Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2
 

I’m told the PPV in the UK will be £25 on BT sport box office but the German company who have purchased the rights to the fight are only charging 20 euros.

Is this right?

In terms of the fight, what a spectacle. The best 2 heavy weights in the world putting it all on the line again.

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Different countries can charge different prices as BT sport box office obviously think they can get away with charging a fiver more in good old Blighty.

l will watch it a week later when it appears on their normal channels.

Fury to win on points IMO.

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Amazing what some will pay. The boxers/promoters are laughing all the way to the bank, whilst planning their next pay per view rematch. Boxing is going the way of wrestling, pre-determined outcomes for max profit all round.

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I've just started Fury's audiobook. The guy has been an inspiration to me, really hope he wins.

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Did you watch the documentary BT Sport Fury's Resurrection.

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It’s 100 dollars to watch the PPV in the USA


Biggest heavy weight fight in 20 years, well worth £25

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It's not even close to being the biggest heavyweight fight in 20 years opinionated maybe but even then, just to start you off, Tyson and Lewis was 2003 and I hazard a guess this was top of any boxing fans list. Factually, Joshua vs Klitschko sold more in the UK than Fury-Wilder 1 did in both the UK and US. The US audience for that fight was also higher than Wilder's own numbers domestically. In fact, the last 4 Joshua fights alone have been bigger draws than Wilders and Fury's last four, five, six or ten for that matter. Joshua and Usyk in the UK or even the US is massively bigger.

The fact that anyone could consider this 'The biggest' anything is exactly why boxing took a massive dump in the UK right after Haye/Harrison. Media promotion convincing people that this is some 'Clash of the titans' and not billing it as it is. Fury with a single high profile win in a diabolical 'fight' with Klitschko and Wilder, with two wins against a 40 year old Luis Ortiz and the biggest name on his resume ironically being Fury.

This, they've already signed the trilogy. Fury's been tuning up on absolute bums and Wilder is absolutely petrified of going near anyone with a punch, hence why Whyte, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin and others can't get a look in.

They very literally handpicked each other because Wilder like the rest of the world knows that Fury throws pillows for punches and Fury cherry picked Wilder because he like the rest of the world has seen, is that Wilder is a fairly horrible boxer that sits on a single punch.

The best thing that could come out of this is Wilder pancaking Fury and being forced to take on his Mandatory, Whyte. Whyte has the potential to put an end to Wilder and finally free the stranglehold these two nuggets have on the heavyweight division at the minute.

As for this actual fight,

Fury evidently isn't winning on points. Fury's entire career is based upon being able to allude his opponent and generally fighting backwards, the idea he's moved away from it to gain some power is silly. It either hasn't happened and is a trick to throw Wilder off or it has happened and he'll come in like a raging bull and get knocked out swiftly. The rematch favours Wilder. He's seen everything Fury has on offer and still decked him twice. I expect Wilder to be more aggressive and headhunt Fury from the offset.

If Fury gets put down early, he's done. On the fluke scenario that Fury either gets a points decision in the US or even flukier, scores a knockout then he really has to look at Joshua in Vegas or New York. A Joshua coming forward with no regard for Fury's non-power and more than capable of boxing whilst landing absolute bombs is a stylistic nightmare for Fury.

Reality however is that if Fury wins, a third fight can be sanctioned immediately, however if Wilder wins, then as above he'll be forced to fight a mandatory which at present is Whyte or vacate the title. Either way Wilder winning can sort of get the division moving again.

My pick: Wilder. Who I want to win? Wilder.

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Didn’t realise Eddie Hearn used this forum

What a complete load of biased nonsense

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Nah Adzii has hit the nail on the head as Lennox Lewis and Iron Mike would have eat these for breakfast and his analysis of the heavyweight scene currently is right as well.

