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Damien 08-01-2020 19:51
Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51040751

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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and divide time between UK and North America.

In a statement posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they plan to "carve out a progressive new role within this institution".

They said it came after "months of reflection and internal discussions".
Not sure how this will work. :confused:

Hom3r 08-01-2020 20:13
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Lets hope the **** press leave them alone.

denphone 08-01-2020 20:15
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36022340)
Lets hope the **** press leave them alone.
l somehow doubt it.

nomadking 08-01-2020 20:28
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Are we really expected to believe that she won't continue to trade in on his name? She's spent her life actively seeking the limelight, she's not going to give up now.

Hom3r 08-01-2020 21:34
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HOW can she cash in on his name.

She's a name in the own right with some 28 TV programs & 8 Films to her name.

She had to quit Suits when she got engaged.

TheDaddy 08-01-2020 21:40
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36022339)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51040751



Not sure how this will work. :confused:
It wont work and neither do they but what the heck as long as someone else is footing the bill.

nomadking 08-01-2020 21:46
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36022352)
HOW can she cash in on his name.

She's a name in the own right with some 28 TV programs & 8 Films to her name.

She had to quit Suits when she got engaged.
So how many people had heard of her before taking up with him or any other high profile male she is alleged to have been seeking? "Suits" was the only series where she made anything other than 1 or 2 appearances.

mrmistoffelees 09-01-2020 00:04
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Megxit ?

Mr K 09-01-2020 09:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36022354)
It wont work and neither do they but what the heck as long as someone else is footing the bill.
Wish they'd all 'step back' and save us a lot of money. All the self indulgent divorces, palaces, houses and resulting offspring that we're expected to pay for.

denphone 09-01-2020 09:32
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36022373)
Wish they'd all 'step back' and save us a lot of money. All the self indulgent divorces, palaces, houses and resulting offspring that we're expected to pay for.
l gather you are a anti-monarchist Mr K?.

Hugh 09-01-2020 10:12
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I think they’re doing the right thing - he doesn’t want to be another Prince Andrew...

denphone 09-01-2020 10:15
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l quite agree.

papa smurf 09-01-2020 10:28
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022374)
l gather you are a anti-monarchist Mr K?.
He's just a man who was born at the wrong time in the wrong country on the wrong planet;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022375)
I think they’re doing the right thing - he doesn’t want to be another Prince Andrew...
I think your right.

Maggy 09-01-2020 10:32
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Who is going to pay for their security? They will still be a terrorist target.

Chris 09-01-2020 10:40
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36022383)
Who is going to pay for their security? They will still be a terrorist target.
Their security needs arise because of the constitutional politics and history of the British State. It is therefore the British State’s ongoing responsibility to pay for their security. It’s not as if it isn’t in our interests to do so either - we don’t need some nutter or extremist trying to hold the country to ransom by snatching one of them.

heero_yuy 09-01-2020 10:54
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If they're going to bugger off to Canada do we get the £2m+ back that was spent tarting up Frogmore "Cottage"?

Nope, thought not.

Mr K 09-01-2020 11:25
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022341)
l somehow doubt it.
Not particularly Den, you've got to admire the Queen's 'stickability'. However they shouldn't get a blank cheque and earn their keep. They also shouldn't dominate the headlines with their boring private lives when there'e a lot more important things going on.

denphone 09-01-2020 11:32
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36022389)
Not particularly Den, you've got to admire the Queen's 'stickability'. However they shouldn't get a blank cheque and earn their keep. They also shouldn't dominate the headlines with their boring private lives when there'e a lot more important things going on.
Blame that on the tabloid press who have learned nothing from the tragedy of Princess Diana.

Mr K 09-01-2020 12:26
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022391)
Blame that on the tabloid press who have learned nothing from the tragedy of Princess Diana.
You could also blame the people that continue to buy this crap.

Maggy 09-01-2020 12:57
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36022402)
You could also blame the people that continue to buy this crap.
:tu:

nomadking 09-01-2020 13:02
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Where does it say they're going to retire into obscurity?

Maggy 09-01-2020 13:03
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36022385)
Their security needs arise because of the constitutional politics and history of the British State. It is therefore the British State’s ongoing responsibility to pay for their security. It’s not as if it isn’t in our interests to do so either - we don’t need some nutter or extremist trying to hold the country to ransom by snatching one of them.
It is unfair on the British taxpayer if they aren't going to earn their keep promoting Britain.

