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OK folks, we’re on the final straight. This time next week we should be waking up to an almost complete result and we will probably know who has won.

In the meantime, discussion and polling continues in this shiny new thread.

Number Five is alive!

(Week 4 thread for reference: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...9#post36019349 )

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So that's it. Postal vote duly completed and posted back to the council. Knowing how swamped with postal votes they are I thought I'd get it back ASAP so they can get it verified and processed. I think we're going to have a descent turn out this time, and the weather forecast for next Thursday doesn't look too bad in this part of the world.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/davidschn...71785219395584

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As the weeks roll by, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the 'political' side of Twitter consists of tweets from unemployed farm workers that miss driving their muck spreaders :D

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard
Well said sir !

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Great video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK-TDfempwY

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Getting ridiculously tedious. When are people going to get it into their thick skulls that "deal" is basically(apart from whatever form the backstop takes) the same as "no deal", but instead it just happens at the end of next year. Any of these claimed negative impacts will still happen. So trying to claim the moral high ground by supposedly claiming to fight for a "deal" is a complete and utter load of tosh. The fervour for "deal" is simply a fraudulent backdoor attempt at Remain.

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Oops....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9236151.html

Bozza trying to mislead people over Brexit? Who'd have thunk it? he's such an honest guy... :rolleyes:

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On the contrary, he’s a liar, a chancer, a philanderer, and seems to be instinctively contemptuous of those whose background or experiences are much different than his.

On the other hand, the only other person who could conceivably be prime minister this time next week is a clear national security risk, propped up by ideological thugs, and he poses a serious socioeconomic risk with his desire to re-run statist experiments that were tried, and failed, a generation ago.

That’s the calculation everyone has to make this week. “Who’s a nice man?” Doesn’t come into it. “Who’s a liar?” doesn’t either, sadly. Which one of them is more or less likely to keep the country on an even keel and move our government forwards? That’s what everyone has to grapple with.

I’m voting conservative because so far as I can see it’s the only viable choice.

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Burger King have been trolling Johnson :D

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/...side-of-a-bus/

It's never a good idea for those in business to get involved in politics though as, whilst it might amuse some, it could alienate other customers.

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You don't seem that enthusiastic about it ! The only reason he's PM is because of Brexit, which he doesn't actually believe in at all. Took ages to decide which side he was going to be on; what was best for his political career being the deciding factor. I have a feeling even if he does win, the Tories are those that are going to be most disappointed with him. He'll be hounded out within a year when he's still failed to sort Brexit out, and the country disintegrates into a second rate Poland.

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You mean the EU will give us 9bn euros a year.:D Yep, that's how much they get.

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There are going to be an awful lot of disappointed people when reality hits. A guaranteed socialist govt for 20 years will be the fall out; no wonder Corbyn is keen on Brexit. Think on...

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Corbyn likes the EU in that it can tell a Conservative government what it can and can't do, on the other hand he hates it because they can also tell a Labour government what they can and can't do.

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Reddit have said the NHS documents which were leaked to the platform are suspected to be from a targeted Russian campaign: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecur...sia_on_reddit/

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What a rousing acclamation for a leader of a Party and Prime Minister - "didn’t bumble too much".

Can you imagine the conversation?

"How was the operation? "

"Oh, it was OK - the surgeon didn’t bumble too much".

What has become of our country and our political parties when this is seen as normal?

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Off-topic post removed, the thread is about the election and not about previous team instructions.

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You said he "didn’t bumble too much", not me, so any "discrediting" is on you...

btw, look up "analogy"... ;)

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'Get Brexit Done' - I wonder how many really believe that a vote in parliament actually does that? Or that we'll still be paying in and following EU rules, with no voting rights, for perhaps many years. That on top of the lies about new hospitals, nurses and police, plus tax cuts, which we can't possibly afford. We'll lose N Ireland and Scotland, RIP UK, and welcome to Little backward England.

Even if the Tories win this election, Johnson's lies could end up destroying them as a party and the UK as a country, the public will be unforgiving.

