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Tinky 12-12-2020 19:39

Adobe flash Player
 
What does this mean, and will it affect my internet activity in any way, please?


https://www.adobe.com/uk/products/fl...d-of-life.html

Paul 12-12-2020 20:39

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Unlikely to have much effect.
Very few sites use Flash these days.

Chris 13-12-2020 01:02

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Flash is an abomination that uses a ton of resources and makes websites more difficult to access for visually impaired users. I don’t think anyone will miss it.

Taf 13-12-2020 12:02

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
There are still many sites that use it for mindless games.

Tinky 13-12-2020 12:15

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Happy to hear there is nothing to worry about, thank you for your replies.:)

Dude111 18-12-2020 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf
There are still many sites that use it for mindless games.

Yes and I hope they cant affect me on Win98se!!!!

I play games alot and think it sucks they think they can stop everyone from using it!!! https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/12/1.gif

I use and enjoy flash,shockwave and java games!!


I have tried to find an email address for adobe but of course you cant find one :mad: (I wanna tell them what I think)

BenMcr 18-12-2020 10:28

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Flash on that version of Windows hasn't been updated for 10 years, so I wouldn't think the kill switch is in there either.

SnoopZ 18-12-2020 16:22

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36062622)
Yes and I hope they cant affect me on Win98se!!!!

I play games alot and think it sucks they think they can stop everyone from using it!!! https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/12/1.gif

I use and enjoy flash,shockwave and java games!!


I have tried to find an email address for adobe but of course you cant find one :mad: (I wanna tell them what I think)

Dude you need to be realistic you can't expect all software to be supported forever, I'm afraid it's you that needs to move with the times and change.

Dude111 19-12-2020 00:18

What do ya mean buddy,willingly give up flash and other fun stuff I like to do??

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr
Flash on that version of Windows hasn't been updated for 10 years, so I wouldn't think the kill switch is in there either.

Well when I first read the announcement by them weeks ago they made it sound like they were gonna stop it from working ON ALL PLATFORMS and it majorly pissed me off!!

They are trying to remove all fun aspects of using a computer it seems!!

cimt 19-12-2020 00:31

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
No, they're actually realising that Flash is a horrible piece of software and everyone has moved on to much better alternatives. You just need to move on and start living in the modern era because soon you'll barely be able to use the internet due to using such outdated software.

SnoopZ 19-12-2020 00:47

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36062726)
No, they're actually realising that Flash is a horrible piece of software and everyone has moved on to much better alternatives. You just need to move on and start living in the modern era because soon you'll barely be able to use the internet due to using such outdated software.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Taf 19-12-2020 11:45

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
I very reluctantly moved from a totally stable Vista PC to a new one running Win10.

Vista just made things so difficult as sites refused to open, software was unable to be updated, and some software suddenly refused to run at all.

A few tweaks with Classic Shell, and Win10 now looks and acts like Vista (and is a lot more user-friendly in that mode). There are a few Win10 oddities that linger, but I rarely use them anyway. And Microsoft dumping Edge on my machine was met with my deleting all icons for it (it appears to be stuck to the PC like superglue).

And, after using the flaky Firefox for a while, I returned to Opera which flies on Win10.

SnoopZ 19-12-2020 12:34

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36062749)
I very reluctantly moved from a totally stable Vista PC to a new one running Win10.

Vista just made things so difficult as sites refused to open, software was unable to be updated, and some software suddenly refused to run at all.

A few tweaks with Classic Shell, and Win10 now looks and acts like Vista (and is a lot more user-friendly in that mode). There are a few Win10 oddities that linger, but I rarely use them anyway. And Microsoft dumping Edge on my machine was met with my deleting all icons for it (it appears to be stuck to the PC like superglue).

And, after using the flaky Firefox for a while, I returned to Opera which flies on Win10.

You should try Vivaldi or Edge Chromium they're both far better than the Chinese owned Opera. Vivaldi is from the original creators of Opera.

cimt 19-12-2020 12:56

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Brave is also a good one too. My main is Vivaldi though on laptop and my phone.

