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heavyside 25-08-2020 08:25

V6 and Bluetooth
 
Is it possible to use wireless headphones with the V6? I believe the V6 does not have Bluetooth built-in so it would probably need some kind of dongle. Does anyone have any experience with this?

jb66 25-08-2020 08:51

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36047649)
Is it possible to use wireless headphones with the V6? I believe the V6 does not have Bluetooth built-in so it would probably need some kind of dongle. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Normally you would connect headphones to the tv not the v6 and its quite a common thing, what headphones have you been looking at?

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 08:56

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Here's what I told Vince on another thread just yesterday.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=129
Spiderplant then told me there's a jack socket...so ignore the bit where I say you need optical. If connecting to the V6 itself you need headphones that have a base station with a normal headphone connector and/or optical.

I'm guessing you have existing headphones you were planning on using given your wording.

heavyside 25-08-2020 09:27

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 36047651)
Normally you would connect headphones to the tv not the v6 and its quite a common thing, what headphones have you been looking at?

I have some Sony over-the-ear Bluetooth headphones that I use to listen to music on my mobile phone. The sound quality is excellent and I wondered if it was possible to use them with my V6. My TV is a five-year-old B&O Beovision 11 and although it has a bewildering array of HDMI, Ethernet, USB and other connections at the back I am sure it does not have Bluetooth. That's why I think I might need a dongle.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047656)
Here's what I told Vince on another thread just yesterday.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=129
Spiderplant then told me there's a jack socket...so ignore the bit where I say you need optical. If connecting to the V6 itself you need headphones that have a base station with a normal headphone connector and/or optical.

I'm guessing you have existing headphones you were planning on using given your wording.

I missed that post of yours. It was helpful. I have some Sony Bluetooth headphones that have excellent sound quality that I wish to use. Reading your (and Spiderplant's) posts it seems I would still need an optical dongle of some sort.

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 09:29

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
This article called How To Connect Headphones To Any TV has answers heavyside. Including Bluetooth.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-c...nes-to-any-tv/

GrimUpNorth 25-08-2020 09:33

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
As the V6 apparently has a headphone socket (not got a V6 but you'd hope Spiderplant knows what he's talking about), you can get Bluetooth transmitters that connect to 3.5 mm headphone sockets. No idea if they're any good but Amazon have a large selection.

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 09:37

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
I'd forgotten about Bluetooth transmitters until I found that article (above).

I'll have a look at the selection for myself GrimUpNorth, using a 3.5mm socket they could extend the usefulness of many things.

BenMcr 25-08-2020 09:40

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Personally, I always think that if you can do it, connecting headphones to your TV is the better option.

It avoids any audio sync issues that comes from having the display output and audio output coming from different devices.

Though that does depend on the TV and whether the audio connection disconnects the TV speakers or not.

heavyside 25-08-2020 09:49

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047667)
This article called How To Connect Headphones To Any TV has answers heavyside. Including Bluetooth.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-c...nes-to-any-tv/

Thanks for that link. I had a quick browse on Amazon and there are quite a few TV/Bluetooth adaptors there. When I have a little more time I will take a longer look. It's looking like it is simpler to connect Bluetooth headphones that I first thought.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36047671)
Personally, I always think that if you can do it, connecting headphones to your TV is the better option.

It avoids any audio sync issues that comes from having the display output and audio output coming from different devices.

Though that does depend on the TV and whether the audio connection disconnects the TV speakers or not.

Yes, I will have to study this further. Thank you.

PS. Amazon have listed several USB Bluetooth dongles that I could plug straight into my TV which might do the job. I don't know how good the sound quality might be.

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 09:59

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Headphones directly into the TV normally cut out the audio to the room in my experience. Fine in most circumstances as that's the point.

If you have a hard of hearing person needing personal attention it's probably easier if you come straight from the V6, it doesn't cut out the TV when you plug in optical. My own set-up comes from the V6 with no sync issues I've noticed.

Ours is mainly used for late night watching without disturbing others, so I could plug it into the optical on the TV itself, but I like the flexibility and since there's no noticeable delay I keep it as it is.

heavyside 25-08-2020 10:16

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047681)
Headphones directly into the TV normally cut out the audio to the room in my experience. Fine in most circumstances as that's the point.

If you have a hard of hearing person needing personal attention it's probably easier if you come straight from the V6, it doesn't cut out the TV when you plug in optical. My own set-up comes from the V6 with no sync issues I've noticed.

Ours is mainly used for late night watching without disturbing others, so I could plug it into the optical on the TV itself, but I like the flexibility and since there's no noticeable delay I keep it as it is.

The TV audio cut-out when connected via Bluetooth is a good point. I had not considered that. I notice that the V6 box has a USB port at the back. I wonder if I plug a USB/Bluetooth dongle in there whether the sound to the TV will be muted or even if the V6 USB port is reserved for something other than this. Hard to know for a non-techie like myself.