Try doing some long term 'thinking' is my advice, and not fall for the bumbling, not so loveable clown act and his simplistic 'get Brexit done' cobblers....

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Corbyn's hand in everyone's pocket,ruined economy, failed nationalisation projects, constant strikes,£10,000,000 for a loaf of bread,pensioners committing suicide to escape poverty.

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The problem with your advice, is that it is flawed. It’s tinged with typical negative Brexit mantra. Anti-Tory rhetoric.

As usual. But no mention of the dire fantasies of the Labour Party, who are now, as the news was Breaking last night, they’re now embroiled in sharing Russian Fake News, a disinformation campaign directly emanating from Russia, regarding the NHS is for sale bollocks. It should ring alarm bells that Corbyn is willing to do Russia’s bidding.

Labour would be a disaster for the UK. Socialism does not work, tried and tested and that is what really needs to be thought about!

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To be fair, I don't think anybody is saying that the leaked discussion document is false, just that the meaning of it's content is being wilfully misrepresented by Labour, not by whoever leaked it. Just another in the long line of mere discussion documents that are wilfully misrepresented by Labour as being Government intentions.

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Man, you seem to be getting desperate with your posts - you must be worried.

By 'Get Brexit Done', you know very well that Boris means that he wants us out of Europe by this January. The trade deal negotiation comes next, which he reckons he can have dealt with in a year. To my mind, that is not an impossible task, particularly as we already meet the standards of the EU.

As for your doom and gloom scenario about the impact of Brexit, I don't buy it. As I've said before, trade with the EU will continue and in addition we will open up new markets elsewhere in the world, which means more, not less income. The stubborn sect of remainers will be deeply shocked when they realise that Brexit has happened and the world keeps on turning.

You might like to paint Boris in the worst possible light, but no matter what you say about him, what I could say about terrorist-lover and Britain-hater Corbyn is infinitely worse.

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Not sure even the EU are likely to support Johnsons deal as it stands. However, I suspect they do not want the electorate knowing that "Get Brexit Done" means anything up to 10 years before we see the back of it.

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The EU have already approved it, hence that it's a 'deal'.....

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The Withdrawal Agreement as amended by Boris is as good as agreed and will be rubber stamped by EU leaders at the next summit.

The trade deal will most definitely not take 10 years to get done - how do you make that out? Boris reckons he can do the deal within 12 months and I think that is perfectly do-able, just as he was able to get rid of the backstop in a matter of weeks.

It will, however, take a few years to get the other deals outside the EU signed off, and they will enhance the opportunities available to us. This, the free ports, our escape from the suffocating EU which charges countries high tariff rates, and the 'no tariff' policy that the government will introduce are just some of the advantages that we will be able to secure in future years.

The trade deals we strike will be much more relevant to this country's needs (rather than diluted to the lowest common denominator of all 28 countries of the EU) and we will be able to shake free of the debilitating and disincentivising employment legislation of the EU.

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Juncker is old news now, Seph. It won't take anywhere near as long for us to get a trade deal with the EU since we are already aligned with them.

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This is it.

He’s not great, but most importantly h3’s not Corbyn. Johnson won’t be there for ever, but at least him winning may see the end of Corbyn as leader and hopefully an internal revolution within Labour to produce a party that is something electable.

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That's right. And although many of us have reservations over Boris, he may yet surprise.

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You're right most of the public don't realise that Brexit won't be sorted by this Election and a vote in Parliament. It won't be 'oven ready' as Mr Blobby claims. He assumes the public are fools and he may be right. However the 'Get Brexit done' lie will come back to haunt the Tories big time when they realise they've been had and we're still effectively tied to the EU for years.

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So Corbyns and Johnsons main attractions are at least they aren't each other, and they won't be there forever :D
God help us....

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Brexit will happen in January 2020, Mr K, provided that Boris gets a working majority.

The trade deal is another matter, but if any of our friends in the EU think they can snatch our fish, they've got another think coming.

Boris is made of sterner stuff than entering into a deal that does not benefit us. And those fish are ours once outside the EU.