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Where's the nonsense. Every single piece of it was solid fact. The biggest Heavyweight fight over the past 20 years was Lewis and Tyson. It was one of the most anticipated clashes in boxing history nevermind at heavyweight. The second part. Again fact. Joshua/Wlad outsold Wilder/Fury worldwide in just the UK alone. His previous four fights also outsold this same fight, again fact. To be honest. Haye and Bellew outdid them. Speaking of Haye, his fight with Wlad was the most anticipated since Tyson and Lewis. Neither Fury or Wilder have the fan base you seem to think they do. That was Wilders first ever PPV fight. That tells you a lot about a guy that's been Champion for the best part of 5 years and with a 40 something fight record.

On the analysis side. Wladimir is Fury's biggest win to date. Fact, its indisputable. Wilders biggest win to date is a 40 year old Luis Ortiz whom by many was severely overrated, again fact. Two guys with 30 and 40 something records but barely a handful of legitimate talented opponents between them. Fury's spent 12 months fighting a German taxi driver and a guy no one has heard of, scraping a UD from the latter pouring of blood. Wilder on the other hand ducked both Joshua and Whyte in the same year in favour of a rematch against the same 40 year old he'd taken out the year before. He did this in favour of preserving the Fury rematch. Very literally cherry picking opponents as did Fury when he took on two bums back to back. They both very literally have no other significant fighters on their resume.


Like I said. These two are holding up an entire division. Whytes been waiting two years. Parker gets another crack. Pulev gets a go at Joshua. Usyk gets a go at Joshua. The difference is. Usyk, Whyte, Joshua, Pulev, Povetkin and Co are all willing to fight each other. Fury is Warren's top draw, Wilders sacking promoters that dare to try set up fights with your Joshua's, Parkers or Whytes. Turning down the most lucrative deal of your career because he didn't like the idea of having to fight either of them.

I did like the Hearn bit though, but no. I like to see prime boxing. Not cherry picked matches. The latter is the reason the UFC shot off. All the top guys fighting each other every single month. On the same note we could drag Warren into it. Notorious for mismanaging fighters.

Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Anthony Crolla, Ricky Hatton. In fact the guy managed to make the same mistake twice regarding Hatton and Brook. Two welterweights with super padded records and world titles only to be fed to P4P #1 fighters in Golovkin and Mayweather. To then follow that up with equally stupid fights with Pacquiao and Spence. Essentially destroying the careers of both fighters in two fights. Two 30 something undefeated fighters who'd never left their own back yard got obliterated as they tried to step from domestic to elite level. Who'd seen that coming? Say what you want about the snake Hearn but he knows how to market his fighters on a completely different level to Warren.

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Something feels very off with Fury.

The change of trainer 7 weeks before a fight. Possibly hasn't worked out as planned.
Claims his cut reopened numerous times in sparring, I know this to be false however - private source
Potentially knocked down or out in sparring - same source
Whispers of an ankle injury from a few sources. - Likely a rumour on the same level as a TMZ post. In plain words, probably false.

Going out on a limb and just speculating he was hungover.

:erm:

Gerald Washington and Charles Martin are on the undercard as an IBF title eliminator as unbelievable as that sounds. Joshua holds the IBF belt and these two are about as useful as each other. Joshua put Martin away once before without so much as getting into any sort of pace. Audley Harrison would struggle to give this lad a win. Gerald Washington is equally as rubbish. There's no way they can stick Joshua on the winner of this down the line. It doesn't matter how you promote it, you couldn't sell it. Assuming Joshua still holds it. Pulev doesn't do much for me. Usyk could be tricky for Joshua, an exception talent and P4P #2 behind Lomachenko. The only issue is his stature. He's a cruiserweight making the Holyfield and Haye move for a record title. Holyfield didn't need to navigate guys massively out sizing him as much as Haye did and we all know how that ended for Haye. The accumulation of weight in his second stint tore him apart from the inside and the first run was cut off by a Klitschko that massively outsized him. That's the issue Usyk runs into with guys the size of Joshua and Fury.

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The omens are not good for Fury adzii.