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 10:30

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Fairly sure the V6 USB can't be used. Sure someone can confirm.

heavyside 25-08-2020 10:51

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047692)
Fairly sure the V6 USB can't be used. Sure someone can confirm.

You are correct. An online search tells me that the V6 USB port is currently disabled. I did find this on Amazon which might be the answer.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELEGIANT-Bl...s%2C169&sr=8-3

ozsat 25-08-2020 12:51

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
The V6 USB can not be used for data transfer but it is powered. It is switches the power off when the V6 goes into Eco sleep mode.

cheekyangus 25-08-2020 13:00

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36047726)
The V6 USB can not be used for data transfer but it is powered. It is switches the power off when the V6 goes into Eco sleep mode.

Thanks ozsat. :)

BenMcr 25-08-2020 13:57

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36047664)
My TV is a five-year-old B&O Beovision 11 and although it has a bewildering array of HDMI, Ethernet, USB and other connections at the back I am sure it does not have Bluetooth. That's why I think I might need a dongle.

With that TV you actually have some interesting options. Found this which is worth a read - it uses the built in 'Speaker Group' settings to define a Headphone output option.

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/13476.aspx

heavyside 25-08-2020 14:35

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36047731)
With that TV you actually have some interesting options. Found this which is worth a read - it uses the built in 'Speaker Group' settings to define a Headphone output option.

https://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/13476.aspx

Thanks, Ben. When you buy a B&O TV they send a couple of technicians with it to install and set it all up. At the back of the TV there are many connections - most of them propriety to B&O - including speaker groups. It's baffling to a mere mortal such as myself. Even the remote control has a tiny screen with access to layer upon layer of options. Being a plug-and-play sort of person I would not know where to start.

Joedm45 26-08-2020 13:23

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
I've found Bluetooth dongles work quite well, admittedly not tried one plugged into the V6 though, only my TV.

I picked one up from Amazon years ago, had a built in battery charged by USB and plugged into a 3.5mm audio jack. Battery wasn't great but as already discussd, you could use the USB port on the V6 to power it permanently.

Most TV's have their 3.5mm audio jack at the back so can be fiddly to keep connecting if not required all the time, especially if wall mounted. Therefore plugging into the V6 may be easier.

As a tester you could always plug a regular wired set of headphones into the V6 and see what happens. If that works as expected then no reason why a dongle wouldn't do the trick

heavyside 26-08-2020 13:47

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 36047832)
I've found Bluetooth dongles work quite well, admittedly not tried one plugged into the V6 though, only my TV.

I picked one up from Amazon years ago, had a built in battery charged by USB and plugged into a 3.5mm audio jack. Battery wasn't great but as already discussd, you could use the USB port on the V6 to power it permanently.

Most TV's have their 3.5mm audio jack at the back so can be fiddly to keep connecting if not required all the time, especially if wall mounted. Therefore plugging into the V6 may be easier.

As a tester you could always plug a regular wired set of headphones into the V6 and see what happens. If that works as expected then no reason why a dongle wouldn't do the trick

Thanks, I will try that before taking it further and investing in a dongle.

spiderplant 26-08-2020 14:10

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
You can plug headphones directly into the V6, but it's "line level" so the volume is a bit low on most headphones. And you don't have any control over the volume.

cheekyangus 26-08-2020 14:59

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36047843)
You can plug headphones directly into the V6, but it's "line level" so the volume is a bit low on most headphones. And you don't have any control over the volume.

Good to know. Glad mine have adjustable volume via V6's optical.

heavyside 26-08-2020 15:54

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 36047832)
I've found Bluetooth dongles work quite well, admittedly not tried one plugged into the V6 though, only my TV.

I picked one up from Amazon years ago, had a built in battery charged by USB and plugged into a 3.5mm audio jack. Battery wasn't great but as already discussd, you could use the USB port on the V6 to power it permanently.

Most TV's have their 3.5mm audio jack at the back so can be fiddly to keep connecting if not required all the time, especially if wall mounted. Therefore plugging into the V6 may be easier.

As a tester you could always plug a regular wired set of headphones into the V6 and see what happens. If that works as expected then no reason why a dongle wouldn't do the trick

OK, I plugged some wired headphones into the standard jack socket at the rear of the V6. The sound from the TV speaker remained on but there was a noticeable delay in the sound through the headphones and lipsync problems as a result. It was a very short delay but enough to spoil anything being watched. I don't know if connecting via the D Audio socket (is this the same as Optical?) would fix this.

There is no common-or-garden jack socket on the TV. I assume you can only connect up B&O headphones to it via one of their proprietary sockets.

