UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Referendum
 

Remember when former leader of the Labour Party, Corbyn was holding leaked documents from the governments discussions with the U.S trade relations suggested a NHS selloff deal with a Trump Administration and used them as an attack line, during the election campaigns, well the government claims today that those documents were "amplified" by Russian Actors in an attempt to help Labour win the election.

The government launched an investigation with the National Cyber Security Centre after complaining that the leaked material had been circulated by Russians.

When journalists attempted to question Corbyn at his residency today, he fumbled around his front door, stayed silent only saying "Goodbye".

In another separate allegation, according to the United States, Canada and Britain, Russia is also accused of hacking to steal research into coronavirus vaccines and treatments from Britain.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...anada-12029697

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I'm sure if Corbyn was involved in a plot with the Russians against the Government we would have heard before now. This is likely to be a deflection against the imminent release of the report due next week.

I assume nomadking will be along to defend Russia and Corbyn here, after all Russian bounties on British soldiers lives are 'run of the mill against your enemies'.

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And when have I EVER defended Russia or Corbyn? IIRC At the time, I pointed out that Corbyn's claims were a load of nonsense, and deliberately misrepresented what the report said and was about.

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The Russian bounty on British soldiers heads. You said that was a reasonable step. So presumably is trying to destabilise democratic processes?

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Novochok thread

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You’ve got to hand it to Hugh, he keeps us honest.

In regards to the subject, I don’t care. It’s over and they lost anyway.

As long as there are future checks and balances to prevent this.

Corbyn doesn’t need to be hauled over any more coals, his legacy as the worst ever ever leader of the Labour Party is secured in history.

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Pierre, welcome. After nomadking’s foray into incoherence this thread has been calling for your right wing, calming, steer.

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On that we agree.

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'Almost certain' Russians sought to interfere in 2019 UK election - Raab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53433523 If only there had been some sort of report available before the election that highlighted Russian attempts to influence previous elections, perhaps more could have been done...

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They were just sharing their expertise in document management with us Hugh and now they're similarly collaborating with us to develop a Covid-19 vaccine. :D

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You mean you suddenly experienced a memory relapse in where it's a well known fact Russians like to interfere in foreign elections? :dozey:

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But I thought it never happened, or if it did happen, it didn’t make any difference, or if it did make any difference, it doesn’t matter now, as it’s in the past and nothing can be done about it?

(just getting the lines out before next week’s release of the report...)

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lol - I think the strategy briefed to friendly ears is to deflect away from the Russian donors and onto Jeremy Corbyn. ;)

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But the Russians appeared to be helping Corbyn, with these illicit obtained documents, so what gives?

Enough of the silly humourless attempts, every time Hugh posts something. Are you not bothered about the leaking or you just posting today, in sarky response mode with a wink or smiley?

If so, pathetic Andrew, pathetic. :rolleyes:

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But the Russians don't want to help anyone (but themselves) - all they do is spread disinformation to cause disruption, or fund groups to do the same thing - in the USA, it was discovered they were funding/promoting BLM and also anti-BLM movements.

And to avoid any confusion, I think it’s wrong that any illegally obtained documents should be used in election campaigns.

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It works though doesn't it?

Well it seems to draw a massive amount of people stupid enough to be taken in by it :rolleyes:

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I have been critical many times on here that the Russia report has not been released, so I am delighted that this it is finally seeing the light of day as I hope everyone on this forum is too. I'm seeing a concerted effort to try and make Corbyn the headline here in some quarters and I say what I see.

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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...LKKSdWEwUPxyag

So if Labour were so complicit why wasn't the report released months ago? Why was it sat on for so long by the Tories?

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:gpoint:

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Some interesting questions and it would be nice if they could give us the answers.

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I love the mental gymnastics going on here.

A Tory government refuses to release a report that would almost certainly damage their election chances and that's somehow Corbyn's fault.

I know it's fun to rag on Corbyn and blame Labour for every failing this country has ever had, but the Tories have been in power for a decade now, any failures are squarely on their head. The sad excuse for an opposition is only to blame for being a shit opposition.

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I like the your almost certain Labour would have beat Conservatives in 2019, we had all the Russian meddled in the EU referendum crap for 3 years, Tories still won, so no, actually things are not "certain" at all. Utter rubbish.

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I never said almost certain Labour would have beat the conservatives, I said almost certain it would have damaged their chances. There's a marked difference.

