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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52815552
Oh dear what will the buffoon do now he can't just makes stuff up and tweet it? It spoils all his fun, maybe there's something on TV he can watch instead.. ;)

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It's good that Twitter are doing this with Tweets but they should be more explicit. As a minimum, putting the exclamation mark in red would help.

Would be interesting to see a 2020 ranking of the Tweet accounts most marked-up by Twitter!

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As long as they’re not selective about what tweets they fact check

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No such thing as postal vote fraud? Really?
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Presumably you will have certain criteria before scrutinising accounts in detail. Perhaps number of followers for starters?

Doubtless, there will be some people who say they feel hard done by. They will say it's an alt right/establishment/MSM conspiracy and they've been singled out unfairly. That's life.

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The context is the US in 2020 not the UK in 2004.

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I don't think Birmingham, Warwickshire is included in the US election, Birmingham, Alabama maybe....

The intention from Big Don is try to prevent those likely to vote against him from doing so.

However this is more about of misuse and lies on twitter generally. If nothing else, should a US president being spending so much of their time on tweeting rubbish ?

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Well their heading towards an election in 6 months time, so they either ban ALL political tweets, or fact check ALL political tweets.

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Would that suit their political agenda :shrug:

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So in what way couldn't the various and MANY things that have, and still go on in the UK, be possible in the US?

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So, what you're saying is that rules have to be applied fairly to everyone?

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While I don't like Trump, I agree. All politicians can lie (look at our crop, left, right and center).

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We shouldn't accept it as the 'norm' though, and they should be challenged.

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revolutionary thinking I know.

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Politicians were probably used car salesmen in a previous life

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And probably have pet cats.

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We shouldn't accept politicians lying as the norm, I agree. Sadly we do seem to though. I think fact checking all of them is the first step to not accepting the lies.

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Given how many people use the system, Im pretty sure they will have to be selective.

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Yeah, maybe only tweets with a certain reach?

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Hes not happy .... :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52821304


(That said, I would not morn the loss of TW or FB, they are not 'social' any more).

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Well Social media can just move their base..and out of reach of Trump.

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Amusingly enough, his Secretary of State (Pompeo) tweeted this a couple of hours later about China.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1590611516

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Oh the irony.:D:D

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Isn't it the likes of Twitter that are effectively trying to shut down criticism? They're trying to shut down criticism of postal voting.

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No they're trying to stop anyone posting 'fake news'. Donald should be in favour of that as he's always complaining about it.

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You appear to be confusing "lies" with "criticism"... ;)

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No he isn’t. How can they be lies when there is news about mail-in ballots system actually being abused?

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Is the news factually based, or just reporting what Trump says, which is not evidence based?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ma...t-voter-fraud/

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Seems factually based to me. See nyt article from 2012.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/u...elections.html

Throwing a snopes at me doesn’t cut it.

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Elections can be decided by thousands or hundreds or just dozens of votes. That is what makes something substantial or significant.

He said that the plans would lead to substantial fraud. That is an opinion. It cannot be treated as a statement of fact that has to be proved one way or the other, because it has yet to happen one way or the other.:rolleyes:

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That's not the case for all the times he has mentioned it though - he's treated it as a fact in both tweets and replies i.e 'has' or 'does', not 'will' or 'would'.

He even set up a voter fraud commission which has to close as it turned into a huge fishing exercise and couldn't show an widespread rigging of any type of voting.

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The tweet reported in the link has at least THREE occurrences of "will be". That is FACT.

As the vote hasn't taken place yet, how could it be treated as a statement of fact? Just as if I said it was going to be sunny tomorrow, that can't be a statement of fact that has to be proved or disproved.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52815872

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So the tweet says something bad will definitely happen without any evidence and previous circumstances suggest it will not. It's absolutely correct to challenge this.

If someone tweeted today that There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that tomorrow in Birmingham the weather will be anything less than a hurricane - I would definitely challenge this as well.

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It still would be an opinion, not something that could be disproved.

There is more than enough evidence of rigged postal voting in the UK and the US. When you make it wholesale postal voting, as is the plan, that increases the scope for rigging the vote. That is all undeniable.

Just because there is little evidence of something, doesn't mean it isn't happening on a massive scale. You can't possibly check millions of voters AFTER the vote, to check that their vote was valid. If somebody attempts or commits fraud on your bank account, you would only notice AFTER the event. People don't see AFTER the vote, how their voted was counted.