BenMcr 26-08-2020 16:03

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36047857)
There is no common-or-garden jack socket on the TV. I assume you can only connect up B&O headphones to it via one of their proprietary sockets.

You need this apparently

https://soundsheavenly.com/televisio...#/9-length-18m

heavyside 26-08-2020 16:17

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36047858)

Nice find. Thanks. My idea was to use Bluetooth headphones so I would still need a dongle of some kind.

spiderplant 26-08-2020 17:13

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36047857)
OK, I plugged some wired headphones into the standard jack socket at the rear of the V6. The sound from the TV speaker remained on but there was a noticeable delay in the sound through the headphones and lipsync problems as a result. It was a very short delay but enough to spoil anything being watched. I don't know if connecting via the D Audio socket (is this the same as Optical?) would fix this.

Are you sure the delay was in the sound? I would expect the sound to be ahead as the TV takes a while to display the picture. Often you can change the TV picture settings to reduce the delay - experiment with film and game mode; also the contrast.

The "D" socket is optical, but I'd expect the timing to be the same as the jack socket, or maybe even earlier.

vincerooney 26-08-2020 22:18

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
i was literally about to ask this question. i keep people up in my house as i'm a night owl. i have a samsung tv from around 2011. Only two HDMI sockets sadly all used and the v6. what are the options for me? i've got sony wireless headphones and have bought a cheap dongle before which did nothing....

can anyone help so i dont have to listen to tv at volume 3 or 4 all night? haha thanks

cheekyangus 26-08-2020 22:36

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36047889)
i was literally about to ask this question. i keep people up in my house as i'm a night owl. i have a samsung tv from around 2011. Only two HDMI sockets sadly all used and the v6. what are the options for me? i've got sony wireless headphones and have bought a cheap dongle before which did nothing....

can anyone help so i dont have to listen to tv at volume 3 or 4 all night? haha thanks

Post the model of Sony headphones Vince. We can be more specific that way :)

vincerooney 26-08-2020 23:36

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047891)
Post the model of Sony headphones Vince. We can be more specific that way :)

Sony WH-CH500 Wireless Bluetooth NFC On-Ear Headphones with 20 hours Battery Life - Blue

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sams...0090625155.htm - thats my tv too! currently HDMI cable with ps4 and v6.

i need a new tv to be honest but i have a 32 inch tv and apparently there is no point getting another tv that size as it wont be proper 4k

haha thanks for any advice angus!

heavyside 27-08-2020 07:11

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36047864)
Are you sure the delay was in the sound? I would expect the sound to be ahead as the TV takes a while to display the picture. Often you can change the TV picture settings to reduce the delay - experiment with film and game mode; also the contrast.

The "D" socket is optical, but I'd expect the timing to be the same as the jack socket, or maybe even earlier.

It could have been the other way around. The net effect was like a pronounced echo with the TV audio lagging behind that through the headphones - or vice versa.

I didn't foresee it being this complicated to pair my Bluetooth headphones up with the V6 or TV. I was hoping for a plug and play solution or a simple and inexpensive dongle. And then there is the factor of latency which, I understand, is a frequent problem with Bluetooth headphones designed for listening to music where latency isn't a problem. I'm rapidly going off the whole idea.

spiderplant 27-08-2020 09:43

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36047889)
can anyone help so i dont have to listen to tv at volume 3 or 4 all night? haha thanks

Subtitles? ;)

Or Google for "Audio Bluetooth Transmitter". Anything with a 3.5mm jack plug ill plug into the back of the V6, or you could connect via the phono "audio out" sockets on the back of your TV.

vincerooney 27-08-2020 23:44

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36047915)
Subtitles? ;)

Or Google for "Audio Bluetooth Transmitter". Anything with a 3.5mm jack plug ill plug into the back of the V6, or you could connect via the phono "audio out" sockets on the back of your TV.

cheers for this. what do you think would be better? in the v6 or in the audio out on the tv?

do people have any experience of these and what may work/be the best https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=audio+o...l_550e55w47m_e

cheekyangus 27-08-2020 23:52

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Try both locations, see which one is easier to fit and whether there is a a difference in the audio. e.g. a delay. It may make no difference either way.

vincerooney 31-08-2020 23:06

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36047972)
Try both locations, see which one is easier to fit and whether there is a a difference in the audio. e.g. a delay. It may make no difference either way.

got one...syncs up perfectly via my tv with the white and red wire. easy to switch on and link with the headphones within seconds.

So cheers for the advice! i can finally watch tv and hear the sound without waking the house up!

cheekyangus 31-08-2020 23:36

Re: V6 and Bluetooth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36048265)
got one...syncs up perfectly via my tv with the white and red wire. easy to switch on and link with the headphones within seconds.

So cheers for the advice! i can finally watch tv and hear the sound without waking the house up!

Great stuff Vince. :)


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