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Chris

13-11-2020 17:30

Dominic Cummings has resigned

BBC is now reporting Dom has left with immediate effect

Hugh	13-11-2020 17:32

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36057927)

BBC is now reporting Dom has left with immediate effect

To spend more time with his family?

Maggy

13-11-2020 17:35

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All seems so Yes Minister.

papa smurf

13-11-2020 17:38

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057929)

To spend more time with his family?

Another trip to barnard castle then.

joglynne

13-11-2020 17:54

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I suspect that Boris has played him a song to send him on his way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEWT...annel=RonWells

papa smurf

13-11-2020 17:57

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Who are people going to hate now :shrug:

Hugh	13-11-2020 17:59

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Yesterday

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Mr Cummings told the BBC "rumours of me threatening to resign are invented", after speculation this week.

Today

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Mr Cummings was pictured leaving No 10 carrying boxes

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1605290432

I wonder if Boris’s head is in that box?

Damien

13-11-2020 18:05

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I thought they had a back door for people leaving.

Apparently Johnson told both Cummings and Lee Cain to leave today: https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...06000949522432

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PM held a 45 minute meeting with Dom Cummings and Lee Cain this afternoon

All sides say Number 10 team has been very upset this week by sudden announcement of their departures - morale very low, talk of toxic atmosphere

PM said he felt it best if both of them left today

RichardCoulter

13-11-2020 19:23

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36057930)

All seems so Yes Minister.

Absolutely, unfortunately the real life version isn't as amusing.

Mr K	13-11-2020 19:28

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36057939)

I thought they had a back door for people leaving.

There is, he's just a prima donna drama queen. Bet there was nothing in his box.

Trump and Cummings gone. Good week :)

Dave42

13-11-2020 19:29

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good riddance

RichardCoulter

13-11-2020 19:30

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36057965)

There is, he's just a prima donna drama queen. Bet there was nothing in his box.

Exactly, he'll have done it to try and embarrass Johnson out of spite.

OLD BOY

13-11-2020 19:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36057929)

To spend more time with his family?

I heard it was to spend more time with his optician. He'll save a small fortune not having to drive around and around checking his eyes out, so it makes sense. :D

Mad Max

13-11-2020 19:33

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I wonder if Starmer has the balls to get shot of Corbyn.

OLD BOY

13-11-2020 19:38

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I thought he was encouraging him back.

Mr K	13-11-2020 19:41

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057977)

I thought he was encouraging him back.

What Boris has changed his mind about Dom already? Got confused about which is his arse and elbow again ? It is tricky ;)

1andrew1

13-11-2020 19:44

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36057932)

Another trip to barnard castle then.

Maybe he can't ask for a recount? Was it just lawful votes that got Cummings fired?

Dave42

13-11-2020 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36057971)

I wonder if Starmer has the balls to get shot of Corbyn.

hopefully party be better off without Corbyn

OLD BOY

13-11-2020 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36057979)

What Boris has changed his mind about Dom already? Got confused about which is his arse and elbow again ? It is tricky ;)

I was referring to Starmer and Corbyn!

Mad Max

13-11-2020 19:46

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36057982)

hopefully party be better off with Corbyn

You are joking, right?

1andrew1

13-11-2020 19:47

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36057979)

What Boris has changed his mind about Dom already? Got confused about which is his arse and elbow again ? It is tricky ;)

His Head of Staff has now stepped up and is making the importat decisions. Having seen how the last 12 months have gone, I don't blame her!

Mr K	13-11-2020 19:47

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36057983)

I was referring to Starmer and Corbyn!

Strange, the thread is about Mr Cummings ;)

Mad Max

13-11-2020 19:50

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36057986)

Strange, the thread is about Mr Cummings ;)

Seems that you have mentioned Trump, strange that.;)

Dave42

13-11-2020 19:55

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36057984)

You are joking, right?

i meant without did a typo sorry want Corbrn no where near the labour party can not stand him hopefully all the Corbyn cronies go too

Corbyn was main reason tories won 80 seat majority

1andrew1

13-11-2020 19:57

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Great comment in the FT.com :D

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Quinctius

12 November: Rishi Sunak lights Diwali candles outside 11 Downing Street. Diwali candles represent the extirpation of evil and the banishment of evildoers.