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Was anyone on here influenced by any Russian interference - in anything requiring a vote?

be honest now :)

I certainly wasn't, I never gave it a second thought. In fact I voted the same way as I did back in '75 (Europe) . . . about the same time Putin was joining the KGB :D

In the last decade, I was influenced more by belonging to a 'club' that had a 'level playing field' similar to the back of a Bactrian camel :rolleyes:

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I still want to know why the present government have failed to release the report?

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That's really the crux of the issue. Downplay the report all you want, blame Corbyn even, but ask that question - why was the report not released when it should have been?

Even if you're a diehard tory, you should be questioning their actions.

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Join the club!;)

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Exactly.:tu:

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Anyone would think it was a revelation that Russia would even attempt to interfere with any election anywhere in the world.

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The point of subtle influence is that it’s "subtle"... ;)

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aaah, the strange magnetic draw of all things sparkly and shiny, with no strings attached . . . much like TV adds then :D

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You have evidence of Russian interference in the 1975 poll?

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Do you?

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This sounds like a question put to a captured James Bond in the baddies' lair! :D

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Report out 10.30am today. Terrible for a democratic nation that it has been witheld for so long, even if it contains few bombshells.

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Well well well, sadly for the Remainers, this was thought to be the bombshell they hoped for some last, sad and despicable and desperate attempt to subvert democracy by using this Russia report to suggest meddling in the EU Referendum.

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Struggling to follow your line of thought. Surely if the Russians did interfere in the Scottish and EU referendums and UK elections, it would be they who were subverting democracy?

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What is this "interference" ever have amounted to? Just people expressing an opinion? Do no other countries ever "interfere" in the same way?:rolleyes: Then there is the rather insidious way the media "interferes". Even the inclusion of an extra word in a sentence can change the tone and impression of a story. Journalists can be rather selective on who and what they challenge about a story.

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My understanding from the initial story that Mick posted was that some confidential British Government documents were illegally obtained by Russian interests and uploaded to the Redditt site, thereby placing them in the public domain. Journalists and opposition parties were then able to avail themselves of the information.
This is slightly different from your suggestion of posting an opinion.

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Documents are leaked all the time. Any misrepresentation of the contents was purely down to Labour and the media, which allowed them to get away with it. I remember an instance a long time go(pre 1997), where a civil service report on options on a subject was leaked. Labour and the media jumped on it, claiming it was Government plans, when at that point nobody in Government had seen it, and if they had, it was just options, not intentions. It turned out that one of the people involved in the report was somebody who was a Labour party candidate.


The central problem isn't so much leaking of documents, but the misrepresentation of the contents.

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:tu:

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Report here. https://docs.google.com/a/independen...EyN2Y3NjM0OWFl

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I'm afraid that I think you're rather too forgiving of foreign powers.

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I'm afraid that I think you're rather too forgiving of Labour

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Unlike many I've not been afraid to take a non-partisan line and
- criticise parties Left, Right and Centre. Generally, it's more constructive to critique the Government as they're actually the ones who are making the decisions.
- condemn foreign powers placing bounties on the heads of our soldiers
- condemn decisions placed on British business which result in lots of bureaucracy and red tape when dealing with their largest market

At the ballot box, I've similarly voted for all three main parties. I don't believe you should follow a party in the same way you follow a football team.

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As you are of the Conservatives.

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Whether you plan to vote Tories or not, whether you voted Brexit or not, the outcomes of those decisions have a direct impact on the world. Some countries will benefit from those outcomes, some will lose out.

If you're one of those countries that will benefit greatly from a specific outcome, it's in your interests to try and make that outcome happen. I mean this isn't just world politics, it's like anything - if you stand to gain from something happening, you probably want that something to happen.

But if you speak out too loudly about it, it might make things worse. Just because it benefits you doesn't necessarily mean that those voting for it want it for your interests, they might even vote against it to spite you because what's good for you isn't necessarily what's good for them. Politics, eh?

So in that case, how do you make this outcome happen, without tipping anyone off that actually you really want this outcome? Find someone else to do it. Find someone that people aren't immediately opposed to and give them the help to do it. Maybe it's a research firm, or a think tank, or a politician with aspirations of becoming PM - you get them to do the dirty work so you get what you want without anyone knowing you wanted it. British people wanting what's best for Britain. Sounds great, right?