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He's pencilled in to take his dive and massive pay off in the 5th round ;)

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Have you put your thousands on that wise prediction.;)

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I was meant to answer this and forgot. DAZN are the provider for the fight outside of the mainstream territories. It's 13 quid or so or less by country served and isn't a box office PPV, it's a subscription similar to Netflix but for sports, more closely related to box nation. It's a UK based company and is actively looking for the rights to the UK market too, but until they have the capital to take a shot at Sky or BT it's just a waiting game.

I have a sub to it but it's involved a Canadian friend and a few hoops to jump through. Even so I can't use it tonight because they only secured European rights.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...ly-switzerland
List: https://old.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...here_to_watch/

FITE Network is another popular streaming service.


Build up fights for BT Sports subscribers:

Jimmy Crute vs. Michał Oleksiejczuk UFC FN 168
Karolina Kowalkiewicz vs. Yan Xiaonan UFC FN 168
Ben Sosoli vs. Marcos Rogério de Lima UFC FN 168
Emanuel Navarrete vs. Jeo Santisima BT Sports Box Office.

Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2
 

Last one, still 50/50 at the bookies. If Fury gets as far as the 10th without a scratch then why not. If Wilder lands a killer punch early, then him. Fury's carrying huge extra weight, in shape though. Could limit his speed/cardio but arguably he's fitter than the last bout. Wilder has more to lose than a title. Said before he's not been a great draw, he'll draw well tonight, took the Vegas gate record in revenue, albeit with massively priced tickets. but Fury's the drawing power. Fury could lose and still get a fight with Joshua/Whyte and still draw big.

Edit: Joe Rogan is the alleged primary source of the branching rumours on this. - 2nd: Just watched him say it. He's fairly in the fight circle.

Wilders had some new gloves brought in. Struggled to get them on.

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Wilder is getting absolutely beat up. Couldn't be a clearer three rounds. He's got lackluster boxing skills and is terrified of Fury getting in close.

There it is.

He's like bambi. He looks absolutely gassed.

Wilder can't keep this up. He's been systematically destroyed. 2nd knockdown. I think his ribs were broken earlier. No judge could score this against him. The guy can't box. This is done.

Point deduction for Fury. Give over. Just needs to keep this pressure up. Wilder can't go 12 like this. This fight should be stopped now. He's a mess.

Corner should be stopping it too. Hope Fury's not gassing though. Unsure why a doctor hasn't stopped this.

That's it. Ref stops it. Can complain all he wants. He was out of the fight from the 4th and it was getting silly. No rematch please. Let's free up the division. Wilder is still a horrible boxer then, absolutely terrified of Fury getting in the pocket.

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One way as you say so far but he got to finish him.

Its all over as the towel has been thrown him.:cleader::cleader:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/5...mpaign=bbcnews

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This is why Joshua had to start actually boxing. You can't go 43 fights expecting to just one hit and quit everybody. You'll get found out eventually. He got found out tonight. Zero defence. Zero game plan and as above absolutely terrified of Fury getting in close.

As outlined many times. The idea of a rematch puts me right off, that's why I wanted a wilder win. Let's skip this, a rematch isn't even deserved. I want Fury to bring Whyte and Usyk into the mix now and get the Heavyweight division rolling now that Wilder can't hold it hostage anymore. If they rematch I might have a breakdown.

Fury has gained the legitimate means to call himself the top Heavyweight now. That's Wlad and Wilder conquered and I can finally stop hearing about the time he beat the former in Germany and about how he's the lineal Champion of the world (No one actually cares about the lineal part)

A deserving win, now let's get the actual biggest fights going. Fury vs Usyk would be phenomenal.

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No chance of a rematch after that fight that is for sure.

Joshua has to improve a lot to trouble Fury IMO as my view is he will get outclassed whenever they do meet.

And Whyte and Usyk will get beat in my view if they tackle Fury.

Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2
 

Joshua is way more trouble than Wilder from the first bell. A guy that can hit like Wilder but won't just keep going backwards with his hand down. This is the likely match up this year.

Usyk is the best pure boxer at heavyweight.

Whyte will absolutely slug it out with Fury and anything can happen.

