British Airways to make 12000 redundant
 

Poor people..


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52462660

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Thats 12,000 families lives ruined by lockdown.

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Even without the lockdown international flights aren't going to be in huge demand for a while.

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The first of many such annoucements I would think.

Lockdown is going to kill many businesses, a lot are on life support atm, and wont survive if we dont start becoming customers again soon.

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Reminds me of the 'Buy British' campaign from years ago, everyone said it was a great idea . . then bought cheap crap from abroad :rolleyes:

We can either use this as a reason to build up a UK business plan, with the intention of being less reliant on foreign goods, or continue to support the economies of other countries.

Nobody is saying it will be easy, but with both Covid and Brexit on the go we'll never get a better opportunity to change things.

I'm probably just spouting crap though ;)

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What's that got to do with BA though? You can't 'buy British' if there is nowhere to fly to. All airlines are in the same situation and will all be making tough choices about their staffing levels and routes.

And IAG who own BA are a Spanish company anyway.

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yeah you're right . . probably posted in entirely the wrong place . . who'd want British shit anyway :D

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Exactly, which is why the lockdown has to be lifted soon.

Virgin Atlantic is soldiering on with government help and Richard Branson has said he's prepared to put up the Virgin Islands as collateral to secure the money it needs to keep going. But this cannot carry on for much longer.

As far as BA is concerned, I presume they are consulting their staff over these 'proposals' as required in any redundancy situation in the UK.

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Less than the 250,000 deaths you'd cause by lifting lockdown prematurely.

Anyway, this has little to do with lockdown and in more the fact that Foreign Office advice is against all travel for UK nationals. We don't want or need further outbreaks of Coronavirus into our shores.

Travel insurance companies will equally not offer travel insurance that covers illness due to the pandemic.

Actually the more I think about it the opposite of your statement is true. This is why we need the lockdown, to support those in the underlying economy and deal with the virus. Then, and only then, will we return to normal.

When we have the second highest death count behind the USA I don't see many countries rushing to let us in to undermine their own efforts. In the event of cancellation who issues refunds?

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This is pure speculation.

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Well it was the Imperial College London figure that led the Government thinking. If nothing meaningful has changed since then there’s no reason to expect any different.

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It was just a prediction, over a month ago, based on a model [of dubious accuracy] - lots of things have changed since then.

Its rather like models to predict the weather, rarely accurate over more than a day or two, and always changing based on new information.

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On that basis it could be much higher?

That’s equally as speculative as any suggestion it could be lower. I suppose 50,000 have died since then when ‘credible’ Government estimates were we could have kept the deaths below 20,000.

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Have you actually read the report?:rolleyes: The 250,000 was without lockdown and where social distancing was only for those over 70.

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I’m not sure how your point contradicts mine. There’s no reason to expect any different if the economy just opened up with no restrictions tomorrow.

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The 250,000 was if there was no lockdown or social distancing of everybody. That hasn't happened, therefore the first scenario no longer applies.

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Ending the lockdown won't make much of a difference with flights. Countries are going to try and limit travel into their countries with testing and self-isolation being a condition of entry into many, the airline industry is screwed for at least a year.

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The Air industry as we know it is gone,so are those cheap holidays abroad, looks like the future is staycations, book early for Butlins etc.

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Its certainly going to take a considerable time to recover a lot and we are talking several years rather months.

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You mean book early for next year.;)

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And remember, Cleethorpes smiles more fun;)

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more fun than dysentery (but not much...).

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I went to Japan last November, thinking that turned out to be great timing. Not going to be on any flights for a while. :(

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Ryanair to cut 3,000 pilots and cabin crew, and slash pay over Covid-19.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...d-19-1.4242639

(Mods feel free to put it in its own thread if you want to but perhaps a change in thread title might be better.)

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As expected Virgin Atlantic are to axe more than 3,000 jobs.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...vival-11983452

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Now the Chancellor may reduce the furlough to 60%.

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How many times....?

The government's policy is to slow the deaths down so the NHS will not be overwhelmed. The only way to deal with this is to let the vaccine travel its course more slowly or lockdown until a vaccine is mass produced, distributed and applied.