In the big Birmingham warehouse case in the UK, if witnesses hadn't spotted them carrying large bags from their campaign offices, the police wouldn't have raided the warehouse, and nobody would have been the wiser. Unless somebody notices something odd, it goes unnoticed. Eg Dr Harold Shipman was responsible for more than 250 murders before anybody took notice. If he hadn't carried out those actions which brought attention, he would've been able to continue. When a crime is unnoticeable, it can easily be gotten away with, and all without proof it ever happened.

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I do wonder how many of you would slightly get pissed off if I started editing certain posts and actually adding fact checking with an exclamation mark, directly in to your posts.

You’d surely get pissed off and be up in arms about it.

The idea is, people engage by replying to what’s been said, Trump gets challenged hundreds of thousands of times a day on his tweets by the platforms user base , and that should be fine. But Twitter is acting like the thought police here. It’s not what it was set up for.

Same applies to forums. I’ve lost count how many times someone’s post has been reported because, some didn’t agree with it.

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It's up to the person making a controversial statement of fact to prove it. The tweet in question doesn't. And you've not cited any recent large-scale evidence of vote-rigging in the US, you've instead focused on a city in the UK from an election that took place 16 years ago.

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The difference with that would be that Twitter isn't an equal communication platform so the replies to a Tweet does not get the same exposure as the original Tweet. It's why they also clamp down on anti-vaccine and other such statements.

I think Twitter has made a rod for their own backs with this though, it's going to become really hard to judge more contestable claims.

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Personally, I don't care if someone wants to do that my posts. makes no odds to me whatsoever.

Quite agree (this is becoming far too common :p: ) that the idea is engagement. But Trump as POTUS has a responsibility to consider what he is posting. he has approx 80m followers? Not everything he says is well thought out and a degree of his followers will no doubt take everything he says as gospel. (As will many other people who follow god knows whoever)

Twitters platform is theirs and they can do as they please, Just as you can with CF

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Twitter are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this one. It's a case of how well they do it and they will need to be transparent about this.

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I thought I saw Trumps name on a loaf of bread, but it said "Thick Cut" :D

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Did it have an orange crust?

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Twitter and other social media work across borders. They can always move base to anywhere that Trump can't reach.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-ruling-284632

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His tweets are getting worse though. Today he retweeted someone saying the "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preside...dead-democrat/

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The guy that said that "Cowboys for Trump" caveated afterwards that he meant "politically" - the equivalent of "it was only a joke" excuse.

The dog whistle followed by "no, I didn’t mean that...".

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Some good analysis on his tweets recently
https://www.ft.com/content/b2253265-...4-30e96d66d67b

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I suggest he knows Twitter is the gathering place of stupidity, and he's simply trolling everyone :D

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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...fying-violence

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Whatever people think of Trump that's their opinion but twitter is playing a dangerous game here.

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Twitter is treading a dangerous line here. If they’re going to start actively moderating the platform they have to do it fairly and evenly. Even as a private company they’re subject to the laws that determine whether they’re merely a forum for other people’s opinions, or the actual publisher of those opinions (which exposes them to defamation claims). Whether or not Trump has the power to alter the law by Order to catch Twitter out is somewhat besides the point. If the debate is allowed to get going and keep going, sooner or later there will be the votes in Congress to do it.

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A bit of a side note but that George Floyd stuff is mad. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the police other than being fired.

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It's the age old thing that law always lags technology.

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A few law suits I would imagine.

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The problem is that it's the President right? They already do actively moderate the platform but when the person being moderated is so high profile it creates an issue. If some ordinary person of little consequence was to 'glorify violence' then they will likely be moderated and banned eventually.

Trump isn't an ordinary person though so to what extent do the rules need to be loosened for him and other politicians?

Still, maybe it will not be a bad thing for Twitter to take more responsibility for what is said on their platform. Twitter is an increasingly unhinged, reactionary, platform on which even reasonable people seem to lose their minds.

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Sorry, are you implying that this is the first time that moderation has occurred or that moderation of the platform has only recently started to occur? Because obviously that's utter nonsense.

If this wasn't Trump then more than likely no-one would bat an eye. However, for some reason Trump seems to think he can post what he wants, when he wants without thinking about the content he posts.

I highly doubt Trump will win this one.

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Agree, those that do probably don't have 80m followers and somewhat considerable influence.