However it will be interesting to see if they can earn their own income and how they will do so.

Hugh 09-01-2020 13:14
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022408)
Where does it say they're going to retire into obscurity?
Who said they were?

They said
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We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen. It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment. We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.

TheDaddy 09-01-2020 14:27
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36022386)
If they're going to bugger off to Canada do we get the £2m+ back that was spent tarting up Frogmore "Cottage"?

Nope, thought not.
No of course not, they want to have cake and eat it but it doesn't work like that, you're either in the family or your not, you don't get to have the privileges without giving anything back. I notice he wants to keep what's laughably called a cottage but might be prepared tp cough up a bit of rent!

Chris 09-01-2020 14:36
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36022409)
It is unfair on the British taxpayer if they aren't going to earn their keep promoting Britain.
How can that be? Their security needs arise from birth and from constitutional and political matters that are entirely beyond their control. That being the case, making their security contingent on their continued cooperation with those matters would have a whiff of blackmail about it.

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However it will be interesting to see if they can earn their own income and how they will do so.
Other royals have managed it, with varying degrees of success. I suspect their allure in America will be such that they won’t have too many problems.

nomadking 09-01-2020 17:32
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022415)
Who said they were?

They said
Precisely. They (or rather she) are still going to actively seek publicity, which means the media will inevitably still be involved. She is still going to play off his name and titles. Just all goes to further demonstrate she's just a self-centred, attention seeking, nasty piece of woke.

Mick 09-01-2020 17:53
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Being reported that Madame Tussauds has removed waxworks of Harry and Meghan from royal family display.

Ouch. :erm:

Hugh 09-01-2020 20:07
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022433)
Precisely. They (or rather she) are still going to actively seek publicity, which means the media will inevitably still be involved. She is still going to play off his name and titles. Just all goes to further demonstrate she's just a self-centred, attention seeking, nasty piece of woke.
Your interpretation says more about you than it does about them...

nomadking 09-01-2020 20:28
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022454)
Your interpretation says more about you than it does about them...
So when hasn't she been attention seeking and all too ready to trash anybody that gets in her way? Even now, her sole motivation is to use his name and money to attract attention and be seen as super-woke. So much for being independent and not wanting press attention.:rolleyes:

richard s 09-01-2020 20:42
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Here is wishing them and the baby all the very best for the future... shame none of the others are going as well.:D

Hugh 09-01-2020 21:18
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022455)
So when hasn't she been attention seeking and all too ready to trash anybody that gets in her way? Even now, her sole motivation is to use his name and money to attract attention and be seen as super-woke. So much for being independent and not wanting press attention.:rolleyes:
You’re the one stating this calumny - feel free to give recent examples...

Pierre 09-01-2020 21:22
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As long as they’re not gleaming subsistence from the civil list, I don’t care what they do.

Personally, unfortunately, I don’t see a bright future for these two.

nomadking 09-01-2020 21:32
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022459)
You’re the one stating this calumny - feel free to give recent examples...
To begin with, the mere fact they're(ie she) not planning on retiring into obscurity. If they were, then fair enough, but she's still planning to use his names and titles. She is the one that was desperate for a Hollywood career.

Carth 10-01-2020 12:53
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Reminds me of the Beckhams . .

He shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision, she's a control freak with delusions of importance.

Maggy 10-01-2020 13:13
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022462)
To begin with, the mere fact they're(ie she) not planning on retiring into obscurity. If they were, then fair enough, but she's still planning to use his names and titles. She is the one that was desperate for a Hollywood career.
Proof?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022454)
Your interpretation says more about you than it does about them...
:tu:

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022455)
So when hasn't she been attention seeking and all too ready to trash anybody that gets in her way? Even now, her sole motivation is to use his name and money to attract attention and be seen as super-woke. So much for being independent and not wanting press attention.:rolleyes:
Proof?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022433)
Precisely. They (or rather she) are still going to actively seek publicity, which means the media will inevitably still be involved. She is still going to play off his name and titles. Just all goes to further demonstrate she's just a self-centred, attention seeking, nasty piece of woke.
Proof?

denphone 10-01-2020 13:28
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36022486)
Reminds me of the Beckhams . .

He shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision, she's a control freak with delusions of importance.
l wonder how you would feel if you lost your mother at the age of 12...

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36022486)
Reminds me of the Beckhams . .

He shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision, she's a control freak with delusions of importance.
Any proof of that? apart from what the British tabloid press write with their poisonous pens.

nomadking 10-01-2020 13:32
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It was revealed in December the couple had made an application to trademark their Sussex Royal brand across a string of items including books, calendars, clothing, charitable fundraising, education and social care services.

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In June the pair trademarked the Royal Sussex brand, applying it to dozens of items and services from pencil cases to sport activities and education training.
As one of the most famous couples in the world, their brand has the potential to be highly lucrative. Their joint Instagram account @sussexroyal has more than 10 million followers, while Meghan was the most Googled person in the UK in 2018.

Paul 10-01-2020 16:05
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... while Meghan was the most Googled person in the UK in 2018.
Because no one had a clue who she was ....

The fact they think they are "Senior Royals" tells you how self important they [think] they are.

I really dont give a toss what they do, and neither I suspect do a lot of people.

Damien 10-01-2020 16:35
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36022499)
Because no one had a clue who she was ....

The fact they think they are "Senior Royals" tells you how self important they [think] they are.

I really dont give a toss what they do, and neither I suspect do a lot of people.
They are senior Royals though. Prince Harry might not be in line to the throne but he is still the Grandson of the Queen, the son of the future King and the brother to the King after that.

Which is why he can't detangle himself from the Royals so easily. There will always be security and PR concerns for whatever it is he does next. I also think there is a problem if he trades on this Royalty in future work, if they seek to become mega celebrities and trade on their connection to the British Monarchy. I am not saying they will but that'll be the concern. The Civil List is nothing really and coming off it to 'become financially independent' is a bit of a cop-out if they're going to start making far more money by being Royalty in America.

It does raise the question of what we are doing to these people though. Trapping them in a role defined for them from birth that they cannot easily extract themselves from. :erm:

Chris 10-01-2020 16:36
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36022499)
Because no one had a clue who she was ....

The fact they think they are "Senior Royals" tells you how self important they [think] they are.

I really dont give a toss what they do, and neither I suspect do a lot of people.
They are senior royals. The term has meaning in terms of the level of official work they do, but is derived from how close to the line of succession they are.

If they simply “step back” from the level of official work Harry has done in the past they are still senior royals because Harry will be the king’s son, and eventually the king’s brother. The reason this is all so officially shocking is that H&M have tried to circumvent this by starting that they plan to “step back” from being senior royals, not just from the official work of senior royals. Harry has come pretty close to renouncing his titles and claims.

heero_yuy 10-01-2020 18:29
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Quote from Chris: Harry has come pretty close to renouncing his titles and claims.
Well we live in Sussex and as far as we're concerned he's not our Duke.

Chris 10-01-2020 20:08
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36022516)
Well we live in Sussex and as far as we're concerned he's not our Duke.
I’m passing-acquainted with my local (not royal, but hereditary) duke and I don’t consider him “mine” either ... neither does he consider himself ours. He gets a “your grace” when the local flower show opens but that’s just the tradition. On the years when he does the formal opening and gets a tub of chocolates as a thank-you he wanders round sharing them out afterwards.

The nobility is to all practical intent a relic in this country. With the single exception of the monarch and immediate family I don’t think anyone with a hereditary or life peerage would expect any formal recognition in any but the most formal of ceremonial circumstances.

heero_yuy 10-01-2020 20:34
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What really pisses me off is them using our county name to promote all the crap products that they'll pass off across the planet. :mad:

Mr K 10-01-2020 21:23
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36022530)
What really pisses me off is them using our county name to promote all the crap products that they'll pass off across the planet. :mad:
You've been reading too many tabloids old chap. They, and the Royal Family are a big yawn. This 'story' dominating the headlines for days demonstrates all that's wrong with this country, we've got our priorities all wrong. Don't blame them tbh, I'm tempted by Canada. The UK is going backwards.