Canada didn't have to give away its fishing rights to secure its deal with the EU, so why should we? Out means out. Brexit means Brexit. Free movement, Common Agricultural Policy and all that other rubbish will be a thing of the past for us, and about time, too.

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Brexit won't happen in January OB; we will still be paying into the EU, following EU rules, with no say. Is that Brexit? You just proved my point about the public's lack of understanding.. it'll go on for years as No deal is an empty bluff, for any politician that wants to stay in power, as Mr Blobby certainly will....

As for him being made of stern stuff; he's certainly full of something but it's not that.. :D

( P.s. love the 'Brexit means Brexit' line, made me laugh a lot !)

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Labour rank top of the world's top 10.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...hreat-to-jews/

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I think everyone knows by now that the withdrawal agreement keeps us following EU rules, etc, but we will be out of the EU, so we will have 'Brexited'. Most people wanted this transitional arrangement to smooth the way to our new relationship with the EU.

I do not think, for one moment, that the trade deal will take years to agree. The EU has a lot to lose without one, don't forget.

I seem to recall that you didn't expect Theresa May to get anywhere with a withdrawal agreement, and nor did you expect Boris to get rid of the backstop. Why do you think you are right this time?

Parliament has been our biggest problem in getting stuff through, not the EU. That little problem should be sorted once the election is out of the way.

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Errm, TM didn't get anywhere with her withdrawal agreement..... As for the backstop, ask the DUP what they think to the current proposal. - they've been sold down the river to save political careers and face in Little England. Let's hope Bozza doesn't need them in s hung parliament... He's going to be leading a very disunited kingdom..

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Think even the EU are getting twitchy over Johnson's deal, as it is not in the spirit of the GFA.

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Actually, you are wrong again. Theresa May did get the EU's agreement to her deal and Juncker said these negotiations were at an end. It was the dead hand of Parliament that wouldn't let it through.

Then Boris came along and against all the naysayers, negotiated away the backstop. Again, it was Parliament that resisted, but then having got a vote through for the Second Reading, then failed to agree the timetable.

While the DUP may not be prepared to give the ok to Boris's deal, it will still get through a Conservative majority Parliament. Unless something goes badly wrong between now and Thursday, he should at least get a working majority this time.

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Juncker and Barnier were happy with it, so it should be rubber stamped at the summit. I've not read anything from any reliable sources to suggest it won't be.

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The only consolation about next week if it goes the way the polls are suggesting, is that the lies will quickly be exposed from Friday onwards. Those in working class communities that vote for the Tories will feel the worst effects, just a shame for those that don't. When Brexit doesn't deliver all the promised goodies, but quite the opposite, there's only one party that will take the blame. 5 years of the Tories to have them out if power for a generation might just be worth it. Just hope we still have a united country that is possible to save by then..
Happy Christmas everyone :)

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To quote Greg Lake ...

Hallelujah, Noel, be it Heaven or Hell,
the Christmas we get, we deserve. ;)

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What is utterly laughable about everything you've posted so far in these threads is that you think Labour has all the answers. Clue they certainly do not!

What an utter joke that is not even remotely funny.

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As you know Mick I've never voted Labour ( unlike OB! ;)), Given the muppets on offer a hung parliament would be the best result. 5 years of the Tories with carte blanche will be a disaster for the country and perhaps the end of the UK.

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But you're still suggesting if Labour wins, everything will be fine...

Just seen a video of Boris Johnson campaigning in a Jewish community in North London, several people, in a big crowd, are seen and heard asking to be saved from "that man", meaning Corbyn, yet 10 people on this forum want a Racist Anti-Semitic fool, IRA loving terrorist sympathiser running the show...

Makes absolutely no sense to me why 10 people on here want Labour to run this country and "that man, Corbyn" who would definitely ruin it with his Socialist Marxist agenda.

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What lies? You really do have a vivid imagination, Mr K.

Brexit will be done. It's what the majority of the electorate voted for and the Conservatives will have delivered it. They are already getting the credit for ensuring that the will of the electorate is honoured.

I think it is you who will be disillusioned. This period of Conservative government will be appreciated as finally shaking off austerity, and hopefully making clear that another socialist government would not be worth the risk in the eyes of the majority.

