. Indeed, back in the early 90s, my best friend at work was a lesbian who was slightly older than me who, on reflection, actually looked like Harry Potter with bleached hair. I also have transgender friends and always respect their chosen title.

In short, I believe people can be nice or nasty regardless of age, biological sex, gender, sexual persuasion or any one of a number of arbitrary distinctions people can chose from.

Yet, there are those who have told me I am part of the problem, because by asking people to be nice to each other, I am apparently ignoring their differences. I am not at all. I don't believe *any* difference beyond practical should be used for discrimination.

I think to progress as a race, we should be moving past assigning labels to people for arbitrary reasons.

That said, I can see J.K. Rowling's points, and read the essay she produced explaining her view. By pushing Trans women so much, we are marginalising actual biological women who, are, after all, often recipients of prejudice in much the same way Trans women are.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36068204)

There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

I'm a bit confused as to the definition of "Ze/Hir", which are apparently gender neutral alternatives to "He/Her" for those who are uncomfortable with the term "They". If you want alternatives that aren't linked to a specific gender, why have two? Why not have one term?

downquark1

01-02-2021 16:10

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36068996)

There are different schools of thought in all this stuff. The older notion of transexuality is that they want to switch to the opposite gender because they are very uncomfortable in the current situation. Then there's the school of thought that want anyone to be able to make up their own gender and their own pronouns, which means there is essentially no limit to the number of genders.

There is no definition other than you are suppose to use these pronouns when referring to them.

I would generally try and just use "they" as this is ridiculous.

papa smurf

01-02-2021 16:12

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I call everyone mate.

Sephiroth

01-02-2021 16:19

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36069002)

I call everyone mate.

That could become awkward, Squire.

papa smurf

01-02-2021 16:28

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069005)

That could become awkward, Squire.

I offer 2 options

1 like it
2 lump it

Paul	01-02-2021 20:01

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36068996)

I think to progress as a race, we should be moving past assigning labels to people for arbitrary reasons.

A persons sex is not arbitrary, its nature.
On the other hand, someone randomly saying they "identify" as whatever, is arbitrary.

Angua

02-02-2021 08:22

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36068996)

There seems to be little wish to understand or empathise with the gender they are trying to be. That is where the gap lies, with any dissent getting the label TERF

Pierre

02-02-2021 13:51

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36069053)

There seems to be little wish to understand or empathise with the gender they are trying to be. That is where the gap lies, with any dissent getting the label TERF

if you're trying to be anything other than Male or Female, then what are you trying to be?

papa smurf

02-02-2021 14:48

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36069097)

if you're trying to be anything other than Male or Female, then what are you trying to be?

something that gets lots of attention.

jonbxx

02-02-2021 15:33

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Considering that;

The levels of self harm and suicide are ridiculously high in cases of gender dysphoria (gender not matching assigned sex) link link
Gender identity disclosure and reassignment reduces these risks (link)

Why would you not want to accept other genders exist? I can't see any harm in this at all and, based on the evidence available, to not do this actually causes harm

downquark1

02-02-2021 15:42

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36069104)

Considering that;

The levels of self harm and suicide are ridiculously high in cases of gender dysphoria (gender not matching assigned sex) link link
Gender identity disclosure and reassignment reduces these risks (link)

Why would you not want to accept other genders exist? I can't see any harm in this at all and, based on the evidence available, to not do this actually causes harm

The gender dysphoric are usually people who want to change to the opposite gender, they aren't usually for creating new ones.

jonbxx

02-02-2021 16:32

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36069106)

The gender dysphoric are usually people who want to change to the opposite gender, they aren't usually for creating new ones.

The NHS defines Gender Dysphoria as;

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..a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

The 'identity' was key for me, it doesn't say opposite sex

Pierre

02-02-2021 16:34

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36069104)

Considering that;

The levels of self harm and suicide are ridiculously high in cases of gender dysphoria (gender not matching assigned sex) link link
Gender identity disclosure and reassignment reduces these risks (link)

Why would you not want to accept other genders exist? I can't see any harm in this at all and, based on the evidence available, to not do this actually causes harm

But what are the other genders and/or identities?

Sephiroth

02-02-2021 16:46

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The more identities/genders are devised, the more incomprehensible it becomes. Kids can't be taught this. What they are taught in order to accord respect and opportunity for affected persons needs to be simplified.

Mad Max

02-02-2021 17:02

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069119)

The more identities/genders are devised, the more incomprehensible it becomes. Kids can't be taught this. What they are taught in order to accord respect and opportunity for affected persons needs to be simplified.