Chris 10-01-2020 22:00
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36022532)
You've been reading too many tabloids old chap. They, and the Royal Family are a big yawn. This 'story' dominating the headlines for days demonstrates all that's wrong with this country, we've got our priorities all wrong. Don't blame them tbh, I'm tempted by Canada. The UK is going backwards.
But but but Canada’s not in the EU, and I thought a Canada style free trade agreement was a really bad thing?

And chlorinated chicken.

Mr K 10-01-2020 22:10
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36022536)
But but but Canada’s not in the EU, and I thought a Canada style free trade agreement was a really bad thing?

And chlorinated chicken.
I don't eat chicken, and the EU at least have a deal with Canada, unlike the UK.

Sephiroth 11-01-2020 11:35
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Harry will sort out a deal with Canada.

Mick 18-01-2020 20:01
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BREAKING: Harry and Meghan to lose HRH titles and to pay back £2.4 Million funds back to public for the refurbishment of their home. Buckingham Palace has announced.

Chris 18-01-2020 20:17
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Technically they have agreed not to use the HRH style, they’re not being stripped of them (which would be a very punitive move on the Queen’s part and would deepen the crisis rather than assuaging it).

nomadking 18-01-2020 21:59
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Are we really meant to believe that Meghan's 2 recent visits to non-white, non-male organisations wasn't because of her royal connections?
Link
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On the pair's first official overseas tour last year with their son, Archie, the Duchess of Sussex told teenage girls in a deprived part of South Africa that she was with them "as a woman of colour and as your sister".
She is going to be constantly trading on the connections. That is what I really object to. If they genuinely wanted to step back from the "limelight", then fair enough. But on her part, that's never going to happen.

Mr K 18-01-2020 22:03
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023099)
Technically they have agreed not to use the HRH style, they’re not being stripped of them (which would be a very punitive move on the Queen’s part and would deepen the crisis rather than assuaging it).
Crisis? Not really. Global warming is a crisis. The Royal family are a boring irrelevance and I don't know us/the media obsess over them. Maybe they just don't like the way thing are going in the UK, fair enough, let them go. Many other young people might follow suit and leave the pensioners to their tabloids.

Pierre 18-01-2020 22:21
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023106)
Crisis? Not really. Global warming is a crisis. The Royal family are a boring irrelevance and I don't know us/the media obsess over them. Maybe they just don't like the way thing are going in the UK, fair enough, let them go.
Agreed.

Hugh 19-01-2020 12:19
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023105)
Are we really meant to believe that Meghan's 2 recent visits to non-white, non-male organisations wasn't because of her royal connections?
Link
She is going to be constantly trading on the connections. That is what I really object to. If they genuinely wanted to step back from the "limelight", then fair enough. But on her part, that's never going to happen.
Well, the visit to Rwanda in February 2016, four months before she started seeing Harry, wasn't because of her "royal connections"...

https://www.worldvision.org.uk/news-...0000-rwandans/


And in 2014 (two years before she met H), she became an Advocate for Political Participation and Leadership for the women's agency of the United Nations.

nomadking 19-01-2020 12:30
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023138)
Well, the visit to Rwanda in February 2016, four months before she started seeing Harry, wasn't because of her "royal connections"...

https://www.worldvision.org.uk/news-...0000-rwandans/


And in 2014 (two years before she met H), she became an Advocate for Political Participation and Leadership for the women's agency of the United Nations.
Strange that on the one hand allegedly wanting to avoid royal type duties, but on the other seeming to want to do a lot of those sorts of things.



Why would anybody in Rwanda have known that she appeared in a TV series?

papa smurf 19-01-2020 12:41
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023139)
Strange that on the one hand allegedly wanting to avoid royal type duties, but on the other seeming to want to do a lot of those sorts of things.



Why would anybody in Rwanda have known that she appeared in a TV series?
My understanding is the TV set has gone global since it's invention.

nomadking 19-01-2020 13:25
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36023140)
My understanding is the TV set has gone global since it's invention.
Their priority was having a TV and watching a US English language TV series over having clean water? Yeah right, although it wouldn't be completely surprising. She was there as Ms A. N Other. The two recent Canadian appearances were solely due to her acquired royal connections. Any future appearances, along with the publicity will also be due to that. She doesn't do anything concrete, other than promote herself.