Without a rematch here, the Heavyweight division will spring back to life. Just any four of these fighting each other would be huge. Wilder can go away. This was coming. Either of these four could've give him a belting too. Going 39 fights against cardboard cut outs thinking it's easy and who needs to box when you can just land a single punch? To put that into perspective. Tom Schwarz fought better against Fury than Wilder, the former heavyweight champion of the world. Who's Tom Schwarz?

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Joshua is very limited as Ruiz showed and Ruiz was classed as a Mexican road sweeper.

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He is not good enough in my view.

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Whyte has not been in the ring with someone like Fury and that will come as a big shock to him.

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No chance of Wilder getting a third fight.

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Ruiz did the exact opposite. He forced Joshua to box. Which he did for 12 rounds and took a 12 round clean sweep. Ruiz was near undefeated, stood head on with Joseph Parker, wasn't phased and only narrowly missed out. Ruiz was classed as the #5 Heavyweight in the world prior to the fight. :erm:

It's not a case of who beats who. It's a case of these fights have to happen.

Joshua vs Fury at Wembley in the summer is actually the biggest fight in 20 years. A unification on British soil would be absolutely massive

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Ruiz might be number 5 in the world and he deserved to beat Joshua in the first fight but that in itself just shows how limited Joshua is as Joshua severely lacks real boxing skills and Fury will show those obvious deficiencies when they eventually meet.

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Joshua's boxing is fine. In fact he's easily 3rd in the division behind Usyk and Fury. He never got out boxed by Ruiz. He knocked him down and chased him around the ring and tried to finish him, fighting him in the pocket before being tagged by the same shot Fury caught Wilder with tonight that took out his eardrum. That's nothing to do with boxing skill. That's fight IQ. It's the same level that nearly cost him against Klitschko in the mid rounds. The guy is literally a 4 time gold medalist. It doesn't work like that. Joshua lacks Fight IQ not boxing skill.

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l think you overrate Joshua's boxing capabilities as the great boxing skill is to avoid being hit in the first place and Joshua will be easy to tag when he does eventually meet up with Fury whenever that is..

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Again you seem to be mistaking skill for intelligence. Nobody avoids getting hit. Fury literally just took 7 or 8 bombs from Wilder, you don't question his ability to get hit though do you, no because he's always moving away from the punch rather than into it. Mayweather was taking close to 120 shots a fight and is arguably the greatest defensive boxer in the world. You're going to get hit. Joshua got hit because he went into the pocket with a guy quicker than him that throws hooks, guys that are 6ft6 don't go on the inside with smaller fighters, you fight at range and keep them off you. It's really not impossible to understand. Lets apply your analysis to something else then. The great boxing skill is to avoid being hit in the first place. Then why did Tyson Fury, arguably the best all rounder in the division get dropped twice by Wilder?

A) Because he lacks the boxing skill to keep him off him - Skill
B) He got silly and was getting way ahead of himself and letting his hands drop - Intelligence

Ultimately Joshua is nowhere near as hittable as Wilder or Klitschko. Fury is the favourite but Joshua isn't going to move backwards for him.

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What's important now.

Rematch clause doesn't have to come first.
Challenging for a belt nullifies all mandatory challenges. So an undisputed fight can happen.
Eddie Hearn is already on it.

£250 million fight and the highest grossing British fight of all time.

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Personally l cannot see a Rematch clause coming anytime soon.

Its inevitable that a undisputed fight will happen but its just when?

Anything to do with money Eddie Hearn like his father is like a pig in swill.

Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2
 

Summary:

Deontay Wilder can't box. I've slated him in numerous threads. The guy is just an awful boxer with a freakish right hand knockout blow. It was never going to last, he'd held a World title hostage for 5 years by cherry picking. He cherry picked Fury as a big name because he was on a comeback and out of shape but as mentioned earlier in the thread, Fury had gained weight but was arguably much fitter this time around.

