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Metropolitan Police say they are dealing with a major armed incident on London Bridge.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-50601491

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Yet again various foreign online news sources are showing Tower Bridge instead of London Bridge.

Too many confusing reports thus far.

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Its definitely on London Bridge from all the sources l have seen so far.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-50601491

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nt-police-city

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Two of the victims have died.

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I think we can be pretty sure which religion the malefactor adheres to. :rolleyes:

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Can we? Why not just wait for the facts, why do we have to guess? It serves no purpose in reality.

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Looks like 2no. Fatalities (not including the protagonist) unfortunately. Seems to have been some heroics by joe public.

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So convicted Islamic terrorist let out by the do gooders. :rolleyes:

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Yes because this society does actually try to live by rule of law.

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The law needs to be changed. People like this who pose an extreme risk to the public should never be released, and they should not be allowed to mix with prisoners who have not been radicalised.

For too long, we have been reducing sentences, and look where it has got us.

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But it makes them feel good and gives them that air of superiority.
Any how the police have put an end to his wrong doing.

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Actually it was members of the public that disarmed and restrained him.

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It was the police that shot and killed him,the public were very brave to tackle him but these idiots should always be shot dead to keep the rest of society safe.

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But it was the public that "put an end to his wrongdoing" and prevented further casualties. The police action was probably concerned with the fake suicide vest and that it might be real.

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The police action was absolutely due to the apparent suicide vest, which if real could easily be triggered by its wearer even when lying on the ground with someone on top of him.

The public did not manifestly disarm him, or put an end to his wrongdoing, despite bringing him to the ground and relieving him of his knife. The attacker intended to present himself as a lethal threat to anyone nearby, by wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest. That being the case, the police could only end his wrongdoing with any confidence by shooting him dead. This is what they are trained to do.

It's important that this is seen for what it was, a split second decision taken to prevent greater loss of life, and not police taking vengeance or carrying out a death sentence on someone.

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This is a headline I never expected to see
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ridge-attacker

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Did you honestly, in all seriousness expect him to be linked to any other religion?

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Well...

They are all twisted idiots, but to take the approach that it is always going to be an Islamist twisted idiot is to not be congruent with the actuality (about a 1/3rd of terrorist plots disrupted by the UK Security Services are extreme right-wing).

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But...we were not wrong. And given the early details of these events (and especially this one) if I was a betting man I probably wouldn’t be out of pocket if we’d gone on gut instinct.

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He had another knife taped to his hand....

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I think we should back the cop(s) who shot the terrorist dead when they saw his bomb vest.


OK, it was fake, but they didn't know that and if it had been real god knows the death toll.

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The guys an idiot.

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Everyone released, both loyalist and nationalist, under the Good Friday Agreement would still have had to serve full sentences if that was the case.

Likely a deal breaker given the number, on both sides, in the Maze.

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I'm not sure the bereaved, or their families, care for the distinction to be honest.

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“Typically” is rather disrespectful to be honest. Nor have I actually missed the point. Far more people have died on these islands on both sides of the Irish divide than at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists.

I’m not sure why a white terrorist is any more worthy of release than a brown one. Rehabilitation is rehabilitation.

NOTE: I’m not claiming in any way shape or form the attacker the other day was rehabilitated or shouldn’t have been shot given the circumstances. Before anyone twists my words.

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Doesn't matter what I think, it's a totally pointless and baseless comment at the time.

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If you were a betting man why would you even bet on such a thing? Just wait till the details are released, then talk about it. Not sure why we have to play a guessing game nor am I sure of what it actually achieves.

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Well...yes it does when you specifically are telling/suggesting people that they shouldn’t yet give an opinion on what has happened.

Well as we’re speaking hypothetically is there really an answer to that?

You don’t get to decide when we talk about which subject. I guess we won’t talk about who we think has won the Election until the result comes out then? Football fans shouldn’t discuss who they think will win the match until the final whistle? These events have become so prevalent that we can pretty much get it right each time. If we’re wrong then by all means admit it however given the circumstances each time that doesn’t seem to happen much.

Just accept that when people speculate about these events, they’re usually (always?) right.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9228886.html

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It is very sad what happened to his son and I think Jacks dad has the nation’s sympathies. However, the issue of prisoners rehabilitation is clear a massive issue. The system is a failure and clearly doesn’t work as well as it should, as this Terrorist Murderer on Fri was released early on license. I believe this terrorist *******, tried to deceive Authorities by requesting in 2012, in a letter that he wanted to join a de-radicalised course.

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I think the point is that people should keep an open mind until at least a decent degree of evidence is available for discussion. rather than making assumptions.

The usage of such statements as 'I think we can be pretty sure which religion the malefactor adheres to. ' if/when used in wider society leads to intolerance

The misuse and *******ization of the religion is the issue, not the religion itself.


People should never accept, they should always query and question. it's one of the greatest abilities the human race has.

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Quite, the justice system in it's current state is not fit for purpose. it neither punishes, nor rehabilitates.

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You can have any opinion you want, I just think it's silly to come out with what was said when the full facts weren't released. It's not long it takes weeks anyway, we knew the next morning who it was.

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Exactly my thoughts.

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...but as usual, we were right.

If in these horrific attacks there was a roughly equal mix of causes and motivations you’d probably have a point, but as you well know that is not the case.

It’s like when you see the headline “grooming gang in court”, you wouldn’t expect those in the dock to be named “Jones”, “Williams”, “Smith” etc (not saying it doesn’t happen but the law of averages would strongly suggest the contrary).