Maggy 19-01-2020 16:34
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023142)
Their priority was having a TV and watching a US English language TV series over having clean water? Yeah right, although it wouldn't be completely surprising. She was there as Ms A. N Other. The two recent Canadian appearances were solely due to her acquired royal connections. Any future appearances, along with the publicity will also be due to that. She doesn't do anything concrete, other than promote herself.
Seems you believe everything you read or hear in the guttersnipe media and press.

denphone 19-01-2020 16:43
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36023154)
Seems you believe everything you read or hear in the guttersnipe media and press.
Who of course have got their own agenda which this article explains well..

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-meghan-markle

Maggy 20-01-2020 09:38
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023155)
Who of course have got their own agenda which this article explains well..

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-meghan-markle
:tu:

nomadking 20-01-2020 11:10
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36023154)
Seems you believe everything you read or hear in the guttersnipe media and press.
The Rwanda visit was just as Ms A. N. Other and after any actual work had been done. That is set out in the article by the charity itself.

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While visiting a school in Rwanda in February 2016, she taught students to paint with watercolours using water from a newly-installed pipeline in their community.
Her words form the article.
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Access to clean water in a community keeps young girls in school, because they aren't walking hours each day to source water for their families. It allows women to invest in their own businesses and community.
Forever racist and sexist.
Her own words again, reported by the BBC.

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On the pair's first official overseas tour last year with their son, Archie, the Duchess of Sussex told teenage girls in a deprived part of South Africa that she was with them "as a woman of colour and as your sister".
Reported by the BBC based upon actual facts.
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The Sussexes' new charity is expected to be global, linked to Africa and the US, rather than domestic - and will have a commitment to female empowerment.
It was revealed in December the couple had made an application to trademark their Sussex Royal brand across a string of items including books, calendars, clothing, charitable fundraising, education and social care services.
She is the one still seeking publicity and attention. Hardly a case of wanting to step back from the limelight.:rolleyes:


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Both Prince Harry and Meghan have said they are interested in continuing with their charity work, with the duchess visiting two Vancouver-based women's organisations this week.
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On Tuesday she visited a charity in Vancouver which campaigns for teenage girls living in poverty.Justice for Girls said Meghan visited to "discuss climate justice for girls and the rights of indigenous peoples".
As if those those don't affect white males.:rolleyes:
Endless hypocrisy from her and her supporters.

Hugh 20-01-2020 12:01
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023183)
The Rwanda visit was just as Ms A. N. Other and after any actual work had been done. That is set out in the article by the charity itself.

Her words form the article.
Forever racist and sexist.
Her own words again, reported by the BBC.


Reported by the BBC based upon actual facts.

She is the one still seeking publicity and attention. Hardly a case of wanting to step back from the limelight.:rolleyes:



As if those those don't affect white males.:rolleyes:
Endless hypocrisy from her and her supporters.
Did she not want to go out with you, as well as Piers Morgan? ;)

Explains your bile, and your obsessive hatred of her...

Mr K 20-01-2020 12:01
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023183)
The Rwanda visit was just as Ms A. N. Other and after any actual work had been done. That is set out in the article by the charity itself.

Her words form the article.
Forever racist and sexist.
Her own words again, reported by the BBC.


Reported by the BBC based upon actual facts.

She is the one still seeking publicity and attention. Hardly a case of wanting to step back from the limelight.:rolleyes:



As if those those don't affect white males.:rolleyes:
Endless hypocrisy from her and her supporters.
I think we get that you don't like her. However there must be more important things in your life ?

Mick 20-01-2020 12:31
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Can I say I don’t like her either, without lefty responses that I must be racist or just jealous, which I’m neither?

I am, like Piers Morgan, Normad King, entitled to criticise without all this Fake tears bullshit. :rolleyes:

Maggy 20-01-2020 13:00
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
I just don't listen to fake news.

TheDaddy 20-01-2020 14:25
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023189)
Can I say I don’t like her either, without lefty responses that I must be racist or just jealous, which I’m neither?

I am, like Piers Morgan, Normad King, entitled to criticise without all this Fake tears bullshit. :rolleyes:
I'm no fan either, notice her dad has had his say to, didn't make comfortable listening either, even if it is true why would you throw your child under the bus like that, wouldn't happen on Harry's side of the family, just ask his dad, James Hewitt.... :erm: :shocked:

Hugh 20-01-2020 16:34
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023189)
Can I say I don’t like her either, without lefty responses that I must be racist or just jealous, which I’m neither?