Spot on, Seph, and what they are taught should be something worthwhile and not this bloody nonsense.

Pierre

02-02-2021 17:11

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36068204)

[COLOR="Blue"]There are some genders capable of engendering (!) ambiguity:

Bigender 

Gender Fluid

Genderqueer

https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

:wtf:

:banghead:

So lets break it down then:

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Agender 
Not having a gender or identifying with a gender. They may describe themselves as being gender neutral or genderless. 

So you're nothing then? which also the same as

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Genderqueer
A gender identity label often used by people who do not identify with being a man or a woman, or as an umbrella term for many gender non-conforming or non-binary identities.

the same as Agender above, so again just another way of saying the same thing.

whereas

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Bigender 
A person who fluctuates between traditionally “male” and “female” gender-based behaviours and identities.

and

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Gender Fluid
A mix of boy and girl. A person who is gender fluid may always feel like a mix of the two traditional genders, but may feel more man some days, and more woman other days.

and

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Two-Spirit
Is an umbrella term traditionally used by Native American people to recognise individuals who possess qualities of both genders

are three ways of saying the same thing

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Cisgender 
A person whose gender identity and biological sex assigned at birth are the same. For example they were born biologically as a male, and express their gender as male. 

I think the term you're looking for is either male or female.

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Gender Expression
The external display of one’s gender, through a combination of how they dress, how they act and other factors, generally measured on scales of masculinity and femininity.

a transvestite then.

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Intersex
A person born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside.

This is the best one, so what are we describing here a woman born with a vagina but not a womb. Apart from the reproductive organs of both sexes we all have the same anatomy on the inside.

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Gender Variant
Someone who either by nature or by choice does not conform to gender-based expectations of society 

So what, again a Transvestite? a woman that dresses in trouser suit? A very camp straight male, a woman bricklayer?

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Mx.
Is a title (e.g. Mr., Ms., etc.) that is gender neutral. Pronounced miks, (similar to Ms) it is often the option of choice for folks who do not identify as cisgender.

nothing to do with gender but how you want to write your name which pretty much the same thing as

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Ze / Hir 
Alternate pronouns that are gender neutral. Pronounced /zee/ and /here/ they replace “he” and “she” and “his” and “hers” respectively. Alternatively some people who are not comfortable/do not embrace he/she use the plural pronoun “they/their” as a gender neutral singular pronoun.

not anything to with gender

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Third Gender
A term for a person who does not identify with either man or woman, but identifies with another gender. This gender category is used by societies that recognise three or more genders, both contemporary and historic, and is also a conceptual term meaning different things to different people who use it.

well as seen as so far no evidence has been produced in this list of a third or forth gender, I'd love to know what the other gender is.

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Transgender
A person who lives as a member of a gender other than that expected based on sex assigned at birth.

a term I recognise. as someone transitioning from male to female or vice versa.

It's all bollocks.

Sephiroth

02-02-2021 17:12

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36069122)

Spot on, Seph, and what they are taught should be something worthwhile and not this bloody nonsense.

Well put, Max.

Angua

02-02-2021 17:50

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36069097)

if you're trying to be anything other than Male or Female, then what are you trying to be?

If in their head they feel like a woman trapped in the wrong body, then perhaps they need to learn a bit more about how those born female managed, having some regard for the struggles they have gone through to reach a point where there is still inequality, but it is getting there.

We are all human beings, gender is not black and white as some would like to think. Even the chromosomes that determine sex can be shades of grey.

The biggest problem I can see, is the obsession with labels.

OLD BOY

06-02-2021 20:18

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

There are three genders. Male, female and not sure.

papa smurf

06-02-2021 20:24

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36069688)

There are three genders. Male, female and not sure.

Are you sure?

Mad Max

06-02-2021 21:03

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36069689)

Are you sure?

Maggy

06-02-2021 21:07

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36069689)

Are you sure?

Why? Aren't you?;)

OLD BOY

06-02-2021 21:33

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36069689)

Are you sure?

I’m positive, mate! Wanna fight?

:D

Sephiroth

06-02-2021 21:55

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36069704)

I’m positive, mate! Wanna fight?

:D

You need to self isolate and contemplate this question!

Hugh	07-02-2021 01:48

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36069704)

I’m positive, mate! Wanna fight?

:D

Rhesus?

Maggy

07-02-2021 10:33

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I would say back on topic but I'm not really sure what it is anymore.