13 November: Dominic Cummings packs his belongings up into a cardboard box and leaves Downing Street.

How does one convert to Hinduism?

Mad Max

13-11-2020 20:02

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36057990)

i meant without did a typo sorry want Corbrn no where near the labour party can not stand him hopefully all the Corbyn cronies go too

Corbyn was main reason tories won 80 seat majority

Phew, thank goodness for that....:)

RichardCoulter

13-11-2020 20:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36057992)

Great comment in the FT.com :D

:D:D:D:D

daveeb

13-11-2020 20:40

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36057927)

BBC is now reporting Dom has left with immediate effect

A very public exit for the cameras I wonder if the puppetmasters strings have genuinely been cut.

denphone

13-11-2020 20:44

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Dominic Cummings gone...

Donald Trump gone...

And a vaccine breakthrough..

Things are certainly looking up..:)

Hugh	13-11-2020 20:57

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https://www.ft.com/content/6f0fc7a4-...4-57d9c8419551

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Mr Cummings resigned after Mr Johnson indicated that he was going to cut loose the Brexit campaigners who had sustained his rise to power and helped him win an 80-seat Commons majority in December last year.

Mr Johnson held a 45-minute meeting with Mr Cummings and Mr Cain on Friday to discuss their “general behaviour” this week, according to individuals with knowledge of the conversation.

In tense exchanges, Mr Johnson accused his aides of briefing against him and his partner Carrie Symonds and criticised them for destabilising the government in the midst of tense Brexit negotiations.

Mr Johnson showed the aides text messages that had been forwarded to Ms Symonds, who opposed Mr Cain’s appointment as chief of staff, to show they had briefed against her. He told them to get out and never return.

Tory officials said Mr Cummings and Mr Cain would continue to do some work for Number 10 until mid-December but were expected to operate from home.

Mr Johnson, who refused to make Mr Cain his chief of staff, is looking to usher in a more consensual style of politics in 2021, more in tune with the conventional politics returning to the US under president-elect Joe Biden.

Mr Johnson’s remaining team inside Number 10 is braced for Mr Cummings’ revenge. Vote Leave advisers have complained privately about the prime minister’s inability to make big decisions and his lack of grip on detail.

“I’m told there is a blog coming. Spads [special advisers] are preparing about how to respond,” said one official. “It’s really the last days of Rome in here.”

Some say that Mr Cummings — who became frustrated at the slow progress in implementing his own agenda of civil service reform, defence reforms and science projects — will seek to blame Mr Johnson.

Damien

13-11-2020 21:05

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Amazing! So Cummings and Cain were trying to pin it on Carrie Symonds and someone ratted them out!

So Cain/Cummings leaked Cain would be Chief of Staff and that his partner was against it so that if he wasn't appointed it would look like Johnson is making decisions based on the orders of his wife!

Also, if true, how nasty is Cummings? Johnson spent a lot of political capital keeping Cummings in the post after his little drive and he does this to him.

Mr K	13-11-2020 21:10

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36058026)

Cummings is very nasty and his eyesight is suspect.

Boris is just incompetent. I can cope with that as long as he's not in charge of a country in the middle of a pandemic and about to commit economic suicide on our behalf.

1andrew1

13-11-2020 21:25

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36058026)

That is probably the situation but the FT article suggests Carrie Symonds was genuinely against Cain becoming Chief of Staff.
"Mr Johnson showed the aides text messages that had been forwarded to Ms Symonds, who opposed Mr Cain’s appointment as chief of staff, to show they had briefed against her."

Mr K	13-11-2020 21:29

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Carrie's a nice name isn't it? I think so :)
The power behind the blob?

GrimUpNorth

13-11-2020 21:49

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36058042)

Carrie's a nice name isn't it? I think so :)

It was one of my favourite films back in my teens.