SnoopZ 19-12-2020 13:33

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36062753)
Brave is also a good one too. My main is Vivaldi though on laptop and my phone.

Lastpass doesn't worked with Vivaldi on Android which bugs me, so I'm using Edge which works well.

Stuart 21-12-2020 23:15

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36062672)
Dude you need to be realistic you can't expect all software to be supported forever, I'm afraid it's you that needs to move with the times and change.

20 years or so ago, Flash was a very useful tool to web designers. It could do a lot of stuff that HTML couldn't, and was cross platform. OK, so Java could also do a lot of the same things, but flash was easier, and the player had a much lighter footprint.

But time marches on. Most of the extra features Flash offered over HTML are now offered by the browsers themselves, through HTML 5. This includes (AFAIK) games, but I think the people who would have been the target market for flash games are now playing much the same sort of games on their mobile phones, usually downloaded from the Apple or Google App stores.

The market for web sites with a flash interface (some of which did look very impressive) has, I think largely been killed off by the various legal requirements to make websites accessible to disabled users, and the remainder has been replaced by CSS styles. There is also the fact it's no longer trendy to have an all singing all dancing website, with loads of bells and whistles. People want one that is functional and pretty.. Not one with loads of flash movies playing in the background and Midi tunes on every page.

Then there are the thousands of security flaws. The black sheep of security was previously Microsoft, with dozens of vulnerabilities being found in their software weekly. Then ,they smartened up their act, and the hackers moved on to Adobe, finding Acrobat/Adobe Reader and Flash Player to be particularly rich sources of vulnerabilities. Acrobat and Adobe Reader are still needed, where as Flash Player has largely fallen out of use, so it's logical that Adobe cancel it, and devote resources to securing Adobe Reader.

And it's only the Player that's going. Adobe Flash itself is still around (under the name Adobe Animate), and is primarily focused on HTML 5 generation.

Dude111 22-12-2020 05:21

Ya its sad...... I have fun playing games like this

FROZEN BUBBLE: http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/play.html (Java)

and this

FROGGER: http://tinyurl.com/n3zc2kw (Shockwave)

and.......

HELICOPTER GAME: http://web.archive.org/web/20030407215621/http://www.hurtwood.demon.co.uk/Fun/copter.swf (flash)

cimt 22-12-2020 10:50

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
No one called it sad. Just that there is better alternatives out there these days to Flash player that are much more secure and less resource hogging.

Dude111 24-12-2020 05:27

Can I play frogger on it?? (The link I posted above)

Thats not boggy or anything,it runs well :)

cimt 24-12-2020 10:25

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Yeah, as soon as I searched it I found one that didn't require Flash.

https://froggerclassic.appspot.com

BenMcr 24-12-2020 11:38

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36063563)
Yeah, as soon as I searched it I found one that didn't require Flash.

https://froggerclassic.appspot.com

But I bet that needs a modern browser - one that may not be available on Windows 98 SE!

Hugh 24-12-2020 11:52

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36063580)
But I bet that needs a modern browser - one that may not be available on Windows 98 SE!

Win98SE - that's a bit too modern.

Go for MS-DOS or DR-DOS, and if that's too up to date, CP/M :D

Stuart 26-12-2020 12:35

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cimt (Post 36063278)
No one called it sad. Just that there is better alternatives out there these days to Flash player that are much more secure and less resource hogging.

I certainly don’t think it’s sad. While there are flash sites I used to love, I haven’t logged on to them in years, and, tbh, can barely remember them.

I don’t have the flash player installed on my home pc. I did have it on my laptop (as part of home schooling my nephew needed to access a flash site) and computers at work, where it was, until this year, deployed by default as some of our internal systems required it.

In short, it was a good technology, but it’s time has passed, IMO.