And the best bit is that those who voted for all of this will fight anyone who dares suggest they've been influenced, because it's not like Vladmir was down the pub mouthing off to them about how great Brexit would be for mother russia. Nah, it was their mate Nige that said it, he's definitely not russian so russia has nothing to do with it. Simples.

But in all of this, whether you believe there was "influence" or not, whether you believe you were influenced or not, that's almost not even the point. Whether Russia had any involvement or success isn't the main issue - the main issue is that they wanted that outcome.

Debate the ifs and buts all you want, but make sure you ask why.

Why would Russia go to such lengths? What have they got to gain from a stronger, more independent Britain, eh? What's useful for them if the Tories are in power, if the Tories don't have links to Russia?

Surely Russia would much prefer communist Corbyn, right? Right?! Surely he'd be destroying the UK from within, while setting up shop for his commie mates to swoop in and take over. Maybe the commie thing is too much on the nose, but seriously - why would Russia have the UK's best interests to heart?

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And yet, they seemed to favour the Tories. Weird.

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Putin has two useful idiots in power in the USA and UK. Whether or not he helped them ascend the greasy pole can be debated until the cows come home. The fact is, since these two populist leaders came to power, the West has been divided to the benefit of Russia.

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I think they favour disunity and dislike the harmony that the centre ground more often delivers, so would favour Johnson and Corbyn over May and Starmer.

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So no "disinformation campaigns" originated elsewhere? No expatriates, Scottish or otherwise, did anything? So who influenced the polls in the years before, that have tended to be close either way? Eg Support for Brexit existed long before even the possibility of a referendum.

So where exactly is the evidence that anything happened? No signs of what those events and actions are meant to have been.

Difficult to retrospectively gather examples.
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So no interference from Spain?
So no interference from Canada?
Or China?
Or Germany?
Italy?
Sounds like not many governments around the world, were for one reason or another, in favour of Scottish independence.

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No "interference" from Spain, Ireland, and Germany?

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Agreed.

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Careful, if you stick your fingers in your ears any harder, you're going to give yourself further brain damage.

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Damning analysis from Sky News.
https://news.sky.com/story/staggerin...laims-12033171

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No evidence eh,well that's that then.

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Nigel Farage demands serious apologies from arch Remainers as he waves Russia report

The Brexiteer hit out after a long-awaited probe into alleged Russian interference in British democracy said it would be "difficult - if not impossible" to assess whether any such attempts had been successful. Mr Farage tweeted: “So, no evidence of Russian interference in the referendum. Some serious apologies are due.https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...ferendum-putin

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haha, don't be daft, it'll be alive on here for years :D

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Your not suggesting some will try and fabricate evidence are you:shocked:

Any hoo we now have the clear evidence that the brexit vote was as i expected totally legitimate.

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but . . . but . . there's no evidence that there isn't any evidence, which proves the point that there might be evidence we've got no evidence of . . . evidently :D

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you sound like keir starmer:)

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I have evidence of foreign interference in our 2016 Brexit referendum and it seemed to be perfectly fine when it suited the Remainers, former U.S President Barack Obama threatening back of queue on a leave result. If that wasn't foreign interference in plain sight then the Russians just didn't get their foot in the door fast enough.

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No, per the article, we never asked the question. Perhaps we followed the mantra "Don't ask questions you don't like the answer to!"

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we could use some of that on here ;)

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So where is the evidence that anybody did anything untoward? If somebody claims X committed a burglary, it doesn't seem too much to ask the what, when, and where in connection with it. There isn't even a "somebody did X", it's a "Russia did something, we don't know what, but they must have". We can't be expected to agree or disagree with something, when it's not possible to be told what that something is meant to be. How can we judge any supposed effect and influence of a non-specified action.:confused:
What exactly was meant to be investigated? Was there a specific thing to be investigated? If you had been asked to investigate, where would you start? There's not even an "X happened, who was responsible". There is no "X" identified.

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That could be unfair to the Government as it suggests a malign intent. Negligence and/or incompetence should be considered too

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Fair shout.

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Again, nobody wants to ask why the government "didn't ask" about Brexit referendum interference when it asked about interference in other referendums.

If the government had asked and no evidence was found, that'd be great - we could put the debate to bed right now, but by not asking the question they've left it open for debate much longer. Even if you're a staunch leaver and 100% believe there to be zero interference, you should still be pissed off at the government cocking up here as it means us remoaners are still going to go on about it.

It could have ended, but it didn't. Now you just have to ask why.

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That wouldn't have stopped the Remain side, Nothing but total overturning of the democratic decision would do that.