I am, like Piers Morgan, Normad King, entitled to criticise without all this Fake tears bullshit. :rolleyes:
Every one is entitled to their point of view - others are entitled to challenge it if they disagree with it (without denigration).

Maggy 20-01-2020 16:45
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023183)
The Rwanda visit was just as Ms A. N. Other and after any actual work had been done. That is set out in the article by the charity itself.

Her words form the article.
Forever racist and sexist.
Her own words again, reported by the BBC.


Reported by the BBC based upon actual facts.

She is the one still seeking publicity and attention. Hardly a case of wanting to step back from the limelight.:rolleyes:



As if those those don't affect white males.:rolleyes:
Endless hypocrisy from her and her supporters.

Where is the link?

Hom3r 20-01-2020 19:07
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I hope the **** press and racists are happy.

Mr K 20-01-2020 19:14
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023199)
Every one is entitled to their point of view - others are entitled to challenge it if they disagree with it (without denigration).
It's when their point of view mirrors what they've read in the tabloids it gets boring. Who can say they don't like this woman, if they've never actually met her?

peanut 20-01-2020 19:18
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023226)
It's when their point of view mirrors what they've read in the tabloids it gets boring. Who can say they don't like this woman, if they've never actually met her?
Me.

Mr K 20-01-2020 19:20
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36023229)
Me.
On what grounds? On what you've read? Where did you read it?

nomadking 20-01-2020 19:42
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36023200)
Where is the link?
In Hugh's post.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023226)
It's when their point of view mirrors what they've read in the tabloids it gets boring. Who can say they don't like this woman, if they've never actually met her?
If somebody puts themselves in the public eye and their actions contradict what they say, then they should be criticised. Eg He might be "retiring" from public duties, but she has shown that she has always been determined to seek attention. How are the 2 visits she made while in Canada retiring from the public gaze? Her actions speak louder than her words.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36023222)
I hope the **** press and racists are happy.
She is the one focussed on race, as her quotes demonstrate. Imagine what would happen if a white male was only going to focus their attention on white males. All hell would let loose.


She's clearly not the nice person she's made out to be. My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with other people's opinion, and is based upon hard facts and what she says and does.

Maggy 20-01-2020 23:39
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023231)
In Hugh's post.

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If somebody puts themselves in the public eye and their actions contradict what they say, then they should be criticised. Eg He might be "retiring" from public duties, but she has shown that she has always been determined to seek attention. How are the 2 visits she made while in Canada retiring from the public gaze? Her actions speak louder than her words.

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She is the one focussed on race, as her quotes demonstrate. Imagine what would happen if a white male was only going to focus their attention on white males. All hell would let loose.


She's clearly not the nice person she's made out to be. My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with other people's opinion, and is based upon hard facts and what she says and does.
I'm afraid your reading comprehension is just not up to snuff. Nothing wrong or racist about that article whatsoever.

Sephiroth 21-01-2020 06:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36023231)
<SNIP>
She is the one focussed on race, as her quotes demonstrate. Imagine what would happen if a white male was only going to focus their attention on white males. All hell would let loose.


She's clearly not the nice person she's made out to be. My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with other people's opinion, and is based upon hard facts and what she says and does.
I couldn't resist the pointing out use of the word "their" to qualify a "white male".

Was that built-in political correctness or just a slip of the finger?

Mick 21-01-2020 08:18
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023199)
Every one is entitled to their point of view - others are entitled to challenge it if they disagree with it (without denigration).
And I can and will challenge why you disagree with someone hating someone.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023226)
It's when their point of view mirrors what they've read in the tabloids it gets boring. Who can say they don't like this woman, if they've never actually met her?
Drop the crap about people reading tabloids. Your pathetic obsession with who reads what is getting tedious. Anyone is entitled to an opinion without reading a thing.

Mr K 21-01-2020 08:27
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023264)
And I can and will challenge why you disagree with someone hating someone.

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Drop the crap about people reading tabloids. Your pathetic obsession with who reads what is getting tedious. Anyone is entitled to an opinion without reading a thing.
Yes everyone has a right to hate someone they've never met or really know, it's the brave new Britain.