RichardCoulter

13-11-2020 21:59

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36058052)

It was one of my favourite films back in my teens.

Back in the days when horror films were any good.

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It's ironic that Johnson doesn't like it when others do it to him.

I wonder if this means he's going to soften his views on the EU, obviously not leaving as that's taken place, but on co-operation going forward??

Mick	13-11-2020 22:04

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Peston just tweeted saying a source still within government, the Carrie stuff is untrue.

Mr K	13-11-2020 22:06

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36058052)

It was one of my favourite films back in my teens.

Yes a good one but a bit too much blood for me in the finale....

RichardCoulter

13-11-2020 22:06

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36058063)

Peston just tweeted saying a source still within government, the Carrie stuff is untrue.

If this isn't true, I wonder what happened for Johnson to boot him out? I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash.

newapollo

13-11-2020 22:19

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Spitting Image Goodbye Dominic https://bit.ly/3ptGY6c

1andrew1

13-11-2020 22:50

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I'm guessing there will be something in his blog in due course and I'm sure the Sunday newspapers will have a lot of coverage too.

jfman

13-11-2020 22:53

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36058084)

I'm guessing there will be something in his blog in due course and I'm sure the Sunday newspapers will have a lot of coverage too.

If he's serving his notice at home he's probably going to be quiet for 4 weeks or so.

Dave42

13-11-2020 23:06

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36058063)

Peston just tweeted saying a source still within government, the Carrie stuff is untrue.

Ann Widdecombe reckons it over brexit as Johnson dont want a no deal according to her but the truth will out eventually

1andrew1

13-11-2020 23:26

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36058085)

If he's serving his notice at home he's probably going to be quiet for 4 weeks or so.

For anyone else, I would agree with you. But Dom may follow his own rules.

jfman

13-11-2020 23:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36058092)

For anyone else, I would agree with you. But Dom may follow his own rules.

He's a clever guy and there's plenty of money for him to make in politics. Pissing on your former boss to the Sunday papers at the first opportunity isn't a good look.

I disagree with him about most things but if/when he exerts revenge on Boris I'd expect it to be further down the line, indirect and politically motivated.

1andrew1

14-11-2020 00:31

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36058093)

I wouldn't expect him to open up to the Sundays but they will doubtless publish stories from people close to the action.

His next course of action depends really on what he wants to do next. But he doesn't want to make himself a risky hire at this stage.

RichardCoulter

14-11-2020 00:32

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36058087)

Ann Widdecombe reckons it over brexit as Johnson dont want a no deal according to her but the truth will out eventually

Understandably so, as a recent poll said that most people in the UK would blame him in the event of a no deal outcome.

jfman

14-11-2020 00:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36058099)

I bet he could write a compelling book. :)

If he were to see himself as an election strategist/media pundit that'd be quite a safe wheeze for him.

Hugh	14-11-2020 09:38

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Hugo Rifkind’s column in the Times today is quite amusing

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...nson-bv82ml0dc

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Friday
Dom has gone. He left this afternoon, wearing a suit and carrying a cardboard box. And I think we all know that could easily have been the other way around.

Anyway, some influential backbenchers have requested a meeting, now he’s out of the picture.

Some of them have never forgiven him for calling them “useful idiots”, because they definitely weren’t useful on purpose. Others are still smarting about the way he drove to Durham and discredited the lockdown they all disagree with.

Maggy

14-11-2020 10:05

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He's gone. What's next around the corner?

1andrew1

14-11-2020 10:39

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36058127)

He's gone. What's next around the corner?

From Sophy Ridge:

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Simon Coveney, Ireland's foreign minister, said that what happens next week is "crucial".

He added: "If we don't have a deal at some point next week, I think we have real problems."

It is incredible to take a step back and think that at such a critical moment - a week that could have profound consequences for the future of the UK and Europe - the prime minister has lost two of his most important aides and been distracted by one of the most vicious Downing Street battles that Westminster-watchers can remember.

https://news.sky.com/story/cummings-...limax-12132077

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36058104)

I bet he could write a compelling book. :)

If he were to see himself as an election strategist/media pundit that'd be quite a safe wheeze for him.