Fury and power? Not so much, the sheer amount of blows landed really left Wilder in a state, again see earlier posts of Joshua not actually being a knockout puncher but rather a cumulative power puncher. That's not Fury but it's similar. Fury's punches did some devastating cumulative damage. Particularly the shot just on the ear that burst his eardrum and actually ended the fight right there. Wilder never recovered, it was near impossible to recover, it really destroys your balance. The ref and the corner gave him the benefit of the doubt to let it go on but everything after that was just lopsided punishment so the fairest way is to take apart what Fury did right and what Wilder did wrong up until that point.

The background: Fury vs Wilder I, Fury is ready but he's nowhere near 100% he's still relatively out of shape and still managed to elude Wilder for 10 rounds. However he plays into Wilders strengths in this fight and never touches up on his weaknesses until very late in the fight. Those being Wilder can't box going backwards, he panics and hasn't got the skill or IQ to navigate people charging him down. Fury however played the first 10 rounds on the back foot himself countering and jabbing away, winning or losing rounds by one or two punches either side of the scorecard. This doesn't phase Wilder because he's just trying to fight at distance with a clocked back right hand which he lands later in the fight twice when Fury inexplicably goes for a bob and weave motion rather than just backing off with your gloves up. It ends in a draw. Correct or not is opinion. With the punch stats and noting the judges didn't have them you really could score a draw in there.

Fury does his homework. He notices that Wilder panics every time someone threatens to put him on the back foot. Wilder is a horrible combination puncher and has next to no defence, fighting inside against guys of any size just isn't an option for him. Going backwards with poor head movement and fairly poor defence is also not an option. Wilder can't land his power punch consistently going backwards. Wilder doesn't do his homework. He expects Fury to box exactly the same way in a rematch. Bare in mind the above and that Fury's also had two tuneups and a chance to get into proper shape.

Fury vs Wilder II

Wilders gameplan hasn't changed. Fury charges straight to the middle and right off the bat he's got Wilder going backwards, everything has changed, Wilder is hesitant straight off the mark, he's desperately trying to paw Fury off with jabs and they're having slight success but he obviously wants to slow it down and get onto Fury doing the backwards fighting. During the second round, Fury starts letting more than just jabs go and Wilder is visibly rattled and has absolutely no idea what to do. His corner have absolutely no idea what to do because they've drilled a one dimensional fighter, there isn't a plan B or C. The third comes and the inevitable is coming, Wilders getting trapped in corners and taking punishment, it's going to start taking its toll. He's landed a few hard shots of his own but as detailed above, Fury was always moving away from them rather than into them before getting back on the offensive. Wilder couldn't launch any sort of sustained attack because again he just didn't have the answers for fighting off the back foot. Fury absolutely planned this months in advance and executed it perfectly. Ben Davison wasn't swapped out because Fury wanted to gain power, they were just led to believe that. He was swapped out to train intensively on an attacking approach rather than the defensive approach he adopts under Ben. In the end it wasn't even a gamble as made out, they 100% knew if they got Wilder on the back foot he'd panic. The barrage of assault continues and he's getting systematically beaten up. He lands a nasty shot around the ear and Wilder goes down. Believe me, nobody stays standing after those. The problem is, similar to Ruiz vs Joshua I it's a shot you simply don't recover from. The fight is over from that point. The rest is Wilder being absolutely beat up. His corner should've pulled him out way sooner.

Can argue all night about how untalented Wilder is or whether Fury has the best boxing skill. None of those mattered. What actually mattered was the tactical masterclass from Fury. A game plan that was drilled and pulled off superbly. I had it 50/50, the bookies had it evens. Vegas had it to Wilder but that's Vegas. Fury had already been in the ring with him and then had an entire year to take that in and study the guy further. I'll never doubt that again. Fury showed he has elite level boxing IQ. He outboxed Wlad with a combination of both in a bit of a drab fight but based on this he'd probably have dismantled Wlad in a rematch.

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It definitely was a tactical masterclass from Fury and a lot of the praise has to go down to the Kronk Gym trainer SugarHill Steward who of course is the nephew of the legendary Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward.