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Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (+2)
LAB: 32% (-1)
LDEM: 14% (+1)
GRN: 4% (-1)
BREX: 4% (-)

via
@BMGResearch
, 04 - 06 Dec
Chgs. w/ 29 Nov

Quick, Jezza, promise a new swimming pool for every house...

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...y_to_clipboard

The shape of things to come....

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Just sounds like an uncontroversial structured database of medical conditions.


What's the problem? Just provides another platform for getting medical advice.


NHS website Health conditions

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They aren't in it for charity.

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And as the article stipulates, not after Patient Data.

It's a non story being peddled a by a pathetic, Corbynista left wing rag.

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The Sunday Times?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...data-bbzp52n5m

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It's called providing a service. They're just buying access to copyrighted material to use in a different form. Ie If somebody seeks medical advice using an Alexa device, that advice has come from the NHS. Better to have come from there than who knows where. The general public can access the same database via the link I gave. I should imagine these sort of voice activated devices have various external databases to call upon, eg weather.

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As your quote says, ", excluding patient data.".:rolleyes:
Has any other company asked for the same info and been refused?

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Oops!

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No, the guardian like I said originally! :mad:

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And another one:

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (+3)
LAB: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 11% (-)
BREX: 4% (+1)
GRN: 2% (-2)

via Survation, 05 - 07 Dec
Chgs. w/ 30 Nov

What happened to that Labour surge? :scratch:

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The Guardian article was based on the Times information - from Mr K’s link.

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The good thing for the Tories is Labour won't learn. They won't think it was their inability to reach out beyond their base but that the BBC/Tabloid Press/establishment cost them the win despite their unquestionable goodness and continue down the same path.

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It may be inconvenient for some. But to its credit, it looks like the Murdoch-owned The Sunday Times was first off the mark here.

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The election was Labour's to lose. Thanks to no-win Corbyn it is likely they will lose it. Will Corbyn lose his leadership role? I can only seeing this happening if he does so of his own volition.

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Article from a Tech site (in October).

https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/24/al...y-health-data/

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I still can't get my head around the fact that there are 31% who would vote for Labour!
link

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Some people will vote for a monkey so long as it's in a red rosette, so the saying goes. As it happens I think a troop of chimpanzees would be less likely to run the country into the ground than Comrade Corbyn.

That said, by this time in 2017 the polls were tightening alarmingly, and that is not happening this time. The closet lefties at the BBC were very quick to declare the Tories' campaign had stalled last weekend when a couple of polls came in suggesting the gap was narrowing, but they have had to row back on that this weekend as polling for the Sunday papers and then again this morning shows the Tories' lead is stubbornly around the 10-point mark. Electoral Calculus reckons this to be worth a 40-plus majority. YouGov will issue its own seat projection later in the week, and then we will have the joys of Prof. Curtice and his massive exit poll on Thursday night.

I absolutely love John Curtice, and not just because Scottish Nationalists hate him (apparently his correct predictions about the outcome of the 2014 referendum were biased in some way, and they've never forgiven him). There are few things more entertaining than watching a Nat blow a gasket. But I digress.

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I understand that the Scottish Conservative vote appears to be holding up well, so with luck Nicola Sturgeon will get a black eye come Thursday.

It'll be interesting to see how many former Labour strongholds move to the Conservatives on Thursday. I expect to see a fair few surprises here.

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The most recent poll in Scotland:

Scottish Westminster voting intention:

SNP: 39% (-1)
CON: 29% (+1)
LAB: 21% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (-1)

via Panelbase, 03 - 06 Dec
Chgs. w/ 22 Nov

A month ago, most people expected the SNP to retake almost every seat in Scotland (where they were after 2015), but on these figures nothing much will change at all. They may take one off the Tories and one off Labour. With one final push it is possible the Tories could even increase their vote. I am hearing anecdotally that many SNP candidates aren't even mentioning Scottish independence on their local leaflets, despite Sturgeon trying to turn this election into a referendum on a referendum.