Yes, the Cummings Diaries would make a great Christmas present! Will they reveal he did in fact make a second trip to Durham, thereby stabbing BoJo in the back who said he had seen evidence proving he hadn't? (I don't think he did but it would drop BoJo in it if he proved he had and get the book valuable publicity.)
He does seem to have a knack when describing Ministers with the terms "thick as mince” and “as lazy as a toad” deployed to describe David Davis. He could probably do a good book-signing tour, coinciding with party conferences.

I suspect he will work in something behind the scenes, likely tech-related, as oppose to pundatory. You want more likeable personalities as media pundits.

Maggy

14-11-2020 11:30

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Actually folks I was wondering what's around the corner for all of the useless shower in government..

Carth

14-11-2020 11:33

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36058148)

Actually folks I was wondering what's around the corner for all of the useless shower in government..

Well paid consultancy jobs somewhere if they follow form ;)

jfman

14-11-2020 11:43

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36058148)

Actually folks I was wondering what's around the corner for all of the useless shower in government..

Presumably some kind of Brexit deal that Dom couldn’t stomach. No more Civil Service reform.

1andrew1

14-11-2020 12:50

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36058148)

Actually folks I was wondering what's around the corner for all of the useless shower in government..

I would imagine Carrie will put her stamp on things, starting with a focus on the environment. ;)

Sephiroth

14-11-2020 15:20

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This picture in the Torygraph amused me, sort of. A great and fearless newspaper.

jfman

14-11-2020 15:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36058187)

This picture in the Torygraph amused me, sort of. A great and fearless newspaper.

To be a fly on that wall...

Pierre

15-11-2020 18:55

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You can do whatever you want, except take the piss out of the PM’s wife. That’s a line you can’t cross!

Hugh	15-11-2020 19:15

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36058353)

You can do whatever you want, except take the piss out of the PM’s wife. That’s a line you can’t cross!

Which one? His first (Allegra Mostyn-Owen), his second (Marina Wheeler*), his current girlfriend (Carrie Symonds), his previous girlfriends Petronella Wyatt**, Anna Fazackerley***, Helen MacIntyre**, or Jennifer Arcuri**.

*who was his girlfriend when he was married to Allegra Mostyn-Owen
** who was his girlfriend when he was married to Marina Wheeler
*** who was his girlfriend when he was married to Marina Wheeler and was going out with Petronella Wyatt

(Other girlfriends may exist, but, you know, super injunctions...)

papa smurf

15-11-2020 19:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36058360)

I believe he means princess nut nut.

Mr K	15-11-2020 19:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36058361)

I believe he means princess nut nut.

Get it right, 'Princess Nut Nuts'.

Her choice of spouse doesn't help refute the name, however I like her ;)

TheDaddy

15-11-2020 21:26

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36058361)

I believe he means princess nut nut.

Hope you're not on the boat, I fear it's about to be unexpectedly sunk

Hugh	23-04-2021 17:20

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It’s all about to get very interesting....

Background - No. 10 ‘sources*’ are alleging that Dominic Cummings leaked the text messages between Dyson and BoJo (and others) - Dom C has taken extreme umbrage at this...

*BoJo’s Director of Communications, Jack Doyle

https://dominiccummings.com/2021/04/...-claims-today/

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2. Re lockdown. Last year there was a meeting between the PM, Cabinet Secretary, the Director of Communications and me regarding the leak of the decision for a further lockdown on the Friday evening immediately after the meeting in the Cabinet Room that made the decision (known in the media as ‘the chatty rat story’). The Cabinet Secretary told the PM that the leak was neither me nor the then Director of Communications and that ‘all the evidence definitely leads to Henry Newman and others in that office, I’m just trying to get the communications data to prove it’. The PM was very upset about this. He said to me afterwards, ‘If Newman is confirmed as the leaker then I will have to fire him, and this will cause me very serious problems with Carrie as they’re best friends … [pause] perhaps we could get the Cabinet Secretary to stop the leak inquiry?”