At least with the usual conspiracy theories(eg 5G and Covid), there is a chance to disprove or prove it. Until somebody can actually come up with the "X" in "X happened, who was responsible", there is nothing that could be proven or disproven. Has anybody come up with an "X" of any substance and effect?

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We could ask our intelligence agencies if Russia interfered. Crazy thought, I know.

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So is the thread title correct? Was/is Labour complicit with Russian interference in the 2019 UK General Election?

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And yet you have no issue with Obama helping your side with his threat, I will give you a clue, that was Foreign interference too!!!

There should have been no foreign interference by any country allied or not, yet your side wheeled him out and he stood there with his stupid threat, how many people did he influence to vote Remain???

It should never have been allowed, yet it was totally fine with your side.

Total hypocrites.

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Changed.

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What exactly is meant to have taken place? What unexplained things are meant to have been that noticeable? It's a case of "the bogeyman done it", "done what", "erm don't know, he just did". There is zero evidence of anything having taken place, so getting into who was responsible, is more than a little bit premature.

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BREAKING NEWS!

"This is staggering – the UK didn't know that Russia was going to invade Scotland because it never sought to ask!

We now know why.

They had never specifically instructed MI5, MI6 and GCHQ - the intelligence and security agencies tasked with protecting the UK - with looking at precisely this issue."

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There is a difference between someone saying something up-front for which people can make their own judgements and people interfering behind the scenes and possibly committing criminal acts such as hacking.

You're not inferring if you express an opinion, you are if you're engaging in hacking attacks or bombarding the internet with bots.

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Still interference.


So what effect was there from any illusory actions?:rolleyes: No identified effect and no identified actions. Doesn't even reach the giddy heights of mere speculation.

Anyone would think the UK or anybody else didn't have any hackers.
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I haven't looked into the report much.

I was just saying there is a difference between a politician publically commenting on an election and directing their intelligence services to hack/undermine one. To extent to which the latter happened I don't know.


Yes but we're British and generally don't want external forces attacking us.

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So where is the evidence of any effect of hacking or undermining? Never mind whether it took place at all. There is no "this occurred, what is the explanation and who was responsible". There is no "this".:confused: If there was a "this", then people could reach the giddy heights of mere speculation.

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If the Government knew Russia hadn't interfered, then it would be quite keen to ask this question. If a government of leavers felt there was a chance Russia had interfered, would it feel so comfortable in asking the question?

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Exactly - totally false equivalents.

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I am sorry but I totally disagree, there is not a difference at all. Barack Obama interfered in our referendum because he was asked to by the Remain side, and he did not express an opinion, he made a direct threat which is totally different, it was totally out of order by the Remain camp to use, at the time the U.S President to threaten the UK people in to voting Remain or else.

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Again Damien, he didn't just make a public speech. He made a direct threat. I cannot believe you are fine with a leader of another country, allied or not, to come to our country and threaten the people in to voting a certain way or else. That is not and never is ok.

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:confused: So saying something publicly isn't trying to influence anything, but something or other, nobody knows what, and nobody can see any effect, is trying to influence. Which is likely to have changed voting intentions more?:rolleyes:

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In may be out of order and against the convention that foreign leaders do not comment on the affairs of others but it is not the same for two main reasons:

1. It was transparent. Everyone can see who is saying it, why and make their own judgements as to if it's approrate or not
2. It's not illegal. It's not an attack on the country's security systems or media.

If Putin was to come out and tomorrow as say Boris Johnson is an idiot and you should vote Labour then that would not be a matter of national security.

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I think the threat is rather weak 'you'll be at the back of the queue'. But I don't think foreign leaders should comment on the internal politics of their allies. It's bad form so I am not 'ok' with it.

However I do think it's a different kettle of fish to Russia doing all the things they do to the U.K such as cyber security attacks.

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Yes because voters can decide for themselves.

Boris Johnson making a speech saying Starmer is incompetent would be different to him, theoretically, organising a lot of fake stories from his time in the CPS calling him incompetent. And it CERTAINLY would be different to him hacking the Labour Party.

This are all worse things.

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Just imagine an American President telling people how he thinks they should vote in a certain way...

Trump before the last election...

Or a Presidential candidate showed support for one side in a U.K. vote

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WOW . . . I never guessed Trump was Russian :D

Maybe the Government were right to discount the 'alleged' Russian interference, seeing as it was obviously American :shocked:

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So when were Labour hacked and how would it be different to any other hacking attempt on the rest of us? If they did and succeeded, how would that influence anything. If they uncovered bad secrets, then shouldn't those bad secrets be exposed to the electorate, so "voters can decide for themselves"?