Sephiroth

07-02-2021 12:49

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

It's about the utterly ridiculous lengths to which woke-ism is heading.

Hugh	07-02-2021 13:10

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Snowflake! ;)

Sephiroth

07-02-2021 13:29

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36069747)

Snowflake! ;)

"Snowflake" is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.

Hugh	07-02-2021 14:44

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069750)

Here's the link you got that from - for "Fair Use", it's polite to provide the link...:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)

Here’s another - https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=Snowflake

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A very sensitive person. Someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements or actions of others.

Pierre

07-02-2021 18:29

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36069742)

It's about the utterly ridiculous lengths to which woke-ism is heading.

Well, you’re not under any obligation to acquiesce to their demands, I know I won’t be.

Hugh	07-02-2021 19:51

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1612723837

Pierre

07-02-2021 22:41

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36069773)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1612723837

No idea what that means and care even less.

tweetiepooh

08-02-2021 11:46

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Bigender - I originally scanned this as big ender and was wondering how that fitted the gender debate!

Mr K	08-02-2021 11:54

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

A classic 'BBC derangement syndrome' thread ;)

Stuart

08-02-2021 13:42

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36069028)

A persons sex is not arbitrary, its nature.
On the other hand, someone randomly saying they "identify" as whatever, is arbitrary.

I agree, biological sex is not arbitrary, but beyond that, I think people shouldn't really be introducing more labels.

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36069001)

I would generally try and just use "they" as this is ridiculous.

I generally use either they or, if I know which pronoun they like, I'll use that one.

E.G., I know two transsexuals, who both use the pronoun "she", so I use "she".

Sephiroth

08-02-2021 13:49

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36069841)

I agree, biological sex is not arbitrary, but beyond that, I think people shouldn't really be introducing more labels.

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I generally use either they or, if I know which pronoun they like, I'll use that one.

E.G., I know two transsexuals, who both use the pronoun "she", so I use "she".

I will not use the word 'they' in the singular impersonal context. However, if the pronoun is to apply to an individual who has made known his/her preference, then I will respect the preference.

Angua

08-02-2021 14:29

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36069841)

Some prefer the gender neutral use. It avoids problems when addressing someone whose name gives no clues. There are others would be highly offended were you to use a gender specific term.

All just people, regardless, the obsession with labelling everything is the real problem.

Maggy

08-02-2021 14:43

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I think I'll stick with using the term you.

Paul	08-02-2021 16:06

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Are "you" leaving as opposed to are "they" leaving might be a little confusing ...

Mad Max

08-02-2021 21:13

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36069852)

I think I'll stick with using the term you.

Or "It" maybe.....:D

pip08456

15-02-2021 17:18

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

I wonder when they'll start teaching this also?

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“We define transability as the desire or the need for a person identified as able-bodied by other people to transform his or her body to obtain a physical impairment,” says Alexandre Baril, a Quebec born academic who will present on “transability” at this week’s Congress of the Social Sciences and Humanities at the University of Ottawa.
“The person could want to become deaf, blind, amputee, paraplegic. It’s a really, really strong desire.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...working-bodies

Mad Max

15-02-2021 17:21

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36070779)

I wonder when they'll start teaching this also?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...working-bodies

Nut job!

Sephiroth

15-02-2021 18:51

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36070779)

I wonder when they'll start teaching this also?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...working-bodies

He needs to triaxellate his recursion matrix. (from Star Trek Voyager)

... Transobabble.

Pierre

25-02-2021 22:09

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

http://news.sky.com/story/mr-potato-...utral-12228877

But what is Mrs Potato Head going to be called?

Hugh	25-02-2021 22:19

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

Since neither actually had genitalia, one can only imagine they identified as Mr and Mrs Potato Head, rather than actually being Mr and Mrs Potato Head...

Perhaps they were both cross-dressers?

Paul	25-02-2021 22:28

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

You could not make this nonsense up.

(well ok, the woke/pc brigade clearly can make this nonsense up).

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Look out Mr Men, they will be coming for you next.

TheDaddy

25-02-2021 22:34

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

They're at it again, this time setting quotas for working class employees, they can't help but provide the ammunition for people and organisations to shoot them down with, who thinks this crap up and more importantly how much are they being paid

Mr K	25-02-2021 22:35

Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36072026)

You could not make this nonsense up.

(well ok, the woke/pc brigade clearly can make this nonsense up).[COLOR="Silver"]

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Look out Mr Men, they will be coming for you next.

Mr Tickle is a very suspect character. Surprised he's still at large.

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