I told him that this was ‘mad’ and totally unethical, that he had ordered the inquiry himself and authorised the Cabinet Secretary to use more invasive methods than are usually applied to leak inquiries because of the seriousness of the leak. I told him that he could not possibly cancel an inquiry about a leak that affected millions of people, just because it might implicate his girlfriend’s friends. I refused to try to persuade the Cabinet Secretary to stop the inquiry and instead I encouraged the Cabinet Secretary to conduct the inquiry without any concern for political ramifications. I told the Cabinet Secretary that I would support him regardless of where the inquiry led. I warned some officials that the PM was thinking about cancelling the inquiry. They would give evidence to this effect under oath to any inquiry. I also have WhatsApp messages with very senior officials about this matter which are definitive.

Shortly afterwards the Cabinet Secretary authorised the PM’s then Official Spokesman to tell the media that his inquiry had shown that neither I nor the then Director of Communications were the ‘lockdown leakers’ and he confirmed to me in writing that he had so instructed the PM’s then Official Spokesman (who subsequently left). The PM himself also confirmed in writing that the leak inquiry had shown that neither I nor the then Director of Communications was the leaker, describing rumours to this effect as ‘total bullshit’.

The PM therefore knows that I was not the source of the leak and that the Cabinet Secretary authorised the Prime Minister’s Official Spokesman to tell the media this, yet he has now authorised his DOC to make this accusation.

The Cabinet Secretary knows the above is true and obviously can see our messages regarding this on his own phone. He behaved with complete integrity during this difficult incident.

These events contributed to my decision to stick to my plan to leave No10 by 18 December, which I had communicated to the PM in July the day before my long-delayed operation.

3. Re the flat. The Prime Minister’s DOC has also made accusations regarding me and leaks concerning the PM’s renovation of his flat. The PM stopped speaking to me about this matter in 2020 as I told him I thought his plans to have donors secretly pay for the renovation were unethical, foolish, possibly illegal and almost certainly broke the rules on proper disclosure of political donations if conducted in the way he intended. I refused to help him organise these payments. My knowledge about them is therefore limited. I would be happy to tell the Cabinet Secretary or Electoral Commission what I know concerning this matter.

4. I have made the offer to hand over some private text messages, even though I am under no legal obligation to do so, because of the seriousness of the claims being made officially by No10 today, particularly the covid leak that caused serious harm to millions. This does not mean that I will answer every allegation made by No10.

The proper way for such issues to be handled is via an urgent Parliamentary inquiry into the government’s conduct over the covid crisis which ought to take evidence from all key players under oath and have access to documents. Issues concerning covid and/or the PM’s conduct should not be handled as No10 has handled them over the past 24 hours. I will cooperate fully with any such inquiry and am happy to give evidence under oath. I am happy for No10 to publish every email I received and sent July 2019-November 2020 (with no exceptions other than, obviously, some national security / intelligence issues).

It is sad to see the PM and his office fall so far below the standards of competence and integrity the country deserves.

I will not engage in media briefing regarding these issues but will answer questions about any of these issues to Parliament on 26 May for as long as the MPs want.

Mr K	23-04-2021 18:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077797)

He can hardly complain, exactly the dark arts he got up to. Guess he's trying to Take Back Control, ;) I'm more inclined to believe Bozza which is saying something. Dommy's an habitual liar which doesn't help his case.

As Caesar in Carry on Cleo said, shortly before his demise, 'Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me !'

Sephiroth

23-04-2021 19:49

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What DC says about Boris, Carrie and Carrie's friend smells right to me.

Mr K	23-04-2021 20:11

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077806)

What DC says about Boris, Carrie and Carrie's friend smells right to me.