Still not seeing any of a little thing called evidence, that anybody did anything. If there was a "something" then it could be considered and looked into. The best they can come up with is, "Russia might have wanted to influence X, Y, Z". Same could be said about the US, Germany, France, Ireland etc.

You can't influence anybody without somehow people being openly exposed to that influence.

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So what?

I did say if you open your eyes, that nobody should interfere in any countries election, period and that is regardless of WHO is president, so do not quote to me what other presidents have said or done, it should not happen period!

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I didn't say they were hacked. I said 'therotically' and gave a list of examples.

And hacking attempts on the rest of us are still illegal and wrong. As for sharing bad secrets then ok, certainly the press have published documents obtained illegally before and if it's in the public interest then those newspapers do that precisely because the voters can then decide for themselves.

However, it's still illegal and if it's a foreign power doing it we should be upset. As after all if they're only hacking one side it's clear what they're up too.

I don't want people hacking this country, hacking our political parties or hacking you.

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I don't want people trying to steal my car, selling drugs in the neighborhood, or turning up in a dodgy van offering to re-lay my drive . . . it's the modern world though, deal with it :D

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So your "theoretically" is not based in reality?:rolleyes: I thought we were meant to be discussing something that is meant to have actually happened.

More than just theoretically, a lot of different people try to hack X, Y, Z. Just look at the number of phishing attempts. Doesn't mean state involvement. Still no evidence of anybody doing anything much more than putting forward a viewpoint.

It is when the Remain side try to prevent Brexit meetings or stifle comment that people should be worried about. Open free speech is dead and buried. Just look at "cancel culture". Every day people are being fired or forced to quit, just because they have the "wrong" non-approved opinions.
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With Brexit, it wasn't case of a 80% or even 60%, in favour of remaining, mysteriously turning into a Brexit win. The very reason for the referendum was that the 2 sides were close in numbers for a long time. Was Russia "interfering" for that "long time"?

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I doubt the report's authors are going to reveal in extensive detail how they know these things, but why do you chose to take the Russian viewpoint over the UK?

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I'm not taking Russia's or anybody else's viewpoint on this or anything else. You would have thought that they could easily explain an actual example of something that occurred. Whatever is supposed to have occurred must be publicly known, in that it's meant to have influenced the public. They don't necessarily need to say how they are supposed to know who was responsible. Remote telepathic mind control is just something from science fiction.

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Powerful people can always get their names suppressed.

The fact the Govt. are dismissing this report already makes them complicit Russia's interference. Trouble is the Russians now have carte blanche to interfere where the Govt don't want.

What sanctions are we going to take ? Yet another country we can't/won't trade with ? We're now even a tinier fish in a massive sea, with no influence but weak to influence from others. Our World super power days are long gone, the only power we did have was that we were part of the largest trading bloc in the World, no more.

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Wow aint you a sad advertisement for the EUSSR.

And on the subject of fish [tiny or otherwise] the Eu hasn't got any but we have an abundance, still let them eat cake eh.

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Thing is, those those that wanted us out of the 'EUSSR' are quite happy the former USSR, to further weaken us by helping us to split from other nations. What might their motivation be?

(And I don't like fish....).

Re: Was Labour complicit with Russian interference in 2019 UK General Election?
 

What has getting "names suppressed" got to do with it. All I'm asking for, is examples of the supposed actual actions of Mr X, Mr Y, Mr Z, etc. How can anybody be expected to investigate or comment on actions that nobody seems to be aware of.:confused: Eg If you've been burgled, you may not know who by, but you will see the disturbance and the missing items. If you went and said X burgled somebody, then it's not unreasonable to ask the when, where, and what in relation to it. If there is nothing missing and no signs of a disturbance, it's not unreasonable to say that the allegations against X are spurious and without foundation.

Re: Was Labour complicit with Russian interference in 2019 UK General Election?
 

It all seems rather fishy to me!

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I think this is where you have to put your trust in British institutions and not the doubts sewn in your head by less democratic nations. It may be a leap of faith but I encourage you to do it.

Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 

Everythig seems fishy to you Andrew.

Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 

except fish;)

Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 

No, it's Mr K that doesn't like fish, Andrew hasn't expessed a preference.;)