Hugh 01-01-2021 14:35

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55497353
Quote:

Adobe Flash Player, the browser plug-in that brought rich animations and interactivity to the early web, has officially reached the end of its life.

Released in 1996, Flash was once one of the most popular ways for people to stream videos and play games online.

But it was plagued with security problems and failed to transition to the smartphone era.

Adobe will no longer offer security updates for Flash and has urged people to uninstall it.

It will also stop videos and animations running in its Flash Player from 12 January.
However
Quote:

An open, collaborative project known as Ruffle is working to develop software that can play Flash content in a web browser, without requiring a plug-in.

Paul 01-01-2021 14:46

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
I expect someone will release a patch that bypasses any flash player date testing.

Dude111 01-01-2021 17:24

Yes I reckon so Paul........ They really dont have a right to say people cant use ther product!! (Just cause they dropped it doesnt mean a thing)

Hugh 01-01-2021 21:48

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064570)
Yes I reckon so Paul........ They really dont have a right to say people cant use ther product!! (Just cause they dropped it doesnt mean a thing)

You can use it, they just won’t support it.

Chris 02-01-2021 00:10

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064570)
Yes I reckon so Paul........ They really dont have a right to say people cant use ther product!! (Just cause they dropped it doesnt mean a thing)

Actually they can. You don’t own software, you have a license to use it. That license usually includes a clause stating that the owner can revoke it.

pip08456 02-01-2021 01:42

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36064623)
Actually they can. You don’t own software, you have a license to use it. That license usually includes a clause stating that the owner can revoke it.

Especially when it is free and not open source.

Dude111 03-01-2021 04:49

Hm, thats a good point!!! (Didnt think of that)

Well I hope they dont do that!!! (I just played Frogger :))

SnoopZ 03-01-2021 10:04

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36064831)
Hm, thats a good point!!! (Didnt think of that)

Well I hope they dont do that!!! (I just played Frogger :))

You can still use your flash games it won't stop over night.

1. You still have sources for where the games are.
2. You keep backups of the last Flash download to make it easy to find.

But as the years go on it's going to get less and less..... Unless you get a bit more modern and flash games get updated to run using another technology.

Dude111 04-01-2021 05:10

Ya I hear ya Snoop....... They always make things harder FOR NO BLASTED REASON it seems....


Its all very sad :(

Hugh 04-01-2021 10:21

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36065006)
Ya I hear ya Snoop....... They always make things harder FOR NO BLASTED REASON it seems....


Its all very sad :(

Except for security issues, technology advances, and the fact there are better things out there...

SnoopZ 04-01-2021 12:44

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
What Hugh said.

Stuart 06-01-2021 11:16

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Dude111, you could try https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/

I think that had Adobe been able to get the security vulnerabilities under control, we'd likely have Flash player for a few more years yet.

Sadly, they couldn't. Doing so would likely have required a massive investment, and when most modern browsers can do virtually everything we previously needed Flash Player for using built in functionality, Adobe probably thought they wouldn't see enough of a return on that investment.

As for no reason, I think Hugh got it right.. Security should be a massive issue for anyone who even connects a computer to the internet. Disabling a product that is both a massive source of security problems and barely used by most people is, IMO, a no brainer.

Personally, I can't remember the last time I used a flash website. The only computer I had it installed on (which has since been re-installed with no flash player) was my laptop. The only reason I had it installed is for home schooling. When they switched to home schooling in March, the school my Niece and Nephew go to required they go to one website that, at that time, still required flash.

Thankfully, it seems to have been updated now.

nashville 07-01-2021 17:36

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
I was informed on my pc that my Adobe flash would have been out of date at the end of 2020 and to uninstall it, when I did this it came up with reinstalled ,

SnoopZ 07-01-2021 17:39

Re: Adobe flash Player
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36065650)
I was informed on my pc that my Adobe flash would have been out of date at the end of 2020 and to uninstall it, when I did this it came up with reinstalled ,

It's uninstalled the old version first and reinstalled the latest, personally if you don't use it then uninstall it.


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