Clearly, it cannot be the latter or we will no longer have an economy.

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Well, that will discourage too much talk about extending the lockdown!

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You keep posting that, but never provide evidence to back up your assertion.

You also just posted in another thread I provided the previous Imperial Colleage paper which showed the numbers of deaths could be reduced by tens of thousands (not delayed, reduced), but you have not shown any scientific evidence to uphold your claim. Here is a later IC paper (30th March)

Averted, not delayed.

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Enough times until you develop an understanding.

Pushing deaths the other side of the vaccine results in fewer deaths overall.

Neither will we have an economy if we let thousands of people die and don't deal with the virus.

Once again, you are stressing over flights. Where will people fly to? What self-respecting country that is trying to eradicate the virus is going to let people in from the UK which has the second most deaths in the world? Who is going to want to come here?

If there's a second wave who is liable for the cancellations? Insurance companies simply won't touch it.

Paul is right here - the public perception is that many common activities are fundamentally dangerous and there's no real reason to expect that the public (consumers) will return to normal activity any time soon.

The problem isn't the lockdown - it's reduced demand. That's just straightforward capitalism.

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Meanwhile back n the thread both British Airways and Virgin Atlantic have announced job losses as have other airlines.

There appears to be a lot of outrage about it. Why? Less people flying = less people needed.

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They had no choice to put it simply and l can see it staying that way for quite a while as one of the big problems is even when the traffic picks up is social distancing rules which means you can only fly so many passengers in a plane and as the Ryanair boss said that is simply not economical.

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To be fair to the Mod Edit - pointless sniping removed - next occurrence will get fracked.and Hugh, Old Boy,

Government policy has been to reduce the infection rate “R” so the NHS will not be overwhelmed, not deaths.

So you are wrong with that statement.

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Still trying to get my head around the magnitude of what's going on. Do any hear expect the airline industry to recover or do we generally think that it's the end of an era?

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The airline industry (in my view) is going to be just one of the holiday industries impacted for at least the next 12 months.
Look at it this way. No-one wants to go on holiday with social distancing, spoils the fun.
Social distance in an aircraft???
Light at the end of the tunnel Carnival Cruises resume August 1st.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ume-operations

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It's one and the same thing.

Every infection that could result in death that you keep within supply of healthcare provision, push the other side of a vaccine, or the mythical herd immunity, then you have reduced the overall number of deaths.

Anyway as I'm enjoying a small sabbatical from the Coronavirus thread I'll leave it here for now fully expecting to be selectively quoted and insulted as per the norm.

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Distancing on an plane is rather pointless anyway, given that the air is just re-circulated.
You could get infected by someone at the back of the plane when you are sat at the front.

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Everyone knows to avoid getting sick you don’t eat the fish.

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They'll just have to fly with the windows open;)

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In theory, as long as nobody is coughing or sneezing or exchanging saliva, that shouldn't be an issue.

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Or how about we test people in the days before travel and conduct temperature checks before they get on/after they land and quarantine as appropriate?

You know, the stuff that's evidenced in science.

I'm sure someone will be along to say 'ah, but you can still miss one'.

Yes, however in the absence of a silver bullet/magic cure/'herd immunity" everything is about pushing risk down to as close to zero as possible. A point completely lost on some here.

If you think it's too hard or why bother then we might as well watch the world burn trundling along from lockdown to lockdown and see if that's cost effective.

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Air filtration on flights is as good than hospitals so the above holds true. However, there's also the fact that the virus can live on various surfaces for differing amounts of hours, planes would have to be thoroughly disinfected during 'turnaround time'

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Well the argument for a third runway at Heathrow has vanished in a cloud of viral particles. :D

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The demand will still be there in the near future. The 3rd runway wasn't going to open overnight.

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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...how-it-spreads So, as long as no one talks or touches any surfaces, it should be fine...

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The demand for a 3rd runway is already chronic at Heathrow and as a matter of strategic development it needs to be built anyway.

Virgin Atlantic's decision to quit Gatwick may only serve to make the problem more acute in the medium term, if they attempt to consolidate operations at LHR in order to save money it will put even more pressure on the facilities there.

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Just watch what happens when restrictions are lifted.

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