As the old adage goes 'With great power comes great responsibility' Trump at times seems to want all of the power yet take none of the responsibility.

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'When the looting starts, the shooting starts'

Is there a reason such a tweet shouldn't be hidden?

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How many tweets that have directly or INDIRECTLY encouraged the violence and looting have been hidden? :rolleyes: No reports of that happening, if anything the encouraging words are being widely reported. Here's an idea, why don't they stop looting and committing widespread violence? Is that possible?


They seem to want to have complete freedom to going around committing various crimes such as mugging, burglary, murder, etc and to be able to resist arrest and have to be let go. That is the result they are aiming for. So many examples(US & UK) of where it's obvious that there is little point in resisting or struggling, but they still insist on doing it. The more force required to restrain somebody, the more likely problems are going to result. Do what the rest of us have to do in that situation, don't resist and don't be violent.

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Most POC in the US do exactly that, and there are still incidents where they die or are seriously injured.

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https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-for-black-men

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Oh dear, and how many have, Show the evidence to back up your statement?

Whilst looting is an abhorrent act the threatened response of shooting people is completely over the top.

Have you watched the original footage of the person who died whilst being under arrest? I have and there was no resistance whatsoever.

You have, i suspect absolutely 0 practical or first hand relevant knowledge idea about the state of Minnesota or Minneapolis it's population, political make up or nature. I spent a considerable amount of time there with work (and friends) to the point it's almost a 2nd home. and will do so again in the future. I (on a rare occasion) can speak from a position of knowledge on this subject. I highly doubt you can.

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I wonder when the FBI will finish their investigation. The officers are already fired but are looking at murder charges as well, the protests might calm if they're charged.

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I have no intent nor requirement to fret.

Twitter can do as they please, it's their platform. Just as I've previously stated this is yours.

If people don't like it, they don't have to use it.

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Correct. ;) And as if by magic...

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Talking to my old boss (now my subordinate) who lives in St Paul there's much more to come from this yet.

The police precinct that was torched yesterday was only two blocks away from our office. MSP has changed significantly in the past 10 years/ it's now one of the most prominent locations in the US for tech outside of Silicon Valley. It's was turning into an amazing place

I'm surprised at this as the police i used to stand around talking to at the Hewing hotel when i was jet lagged and having a cigarette at 3am we're very friendly and always had time to chat.

Lovely place MSP even if you have to get used to 'Minnesota nice'[COLOR="Silver"]



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meanwhile

The situation in MSP worsens.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/29/black..._source=pushly

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The (former) police officer has been arrested and charged with murder now.

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What is driving the protests? I have been following this today and it's one of the few times where everyone seems to be angry at the police and believe George Floyd was murdered. Even Trump wasn't defending the police on it. Right-wing media in the states were saying he was murdered.

Is it just an expression of anger?

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So, the guy was originally arrested for passing a fake $20 bill. In a store at 30th & Chicago (which is not a great area) this type of stuff happens all the time.

He was either drink or high at the time of his arrest, There was some degree of resistance unsure if it was verbal or physical he was maced and then at some point later cuffed.

What’s we are only seeing now is the footage of three police officers kneeling on his spine (reversed angle taken from a restaurant)

People are angry because the original behaviour whilst wrong had happened in that area for years and this time has been totally overreacted too.

The store owner is actually paying for the guys funeral.

There’s Humvees all over the place, sirens are blaring all over the city center. Major concerns that this could spread out to places like Minnetonka


Bizarre behaviour all round for what is probably the most liberal state in the US

Just seen on the news the officer kneeling on his neck has been charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter

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Which still carries a potential MAX 25 year sentence.

I watched the clip earlier today, the 4 cops did nothing to save that man.

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Truly harrowing footage. Regardless of the original crime no one deserves to die in such a manner

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I'm afraid his main crime was having the wrong coloured skin.

It's a bizarre country, still obsessed by race. So advanced in some ways, but so backward in others.

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The "original crime" was allegedly using a fake $20 note in a shop.

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I don't think mrmistoffelees was trying to caveat it, just making a general statement.

As I said this is one of those rare cases where everyone is in agreement.

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$20 the new price of a human life:(

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In the US dare a say it's worth less than that

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An AR-15 round is about 28 cents I believe. Americans buy 1.3 million AR-15s a year. It might be police brutality this week, it’ll be another good old fashioned school shooting the next. Crazy, crazy country, sending spangly new rockets into space one minute and then slaughtering each other the next.