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Being right or wrong isn't really the point though.

But I wouldn't come on a forum and say, ohhh they must be a Muslim grooming gang, I'd simply wait for the evidence or facts. Simply trying to guess even if you are 90% sure seems a bit silly.

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There's an element of truth in that, BUT in the same breath you would look very stupid if you claimed or insinuated that those in the dock had Muslim or eastern European surnames for example only for it to be revealed that they were in fact called 'Jones', 'Williams' or 'Smith' without some degree of prior knowledge.

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The above 2 posts mention Muslims, I however did not. Some presuming going on there? Perhaps wait for the facts....

I never refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.

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I at no point said you were, and i clearly said as an example.

Aah Asian, an even further generalization, well, that's OK then

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Yep, nothing wrong with it. If certain crimes are being carried out in the vast majority of cases by a certain demographic there is nothing wrong in pointing that out. It doesn’t apply to everyone in that demographic (and before I get the usual accusations of “racism”, my son is half Indian) of course but acknowledging that majority, again nothing wrong with it.

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No, I just knew what you were talking about. If you're going to start playing games, I'm out.

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We had 3 cats, a white one, a black one and a ginger one.

All 3 cats were treated equally, and were quite happy to live together as long as the were fed, watered, and given some love and attention.

Sadly the ginger one was hit and killed by a car.

We didn't suspect the driver of being in any way racist towards the ginger one.

Stupid as it seems, some people in the world may well have found an argument to do so . .

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No, you made an incorrect assumption whilst telling me not to assume.

There’s a whole thread on this forum about Asian grooming gangs. Feel free to have a look, in none of my posts do I refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.

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Well there is if you haven't got mathematical evidence to back up your point.

Lets see the crimes per % of total religion/race and then stack them up against offenses or acts of terror by whites/christian.

If you include Stalin and Hitler and furthermore if you want to go back to the Crusades. You'll find that the vast majority of serious crimes were caused by people of white or christian background.

Having a half indian (other races are available) member of your family doesn't stop preclude people from having racist tendencies

My brother in law and his father are both unfortunately racist. The irony being that my brother in law was rescued from Sierra Leonne as a small child...

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Because I knew exactly what you were getting at, it wasn't really an assumption.like I said, if you're going down this route, I'm out.

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I wasn’t getting at anyone’s religion, you’ve incorrectly assumed that I was.

Own it, learn from it, move on from it.

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I'm talking generally, no need for your condescension it doesn't suit

But if you want to call out those regions of the globe, let's see you do or present the maths to back it up.

Otherwise it's nothing more than speculation and conjecture.

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You’re bringing religion in to it again. Shall you agree to not do that again?

Here’s a simple test: go to google and search “grooming gangs in court”. Come back and tell me how many hits DON’T involve men with Asian (not Muslim remember!!) names.

If you want to accuse me of racism you’ll need something a little stronger than that.

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Never said it was anything other than speculation. But please, you too try the Google search I mention above. Post your findings back here?

And if you don’t want me to be condescending, don’t attribute words to me that I neither said or meant.

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Please point out where i specifically accused you of racism?

I'll go and lookup grooming gangs in court once you've looked up my previous post.

Until then, you remain speaking from a position of ignorance.

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I said “If you want to”. Not “You have”.

Your turn.

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Where did I specifically accuse you of racism?

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We had 3 cats, a white one, a black one and a ginger one.

The Ginger cat was treated differently to the other 2, it was pushed away because people said it was different, said it didn’t belong in our house or got on with the other cats, and if any damage was done that we knew was caused by a cat, we automatically blamed the ginger cat.

Sadly the ginger cat became unfriendly and scratched people, so it proved we were right about ginger cats...

Stupid as it seems, some people in the world may well have blamed the way we treated the cat as somehow contributing to it’s behaviours...

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(Sigh)

I didn’t say that you did. I said what to do IF you were going to. As in, “not actually happened”.

In case you were. Make sense now?

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(sigh) your statement implied that i had.

Let's not get into an argument on semantics or we will be hear until god knows when ;)

If you choose to believe that it's acceptable to judge situations on past occurrences without at least some knowledge of the present situation. then that's your choice. personally I think it's wrong.

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Perfectly,

if people want to make assumptions that a certain race or religions then it has to be all crimes committed by all races or religions over the entire recorded history.

That's the only way to get a true result. Anything else is just a skewed data set.

Which of course will suit some in society.....

'We are talking about todays’ phenomena of a particular kind.' which people then seek to generalize against certain races or religions. a perfect example of skewing the data to fit the requirements :)

Or, take one offence and then calculate all instances of that offence by either race or religion and then express it as a percentage of the overall amount of that race or religsion

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Ok but I can’t be held responsible for you misreading what I have clearly said. After all, the words are right there.

You think it’s wrong? Cool, I think it’s ok.

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I would hope that the majority of decent society the world over doesn't

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When generally the same circumstances occur over and over again, I’d call it basic human nature.

Hell, if I make an assumption about this sort of thing I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong, no worries there.

When that idiot from Cardiff drove his van in to a load of Muslim a few years back I did initially assume it was a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist attack. But when it came out that those attacked were Muslim I was the first to admit I was wrong.

That was pretty much the only time I was wrong in this sort of instance though.

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Not always a given.
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Very much a rarity.

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That's not Islamophopbia, that's plain old sectarianism, of the sort Muslims like to pretend doesn't exist in their religion.

Im so sorry 2 people had to lose thier lives trying to stop this :(

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