The Tories, however, are being absolutely explicit about it. I have had three Tory leaflets in the last week to 10 days, all of them warning that voters should vote Tory to stop the SNP and so-called "Indyref 2". The one I got this morning has more photos of Nicola Sturgeon on it than of the actual Tory candidate.

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Pork pies with integrity unlike those emanating from those who want to run the country.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/12/2.jpg

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Pretenders!

This is the pork pie with integrity!

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At £3.50 a throw, those are pork pies for the few, not the many ...

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Pretty bad story developing for the BBC. BBC (and some others including ITV) reporters tweeted that a Labour activist punched a Conservative staffer outside a hospital. They were apparently told this by Senior Tory sources.

However it turned out there was a video of the incident showing a Tory staffer walking into someone's arm: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/09/labou...iser-11583590/

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1204100056762265600


The question is why did the BBC and ITV reporters just happily report this as if it were fact?

The Tories, for their part, seem to have planted the lie to deflect from this video: https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-09/...ospital-floor/

But that political parties will lie is almost a given - reporters taking them for their word them isn't.

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Wales, Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 40% (+2)
CON: 37% (+5)
PC: 10% (-1)
LDEM: 6% (-3)
BREX: 5% (-3)
GRN: 1% (-)

via YouGov, 06 - 09 Dec
Chgs. w/ 25 Nov

Source: https://t.co/vWAkZbIcOF

Labour has almost succeeded in turning Wales Tory. :rofl:

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More to the point who in the Tory party planted the lies? The least the inept reporters can do is name and shame the sources (bet one of their initials is DC...).

All to try and deflect from pictures of a kid getting treatment for pneumonia on a hospital floor, and Boris not wanting to know about it. A sick party and anyone that votes for them isn't much better.

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You mean the staged picture of what appears to be a kid on the floor, I know plenty of nurses have come out attacking this picture saying no nurse would ever put a kid on the floor under any circumstances.

Also, the last part of your post - You have got no right to say that so you better retract that statement Mr K or it will be your last contribution to this thread, sick of your attitude on here. :mad:

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Is there any evidence to suggest the photo was staged? It was his mother who posted it and wasn't happy with the wide circulation of the photo.

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Well for a start it looks like the kid is actually in a bay, bed to the right of him, cupboard to the left. Since when did patients share bays?

Also, why did she give it to the Anti-Tory Daily Mirror?

No decent parent has a supposedly sick child, put on the floor, a decent parent would hold them on their lap, the photo looks staged, pure and simple for pure Labour bullshit propaganda.

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1) The Labour supporters were there to cause trouble.

2) Technically he WAS hit in the face by a Labour supporter, just that it seems to be accidental. Not necessarily a lie, just a lack of full communication to others of the actual events. If events are always that obvious in real time, why do football and other sports need to rely on things like VAR?

3) The incident happened because of the harassment by Labour supporters.



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The nurses didn't.

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It's called 'weaponising the NHS', I believe.

Let us not forget that sick patients were drinking water out of vases under Labour, and rather than address it, Labour tried to bury bad news.

Labour is not the panacea they claim to be where the NHS is concerned.

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One only has to look at the dire NHS issues in Wales, today, which is run by Labour.

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I can see the grounds for suspicion but I don't think Twitter accounts are evidence of much.

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This reminds me of when jezza was photographed sitting on the floor of a train that was supposed to be standing room only,and turned out to be an almost empty train and nothing but a stunt.

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Neither is a series of photographs that can be concocted to appear as bad than they actually are.

Testimonials of professional NHS Staff should be.

Here is another....

https://twitter.com/peter25674/statu...54883810758658

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How likely is it that nurses would allow somebody to lie on the floor?:rolleyes:
His mother put him there, and then just happened to take a photo and sent it to the press.

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The Chief Medical Officer at the LGI must be mistaken, then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-50713236

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So his mother must have put him on the floor if a seat was provided.

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Regardless, as unfortunate the situation, using it for a stunt, is just using it for a stunt.

There are bad stories and photos to be has for any PM or wannabe PM.