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Only other thing I have to say on it is Wilder has a shocking corner team. An awful job patching up the injuries. Pretty much no advice (Because they didn't have any to give) and letting him go out there till the 7th was just as ridiculous. He was absolutely spent by the 5th round. One of the most shocking corner displays I've seen in modern boxing. After the knockdown he slumped down into his corner and got the advice 'Rack up the right hand' How's he gonna pull that off when he keeps getting pushed back into the corner. Absolutely clueless.

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Yeah from what l heard even when one of his team wanted to throw in the towel there was not complete agreement even over that.

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I saved my money, and slept soundlly.

I pay enough for my TV package.

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It will be shown on BT Sport in its entirity in the next couple of weeks.

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Deontay Wilder's co-manager Shelly Finkel has indicated that they will activate their clause for a trilogy fight with Tyson Fury next and the trainer added that he also believes Wilder will definitely want to face Fury again next.

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Fury and Joshua want each other. Wilder can swivel. The rematch clause being activated only retires him should a third match taking place.

This is what I meant though. Wilder winning would've stopped a third without mandatory fights. Doesn't even have the belt now and he's still managing to hold the division hostage. The guy isn't going to learn to box in half a year, after that shocking stinker of a performance he shouldn't be anywhere near a rematch. Fury had a year to find ways to pick him apart. Give him another 6 months and it can only get worse.

Joshua walks Wilder down and ends him in two rounds.
Usyk systematically dismantles him like Fury did.
Whyte scraps with him and puts him out cold.
Povetkin has a fair chance of decking him.
Ruiz gets on the inside and does a number on him.

Wilder is in serious trouble of vanishing overnight. Honestly I've got a feeling he'll take a bum fight with Charles Martin or something.

Fury's career is complete with a win against Joshua. It's complete even with a loss in fairness now.

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I think your analysis of boxing is heavily Matchroom oriented. Boxing exists other than what Sky Sports feed you.

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The majority of my boxing views come from DAZN. So that's straight out of the window. As for Matchroom. It's no coincidence they're making record bank. Usyk, Joshua, Mike Garcia. Infact 18 current world champions.

It's hard to avoid Matchroom boxing when the rest of the Heavyweight division just aren't relevant right now and the only two outside that relevance scale are a single Top Rank and Warren fighter in Fury and Wilder.

Name a single heavyweight outside that scope right now. I can't not discuss four fighters that just so happen to be ranked 1, 2, 3 and 4 in numerous rankings just because they're matchroom boxers.

It's not even really opinion either. There's only a single heavyweight in the world I'd place in the top p4p rankings and its Usyk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxi...pound_rankings

Appears to be a distinct lack of Heavyweights.

The simple reality of the situation is the best fighters in the world aren't at heavyweight and outside the top 7 the Heavyweight division is still massively irrelevant. There's 5 Matchroom fighters, one of which holds 3 of the four main world titles. One is p4p top 5 in the world of any weight class and the other three are all mandatory challengers for world titles. The other two as above are Warren and Top Rank.

If you think it's Matchroom oriented. Go find my attacks on how crap I think Kell Brook is, with or without a world title.

This is exactly what happens every time people turn up in trumps for a single big heavyweight fight.

But aye for reference sake because this is somehow necessary because of the lack of reasoning on how boxing politics or rankings work.