Carrie is lovely, she likes bunny rabbits and green space. I like her, and so does your mate Bozza. Mind you, she must also be severely myopic. ;)

GrimUpNorth

23-04-2021 20:14

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Nice attempt by No 10 to try and stir up a lynch mob to go after Dom he must have known it would happen when the need arose, particularly as it's something straight out of his playbook. It's a very poor attempt to try and deflect from the fact that Bozza should have reported his texts etc and didn't. Can't say I'm surprised by either behaviour to be honest, it's what I've come to expect from this mob.

Mad Max

23-04-2021 20:46

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36077809)

Nice attempt by No 10 to try and stir up a lynch mob to go after Dom he must have known it would happen when the need arise, particularly as it's something straight out of his playbook. It's a very poor attempt to try and reflect from the fact that Bozza should have reported his texts etc and didn't. Can't say I'm surprised by either behaviour to be honest, it's what I've come to expect from this mob.

Aww ffs, if he didn't do what he did you'd all be moaning minnies, saying, he should have done more, our vaccination levels are one of the best in the world, yet we still get the doomsayers, he did what he did in the emergency that was upon us, and imo got it right.

Mr K	23-04-2021 21:04

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077812)

The highest death toll in Europe isn't 'getting it right'. Too slow to react, too inept and too stupid not to get the disease himself by ignoring his own advice. This
is our leader folks....

Mad Max

23-04-2021 21:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36077817)

The highest death toll in Europe isn't 'getting it right'. Too slow to react, too inept and too stupid not to get the disease himself by ignoring his own advice. This
is our leader folks....

That's now, lets see what it is when the idiots in the EU eventually vaccinate their own people.

Maggy

23-04-2021 21:48

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Let's try and leave out Covid from this thread please.The topic is Cummings.

1andrew1

23-04-2021 22:00

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I wonder what Michael Gove makes of it all? ;)

Reading the contradictions between Cummings' version of event and Johnson's is tricky. Who should I disbelieve?

GrimUpNorth

23-04-2021 22:56

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077812)

Not saying his promise to whoever to make it easy for them to supply whatever was needed during a national emergency was wrong. What is/was wrong is his failure to inform the civil service that he'd had the discussions in the first place. 10 out of 10 for the whataboutism though ;).

1andrew1

23-04-2021 23:02

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36077827)

Also processing of competent suppliers who could help the country in its time of need was delayed as civil servants had to deal with requests to push through deals from inexperienced suppliers well connected to government.

pip08456

23-04-2021 23:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077828)

You have evidence of that Andrew especially relating to ventilators? A link would be helpful.

Hugh	23-04-2021 23:36

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36077831)

You have evidence of that Andrew especially relating to ventilators? A link would be helpful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56851877

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During an urgent hearing before the High Court, the campaigners' lawyers presented an email from an official working in the PPE sourcing team, which reveal concerns about this "high priority" route.

"We are currently drowning in VIP requests and 'high priority' contacts that despite all of our work and best efforts do not either hold the correct certification or do not pass due diligence," the unnamed official wrote.

The email says that an offer that jumped "to the front of the queue" had a "knock on effect to the remaining offers of help".

pip08456

23-04-2021 23:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077833)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56851877

What part of "especially relating to ventilators" didn't you understand?

How about a bit of politeness with your point scoring?

1andrew1

24-04-2021 07:56

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36077831)

You have evidence of that Andrew especially relating to ventilators? A link would be helpful.

I can try and help you on this when I'm back from holiday next Thursday. I've been talking about suppliers in my post.

Hugh	24-04-2021 09:28

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36077835)

What part of "especially relating to ventilators" didn't you understand?

How about a bit of politeness with your point scoring?

Well, since he hadn’t mentioned ventilators, it seemed you were trying to channel/narrow the conversation, so I was responding to the general point he had raised.

1andrew1

24-04-2021 10:43

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Keeping on topic, it's a fascinating development.

Cummings has fired a few warning shots to BoJo to ensure he is not used as an excuse. But is there more to this than meets the eye? I'm sure the Sunday newspapers will have a view.

Hugh	26-04-2021 00:00

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Has Boris upset the Daily Mail?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1619391706

Paul	26-04-2021 00:06

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They have obviously run out of real news.