How many photos of dead Iraqi children could we have shown Blair?

We could shove photos of children in abject poverty in the face of any of the last 6 or more PM’s

It smacks of desperation. God I Hope Labour lose, and lose big.

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Hard to lay down and sleep on a chair...

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357

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Exactly, then took a photo and then went straight to the Mirror with it, for Labour Propaganda.

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Then simple, you put them on your lap, it's not hard Hugh! :dozey:

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He WAS put in a bed, but somebody who had an actual need was put in it instead.
It was the mother who put him on the floor.
Link

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That would suggest he was triaged. Found not to be at risk and moved. Where he was, was needed for someone more in need so he was moved.

This just smacks of the usual bollocks come election time.

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It's worth pointing out the hospital isn't confirming or even suggesting it's fake, instead they've apologized and seem to have accepted it's happened.

There is a load of Facebook and Twitter accounts - none of whom seem to be verified NHS staff - flooding those respective networks with the suggestions it's fake. Many of whom claim to have 'friends' working in the hospital who are making these accusations.

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Indeed, there is a lot of social media chatter about it.

https://trending-uk.com/hashtag/leedshospital

And the activists organising a rabble

https://order-order.com/2019/12/09/h...ospital-visit/

It seems to me, that the boy was taken to A&E, he was seen and triaged and found to be neither an accident or an emergency. Whether he was initially given a bed or not, who knows. Rather than being held by his mother he was laid on the floor, not ideal, but if he didn’t “need” a bed then he didn’t need one.

This has been seized upon by a Labour activist, all power to the, as it has worked. But I think you’ll find this story disappears quickly as it is found to be fake.

What was real, and very poor, was Johnson’s handling of it.

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Apparently there are a couple of hundred twitter/FB users who have a good friend who is a nursing sister at the LGI, and all used exactly the same words when they posted...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...009262592.html

btw, another reason for doubting the validity of the "good friend who's a nursing sister at Leeds Hospital" is that no one in Leeds calls it "Leeds Hospital" - it's the LGI (or Jimmy's for the other main hospital, St James).

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Having seen the footage, it looks like Boris froze because he realised he was being pulled into a trap. He wanted to explain what he was doing about the NHS before looking at the photograph. I think most people will see through this for what it was - a political stunt, and shame on the mother for using her son in this way.

A nurse appeared on Radio 5 Live this morning to report that through her contacts with other nurses at the hospital, the staff were furious about this and said they would never place the child on the floor- that is not how they were trained. The child was not on a bed, in line with the claim made, but was on a trolley. The mother took him off the trolley, laid him on a pile of coats on the floor and took a photo, then put it out there.

How cynical can you get? Judging by the calls to the radio station that I heard (I had to turn off after 5 minutes), the public have sussed this out for what it is. Clearly, the Labour Party is getting desperate now.

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So the photo on the front of The Mirror yesterday was pretty bad press for the government so it looks like the right thing was done by sending Matt Hancock there to look into it. If, as people are saying this was a hoax and would never have happened and staff were furious about it, I would have imagined he would have found that out and be alerting the world to how low people would sink to make a political point. We have heard nothing...

So, what are the possibilities?;

• The photo was real and a shocking indictment of the state of the NHS
• Matt Hancock didn't get to the bottom of what happened and failed in his job
• This situation somehow benefits the Conservative cause

I wouldn't rely on a large number of people who have a good friend who is a senior nursing sister and Leeds Hospital to refute the claim

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Woops it's an own goal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...-stand-corbyn/

A LABOUR bigwig has been caught out saying voters “can’t stand” Jeremy Corbyn and revealing his fears for national security under him in a bombshell leaked tape.

Shadow Health Secretary Jon Ashworth admitted Labour’s chances of winning seats in the North were “abysmal” and that he “can’t see” Mr Corbyn getting to No10.

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You can see him trying to squirm out of it in a live TV interview this morning:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50726592

And during the BBC’s Daily Politics this lunchtime, which played back the recording to him live on air:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/a...politics-live/

Ashworth is smug even for a Labour MP. This really couldn’t have happened to a nicer person.