My current favourite watch is Errol Spence Jr. Followed by Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Anthony Joshua, Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Derek Chisora, Usyk, Canelo Alvarez, Gennady Golovkin, Daniel Jacobs, Jorge Linares, Rungvisai. I'll tune in for a top Fury fight or a decent Wilder fight (Ortiz/Breazeale) You can't have threads for most of these because strangely everyone seems to disappear unless it's Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Dodgy that. So aye. Crucify me for bringing Matchroom boxers into a casual fight thread in a division predominantly stacked with the very same fighters. You can find umpteen boxers from various promotions in the original MMA thread and Boxing/MMA Cross thread. Notable praise for David Haye bringing boxing to FTA rather than Sky Sports. I can't bash Eddie Hearn at heavyweight, I operate on facts not opinion and the fact is he's got top ranked heavyweights and quite simply revived and made the Heavyweight division relevant again in the UK after Fury ditched the sport following his win to Wlad, opinions are opinions but stats don't lie. Come down to the 147-155 divisions and I'll hammer Eddie hearn everyday of the week. I criticised Warren for wasting Kell Brooks talent but Hearn is desperately trying to sell the guy, notably trying to con the British public that Kell Brook and Amir Khan fighting each other on box office is totally worth buying. It isn't and that's Hearn at his snakiest. Do you think I bothered getting off my arse to watch Kell Brook on Sky Sports the other week? Arguably Kid Galahad was the most exciting fight on that card but I never tuned in because I'm tired of Hearn and Sky trying to flog us a dead horse just to build up that rubbish Khan fight that'll inevitably sell out when the boxing causal British public empty their pockets to watch the pile of crap. The only solid bias and opinion I have for Matchroom is I'd much rather have Joshua there than with Warren, Golden Boy or Top Rank. Fury is absolutely a product of his own making. Frank Warren had absolutely nothing to do with it. The guy could literally self promote and still make money.

I keep saying it and I'll keep repeating. Joshua vs Fury is the biggest fight in heavyweight boxing right now and possibly the biggest fight in boxing for change. That's naff all to do with Hearn, Warren, Sky or BT. It's just two fighters that both hold every world title between them.

The best outright boxing fight is Fury vs Usyk.

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On that we agree, they have been stealing a living and when needed let him down badly. I disagree with your assessment of wilders ability though, you don't win a Olympic medal without being able to box. He probably has got so used to relying on that one punch he's got lazy and not put the work into plan b, he like every pundit and armchair expert were expecting a replay of the first meeting and when that didn't happen they were perplexed to the point of paralysis, that ear shot is so hard to recover from as aj found to his cost to, the fact he even got up is deserving of credit in my book and I'm not at all surprised he's triggering the rematch,.you don't become champ by not backing yourself, I think a rematch could be very interesting

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By who? Anyone underestimating a Mexican fighter is going to look very silly very soon, not to mention Ruiz has the quickest hands going, especially at the buffet, you've got me at it now

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Nah I'd agree. It'd make sense that he got so adjusted to winning with a single style that he had no answer for it.

I like Ruiz. He's a likeable guy. Unsure why he's been written off. Fury basically did the same thing with the added benefit of a small militias worth of cocaine. I hope he feels the pain of the let down and does something about it. The guy could easily sign a fight with a top 10 at any point and a single win puts him right back amongst it. Mexican fans are huge to PPV boxing in the US. Canelos draw is statement to it. I know at the very least he's in some sort of training and they're looking to set up a fight with Chris Arreola. By no means a huge fight but a tuneup fight that'd give him access to the big lads without an issue.

Anyway a rematch thats been thrown around for June would allow everyone to settle their affairs before squaring off against each other late this year or early next.

Kal Yafai next week with Garcia and Vargas too. Throw in some UFC with Ngannou the month after, Khabib and Ferguson the month after that. Dubois and Joyce. Beterbiyev is well worth a watch too. Not a bad start to the year with no signs of slowing down. Canelo pencilled in for May, Joshua for June, potentially Fury for June.

Re: Tyson Fury Vs Deontay Wilder 2
 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...test-wild-boar

The suspension was served for the doping offence so I'm not really sure why this matters now. Up until now from the 2015 offence he's been presumably clean. I mean they submit multiple samples pre fight and post fight as well as random drop ins throughout training camps. So as above, even if found to be true. The ban would've still been 2 years. Farmer gains some media money and comes back for a bigger hush payment now that Fury is worth tenfold more than he was in 2015. This is all.

Canelo P4P #1, highest grossing boxer post Mayweather era and Golden Boy golden goose tested positive pre and post Golovkin, displaying all the tell-tale signs of steroid use, threw the same excuse as everyone else does, Wild Boar. Money made it vanish fairly quickly in the following years. Also only served a 6 month ban.

Just a reference story regarding politics and corruption inside the sport.