Ever thought of becoming a Daily Fail columnist Mick ? ;)

Mick 21-01-2020 08:40
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023267)
Yes everyone has a right to hate someone they've never met or really know, it's the brave new Britain.

Ever thought of becoming a Daily Fail columnist Mick ? ;)
I don’t know any tabloid called that. I’m mature enough to refer to businesses by their correct name. Pretty sure on CF you’re suppose to do the same. Infraction time for you? (Don’t push your luck with me).

Hugh 21-01-2020 10:56
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Apt point from @Jimcognito2016 on Twitter.

Quote:
It saddens me that we live in a country where a disgraced former tabloid editor who posted fake pictures of our troops and was complicit in the large scale hacking of people’s phones can accuse an actual war hero of being unpatriotic and 16,000 *redacted* “like” it.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36023264)
And I can and will challenge why you disagree with someone hating someone.

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Drop the crap about people reading tabloids. Your pathetic obsession with who reads what is getting tedious. Anyone is entitled to an opinion without reading a thing.
I (mostly) disagree with "hating" things, because hate is such a negative emotion which blinds rational thought and discussion- I understand strongly disliking things, but you can have a reasoned discussion about those things; if someone hates something, it becomes an argument about who’s right, rather than a debate about what’s right - the hate becomes all-consuming, and reason leaves the discussion.

peanut 21-01-2020 11:08
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Who's the war hero?

pip08456 21-01-2020 11:32
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36023274)
Who's the war hero?
That's what I thought.

Hugh 21-01-2020 16:20
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36023274)
Who's the war hero?
Anyone who served front-line in Afghanistan, especially in a FOB in Helmand Province.

Lieutenant General Richards said that this was the heaviest persistent combat the British Armed Forces had experienced since the Korean War or the Second World War.

Also flying front seat in an Apache over Terry Taliban and his SAMs and RPGs sounds fairly heroic to me...

nashville 21-01-2020 16:27
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I hope they can find happiness in Canada. I always liked harry and William . I still do.

TheDaddy 21-01-2020 16:33
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023226)
It's when their point of view mirrors what they've read in the tabloids it gets boring. Who can say they don't like this woman, if they've never actually met her?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36023303)
I hope they can find happiness in Canada. I always liked harry and William . I still do.
Apparently it's not possible for you to like them if you haven't actually met them :rolleyes:

pip08456 21-01-2020 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36023305)
Apparently it's not possible for you to like them if you haven't actually met them :rolleyes:
Doesn't that work both ways?

TheDaddy 21-01-2020 17:08
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36023306)
Doesn't that work both ways?
Hopefully or that'd make my last post inaccurate :erm:

nashville 21-01-2020 17:15
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Let them get on with their life and hope Harry gets no more problems .

Paul 21-01-2020 17:46
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023267)
Yes everyone has a right to hate someone they've never met or really know, it's the brave new Britain.
Whats new about it exactly, you have always had that right.

Mr K 21-01-2020 19:31
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36023305)
Apparently it's not possible for you to like them if you haven't actually met them :rolleyes:
Don't like or dislike them, I don't know them, but as mentioned the Royals are an irrelevance given the much bigger things going on in the World, which makes the constant media coverage pathetic.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36023312)
Whats new about it exactly, you have always had that right.
Demonisation of individual seems to be a particular trait of this country, build someone up, then destroy them in n the tabloids. All to sell papers and damn the consequences on individuals. No wonder they want to leave.

peanut 21-01-2020 19:49
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Hopefully now they've effed off and want their privacy, hopefully we'll never hear from them again.... Well here's hoping....

heero_yuy 21-01-2020 20:09
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I somehow don't think that the tabloids will allow you or us the luxury. :rolleyes:

denphone 21-01-2020 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36023321)
I somehow don't think that the tabloids will allow you or us the luxury. :rolleyes:
One forgets the equivalent of the British tabloids are in many other major countries.

Hugh 21-01-2020 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023323)
One forgets the equivalent of the British tabloids are in many other major countries.
Other countries often have stricter Privacy laws.

Sephiroth 21-01-2020 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023324)
Other countries often have stricter Privacy laws.
what even where our Royals are concerned?