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And the President seems to enjoy all this and likes stiring things up further. He really is lower than a low life.

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Bit of a rebellion on the non-fact-checking of Trump over at Facebook.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...g-donald-trump

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I don't expect much from that direction.

Some fine words here from the Co-op's Chief Executive.
https://twitter.com/Steve_Murrells/s...43994251976706

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Peaceful protestors tear gassed to make way for a Trump photo opportunity. What a big man he is...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9543576.html

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paysite (again)


oh, and stop being such a sissy :p:

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there you go cheapskate - nice to see you approve of Trump's actions !

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He really has lost the plot. No empathy to the actual cause at all. A total simpleton. (Trump).

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:idea: idea . . he's such an awful leader isn't he, gassing those he doesn't want in his way, forcing them to live in poverty and crime filled ghettos, employing thugs in uniforms to 'keep the peace' . . . maybe we (as a country) could organise a task force to go in and overthrow the despot . . like Iraq eh :naughty:

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Sorry, not got a clue to what you're on about.... Maybe you need a bit of time to wake up.

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ok, in simple terms:

you can either sit moaning about things, or go slap him around the head


not that either will work ;)

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Ok, even more confused. But still not sure what any of your rantings has got to do with a leader firing rubber bullets, attacking reporters and gassing peaceful protesters for a photo opp.

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Not quite sure why this is warranted or who it's aimed at. It's a tad heavy handed. (asking politely).

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Plenty of other cases over the years where people who have resisted and have died as a result. How many examples do you have of where they haven't resisted and have died?
Switzerland

HIS OWN FAULT.



Why not ask the OTHER officers why the continued need to restrain him. As soon as those OTHERS had managed to get him under control, the 3rd guy would've been able to release his hold. Until that point was reached, he had to restrain him in his position. Could've just as easily have been one of the OTHER officers in that position of HAVING to restrain his head. It was just CHANCE that it was the officer it was.

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#blackouttuesday

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Any chance of any FACTS?

How about the gang leaders who can be responsible for over 1,000 deaths, but are still treated as heroes? Where were the protests about that?


Why was Operation Trident launched?

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Ummm, whats the point of posting a black square ?

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Everyone is doing it on social media. Changing their profile pics to black to show you stand with them #blackouttyesday

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I assure you "everyone" is not.

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No they are not..

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It's getting way beyond sinister. Any deviance, however slight, from the agenda of the thugs and bullies is stamped upon.
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Why shouldn't he be able to protect his property AND himself?

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Well, in a nutshell, if you dare to act against the dregs of society you're opening up a load of law suits with allegations of *insert latest or most useful set of discriminatory rules*, and you pay through the nose in court while they get liberal lawyers for free . . along with the media lot giving you grief because you had the audacity to defend yourself against those poor unfortunate lost souls :D

I don't see why people are still keen on bettering themselves through years of hard work, when someone having a pickup truck, two molotov cocktails and an AR15 can get what they desire in 30 minutes :rolleyes:

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These latest allegations don't look good.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-ask...laims-12009225

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There's an interesting video here that addresses some of those points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_qGOa9Go

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Have to laught at FoxNews stating that they "acidentally" edited Trump out a picture oh him with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...a=twitter_page

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I sense Trump's usual support are starting to distance themselves. His days are numbered. Biden hasn't really impressed me (why do is it compulsory to be a geriatric white male to be US President?). However in November but it'll be a case of anyone but Trump. Kermit should stand, he'd be a shoe in...

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you can always pin your flag to Kanye West's ticket? A black candidate, what could be better in these times?

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Biden has no hope, he’s got signs of Dementia for sure. Plus he’s a Democrat, with the silly old mare Pelosi, who constantly appears drunk, and can’t even get the name of the the black guy, George Floyd, right, that’s sparked off these global BLM protests. :rolleyes:

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It might be time to start a US Election thread as it's not that far away.

Biden is polling much higher than Clinton was, especially in the swing states, so it would require an even bigger polling error than last time unless something changes between now and November. But obviously cauton is required after last time. COVID has put everything on pause really otherwise the election season would be in full swing.

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l like some of Kanye West's music but as a presidential candidate its more of a gimmick by him as l would be happier if America had a presidential candidate that was far more sensible and not obsessed with themselves and thought about the whole of Amercia and not just a certain electoral demographic.