1andrew1

26-04-2021 07:59

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36077942)

They have obviously run out of real news.

Do you think it's fake newsl? Or just not important enough to be newsworthy?

papa smurf

26-04-2021 08:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077939)

Has Boris upset the Daily Mail?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1619391706

The real story here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ses-deaths-ont

Hope this helps.

Hugh	26-04-2021 09:36

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36077956)

The real story here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ses-deaths-ont

Hope this helps.

It’s exactly the same story that is in the Daily Mail, including the denial - hope that helps...

BoJo & friends deny BoJo did something wrong - the same people who denied he had an affair with Arcuri when she received funding from the Council he was Mayor of London?

1andrew1

26-04-2021 11:31

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Who is the most honest out of Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson? I'm stumped. BoJo was sacked for lying and Cummings' Durham Castle trip was unconvincing.

pip08456

26-04-2021 11:48

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077844)

Well, since he hadn’t mentioned ventilators, it seemed you were trying to channel/narrow the conversation, so I was responding to the general point he had raised.

I was referring to the current Boris/Dyson arrangement which did revolve around ventilators.
It is also worth noting they weren't needed after all, the need for ventilators was overestimated and Dyson stood the £20m development costs.

Sephiroth

26-04-2021 11:48

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077964)

Who is the most honest out of Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson? I'm stumped. BoJo was sacked for lying and Cummings' Durham Castle trip was unconvincing.

Cummings' Barnard Castle trip was no more than most of us did during lockdown - in one form or another.

That just leaves Boris.

Damien

26-04-2021 12:13

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ITV are reporting that they also have sources about the 'bodies piling high' comment: https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-26/...usands-comment

papa smurf

26-04-2021 12:17

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36077971)

ITV are reporting that they also have sources about the 'bodies piling high' comment: https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-26/...usands-comment

All we care about now is pubs and holidays :)

Damien

26-04-2021 14:00

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BBC now too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...om3=%40BBCNews

Hugh	26-04-2021 15:03

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077967)

Cummings' Barnard Castle trip was no more than most of us did during lockdown - in one form or another.

That just leaves Boris.

Pretty sure most of us didn't take a test drive with our families to check our eyesight, or drive over 250 miles to self-isolate...

1andrew1

26-04-2021 18:40

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36077985)

BBC now too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...om3=%40BBCNews

I'm guessing that Boris Johnson will survive this revelation as he has survived the others.

Hugh	26-04-2021 19:05

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Speaking of which...

https://twitter.com/peston/status/13...550652428?s=21

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1619460103

https://cms.entertainment.ie/wp-cont...father-ted.gif

1andrew1

26-04-2021 19:18

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I thought the unusual act of giving Dominic Cummings access to the Rose Garden to present his side to his lockdown Durham trip was because he knew where the bodies were buried. We're now starting to see what those bodies look like and they don't look nice.

Sephiroth

27-04-2021 13:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077993)

Pretty sure most of us didn't take a test drive with our families to check our eyesight, or drive over 250 miles to self-isolate...

But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078027)

Sorry, Andrew. Yours is a vacuous statement.

TheDaddy

27-04-2021 16:19

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078098)

[COLOR="Blue"]But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.

When people set the rules for the rest to follow then their level of accountability should be far higher, if the people that make the rules don't obey them then why should the rest of us.

I think the man's a wretch anyway, if he felt this stuff so deplorable why not resign at the time? Why wait until he's been sacked to be spiteful and get some petty revenge.

Sephiroth

27-04-2021 17:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36078112)

There's no doubt that a lot of people will agree with you - for various reasons ranging from piety (nothing wrong with that) through hypocrisy to politics.

But if we turn your statement on it's head then you're implying that the likes of Cummings are less "entitled" to break the rules than the ordinary people who are judging him.

Chris

27-04-2021 18:29

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078114)

And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. ;) Bible verses available on request. :D

Sephiroth

27-04-2021 19:02

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36078116)

And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. ;) Bible verses available on request. :D

Then there is Matthew 7:

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1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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