Hugh 21-01-2020 22:09
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36023340)
what even where our Royals are concerned?
Yes, they can be sued if the breach of privacy happens in that country.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ion-of-privacy

TheDaddy 22-01-2020 01:39
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36023317)
Don't like or dislike them, I don't know them, but as mentioned the Royals are an irrelevance given the much bigger things going on in the World, which makes the constant media coverage pathetic.

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Demonisation of individual seems to be a particular trait of this country, build someone up, then destroy them in n the tabloids. All to sell papers and damn the consequences on individuals. No wonder they want to leave.
I do dislike them and the institution they are part of, they come across to me as couple of spoilt brats and they're not irrelevant to me when I have to contribute towards them

Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36023320)
Hopefully now they've effed off and want their privacy, hopefully we'll never hear from them again.... Well here's hoping....
Sadly not I fear, they only want privacy on their terms, serve them right if no bothered covering what they next want to flog, they don't seem to get that it's a double edged sword and you can't have your cake and eat it

Hugh 22-01-2020 11:06
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36023362)
I do dislike them and the institution they are part of, they come across to me as couple of spoilt brats and they're not irrelevant to me when I have to contribute towards them



Sadly not I fear, they only want privacy on their terms, serve them right if no bothered covering what they next want to flog, they don't seem to get that it's a double edged sword and you can't have your cake and eat it
But you don’t...

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/...paid-uk-499687
Quote:
The portion of the money that funds the Royal Family that comes from the taxpayer is called the Sovereign Grant.

This money is taken from the profits made by the Crown Estate, which is the Royal Family’s independently managed commercial property arm.

The profits go to the treasury to help with the administration of the country, and 15 per cent of those profits is given by the government as the Sovereign Grant to help fund the activities of the Royal Family.

This includes the upkeep of the palaces, as well as the official duties of the members.

The core grant, based on this 15 per cent figure, was £49.3m for the year 2019-18, up £3.6m on the previous year.

And from 2017-18, the Sovereign Grant was increased to 25 per cent in order to help cover the £368m costs of updating Buckingham Palace.

This means that the total amount for the 2018-19 year, taking into account the £32.9m increase, stood at £82.2m.

At the end of the year, any unused money in the Sovereign Grant is moved into a reserve fund, which is also used to help pay for the palace upkeep.

The royal accounts state that the Queen’s expenses for 2018-19 were £67m, so this year, £15.2m is being put into the reserve.

In the same year, the Crown Estate provided £343.5m to the Treasury, which was an increase of 4.3 per cent on the year before.

This means the 2020-21 grant is expected to be set at £85.9m.
tl:dr - the money to pay for the Royal Family (£82 million) comes out of the Crown Estate (£343 million), with the balance going to the Treasury.

(Even if we did pay for the Sovereign Grant, it is the equivalent of two pence per person per week).

nb- I’m not a Royalist

TheDaddy 22-01-2020 20:19
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023372)
But you don’t...

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/...paid-uk-499687

tl:dr - the money to pay for the Royal Family (£82 million) comes out of the Crown Estate (£343 million), with the balance going to the Treasury.

(Even if we did pay for the Sovereign Grant, it is the equivalent of two pence per person per week).

nb- I’m not a Royalist
You sure you're not a fan seeing as you're not using the full cost to arrive at that figure, when you take everything into account they cost this country 350 million every year in cold hard cash and that figure will only be going one way and it isn't down

peanut 22-01-2020 20:29
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I couldn't give a whatever if they cost 1p or not. Not about cost. Just filling up crap in the news that's totally pointless like as if someone actually gave a toss.

Chris 22-01-2020 20:46
Re: Harry and Meghan to step back as senior royals
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36023416)
I couldn't give a whatever if they cost 1p or not. Not about cost. Just filling up crap in the news that's totally pointless like as if someone actually gave a toss.
Believe it or not a lot of people do give a toss. The print media has to sell papers to survive. It doesn’t do this by printing reams of stuff nobody is interested in.

peanut 22-01-2020 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36023421)
Believe it or not a lot of people do give a toss. The print media has to sell papers to survive. It doesn’t do this by printing reams of stuff nobody is interested in.
Yeah true. Look how many people watch Love Island... What is this country coming to...


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